From: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org (sycophant-digest) To: sycophant-digest@smoe.org Subject: sycophant-digest V3 #62 Reply-To: sycophant@smoe.org Sender: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sycophant-digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sycophant Re: Mellencamp [Maude2400@aol.com] Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp [Venmlegion@aol.com] Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp ["Jason D. Korke" ] Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp ["Jason D. Korke" ] Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp ["Jason D. Korke" ] Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp [Venmlegion@aol.com] Re: sycophant _Slide_! [Matt J ] sycophant what song? [Mark ] Re: sycophant _Slide_! ["Jason D. Korke" ] sycophant Slide Track Listing ["Gerard J. Jendras" ] sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? ["Jason D. Korke" Subject: Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp Maude2400@aol.com wrote: > I couldn't agree more with Matt. The "Cougar's" success continues to amaze > me; I find him lacking in sponaneity, innovation, and most of all: sincerity. > I really dislike his music and am unhappy when I can hear remnants of it in > some of Lisa's work. Were they once a twosome? I've wondered whether or not > he might be that "Little Cowboy?" Ewwwwwww yech. That's not really a pretty picture. But I've never doubted Mellencamp's sincerity. i doubt his complexity sometimes - he comes across as a bit simplistic at times. but to me at least there's a place for that. Big Daddy is his best album, and i think it's genuine. i'm interested: where do you hear remnants of his music in Lisa's work? love Jason - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:11:11 +1000 From: "Jason D. Korke" Subject: Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp Well.... > Brown just to name a few. And no He and Lisa were never a twosome, he has been > happily married for MANY years. Well yeah but not to the same person... i don't want to slander the guy but i kinda always got the feeling he wasn't averse to playing around... Well i could be wrong. But I mean... he sure comes across that way. - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:19:01 +1000 From: "Jason D. Korke" Subject: Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp I'd just like to add one more thing on the topic of mellencamp: ___ There may come a day when you feel angry china cracked and glued by clumsy hand veins of memory touching only hunger the heart devours what it cannot understand on the day we met, i began to want you on the day we met, i began to lose you, too both of us circling round the moon... ___ Now those aren't BAD lyrics. They really aren't. In fact, I think they're pretty good. And the man has a fantastic voice. AND totally off topic but i just wanted to share the news and have exhausted my circle of friends... it looks like my novel might be going to be published one day which is exciting to me at least. Ciao all! - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:23:11 EDT From: Venmlegion@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Re: Mellencamp There have only been 2 women in his life since around the time Jack and Diane was recorded. I forget the year. - -Bri - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant _Slide_! OMYGAWD Go get it tomorrow or today or yesterday! SOO good. First impressions: more lush and noisy compared to the sparse and minimal _Excerpts from a Love Circus_. I think this has more to do with production than anything else. A little bit more indy-rock noise-guitar noodling, but nothing overbearing. Thickest most feedback-y song is #3, "Tomorrowing," which is well done and interesting even if her voice is drowned out a little bit. Hip-hoppy beats on track #1, "Way Below the Radio," but again nothing overbearing. Sort of reminds me of a more successful blend of experimentation and sticking to one's roots than Tori Amos's new one. Did I mention it's really really really good? --Matt J - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:26:11 -0400 From: Mark Subject: sycophant what song? JASON, WHAT SONG IS THAT? GREAT LYRICS! MARK - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:29 +1000 From: "Jason D. Korke" Subject: Re: sycophant _Slide_! For the benefit of those of us who are gonna be taking at least a coupla weeks to get a hold of the album.... could anyone post a track listing? Any other pertinent details? Just so the inevitable conversation will make some kinda sense. Love, Jason... :) - -- Hey: go visit my homepage at http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jurgen/ "I speak to the black experience, but I am always talking about the human condition - about what we can endure, dream, fail at, and still survive." - Maya Angelou "It doesn't seem plausible to me that there is the kind of God who watches over human affairs, listens to prayers, and tries to guide people to follow His precepts -- there is just too much misery and cruelty for that." - Benjamin Spock "To be a philosopher is not merely to have subtle thoughts, nor even to found a school, but so to love wisdom as to live accordingly to its dictates, a life of