From: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org (sycophant-digest) To: sycophant-digest@smoe.org Subject: sycophant-digest V3 #105 Reply-To: sycophant@smoe.org Sender: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sycophant-digest Tuesday, October 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 105 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sycophant Hello ! [vigfus@skipulag.is] Re: sycophant Hello ! [MAustin802@aol.com] sycophant LG review & other... [marc.tobolski@cableone.net] sycophant LG review & other... -Reply [Kimberly Hansen ] Re: sycophant Contributing songs to Titanic? [Matt J ] Re: sycophant Bookstore [Matt J ] Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! [Venmlegion@aol.com] Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! ["Rob Hermann, Wash U, History" Subject: sycophant LG review & other... -Reply Marc, I don't think that Michael was making absolute statements in his email. Please note, he did say "fairly unknown" and "some performers...". Why you chose to think this was some sort of a blanket statement is beyond me. Regardless, I have to agree that Lisa is "fairly" unknown in the States. I live in one of the largest cities in the country and when Lisa tours here she plays the smallest clubs. I will say that I think "people in the know" - know who Lisa Germano is. But face it, Lisa isn't a household name. And would we want her to be?????? Would you want her contributing songs to the Titanic soundtrack? This is part of what makes Lisa a treasure. I enjoy the fact that she's not playing large stadiums....or turning "Wood Floors" into an extended version dance track to appeal to the general populous. I consider myself lucky to see her fingers on the piano and stand next to her at the bar after the show - and let her bum a cigarette off me. Does that mean that I don't like musicians of world acclaimed fame? Hell no! I'll put my alt-rock attitude aside to wait in line for U2 tickets...I'll pay a ridiculous amount of money to tour Graceland, and I'll never throw my Ella albums away!!!!!! An artist can be a treasure for many reasons. Sometimes it's nice that a musician you happen to like isn't all that famous. Just look what the hell that Gap commercial did to swing. The people that were country line dancing just 5 years ago, are now perfecting their box step at the local community college....just waiting to jump, jive on the next bandwagon. Alas, some of us will just stand back and know that Ellington is as good as Cash or Germano and always will be. Those who have respect for musicians of all degrees of fame hold the key to the treasure chest. Kimberly >>> 10/13/98 07:57am >>> Fairly unknown? By what standards? Her work with Mellencamp gave her a lot of exposure, along with at least some cachet with Rolling Stone (for whatever that is worth). Her releases are reviewed by many music mag's here in the states, but she doesn't have a lot of commercial appeal. And that is also true of her releases outside the US. Look for a review (scathing & brief) on the Toronto Sun site: http://www.canoe.ca:80/JamAlbumsG/germano_slide.html A treasure? Is an artist no longer a treasure if they have mass appeal? Damn, those worthless Ellington & Gershwin records must go in the trash now... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-sycophant@smoe.org [mailto:owner-sycophant@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MAustin802@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 5:04 AM To: sycophant@smoe.org Subject: Re: sycophant Hello ! Lisa is still a fairly unknown performer in the States. that's not a bad thing. some performers are like treasures, not meant for the general populous. Try the Gemm site, which is basically a site that is a browser for many internet music sources, they also do most of the ordering for you. GEMM.com, you can find some very interesting things there. Michael - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:33:16 -0400 From: Tricia Holtz Subject: Re: sycophant LG review & other... -Reply Bravo!, Kimberly. I am in complete agreement with you. Those are the points that matters. Thank you. Kimberly Hansen wrote: > Marc, > > I don't think that Michael was making absolute statements in his email. Please note, he did say "fairly unknown" and "some performers...". > Why you chose to think this was some sort of a blanket statement is beyond me. > > Regardless, I have to agree that Lisa is "fairly" unknown in the States. I live in one of the largest cities in the country and when Lisa tours here she plays the smallest clubs. I will say that I think "people in the know" - know who Lisa Germano is. But face it, Lisa isn't a household name. And would we want her to be?????? Would you want her contributing songs to the Titanic soundtrack? > > This is part of what makes Lisa a treasure. I enjoy the fact that she's not playing large stadiums....or turning "Wood Floors" into an extended version dance track to appeal to the general populous. I consider myself lucky to see her fingers on the piano and stand next to her at the bar after the show - and let