From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #181 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, August 1 2003 Volume 08 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re[2]: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness [Richard Handal ] Re: Re[2]: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness [Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Re[2]: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness David said: > Actually, I believe the impetus behind this tour is the "Best of" album, > rather than Scarlet's Walk, hence the repetition of cities and name > change. I guess it's kind of a conceptual distinction unless intent is explicitly stated. I have some observations, though. Florida was treated to three separate passes on the DDI Tour, and much or most of the rest of the U.S. got at least two. That Taxi Ride video contest just ended, and Taxi Ride is a current single coming from Scarlet. My Epic friend told me she saw Epic president Polly Anthony's hand in this pairing as she's such a piano-player, singer-songwriter partisan. I think it would have been a huge slap in the face of Ben Folds had the name of the tour not reflected his participation. (Ben's hardly a Howie Day; I saw Ben perform in '95 when Howie was barely in high school. I prefer Howie, BTW.) In the middle of the 5 1/2 Weeks tour I asked Tori about a rumor I'd heard out of Atlantic concerning their alleged plans to pair her with someone else on another tour her next time out (since the Alanis pairing was so successful at selling tickets). She said she hadn't heard that rumor and sternly assured me that "Atlantic has nothing to do with it." Do they have anything to do with her touring plans now? Who knows. I imagine the November release will see a little more business because of this tour, but she'll probably end up doing some interviews and some other promo for it when the time comes, possibly even a couple TV shots playing a song solo. FWIW, that's my take on this. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:48:29 +0200 From: "Silvia Buriani" Subject: Re: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness Just a thought: you have to be grateful to hear I cant' see NY for your 15th times this year... I had the chance to see her only twice this year. I'm Italian ,she doesn't tour here so much as in the states. So consider yourself lucky for the third leg (even if I too thought she would have made some changes in the set list) ,Europeans only got 2 weeks...not talking about Aussie... Love Silvia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Re[2]: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness David Mobley wrote: > Actually, I believe the impetus behind this tour is the "Best of" > album, rather than Scarlet's Walk, hence the repetition of cities and > name change. That seems unlikely, since the best-of album is being released on Atlantic and Tori isn't exactly on the best of terms with them. Why would she bother to promote an album that's on her previous label? > At least that was what I was expecting, with the whole > rehearsals for new songs and un-heard songs hype that we've been > given through whatever unofficial channels it may be. That just struck me as a way to get more people interested in the third leg of the tour, period; not that it had anything to do with the best-of. > With a Best Of cd coming out in November and it being assumed that > Tori won't be touring directly at the same time of its release > (although I guess plans can change eh?) I was figuring that with all > the cities being repeats, this was the Best of tour, not merely an > extension of the Scarlet tour. I think it's reasonably comparable to the DDI tour. Look how many cities she visited multiple times on that one. I saw Tori four times on that tour without travelling more than 60 miles. (Three Atlanta shows, one in Athens.) /nm {who probably won't get to see Tori on this leg of the tour at all} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:07:17 -0400 From: David Mobley Subject: Re[4]: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness Thursday, July 31, 2003, 1:16:38 PM, you wrote: >> Actually, I believe the impetus behind this tour is the "Best of" >> album, rather than Scarlet's Walk, hence the repetition of cities and >> name change. NM> That seems unlikely, since the best-of album is being released on NM> Atlantic and Tori isn't exactly on the best of terms with them. Why NM> would she bother to promote an album that's on her previous label? because she still gets money from it and she recorded at least one or two "new" tracks for it (allegedly) is what I'd figure. If it were just another greatest hits album with no artist involvement, I doubt she'd be doing any new recordings for it. I'm a little confused by it, but I'd figure that if she's doing new material, it'd be worthy of promoting. Richard is probably right though, in that it'll only get a token media tour in November I suppose. The whole speculation about new recordings may also be false, so who knows. the whole 3rd leg may be just a good excuse to rake in a bunch of cash before taking a 3-year vacation, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Re[4]: 3rd leg / new tour bummed-out-ness David said: > If it were just another greatest hits album with no artist involvement, > I doubt she'd be doing any new recordings for it. It's a typical contractual thing. Labels get artists in contractual agreements for these compilations with a couple new tracks added so all the serious fans still have to buy them. I'm confident if there was a way for her not to have done this album that she would have, even though she has to welcome the money she'll make off it. And if one thinks back to the b-sides album which would have been combined as a multi-disc set with new material that was in the works back in '98, one could construct a scenario in which she was trying to figure out a way to simultaneously release this compilation disc along with meeting her general obligation for her contracted number of albums with Atlantic just to get it all behind her ASAP before she left Atlantic, but I'm just talking off the top of my head when I say that. I have no legal/contract insight beyond the things I've heard over the years. The "best of" release may have been required of her after the other albums on her Atlantic contract were released. My mind wanders and wonders, though. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #181 *************************************