simplicity, independence, magnanimity, and trust." - Henry David Thoreau "I am a lover and have not found my thing to love." - Sherwood Anderson "It was at a particular moment in the history of my own rages that I saw the Western world conditioned by the images of Marx, Darwin and Freud; and Marx, Darwin and Freud are the three most crashing bores of the Western world. The simplistic popularization of their ideas has thrust our world into a mental straitjacket from which we can only escape by the most anarchic violence." - William Golding - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:09:26 -0400 From: "Gerard J. Jendras" Subject: sycophant Slide Track Listing I know that amazon.com has a track listing available, and they're not the only ones to do so (among the online music vendors). - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:01:40 +1000 From: "Jason D. Korke" Subject: sycophant Re: MELLENCAMP/what song? Mark wrote: > JASON, WHAT SONG IS THAT? GREAT LYRICS! MARK Oh, I'm glad someone agrees!! Just so I can be the bad-to-the-bone rebel I've always wanted to be, I'll breach copyright and type in the whole song: ____ There may come a day when you grow weary Troubled water stains the paper cup from other venues, other voices carry spilt dreams soaking into thirsty dust maybe then and there, you'll find another lover with a blank and empty heart filled with breath and old cells to discover strength to push the seas apart on the day we met, i began to want you on the day we met, i began to lose you, too both of us, circling round the moon both of us, circling round the moon there may come a day when you feel anger china cracked and glued by clumsy hand veins of memory touching only hunger the heart devours what it cannot understand on the day we met, i began to want you on the day we met, i began to lose you, too both of us, circling round the moon both of us, circling round the moon maybe it was then i saw my future saw it as a shadow on the ground beneath the earth, old nails to discover the strength to hold my body down on the day we met, i began to want you on the day we met, i began to lose you, too both of us, circling round the moon both of us, circling round the moon ________ That second stanza's as good a metaphor for anger as I've ever encountered - broken china, glued together badly... love it. My apologies to those who are tired of hearing about John Mellencamp on a Lisa Germano mailing list! The song is called Circling Around the Moon and it's from Mr Happy-Go-Lucky, the Coug's latest. It's one of those he wrote with his semi-regular cowriter George Green - I don't know anything about him except that half the time the lyrics end up incomprehensible, silly, or just plain cliched when they write together. Sometimes works though. My suspicion is that those who dislike mellencamp probably haven't heard his more recent stuff; he doesn't seem to give much of a shit about publicising his work any more. A few clues for those who don't believe he is a very creative and original artist - go listen to When Jesus Left Birmingham, which is on the Human Wheels album; To The River, on the same album (just for the memorable line, "I spit in the eye of safe company"); almost anything on Big Daddy, but especially Big Daddy of Them All (which Lisa almost steals with a single slide of the bow), Mansions in Heaven, and Martha Say; for the lyrics only, not the music, The Breakout on Dance Naked (not a great album) - "i want to taste the tears of a lover/warm as my blood, as wet as a kiss/but it's only a dark rain that falls in this old town/old as my memory and as cold as my lips..." I'm sure others would provide a different list but they, of course, would be wrong. Okay. Apologies, again, for what is essentially i suppose off topic. I won't say anything more mellencampian unless somebody else does first! So bye! Jason - -- Hey: go visit my homepage at http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jurgen/ "I speak to the black experience, but I am always talking about the human condition - about what we can endure, dream, fail at, and still survive." - Maya Angelou "It doesn't seem plausible to me that there is the kind of God who watches over human affairs, listens to prayers, and tries to guide people to follow His precepts -- there is just too much misery and cruelty for that." - Benjamin Spock "To be a philosopher is not merely to have subtle thoughts, nor even to found a school, but so to love wisdom as to live accordingly to its dictates, a life of simplicity, independence, magnanimity, and trust." - Henry David Thoreau "I am a lover and have not found my thing to love." - Sherwood Anderson "It was at a particular moment in the history of my own rages that I saw the Western world conditioned by the images of Marx, Darwin and Freud; and Marx, Darwin and Freud are the three most crashing bores of the Western world. The simplistic popularization of their ideas has thrust our world into a mental straitjacket from which we can only escape by the most anarchic violence." - William Golding - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant ------------------------------ End of sycophant-digest V3 #62 ****************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to sycophant-owner@smoe.org