her bum a cigarette off me. > > Does that mean that I don't like musicians of world acclaimed fame? Hell no! I'll put my alt-rock attitude aside to wait in line for U2 tickets...I'll pay a ridiculous amount of money to tour Graceland, and I'll never throw my Ella albums away!!!!!! > > An artist can be a treasure for many reasons. Sometimes it's nice that a musician you happen to like isn't all that famous. Just look what the hell that Gap commercial did to swing. The people that were country line dancing just 5 years ago, are now perfecting their box step at the local community college....just waiting to jump, jive on the next bandwagon. Alas, some of us will just stand back and know that Ellington is as good as Cash or Germano and always will be. > > Those who have respect for musicians of all degrees of fame hold the key to the treasure chest. > > Kimberly > > >>> 10/13/98 07:57am >>> > Fairly unknown? By what standards? Her work with Mellencamp gave her a lot > of exposure, along with at least some cachet with Rolling Stone (for > whatever that is worth). Her releases are reviewed by many music mag's here > in the states, but she doesn't have a lot of commercial appeal. And that is > also true of her releases outside the US. > > Look for a review (scathing & brief) on the Toronto Sun site: > http://www.canoe.ca:80/JamAlbumsG/germano_slide.html > > A treasure? Is an artist no longer a treasure if they have mass appeal? > Damn, those worthless Ellington & Gershwin records must go in the trash > now... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sycophant@smoe.org [mailto:owner-sycophant@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of MAustin802@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 5:04 AM > To: sycophant@smoe.org > Subject: Re: sycophant Hello ! > > Lisa is still a fairly unknown performer in the States. that's not a bad > thing. some performers are like treasures, not meant for the general > populous. > > Try the Gemm site, which is basically a site that is a browser for many > internet music sources, they also do most of the ordering for you. > > GEMM.com, you can find some very interesting things there. > > Michael > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Talulah Gosh Subject: sycophant Contributing songs to Titanic? I have an idea (it may sound weird so watch out)--what LG would be in Titanic, in a twisted mocking way perhaps? Or any movie for that matter? I picture Misery--"...a psychopath" with no sound but the song and Kathy Bates breaking the author's legs (or even better, sawing them off as in the book). Maybe a little too obvious though. Join in, you know you want to. Emily MikeNelson: DO NOT SUPPORT JIM CARREY. IT MAKES IT WORSE FOR EVERYONE!!! I WOULD RATHER HAVE DAVID SPADE LIVING INSIDE MY KHAKIS THAN EVER, EVER LOOK AT JIM CARREY AGAIN!!!! BillCorbett: We can arrange that, Mike. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:49:18 -0400 From: Joe_Horne@matrixresources.com Subject: sycophant Lisa in the movies... There actually was a little snipet from "Psychopath" in a French film about a cat named GrisGris and the cat's owner and her gay roommate. I think it's called (in English) "When the cat's away".....It was a good movie. I was just excited to hear a little Lisa...Did anyone else see/hear that? Autumn is my favorite time of year (and I love listening to Lisa and watching the leaves fall from the trees in the woods by the Chatahocee river)..... - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:14:55 -0500 From: Kimberly Hansen Subject: sycophant Contributing songs to Titanic? -Reply I'm thinkin... I'm thinkin.... how 'bout a new song - "The Boat Sunk, Get Over It" ? As far as psychopath... I'm fairly new to the list (at least posting)..Long time fan...Let me display some ignorance and ask what is the real story behind "...a psychopath" ? Wasn't one of those things I wanted to ask Lisa during the bumming of the cigarette. All I know is people have very strong reactions about that song. I think it's more of a statement then a song... I have mixed feelings about it, because it is very emotional. Is it true that it is a real 911 recording in the song? Does anyone know the history behind the song? If this has been a topic on the list before... I apologize for bringing it back up. You can email me directly if you want. Kimberly >>> Talulah Gosh 10/13/98 11:35am >>> I have an idea (it may sound weird so watch out)--what LG would be in Titanic, in a twisted mocking way perhaps? Or any movie for that matter? I picture Misery--"...a psychopath" with no sound but the song and Kathy Bates breaking the author's legs (or even better, sawing them off as in the book). Maybe a little too obvious though. Join in, you know you want to. Emily MikeNelson: DO NOT SUPPORT JIM CARREY. IT MAKES IT WORSE FOR EVERYONE!!! I WOULD RATHER HAVE DAVID SPADE LIVING INSIDE MY KHAKIS THAN EVER, EVER LOOK AT JIM CARREY AGAIN!!!! BillCorbett: We can arrange that, Mike. