From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #249 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 249 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni/8 [FredNow@aol.com] Goodbye Porkpie Hat [FredNow@aol.com] Top 8 Joni ["Tamsin Lucas" ] hejira [tantra-apso ] Re: Top 8 List [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Top 8 ["Janine Sherman" ] And me, the chirp ??? [Chihuahua50@aol.com] Re: Top 8 ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: And me, the chirp ??? [Deb Messling ] Re: And me, the chirp ??? [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: Top 8 [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: hejira ["Lori Fye" ] Re: top 8 and Carly [Susan Guzzi ] RE: And me, the chirp ??? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Top 8 Joni albums/bootlegs [Jerry Notaro ] Re: hejira [tantra-apso ] Re: hejira ["Lori Fye" ] Inner Circle [Ken ] Top 8 Joni albums ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni and Ani ["Kate Bennett" ] Back To Joni & Ani and Travelogue & Both Sides Now ["Happy The Man" ] Re: TLOG ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira [Dan Olson ] Re: Top 8 Joni albums ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: hejira [tantra-apso ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: hejira ["Happy The Man" ] joni and ani sjc ["joe farrell" ] Re: joni and ani sjc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni and ani sjc ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: joni and ani sjc [AzeemAK@aol.com] top 8 [bra811@aol.com] re: morning morgantown ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: morning morgantown ["Stephen Toogood" ] RE: JoniFests/Attendance ["Maggie McNally" ] Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks ["Guy Brown" <] RE: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks ["Wally Ka] Re: Joni and Ani ["kakki" ] Re: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks [SCJoniGuy] RE: Joni and Ani ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Inner Circle [Michael Paz ] RE: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks ["Guy Brow] Today in History: August 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 04:02:26 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Joni/8 Song To A Seagull Clouds Ladies of the Canyon Blue For the Roses Court and Spark Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 04:15:06 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Goodbye Porkpie Hat Dflahm@aol.com writes: > I respect your opinion, Jim, but Mingus's "....Hat" sure sounds like a song > to me. > It has a regular symetrical form, it uses conventional > harmonies (good, but > very jazz-traditional) and is easily hummable. I absolutely agree with David. In fact, it is the eminently songful quality of most of Mingus' work that distinguishes it. I respect your right to hold your opinion, Jim, but your opinion is wrong. (insert emoticon here) - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:55:06 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Top 8 Joni 1. Hejira 2. Blue 3. Hissing 4. T.I. 5. C&S 6. FTR 7. NRH 8. LotC Up until a month ago Blue would have been my number 1 by a loooong way & I can hardly believe hejira has edged it out, I always loved the words but the music never drew me in so much but over the last few weeks I can't stop listening and it blows me away every time, fantastic. Hissing has also edged up much further than it was before. I am loving driving around in the sun listening to them both, not sure what's been behind me really "getting" them, maybe it's approcahing 30? Who knows. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:05:08 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: hejira can't believe i left it off my top eight. sot hat makes nine if ic an count. not willing to trade. oh well i'd rather have hejira than blue. so you can scrap blue and replace it with Hejira. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:24:33 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Top 8 List Hi! I guess is a question a little redundant, 'cause there is the "album poll" on web page, but It's always nice to express one's preferences about that Masterpieces! (and it's surprising me how different all these 8 lists are!) So here it goes mine: 1: Blue 1: Hejira (yes, they're n: 1 both, the best albums one can get anywhere) 3: Ladies of the Canyon (surprise!: I can't get tired of hearing it over & over) 4: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (it's not perfectly fit... but I *love* it) 5: Night Ride Home (recently discovered: how could I live without it!) 6: Court & Spark (perfectly rich) 7: Hissing of Summer Lawns (The most shocking and arty thing: delightful) 8: Turbulent Indigo (paint another Van Gogh like this, dear Juana!) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Coyote, Toronto, 12/1/75 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:23:04 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 List et al In a message dated 8/5/2003 11:15:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobsart48 writes: > but if I had put it on that list, I would have had to drop LOTC from my top 8 (and I fell in love with her on that, my first Joni album). Which is what I was trying to get around - > sort of to your original point about STAS and FTR, eh ? Exactly. And I can appreciate where you're coming from, it's hard to give up your first love. LOTC didn't make my top 8, but over the past couple of months I find myself drawn to it and discovering new tidbits each time. Depending on the day, I suppose I could easily flip-flop it with Clouds. