From: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org (sycophant-digest) To: sycophant-digest@smoe.org Subject: sycophant-digest V3 #65 Reply-To: sycophant@smoe.org Sender: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sycophant-digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp [Maude2400@aol.com] Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp [Venmlegion@aol.com] RE: sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? [Matt J ] RE: sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? [Matt J ] Re: sycophant Re: scalpers and such [Matt J ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:44:30 EDT From: Maude2400@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp Hi Jason, There are several tunes that I think show a clear Mellencamp influence: "Cowboy" for one, "Dresses Song" for another. Am I the only one among our Society of Sycophants who thinks that? Thank God there's only a few songs as I really do not like Mellencamp or his music; odd, really, because I try to find something to like in almost everything. (I think it's the only way you can grow without growing old and too set in your ways). But some things just aren't worth the effort and he is one of them: a macho persona that seems to proclaim - "I'm really great ya' gotta like me" with un-mucho talent. I don't mean to offend anyone who really likes him. They're lucky to see the good in him that I can't. -Gregg - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:41:10 EDT From: Venmlegion@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp Gregg, I don't see any "macho" in Mellencamp. And no, you aren't offending me, because I KNOW the man is awesome. He's just a cool guy who sings from the heart. I think his music is great. Although I haven't heard too much after Whenever We Wanted. That was the last time I saw Lisa play with him. Oh well, I guess we had better stop discussing JM,because I bet there are Lisa fans saying "Enough is enough!" It would be like people discussing type o negative on a Carnivore news group, and I hate type O! That would piss me off!) I appologize to all. -Brian - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: RE: sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Rob Hermann, Wash U, History wrote: > Just for the record: I love Slide (because I thought there needed to be a > mention of Lisa somewhere in this post). I don't know if it's my favorite > yet but I know it's far better than Excerpts from a Love Circus (which I > nonetheless also loved). I think they're both maybe on par. I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's FAR better, but at the same time it's safe to say that she's definitely progressing both lyrically and musically. --Matt J > > > Sincerity is to be measured by how much an artist charges for their > > services? The "starving artist" is merely starving and quite often as not, > > not an artist. Is Van Gogh a hack now that his paintings sell for $65 > > million? Does the music sound less sweet on CD for you when you know > > somewhere, someone else paid $150 for the ability to hear JM play live? > > Then methinks the problem does not lie with JM... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Hermann, Wash U, History [SMTP:rhermann@artsci.wustl.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:36 AM > > To: sycophant@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? > > > > To all those who wish to debate Mellencamp's sincerity: I have doubted the > > man and essentially stopped listening to his records (except Human Wheels > > [his best] and some of the Lonesome Jubilee) ever since he toured about a > > year ago to theaters, charging prices in the triple digits. From Barbra > > Streisand I expect this kind of egocentric, insulting behavior, but from > > the man who once (long ago, it seems) proclaimed himself the champion of > > the american farmer (and heartland, more generally)? It's a bit of a > > shock. > > > > Robin Hermann Office: 935-7341 > > Department of History Home: 361-6634 > > Washington University email:rhermann@artsci.wustl.edu > > Web:www.artsci.wustl.edu/~rhermann > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "History has to live with what was here, > > clutching and close to fumbling all we had-- > > it is so dull and gruesome how we die, > > unlike writing, life never finishes". > > --Robert Lowell, "History" > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > > unsubscribe sycophant > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > > unsubscribe sycophant > > > > > > > > > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: RE: sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? Um. I think Bruce Springsteen just keeps getting more and more interesting. My other point: Rob you said that Mellencamp started charging exorbitant prices ten years after he was claiming to be a hero of the heartland. I don't think anyone, especially a so-called "artist" (even a supposedly down-to-earth-heartland-hero artist) can be expected not to go through tumultuous changes in ten years. Hell, ten years ago I was still Catholic. --Matt J On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Rob Hermann, Wash U, History wrote: > Marc, we might as well agree to disagree, before the Lisa-oriented members > of this list kick us off. Although I take the point about Dylan, I think > Bruce's The Ghost of Tom Joad was relevant, both musically and > politically. But I will agree with you JM's set list. The Best That I > Could Do, indeed. > > Robin Hermann Office: 935-7341 > Department of History Home: 361-6634 > Washington University email:rhermann@artsci.wustl.edu > Web:www.artsci.wustl.edu/~rhermann > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "History has to live with what was here, > clutching and close to fumbling all we had-- > it is so dull and gruesome how we die, > unlike writing, life never finishes". > --Robert Lowell, "History" > > > > > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:51:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Re: scalpers and such On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 Venmlegion@aol.com wrote: > Thats all well and good. Im happy for that you that you got second rwo center. > However your point about "these are better than anything that ever went on > sale" Is just the point I was trying to make. It pisses me off that corporate > radio stations and scalpers end up with the first 5 or more rows of seats. If > you don't listen to brainwash 100.7 FM, or bend over to a scalper agency for > tickets you get crap. Its very discouraging. -Brian I totally agree. Brainwashed corporate radio sucks, ticket prices suck, scalpers suck. My only consolation is that 95% of the musicians that I like play small clubs -- not necessarily out of kindness to their fans, but mostly because they're just not all that big or well-known. In regards to the Tori Amos show, I WAS pretty discouraged until my friend hooked me up with that ticket. Which goes again to prove your point: short of voodoo, there's just not that much you can do to fight the system. --Matt J - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ End of sycophant-digest V3 #65 ****************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to sycophant-owner@smoe.org