MANNLIST Digest 688

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) New tour dates?
	by "Frank Yang" [f2yang@hotmail.com]
  2) RE: Aimee in the new Rolling Stone! 
	by "Bachman, Michael" [Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com]
  3) Re: Keeper CDs
	by "Paul Barras" [sonichawk@hotmail.com]
  4) S.F. 1/25 set list
	by Achilles Gaubert [achilles@dm.net]
  5) Re: Aimee Mann in the new Rolling Stone!
	by "Lex Marks"[lex@inch.com]
  6) Re: OT Keeper CDs
	by Jim [103125.1703@compuserve.com]
  7) keeper cd's
	by Craig King [cking4h@yahoo.com]
  8) Column on Aimee Mann
	by Sidney Robert Stone [102573.2640@compuserve.com]
  9) RE: OT Keeper CDs
	by "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
 10) ALEXANDRIA help
	by jimmy [draper@umich.edu]
 11) Re: Aimee in the new Rolling Stone!
	by Achilles Gaubert [achilles@dm.net]
 12) Magnolia (Academy Screener DVD) Review
	by "Drew Harrington" [drewh@bitwise.com]
 13) Re: the frogs
	by SHWIM2@aol.com
 14) RE: OT Keeper CDs
	by "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
 15) Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
	by Danceland7@aol.com
 16) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Mark Wright" [yuma77@hotmail.com]
 17) Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
	by ElizaS33@aol.com
 18) Re: Keeper Cd's...
	by Danceland7@aol.com
 19) Re: Keeper CDs
	by Danceland7@aol.com
 20) Re: TT vs. Solo
	by ElizaS33@aol.com
 21) RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Bachman, Michael" [Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com]
 22) Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
	by "Daniel P. Melvold" [lovnros@idt.net]
 23) RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
 24) RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Mark Wright" [yuma77@hotmail.com]
 25) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Howard Semones" [soanim8ed@rmi.net]
 26) Re: Aimee Live! from Sundance tonight
	by Deb [indigo@mindspring.com]
 27) RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Cameron Smith" [cam@extraneous.demon.co.uk]
 28) Re: Aimee in the new Rolling Stone!
	by Beth Bachtold [bachtold@beta.usfca.edu]
 29) The "keepers" thread
	by MnnyMoNHak@aol.com
 30) Aimee Mann
	by "John Boyd" [accutron2000@hotmail.com]
 31) RE: The "keepers" thread
	by "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
 32) Re: The "keepers" thread
	by Zabadak900@aol.com
 33) RE: The "keepers" thread
	by Dominic Mah [Dominic@askjeeves.com]
 34) RE: The "keepers" thread
	by ElizaS33@aol.com
 35) More tour dates! (well, kinda...)
	by ElizaS33@aol.com
 36) Re: The "keepers" thread
	by GaryLBSP@aol.com
 37) RE: The "keepers" thread
	by Beth Bachtold [bachtold@beta.usfca.edu]
 38) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by Brwnshoe@aol.com
 39) Aimee Mann Stock
	by Brwnshoe@aol.com
 40) Re: Aimee Mann Stock
	by LoopyJF@cs.com
 41) Re: The "keepers" thread
	by Miz Phair [mannphan@yahoo.com]
 42) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by AWeiss4338@aol.com
 43) Re: The "keepers" thread
	by MnnyMoNHak@aol.com
 44) B#2 track sequence and comments on new songs
	by Mike Benning [musosf@yahoo.com]
 45) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by "Mark Wright" [yuma77@hotmail.com]
 46) "Artists Who Are Too Lame or Obscure to Have Their Own List" List?
	by Salt5@aol.com
 47) Re: The "keepers" thread
	by "Chris Beckwith" [beckwith@ime.net]
 48) Re: "Artists Who Are Too Lame or Obscure to Have Their Own List"
	List?
	by LoopyJF@cs.com
 49) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by AWeiss4338@aol.com
 50) Re: Aimee Mann
	by "Gary G." [zazbo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu]
 51) Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
	by Brwnshoe@aol.com
 52) Re: The "keepers" thread
	by Joe [bokomaru42@the-spa.com]
 53) Aimee Videos?
	by Brwnshoe@aol.com
 54) Re: Keeper CDs
	by Spencer Lewis [skilroy@earthlink.net]
 55) Re: S.F. 1/25 set list
	by "Sean  O'Brien" [seanobrn@worldnet.att.net]

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From: "Frank Yang" [f2yang@hotmail.com]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New tour dates?
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:35:06 PST
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Hi, career lurker here popping up to ask if anyone has info on more tour 
dates after the NYC shows?  I'm asking cause in this week's Now (Toronto's 
entertainment weekly rag), there's an ad in the concerts section declaring, 
"Aimee Mann (Featureed on the Magnolia soundtrack) coming soon!".  this 
implies to me that Aimee Mann is coming soon to toronto... a leap, but I'm 
comfortable with my conclusions.  So does anyone have an inside scoop as to 
further tour dates?  I'd imagine it'd be in the next month or so, by the end 
of February.

And I'm strictly an Aimee Fan, not crazy 'bout the Til Tuesday stuff, though 
I haven't heard all of it.

Back to lurk mode...

Frank

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Message-ID: [2513CDDD84CED211BAC60008C75D45B102CBA6F9@hqmail01.frc.com]
From: "Bachman, Michael" [Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com]
To: "'mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu'" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: Aimee in the new Rolling Stone! 
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:45:31 -0500
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Robyn Hitchcock is compared with Syd Barrett. Also, Kate Bush was
called the female Peter Gabriel in the 80's. You can make a case
for Tom Petty being compared to Roger McGuinn of The Byrds. However,
sometimes I think you can point to a groundbreaker artist spreading
seeds, something is going to pop up that looks a lot like the earlier
model.

