From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V9 #116 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, November 16 2004 Volume 09 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori's spiritual path ["Melissa Olges" ] Little Blue World Upcoming Issue [Angela Reid ] Re: tori is a witch? ["Reed Darsey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:37:38 -0600 From: "Melissa Olges" Subject: Tori's spiritual path I'm on the digest, and I'm a little behind -- but there are a few things I'd like to respond to. - ----------------- Heather L. Orn wrote: I have not seen any denials from Tori, or heard of any lawsuits she's made against people who've claimed she is pagan. That seems like kind of a silly thing to sue someone over, doesn't it? - ----------------- Violet wrote: Actually, I find it interesting that no one in this conversation has mentioned Native American beliefs and practices as an explanation. Thank you for bringing this to light. I was actually composing a very lengthy post on this very topic, but you've done a far better job than I had. - ----------------- Violet also wrote: My argument is not that she isn't pagan, but that "pagan" does not necessarily equal "witch." There are other options. Some modern pagans use these two words interchangeably. For others, however, "pagan" is a broad description of their religious beliefs, whereas "witch" is a title they choose to give themselves (or not, as the case may be). Here are entries from the Compact Oxford English Dictionary: Pagan noun: a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions. adjective: relating to pagans or their beliefs. - DERIVATIVES: paganism, noun. - ORIGIN: Latin paganus, 'rustic', later 'civilian' (i.e. a person who was not a 'soldier' in Christ's army). Witch noun: 1) a woman thought to have evil magic powers. 2) a follower or practitioner of modern witchcraft. 3) informal, an ugly or unpleasant old woman. . verb, archaic: 1) practise witchcraft. 2) cast an evil spell on. - DERIVATIVES: witchy, adjective. - ORIGIN: Old English. In that light, I'd not call Tori a witch, because I don't think any of these three definitions really applies. (My mother might argue that number one fits, because she's been convinced that Tori's evil ever since she saw the BfP cover -- but she's just a nutty Christian fundamentalist.) - ----------------- Richard Handal wrote: I think everyone would concede that if she weighs the same as a duck, she must be made of wood, and is therefore a witch. In that case, I would concede Tori's witch status. Who's got a large scale and a duck? - - Melissa - ---------- The final two verses of The Jefferson Bible: "There laid they Jesus, And rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:25:26 -0500 From: Angela Reid Subject: Little Blue World Upcoming Issue The Tori Amos fanzine Little Blue World will be shipping our next issue in December. Here's some of what's included: * The Path to Healing: How Tori's personal experience of healing after rape inspired the founding of RAINN. * Silent No More: RAINN's efforts bear fruit as sexual assault rates fall and reporting goes up. * Things are Pretty Good for a Calendar Girl: LBW interviews five of the artists featured in the 2005 RAINN calendar. * Walking With Scarlet: The best of the bootlegs from Scarlet's tours. * When Old Loves Return: Our reviewer falls in and out of love with the work of Melissa Ferrick. * Plus regular features, like Ask the Expert, Puzzle, Reader Submissions and more. For more information about this issue and how to subscribe, go to ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:55:30 -0600 From: "Reed Darsey" Subject: Re: tori is a witch? (I haven't read this list in a few months, and wanted to check if for news on the upcoming CD, but found this discussion instead, which touches on a theme that has fascinated me for over ten years, Tori's spirituality. My ears perked up when I saw the reference to her as a "conjurer", by this thread calls for something to be said in Tori's defense.) My first association of the word "witch" was sitting in the movie theater watching what still remains my favorite movie, "The Three Lives of Thomasina", hearing the "drums" Lori MacGregor, "the witch in the glen" was beating, which really turned out to be her working with a loom. It seems that Tori is similarly misunderstood. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V9 #116 *************************************