From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V10 #179 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, September 27 2005 Volume 10 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Music and the Message [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: The Music and the Message [Michael Curry ] Re: The Music and the Message [e m ] Re: the new bootlegs ["Lauren H" ] sims 2 jupiter [Brian K Tanaka ] RE: precious-things-digest V10 #178 ["Tom xxxxx" ] Re: the new bootlegs [Amanda Bradley ] Re: The Music and the Message [Amanda Bradley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:20:03 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: The Music and the Message Oh, one last thing on the "labels are evil" subject, and this thing a positive one. It's of course possible we'll see new music distribution models emerge where, because distribution is taken out of the hands of the few and granted to the many, music and commerce meet in a happier, healthier place. As an example of this progression, I point to Magnatune, the label whose motto is "We Are Not Evil": http://www.magnatune.com/ There are other examples and other models, but that one springs to mind because I just happened to have bought an album there about two minutes ago. The prices are sliding scale, and the artists get half of each sale. The same optimistic speculation applies to book publishing. (Says he who has a book coming out any day now under just such a model.) Okay, I think my topic drift is done. :-) - - Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:23:36 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: The Music and the Message Kelley wrote: > it's the same in the publishing industry. in order for a publishing > company to even break even on their "risk" on an author, they have to be > able to guarantee sales in the hundreds of thousands (of copies). and > that's ANY author--not just new ones. that's why it's impossible for a > new artist or author to make anything their first FEW attempts at > distribution. you can be a prolific writer and have several things > published through a major house and still not receive backing for it > unless you hit that hundred thousands strata. there most definitely is > a red line marking a place on a bar chart when any new undertaking > actually sees the light of day, and it's considered a failure if it > doesnt hit it. > be well! Not that I want to defend the publishing industry's slow elimination of it's midlist, but there are plenty of authors out there who are not selling anywhere near "hundreds of thousands" of copies, and who consistently earn out the advances their publishers give them, and then get more books bought by those same publishers. In order to get the really big advances you still may still need to be on the level of NYT bestselling author, but lots of authors are making (or at least supplementing) a living at the low end of the scale. It's just that sweet spot in the middle, where authors were getting advanced 50-100k or so per book, that's been shrinking. And to tie this back to Tori, it's a shame Epic won't try harder to push her, but at least she hasn't had the problems that Fiona Apple and even unluckier artists have had. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: e m Subject: Re: The Music and the Message to add a couple of drachmas to the topic at hand, i just was so disappointed when tori signed to SONY after her years of atlantic i thought she would know better than to sign to a large label that would put money first. yeah, there was a new woman on board at sony, but there were also a lot of people at atlantic that were supportive back in the days of LE, and they left & things changed. so i thought it would suit her best to sign to an artist's label. what i mean is a label that seems to have a running history of putting the artist first. look at electra for example. phish is on there and so is bjork. look at all the freedom they have/had with their releases. bjork released 101 dvds recently and has consistently released at least 2 or 3 singles for each song she releases on an album & for each song she has a brilliant video to go with it as well. her latest, medula, had i believe had at least three songs released as singles, so there has to have been at least 6 to 9 discs of bjork rarities out there for just this one album. tori does NOT get that luxury at all. she got one mediocre video with SWB and one pitiful STS internet released video. and look at all the live discs phish put out. and their fans buy even though they have fan based recordings that are allowed to be taped, thus the quality kicks the butts of any hidden audience recordings we can manage i bet. i guess that ties in with the bootleg release. maybe if these sales do well we'll get more in the future. i urge you all to save some dough and buy as much as you can :) i still want to hear her cover of hyperballad! - -eleni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:54:45 -0500 From: "Lauren H" Subject: Re: the new bootlegs in not sure if you mean the 9/2 show or not but personally that would be incredible. she did a cover of "when the levee breaks" and i have never felt so much power coming from one person. it was like she channeled some healing force. toodles -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amanda Bradley To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Re: the new bootlegs Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Breathtaking I bet. I would feel so blessed though, >if the Austin show would make the cut. The setlist >was powerful, but the covers...my god the covers... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:53:02 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: sims 2 jupiter Just plain odd: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7937121037758302937&q=tori+amos - - Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:16:45 +0000 From: "Tom xxxxx" Subject: RE: precious-things-digest V10 #178 Brian said: >.. > >(Puts on his stats-nerd propellor beanie) > >Total number of shows attended: 4 > >Total number of songs performed: 72 > >Total number of songs, each individual song counted only once: 49 > >Total number of songs played only one time: 34 > >Average number of songs per show: 18 > >Ratio of individual songs to average number of songs per show: 49 / 18 >Note: Multiple shows with no variation in the setlist would yield a ratio >approaching 1 (e.g. 23 / 23). The higher the first value in this ratio, the >greater the amount of variety in the setlists.) > I do understand your point here, Brian, and I am grateful that Tori plays such individual sets (and that we are getting official boots at all). However, it's a little disappointing to buy four CDs and get several songs on three of the four. I was hoping that setlist variety would weigh a little more highly as a criterion for picking which sets to release. I like "Cool on Your Island" as much as the next guy, but I hardly need three versions of it. Yes, I know all three versions will be different, but I can't help but look at the set lists of other shows and wish we were getting those instead. Cheers, Tom M. "Can you Mr. Bush light the sage" - --- Tori Amos, "Indian Summer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Bradley Subject: Re: the new bootlegs - --- Lauren H wrote: > > in not sure if you mean the 9/2 show or not but > personally that would be > incredible. she did a cover of "when the levee > breaks" and i have never > felt so much power coming from one person. it was > like she channeled some > healing force. Yes, that is the show I was referring to. Wasn't that song amazing? Peace Out, Amanda "You and me will all go down in History. With a sad statue of Liberty and a Generation that didn't agree." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Bradley Subject: Re: The Music and the Message What I've always wondered is why doesn't Tori make her own damn label (besides the one she used to produce Pet's CD)? It seems to me that she has enough money/power/whatever you need to accomplish it. It's always boggled me why she doesn't follow in Ani's footsteps. But, maybe I'm miss understanding something? - --- e m wrote: > > to add a couple of drachmas to the topic at hand, i > just was so disappointed when tori signed to SONY > after her years of atlantic i thought she would know > better than to sign to a large label that would put > money first. > so i thought it would suit her best to sign to an > artist's label. what i mean is a label that seems > to > have a running history of putting the artist first. Peace Out, Amanda "You and me will all go down in History. 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