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:37 EDT From: Venmlegion@aol.com Subject: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! I have to agree with you all the way. I won't bother to reiterate your words. I have been appreciating underground bands who only tour clubs for years. In fact I was a fan of a band called Metallica 15 years ago when they played clubs, and the crowds were smaller than Lisa's. Look what happened to them. I would never want that to happen to Lisa. We all know that a band does not have to be all over MTV, corporate radio, and playing football stadiums to be really appreciated, or to be a class act. I feel like we've had this discussion before? Oh and Kimberly, if Lisa had contributed to the ..eer..gag!...wretch!....ugh...Titanic soundtrack, I would have jumped of the Braga Bridge with my Happiness LP clutched under my arm and impaled myself on the mast of the USS Massachussettes!!! - -Brian - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:09:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Rob Hermann, Wash U, History" Subject: Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! We did have this discussion before; unfortunately it all centered around John Mellencamp. I for one am of two minds regarding the "do we want Lisa to get big and sell lots of albums" controversy. On the one hand, Metallica and Bruce Springsteen aside, the past 20 or so years of the history of pop music have demonstrated one inescapable fact: the inevitable tension between art and commerce. Artists are often faced with the choice of appealing to the majority (and thus selling lots of records) by making their music "accessible" and "radio-friendly". Now, call me crazy, but I think you'd have a hard time pitching Lisa's music as either one as (and here is the kicker) either term is defined in today's marketplace. Sure, popular female artists from Alanis to whoever that woman with the "Bitch" single have been talking shit about themselves and the bad, bad, boys they date for a while now, but Lisa's music and lyrics are far more complex than anything that brain damaged Canadian twit could ever hope to come up with. So Lisa just doesn't fit in. Do we want her to? As we all know, Lisa's assuredly not starving, or we probably would have heard about it, but I sometimes think a little more fame (and thus money) would be no bad thing for her, if only because I think it's deserved. I think that she's not in the game for those things, but whenever I do think about this, I think about the wave of Alanis clones (including the evil one herself) who probably don't have to work in bookstores to support themselves (which Lisa does). And it just makes me sad. Ever since _Moon Palace_, Lisa has given us a body of work of unique beauty and unremitting brilliance which makes every 'popular' artist I could compare her to pale by comparison and I think she ought to get more recognition because of it (hello to the morons at Rolling Stone?). And please, don't even get me started on Titanic. Robin Hermann Office: 935-7341 Department of History Home: 361-6634 Washington University email:rhermann@artsci.wustl.edu Web:www.artsci.wustl.edu/~rhermann - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History has to live with what was here, clutching and close to fumbling all we had-- it is so dull and gruesome how we die, unlike writing, life never finishes". - --Robert Lowell, "History" - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:33:46 -0500 From: Kimberly Hansen Subject: Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! -Reply Rolling Stone ? You mean the people that had Vanilla Ice gracing their cover at one time? Morons is delicate. Not to kick a dead horse... but you're right...Lisa does deserve more fame & $$. When you said that I was thinking about teachers...Paid shit, little respect, yet probably one of the most important professions in this country/or world. Then I saw your email address. And no, I'm not a teacher.. >>> "Rob Hermann, Wash U, History" 10/13/98 03:09pm >>> We did have this discussion before; unfortunately it all centered around John Mellencamp. I for one am of two minds regarding the "do we want Lisa to get big and sell lots of albums" controversy. On the one hand, Metallica and Bruce Springsteen aside, the past 20 or so years of the history of pop music have demonstrated one inescapable fact: the inevitable tension between art and commerce. Artists are often faced with the choice of appealing to the majority (and thus selling lots of records) by making their music "accessible" and "radio-friendly". Now, call me crazy, but I think you'd have a hard time pitching Lisa's music as either one as (and here is the kicker) either term is defined in today's marketplace. Sure, popular female artists from Alanis to whoever that woman with the "Bitch" single have been talking shit about themselves and the bad, bad, boys they date for a while now, but Lisa's music and lyrics are far more complex than anything that brain damaged Canadian twit could ever hope to come up with. So Lisa just doesn't fit in. Do we want her to? As we all know, Lisa's assuredly not starving, or we probably would have heard about it, but I sometimes think a