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Kitten Intro" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:34:07 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:55:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, tamsinjanelucas@hotmail.com writes: > I always loved the words but the > music never drew me in so much but over the last few weeks > I can't stop > listening and it blows me away every time, fantastic. It's so unlike anything else, it does take some time (and some life experiences) to fully appreciate. I was listening to it this week in the car, way up loud, and the electric guitar from "A Strange Boy" really stood out. That's Larry Carlton, I think, and the guitar textures are simply amazing. It's so much more beyond the simple strumming rhythm or soloing...phenomenal stuff, the guitar sounds seem to ebb and flow with the words in the song to create such vivid images. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Lady Is A Tramp" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:44:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni HEJIRA --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:55:06 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > tamsinjanelucas@hotmail.com writes: > > > I always loved the words but the > > music never drew me in so much but over the last > few weeks > > I can't stop > > listening and it blows me away every time, > fantastic. > > It's so unlike anything else, it does take some time > (and some > life experiences) to fully appreciate. I was > listening to it > this week in the car, way up loud, and the electric > guitar from > "A Strange Boy" really stood out. It's one of those albums to which, like Willy Loman, attention must be paid. If you can be in some sort of semi-dream state while listening, so much the better. If you can do this while driving a car, that's about as close to nirvana as a person can get and still be alive - it's good drivin' an' thinkin' music. I likes to play it when I drives and thinks. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:45:45 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Top 8 My 8 top Joni albums in alphabetic order, not by preference.. Blue For the Roses Hejira Hissing of Summer Lawns Ladies of the Canyon Miles of Aisles Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo Have fun you, Jonifesters. I will be fending off thousands of Civil War reenacators here at teh rescheduled 140th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg. The best to all inner and outer circle members, Janine NP: GET OVER IT Eagles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:56:34 -0400 From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: And me, the chirp ??? This is something that I've wondered about since Miles of Aisles came out and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for me. On Miles of Aisles after Joni introduces the band, she says something that I never understood. It sounds like, "....and me, the chirp." Is "chirp" what she says, and, if so, what does that mean? Many thanks, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:00:14 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Top 8 > Have fun you, Jonifesters. > I will be fending off thousands of Civil War reenacators here at teh > rescheduled 140th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg. wow, now that sounds like fun. wish i were there. mack np: Joni-FTR Interestingly enough, now that here by the lake, I am listening to Joni's references to seagulls and water with more interest. > > The best to all inner and outer circle members, > Janine > > NP: GET OVER IT Eagles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:04:01 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: And me, the chirp ??? I always thought it was slang for "girl singer." That's just my own guess, though. At 10:56 AM 8/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On Miles of Aisles after Joni introduces the band, she says something that >I never understood. It sounds like, "....and me, the chirp." Is "chirp" >what she says, and, if so, what does that mean? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:06:31 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: And me, the chirp ??? > I always thought it was slang for "girl singer." That's just my own guess, > though. I'm pretty sure it's long-standing jazz slang for exactly that. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:17:39 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Top 8 My 8 top Joni albums by preference and not in alphabetic order. ; ) Hejira DJRD HOSL TI NRH FTR STAS DED !!! Lori NP: Melissa Manchester, "Love Havin' You Around" (THANKS, MACK!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:40:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: hejira > oh well i'd rather have hejira than blue. > so you can scrap blue and replace it with Hejira. Colin, I thought you hated Hejira? Has something changed? Or am I really losing my memory?? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: top 8 and Carly Ok so I am replying under the "top 8 and Carly" thread - I am in a hurry I have to get ready for my trip to my inner circle retreat this weekend! My top 8 like its any surprise: Blue For the Roses Hejira Ladies of the Canyon Court & Spark Hissing of Summer Lawns Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo And Evian - WTRF almost made mine ... and as always I can't believe DED made anyones list! It drives me MAD!!!!!!!!! MAD I say! Peace, Susan Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: Top 8 For the Roses Blue Court and Spark Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira Don Juan Night Ride Home Dog Eat Dog I can't believe WTRF is on everyone's lists! Oh, and Jimmy, Carly was singing about me - both "Your So Vain" and "Better Not Tell Her" are written for me. Come on, it's obvious - you KNOW how I walk into a party like I am walking onto a yacht... Love y'all, Evian Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:41:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: And me, the chirp ??? oh, i always thought it was, "and me, the jerk". - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Deb Messling Enviado el: Miercoles, 06 de Agosto de 2003 12:04 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: And me, the chirp ??? I always thought it was slang for "girl singer." That's just my own guess, though. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:49:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni albums/bootlegs All I would add to the Master's list is Just Ice, both the video and cd versions. Joni was just glowing. The Joni-JT will always be #1 for me. Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > > > >>Maybe we should also do a Top 8 live or bootleg, etc. >> >> >> >My top 8: > >#1 HAS to be the Joni-JT concert...two great artists, about to hit their >creative and popular strides, and the love they have for each other just jumps out >of the grooves. > >The rest of these are in no order, and I'm sure that I'll leave out something >really awesome and smack my head... > >Hissing Demos (the edition with "Hunter" & all the radio ads, they always >make me laugh) > >Spectrum/Philly '76, this setlist is just awesome > >'95 Gene Autry Museum...Joni unplugged, clearly enjoying herself, surrounded >by adoring fans, great stories and songs. Taken from an FM broadcast so the >sound is wonderful. > >Second Fret sets...ALL those early songs! > >Unplugged & Jamming # 1 & 2 - Great random collections of some rare Joni >stuff... > >1985 Rock Master Class - Helped me appreciate DED more, and I LOVE the >piano/Paprika style piano improv. > >1998 Day In The Garden - Again, Joni feeling very loved and confident, and >surrounding by some OUTSTANDING players - Isham, Blade, Liesz, Klein > >Yep, I missed a ton of good ones, but I could be happy on my desert island >with those. > >Bob > >NP: Bjork, "Hidden Times" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:58:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Ani I also have an MP3 somewhere where she gives the Joni-Bob speech. She said that if Joni were a man, no one would consider Bob Dylan as the greatest sing-songwriter of his generation. Though she also goes on to say that she also idolizes Dylan and has been very much influenced by him. Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/5/2003 10:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: > > > >>she talked a lot about Joni and it sounded like >>she was very much in awe of her. >> >> > >Oh, she very much is Kerry...but Ani doesn't always say what people want to >hear, and they don't exactly see eye to eye on everything. Her tendency to not >couch her words and to not necessarily agree with even her idols & mentors is >one of the many things I admire about her. >This excerpt from a Mojo interview: > >MoJo Wire: You wrote a Los Angeles Times Magazine article on Joni Mitchell in >which you noted that Mitchell was uppity, so the press painted her as a >bitch, whereas Dylan, who was also uppity, was considered rebellious. Obviously, >times have changed. So how do you think this uppity Ani DiFranco person has been >portrayed? > >DiFranco: Well, I basically get stereotyped a lot in terms of being a girl >and writing "chick" music for teenage girls or something. I think, if anything, >the press kind of, because of my gender and my age, tends to kind of relegate >my work to this sort of special-interest group. It's part of the cultural >dynamic, I guess. > >MoJo Wire: Mitchell hated to be compared with other female musicians. Does >that bother you too? > >DiFranco: Well no, actually. I don't hate being compared with female >musicians. I don't mind that at all. I have no problem with seeing connections between >women's work. On the other side of the coin, I hate it when people don't >recognize the work of women as being universal, or having any import to the world >at large, as opposed to men's work, which is generally tends to be seen as >more universal -- men's writing about their own experience tends to be put in a >broader context. > >Bob > >NP: Go-Go's, "Get Up & Go" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:37:56 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: hejira Lori Fye wrote: >>oh well i'd rather have hejira than blue. >>so you can scrap blue and replace it with Hejira. >> >> > >Colin, I thought you hated Hejira? Has something changed? Or am I >really losing my memory?? > >Lori > > > your memory is stuffed. must be your age. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:46:04 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: hejira > your memory is stuffed. must be your age. Must be. After all, I am SIX MONTHS older than you!! : D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:52:24 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Inner Circle Had a little fun with this: To the tune of The Circle Game Yesterday a fan came out to wonder Caught a glimpse of Joni on the web Hit a link but must have made a blunder Ended up on some porno site instead Then the child moved on to Wallys main page Found a link to Les's that he'd missed Words, there, like jmdl would confuse him And finally he'd join the Digest or the list And the topics they go round and round Gays and church and politcs abound Theres lots thats new that he won't understand And one thing that he won't be told Which will seam like a giant hurtle He'll go round and round and round Looking for the inner circle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:02:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Top 8 Joni albums today they are, in random order: 1.Song to a Seagull 2.Blue 3.Hejira 4.Ladies of the Canyon 5.Night Ride Home 6.Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm 7.Court & Spark 8.For the Roses/Clouds (can't decide) kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:02:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and Ani >The article is here and included is Joni's management's response to it. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=150< thanks for posting this kakki, i'd never read it...its definately more about ani's viewpoints than an interview with joni...i can totally understand the point of view from both joni (she hates labels) & ani (the importance of defining words that already exist) on feminism... this topic seems like such a logical point of discussion between the two woman as they are both examples of women who have done things their own way...so it is too bad there was not more of a discussion back & forth (like ani's recent interview with bruce coburn in performing songwriter mag) & it really is too bad that joni did not take the time to learn more about ani as a musician but also as a business woman...if only for the sake of the interview... i was suprised to learn that in 1998 joni is still talking about prefering the company of men...perhaps her growing relationship with her daughter & grandkids will help to soften & enlighten joni's viewpoint of the company of women... as a double (or is it triple?) scorpio, she sure can be stubborn & fixed to the point where it does seems to isolate her... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:59:06 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Back To Joni & Ani and Travelogue & Both Sides Now With Joni selling 60,000 units of Travelogue, you would think that working with someone like Ani would be a benefit. I see the only negative being the amount of money it took to make Travelogue with the amount of musicians used on the project. Is she financing these projects herself? She is not promoting like other albums have been in the past so with the help of Ani you think she could make much more per unit Righteous Babe Records. Reminds me a little of Redwood Records in the 70's and 80's. I dunno but it would be a cool option if Joni ever does go back into the studio. Peace, Craig NP: Circle Game - Joni Circle of Life - Elton Circle of Beliefs - Slayer Circle of Friends - Better Than Ezra Circle of Tyrants - Opeth and for the finally Group Sex - Circle Jerks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:14:39 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira Some further thoughts on her first 8 studio albums (her body of work which builds up slowly and steadily, climaxing with her masterpiece, Hejira): a. They were recorded in a span of what, seven years! that's more than one per year (Her output after that was more like one album every 3 years). b. I theorized some time ago that Hejira was the last album that Joni had COMPLETE control over musically. After that, she always had big name jazz people (or Larry Klein) in the studio with her, exerting their control (for better or for worse - recall, Jaco's bass parts on Hejira were overdubbed after the fact). c. If her output would have ended with Hejira, she would have had an outstanding career - and many of her early fans wouldn't have known the difference. At 05:57 PM 8/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: >1. STAS >2. Clouds >3. Ladies Of The Canyon >4. Blue >5. For The Roses >6. Court and Spark >7. Hissing Of Summer Lawns >8. Hejira > >Oh, I'm sorry, these are her FIRST 8 (studio) albums (I enjoy her live >performances, but albums of them don't make for works of art). But these >8 are her ONLY 8 COMPLETE albums. They are the only ones that I've always >had on tape without a few songs (or in the case of Mingus, "raps") edited >out. They are the ones that were listened to on vinyl. This body of work >builds up slowly and steadily, climaxing with her masterpiece, Hejira >(which I now know how to pronounce). > >At 06:27 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Okay, Bob, since you put it that way, I'll give it a shot! >> >>1. Court and Spark >>2. Blue >>3. Hissing Of Summer Lawns >>4. Shadows and Light >>5. Miles of Aisles >>6. For The Roses >>7. Ladies Of The Canyon >>8. Hejira >> >>David, still a newbie, but kinda enjoying the inner circle "discussion"- >>reminds me of Madeline Kahn in that old skit on the Carol Burnett >>show...inner circles, inner circles, inner circles... >> >>NP- Travelogue >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >> >> > This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers >> > to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet >> > here in a couple of days! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:20:39 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: TLOG > I am surprised no one has brought up the fact (per Brenda's recent post) that > "T'log" has sold less than 60,000 so far. > > --Bob This doesn't surprise me! It also didn't make the UK top 75 from what I could make out. It is quite an expensive package and really wouldn't get the attention of many new/casual Joni listeners. I must say though that TLOG is much better than I thought it would be. I love it and think it really is quite a unique recording. Steve NP: 'Lay Down Your Arms' - Belinda Carlisle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:29:29 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira In a message dated 8/6/2003 2:14:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > a. They were recorded in a span of what, seven years! that's more than > one per year (Her output after that was more like one album every 3 years). If she was solely a studio musician, that would be amazing enough, when you throw in all the touring she did, it becomes even more phenomenal. And she wanted to be a painter...yeah, right. > b. I theorized some time ago that Hejira was the last > album that Joni had > COMPLETE control over musically. I would say that WTRF was the first of her collaborative projects, although Joni would kick us both in the shins for speaking such blasphemy. How do you see DJRD as one that Joni didn't have COMPLETE control over? Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "James K. Polk" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:48:12 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira I guess I was thinking that beginning with DJRD, Jaco and Wayne (half of weather report) were in the studio with her (in real time). Not that they were necessarily deliberately exerting control, but it must have been somewhat intimidating. And then, on Mingus, there was Jaco, Wayne, and Herbie (not to mention the spirit of Mingus). I also think that, while sales of DJRD were impressive, many of her early fans lost interest in her AFTER buying the record (which is a bit more challenging musically, compared to her earlier work, defined (by me) as her first 8 studio albums). At 02:29 PM 8/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/6/2003 2:14:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > > > a. They were recorded in a span of what, seven years! that's more than > > one per year (Her output after that was more like one album every 3 years). > >If she was solely a studio musician, that would be amazing enough, >when you throw in all the touring she did, it becomes even more >phenomenal. And she wanted to be a painter...yeah, right. > > > b. I theorized some time ago that Hejira was the last > > album that Joni had > > COMPLETE control over musically. > >I would say that WTRF was the first of her collaborative projects, >although Joni would kick us both in the shins for speaking such blasphemy. > >How do you see DJRD as one that Joni didn't have COMPLETE control over? > >Bob > >NP: They Might Be Giants, "James K. Polk" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:50:48 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni albums Wow so different from my top 8! It's so cool that Joni has different sides and that everyone likes them. Oh Mia thanks for the 'Morning Morgantown' chords on JMDL. Very accurate. I'm getting on very well with it! Steve NP: 'Song Of The Magician' - Tim Buckley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mia ortlieb" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:08 AM Subject: re: Top 8 Joni albums > Here are mine, in order, but only as of today: > > 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > 2. For The Roses > 3. Song to a Seagull > 4. Ladies of the Canyon > 5. Turbulent Indigo > 6. Blue > 7. Wild Things Run Fast > 8. Night Ride Home > > Hope all you festers have a great time this weekend! > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:52:25 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: hejira Lori Fye wrote: >>your memory is stuffed. must be your age. >> >> > >Must be. After all, I am SIX MONTHS older than you!! > It makes all the difference! anyway, you forget, you are a woman.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:05:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums/Hejira In a message dated 8/6/2003 2:48:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > I guess I was thinking that beginning with DJRD, Jaco and Wayne (half of > weather report) were in the studio with her (in real time). Not that they > were necessarily deliberately exerting control, but it must have been > somewhat intimidating. True...I'm sure by now Joni had quit her method of telling her session players what she wanted them to play and basically let them roam free in the context of the song. More of a trust issue than a collaborative one, I would think. And I'm sure that if they came out with something that didn't suit her, she would exercise final veto power. ;~) I also think that, while > sales of DJRD were impressive, many of her early fans lost interest in her > AFTER buying the record (which is a bit more challenging musically, > compared to her earlier work, defined (by me) as her first > 8 studio albums). I remember when I first heard it, I felt like it was really out there...I loved it, but I knew that it was not going to be a "popular" record. Lucky for me, the DJ on WQDR in Raleigh also loved it, so it was in heavy rotation on the air for a long time and always felt like a hit to me. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Your Mom's All Right" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:06:32 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: hejira > It makes all the difference! anyway, you forget, you are a woman.... Ouch Giving you some love Lori :) Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tantra-apso" To: "Lori Fye" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: hejira > Lori Fye wrote: > > >>your memory is stuffed. must be your age. > >> > >> > > > >Must be. After all, I am SIX MONTHS older than you!! > > > It makes all the difference! anyway, you forget, you are a woman.... > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:56:16 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: joni and ani sjc Bob, Is that less than 60,000 copies of Travelogue sold worldwide? If so that is pretty disappointing and certainly won't encourage Joni to release new material. This months Record Collector mentions a forthcoming boxset from Joni in the 'news' section. Anybody heard anything? Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:22:43 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and ani sjc In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:56:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk writes: > This months Record Collector mentions a forthcoming > boxset from Joni in the 'news' section. Anybody heard > anything? Joe, I'm sure this is referencing the 4-CD reissue of the Geffen stuff. Don't really know any details about it, but it looks like soon you'll be able to hear DED and CMIARS in FULL & improved fidelity!! Yip yip yahootie. Bob NP: TMBG, "Cyclops Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:25:00 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: joni and ani sjc "joe farrell" wrote: > This months Record Collector mentions a forthcoming > boxset from Joni in the 'news' section. Anybody heard anything? I'm guessing that's all the geffen re-issues. I hope there are some bonus tracks! Steve NP: 'Good Friends' - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:45:12 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and ani sjc In a message dated 06/08/2003 20:53:11 GMT Daylight Time, joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk writes: > Is that less than 60,000 copies of Travelogue sold worldwide? > > If so that is pretty disappointing and certainly won't encourage Joni to > release new material. Another way of looking at it: It might encourage Joni to release NEW material! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:20:13 EDT From: bra811@aol.com Subject: top 8 I'm a compulsive list-maker, so I'm happy to get in on this... In order, with remarks: 1. Hejira: How could Joni know so much about me, we've never met! 2. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: "Paprika Plains" isn't long enough! 3. Shadows And Light: Metheny almost steals this album with his gorgeous solo 4. STAS: Reminds me of being a hippie (or was it "freak" by then...) 5. Taming The Tiger: For the longing, aching "Man From Mars" 6. Court And Spark: a cross-country voyage in the summer of '74 7. Ladies of the Canyon: see #4 8. Dog Eat Dog: I especially like the industrial noise sections in "3 Great Stimulants" and the dog art on the cover Jonifest people, have a great time, wish I could be there! Robert Minneapolis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:24:53 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: morning morgantown <> You're welcome Steve! But try this instead - The chords that I put in the intro -- try playing them also in the chorus where Joni sings "Buy your dreams a dollar down." I heard these chords played on another JOni bootleg, and I just haven't gotten around to updating my post. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:35:13 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: morning morgantown I've not tried it yet (my neighbour downstairs gets quite grumpy if you so much as breathe after 10PM) but in my head it sound's like it will fit much better. Mia you're a star! Steve T - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mia ortlieb" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: re: morning morgantown > < I'm getting on very well with it!>> > > You're welcome Steve! But try this instead - The chords that I put in the > intro -- try playing them also in the chorus where Joni sings "Buy your > dreams a dollar down." I heard these chords played on another JOni > bootleg, and I just haven't gotten around to updating my post. > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:41:52 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: JoniFests/Attendance Just catching up (before heading out...oh boy!) and had to laugh at the potato peeling quip of Catherine's. Just ask Wally and Mags about what a slave driver I am when it comes to making the potato salad. Too funny! Nikki, too. Taught that girl everything she knew about parsley! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:54 PM To: Lori Fye; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance --- Lori Fye wrote: > Maggie and whoever > helped her had to spend fairly significant chunks of > their fest time > doing food-related things, rather than enjoying the > music and > relaxing. It might sound fun to do the girl scout > thing with everyone > pitching in to cook, but personally, at age 45 Im > over that I was never into that at any age, LOL. Where there are potatoes to be peeled, you won't find me! > Plus, in years past those of us who werent lucky > enough to be able to > bed down in Asharas house or hearty enough to camp > in her backyard > rented motel rooms in nearby towns which, lovely as > they are, had to be > located again in the wee hours of the morning -- ask > Hell about riding > around with me half the night, looking for Mr. > Goodbar ... oh wait, we > were looking for our motel! ... and you can ask Jimmy and Les and Kerry about our quest to find Jimmy's hotel at 3:30 a.m. It was always in sight, but impossible to get to. If I had had a SUV, I could have just driven through a field and got straight to it. And oh yeah, we had to find out hotel after that too which was equally a mystery. I'm sure there's some kind of warp in the space/time continuum in that part of Mass. because I swear these buildings just come and go as they please - and I hadn't had a thing to drink but water either, so drunkenness isn't even a factor! I, for one, am looking forward to a place where no driving is involved. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:41:39 -0700 From: "Guy Brown" Subject: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks Ice Magazine Sept 2003 issue announces a box set containing 'flat transfers' of the original masters of WTRF, DED, CMRS, NRH with a 88 page booklet, a candid intro by Joni, her 'insightful liner notes' where she individually addresses 90% of the tracks, plus an unreleased piano and vocal version of 'Good Friends' and a demo of Dylan's 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' GUY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:02:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks this is great news! thank you for posting it, guy. i can't wait to hear good friends. i remember when i heard the piano-and-voice versions of impossible dreamer and dog eat dog, i was amazed at how much better those two songs sounded like that. unfortunately, i have them on tape and i don't have a tape player anymore :-( wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Guy Brown Enviado el: Miircoles, 06 de Agosto de 2003 09:42 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks Ice Magazine Sept 2003 issue announces a box set containing 'flat transfers' of the original masters of WTRF, DED, CMRS, NRH with a 88 page booklet, a candid intro by Joni, her 'insightful liner notes' where she individually addresses 90% of the tracks, plus an unreleased piano and vocal version of 'Good Friends' and a demo of Dylan's 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' GUY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:10:54 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Ani All great points, Kate. I remember when it came out in the LA Times magazine and Joni was on the cover in one of her most beautiful photos. This was the year she started touring again after a 15 year hiatus. So some of us thought we would be getting a fantastic Joni interview but instead we got Ani's, as she admits, agenda-driven tome. Ani's bright and brilliant but, IMO, she's still young and did not seem to appreciate that Joni *had* lived her life as a feminist, without the label, back in the time before women had many of the protections, regard and opportunities that women like Ani enjoy today. I think that even though Ani gives Joni praise as the "greatest," while she sorts of crticizes Joni as archaic, it comes off as a bit of lip service because Ani doesn't or isn't able to comprehend what Joni really went through as an artist and a woman. My first reaction was that Ani was trying to juxtapose herself with Joni, and her ultimate conclusion (or conceit) was that "I'm cool and current and Joni, though great, is not." I thought it was kind of yucky but on second reading years later, it doesn't irk as much. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:31:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:40:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guyb@rain.org writes: > where she individually > addresses 90% of the tracks, plus an unreleased piano and vocal version of > 'Good Friends' and a demo of Dylan's 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' > NOW we're talkin'! Thanks for the info Guy! I wonder if the "Baby Blue" is going to be the "preview" of the chord structure for "Not to Blame"? Anyways, I suppose I gotta get it now. Bob NP: Aretha, "Chain Of Fools" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:05:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni and Ani it's like they are both queens of their respective countries...lol... ani is now, to many female artists, as joni was to so many of my generation (& of course both are big influences of several generations by now)... of course each has a bit of 'tude' so i can see how the intended 'interview' might have gotten off on the wrong footing early on...with ani not really appreciating what it was like for joni back in the day & joni not appreciating ani's contributions to this day...well maybe next decade they can try again if either is willing....:~} its got such fabulous potential if both could only acknowledge the equality of the kingdom of the other's reign! lol... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:00:53 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Inner Circle Too good! Thanks for the laugh Ken. Miss you at the fest. Get thy West Coast Romp together! Best Paz > Had a little fun with this: > To the tune of The Circle Game > > Yesterday a fan came out to wonder > Caught a glimpse of Joni on the web > Hit a link but must have made a blunder > Ended up on some porno site instead > > Then the child moved on to Wallys main page > Found a link to Les's that he'd missed > Words, there, like jmdl would confuse him > And finally he'd join the Digest or the list > > And the topics they go round and round > Gays and church and politcs abound > Theres lots thats new that he won't understand > And one thing that he won't be told > Which will seam like a giant hurtle > He'll go round and round and round > Looking for the inner circle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:24:42 -0700 From: "Guy Brown" Subject: RE: Geffen Recordings 4 CD Box Sept 23rd - 2 unreleased tracks Earlier I wrote >> >>Ice Magazine Sept 2003 issue announces a box set >>containing 'flat transfers' of the original masters of >>WTRF, DED, CMRS, NRH with a 88 page booklet, a candid >>intro by Joni, her 'insightful liner notes' where she >>individually addresses 90% of the tracks, plus an >>unreleased piano and vocal version of 'Good Friends' >>and a demo of Dylan's 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' You know this is the first issue of legitimate 'bonus' material since 'Urge For Going' on the b-side of the '...I'm a Radio' single in 1974. Let the trickle swell to a mighty flood I say. GUY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:00:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 7 1994: Joni reappeared onstage on the last day of the Edmonton Folk Festival to sing one song with a group named Quartet. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Edmonton94.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:00:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 7 On August 7 the following article was published: 1979: "Back Pages" - Circus Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=717 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #249 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)