little more fame (and thus money) would be no bad thing for her, if only because I think it's deserved. I think that she's not in the game for those things, but whenever I do think about this, I think about the wave of Alanis clones (including the evil one herself) who probably don't have to work in bookstores to support themselves (which Lisa does). And it just makes me sad. Ever since _Moon Palace_, Lisa has given us a body of work of unique beauty and unremitting brilliance which makes every 'popular' artist I could compare her to pale by comparison and I think she ought to get more recognition because of it (hello to the morons at Rolling Stone?). And please, don't even get me started on Titanic. Robin Hermann Office: 935-7341 Department of History Home: 361-6634 Washington University email:rhermann@artsci.wustl.edu Web:www.artsci.wustl.edu/~rhermann - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History has to live with what was here, clutching and close to fumbling all we had-- it is so dull and gruesome how we die, unlike writing, life never finishes". - --Robert Lowell, "History" - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:44:22 +0200 From: "Renaut Ryckaert" Subject: RE: sycophant Lisa in the movies... Hi, > There actually was a little snipet from "Psychopath" in a French film > about a cat named GrisGris and the cat's owner and her gay roommate. > I think it's called (in English) "When the cat's away".....It was a > good movie. I was just excited to hear a little Lisa...Did anyone > else see/hear that? Yes, I saw it. It's a very good movie called in French: "Chacun cherche son chat" (Everyone's looking for his cat). Unfortunately, the Lisa song is not on the movie track album. Renaut renaut.ryckaert@castel.cafe.edu - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:06:43 EDT From: MAustin802@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! -Reply In a message dated 10/13/98 3:37:32 PM Central Daylight Time, kimberly.hansen@wcom.com writes: > Rolling Stone ? You mean the people that had Vanilla Ice gracing their cover > at one time? Morons is delicate. > > Not to kick a dead horse... but you're right...Lisa does deserve more fame & > $$. When you said that I was thinking about teachers...Paid shit, little > respect, yet probably one of the most important professions in this country/ > or world. Then I saw your email address. > And no, I'm not a teacher.. It's always a fine line. when do artists decide to go after fame after a little recognition. most cases, you see them compromising in their music. again this is a generalization, but my example that springs to mind is Soul asylum. always been a fan of Dave pirners lyrics. the last couple of releases since their break through have been sad attempts to further the step into the spot lite. there are musicians who hold on to their musical vision. lenny Kravitz, REM, Screaming trees (mark Langagen) etc.(yes I know this is all a matter of opinion, so work with me on this, ok) I think Lisa has a really good situation going. a lot of critical responce, a decent fan base, to explore the music she see's fit to explore. she can collaberate with people she see's fit to. I certainly enjoyed the OP8 release (am still looking for Howe's hisser disc) I think she could go "commercial' if that's what she wanted. the time is definately here for talented female performers to grab the VH1 brass ring. a few more songs like "dresses' and boom a star is born. this is one music lover that really appreciates the road she is on now! Michael ps thanks to kimberly for the spot on replies. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:51 EDT From: KT072180@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! -Reply In a message dated 98-10-13 17:09:26 EDT, you write: << I think Lisa has a really good situation going. a lot of critical responce, a decent fan base, to explore the music she see's fit to explore. she can collaberate with people she see's fit to. I certainly enjoyed the OP8 release (am still looking for Howe's hisser disc) I think she could go "commercial' if that's what she wanted. the time is definately here for talented female performers to grab the VH1 brass ring. a few more songs like "dresses' and boom a star is born. >> But Lisa has already been down that road once before, and didn't like it. That's why she is signed to 4AD and not Capitol. xo katie - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:39:48 EDT From: PMJJDH@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: sycophant Lisa in the movies... Hi, I saw that "When the Cat's Away" movie too. I really liked it. Anyone who's ever spent ridiculous amounts of time looking for a cat, that happens to be practically under one's nose, could relate to this movie. And the Lisa track appearing during the climax of the heroine's absolute, going mental-like exasperation, is the perfect touch. I've often felt that there is something almost cinematic about Lisa's music - especially the instrumental parts. Bests to all. Pam - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Hello ! On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 MAustin802@aol.com wrote: > Lisa is still a fairly unknown performer in the States. that's not a bad > thing. some performers are like treasures, not meant for the general > populous. I agree, because I like to have my own little musical secrets, but at the same time I feel bad because she's really nice and she seems kinda bummed that she doesn't sell more records. --Matt J PS Everybody who sent me requests for the radio station mag with my Lisa article, I'll be mailing 'em out in the next week or two. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Contributing songs to Titanic? On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Talulah Gosh wrote: > I picture Misery--"...a psychopath" with no sound but the song and Kathy > Bates breaking the author's legs (or even better, sawing them off as in > the book). Maybe a little too obvious though. That song freaks me OUT -- the first time I really listened to it I played it on my good studio headphones with the volume cranked way up so I could make out all the words, and I just about jumped out of my skin when the door broke down or whatever. --Matt J - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Lisa in the movies... On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 Joe_Horne@matrixresources.com wrote: > There actually was a little snipet from "Psychopath" in a French film > about a cat named GrisGris and the cat's owner and her gay roommate. > I think it's called (in English) "When the cat's away".....It was a > good movie. I was just excited to hear a little Lisa...Did anyone > else see/hear that? No but I'm going to look for it now, and GrisGris is a DAMN cool name for a cat. ==Matt J - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Bookstore Where did the bookstore thing come from? Does she really work in one (she didn't mention it to me, even when we were talking about monetary concerns -- which we did a lot, seeing as how I'm a starving college student), or is this just some random rumor? --Matt J - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:07:19 EDT From: Venmlegion@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! Well let's not jump all over Alannis - even though I wouldn't mind (bad pun huh?) It's not her fault that the masses of sheep swallowed up her LP. It did have some good songs though. She wrote from her heart, same as Lisa. I'm sure she had no idea that Jagged Little Pill was going to make her so much ca$h. Whatever. - -Brian - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:00:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Rob Hermann, Wash U, History" Subject: Re: sycophant Bravo Kimberly! Um, I apologize, but I reserve the right to jump all over Alanis, because she is exactly the sort of calculating, pander-to-the-masses, jump-on-the-right-bandwagon greedhead I have always despised. I know that sounds elitist and horrible, but, really, all you have to do is listen to her first two albums (which I have, erk) and you'll realize that all that's going on in Jagged Little Pill is Alanis putting together "grunge" and "angry white female", two concepts guaranteed to make money, and blending them into such a bland patina that everyone could sing along, once the radio edited out the swear words. Of course, even then I'm giving her too much credit; so much of Jagged Little Pill is the producer (Alanis live is a horror beyond all comprehension) I often don't know where Alanis is in all that. Nor do I want to. Sing from the heart? Alanis? "Head over feet" was only put on the album after her record company said "Hey, Alanis, you're too angry here. You need some sort of sensitive ballad type thing". Again, I apologize for this rant, and for any Alanis lovers I have offended. I'm sure I will now get flamed, as I did for my mellencamp comments a while back. I just happen to think that CDs cost enough; we should, as consumers, get more out of them than cynical calculation, pandering, and (in Alanis's case) truly bad grammar and worse singing. Whatever else you can say about mellencamp, he knows how to use a dictionary. Robin Hermann Office: 935-7341 Department of History Home: 361-6634 Washington University email:rhermann@artsci.wustl.edu Web:www.artsci.wustl.edu/~rhermann - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History has to live with what was here, clutching and close to fumbling all we had-- it is so dull and gruesome how we die, unlike writing, life never finishes". - --Robert Lowell, "History" On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 Venmlegion@aol.com wrote: > Well let's not jump all over Alannis - even though I wouldn't mind (bad pun > huh?) It's not her fault that the masses of sheep swallowed up her LP. It did > have some good songs though. She wrote from her heart, same as Lisa. I'm sure > she had no idea that Jagged Little Pill was going to make her so much ca$h. > Whatever. > -Brian > > > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. > > - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. 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