Michael

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]]] It's like comparing Bruce Springsteen to Bob Seeger, I mean; maybe
there's
 ] something there, but why bother comparing the two?
 ] Or Costello to Bob Dylan or Tom Waits--this just does not happen for men.

Sure it does! Or else we wouldn't need the word "Beatlesque." 

Elizabeth

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From: "Paul Barras" [sonichawk@hotmail.com]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Keeper CDs
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:01:00 PST
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All solo Aimee Mann
Til Tuesday Everything's Different Now
All 3 Michael Penn CDs
R.E.M.  AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE
Erasure  I SAY I SAY
Toni Childs  UNION


]From: Brwnshoe@aol.com
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]CC: Brwnshoe@aol.com
]Subject: Re: Keeper CDs
]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 02:22:50 EST
]
]How could I have left off my list:
]
]"Plastic Ono Band"- John Lennon (JL's first solo, and by far the best solo
]Beatle album of all time)
]
]And thanks Terry, the 60's Bob Dylan WAS an awesome talent, my favorite:
]
]"Blonde on Blonde"
]

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Message-ID: [3891B9CE.9DC4C2AE@dm.net]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:46:22 -0800
From: Achilles Gaubert [achilles@dm.net]
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If you'd like the set list for the Jan 25 S.F. show @ Bimbo's, send me
an email and I'll get it to you this afternoon (PST).

Achilles Gaubert

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From: "Lex Marks"[lex@inch.com]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:49:22 +500
Subject: Re: Aimee Mann in the new Rolling Stone!
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Hello to all.
Thanks for your responses to my post about musical comparisons.
Please forgive my sounding so dogmatic; I should know better.
I guess I personally just don't like when people (artists, whatever; it
happens to me personally) are compared to eachother.  It's a pet peeve
of mine; I'm not sure why it bugs me so much--but it just does.  I guess
I feel that sometimes people have a need to compare things to stuff they
already know, as opposed to letting artists stand on their own merits.

IMO, it makes people more comfortable to make those comparisons. But in
some instances I'm sure those comparisons are totally valid. I do think
that it occurs more often with female than male artists--but it's a foolish
statement to say that it does not occur across the board.
Thanks again to all of you for sharing your opinions,
Lex

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:50:46 -0500
From: Jim [103125.1703@compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: OT Keeper CDs
To: "INTERNET:mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
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I would add:

Bruce Springsteen's Tunnel of Love
Crowded House's Together Alone
Matthew Sweet's Girlfriend
Grant Lee Buffalo's Mighty Joe Moon
10.000 Maniacs' Our Time in Eden

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Message-ID: [20000128164250.13502.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:42:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Craig King [cking4h@yahoo.com]
Subject: keeper cd's
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Hi everyone!  Forst time poster here.  I just recently
got into Aimee Mann as a result of the discussious of
all of the fine people on the Liz Phair mailing list. 
So, I thought I'd join in on this poll.  What can I
say, I'm a sucker for polls.  Here are the albums that
I couldn't do without in no particular order:

Aimee Mann - "I'm With Stupid"
ALL Stone Temple Pilots albums
ALL Liz Phair albums 
The Doors - "Strange Days"
Tom Petty - "Long After Dark"
Metallica - "Ride The Lightning"
Megadeth - "Countdown To Extinction"
Led Zeppelin - "Houses of the Holy"
Alice In Chains - "Jar of Flies" 
Scott Weiland - "12 Bar Blues"  

Craig

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:09:43 -0500
From: Sidney Robert Stone [102573.2640@compuserve.com]
Subject: Column on Aimee Mann
To: "INTERNET:mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
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There is a nice piece in the Orange County Register on Aimee today.  Ben
Wener's column "Gems" looks at forgotten and underrated albums every
Friday.  This week he writes about "Everything Is Different Now".   Nice
article that covers Aimee's transitional period between the end of Til
Tuesday and the start of her solo career.  It should be online now at
ocregister.com.  

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From: "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: OT Keeper CDs
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:18:53 -0800
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Howsabout piling these onto the list:

Freedy Johnston			CAN YOU FLY
Squeeze				ARGYBARGY
Prefab Sprout			STEVE MC QUEEN
Rolling Stones 			STICKY FINGERS
Bob Dylan				BLOOD ON THE TRACKS
Marshall Crenshaw			MARSHALL CRENSHAW
Richard & Linda Thompson	SHOOT OUT THE LIGHTS
Lou Reed 				NEW YORK
Bruce Springsteen			DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN
Tonio K.				LIFE IN THE FOODCHAIN
X					MORE FUN IN THE NEW WORLD
Todd Rundgren			BACK TO THE BARS
Stevie Wonder			SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE
Sam Phillips			THE INDESCRIBABLE WOW
Richard Buckner			SINCE
The Carpenters			SINGLES
Tom Waits				RAIN DOGS
Talking Heads			SPEAKING IN TONGUES
Loudon Wainwright III		THERAPY

Hey, I think this desert island wouldn't be so bad!

Steve

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I would add:

Bruce Springsteen's Tunnel of Love
Crowded House's Together Alone
Matthew Sweet's Girlfriend
Grant Lee Buffalo's Mighty Joe Moon
10.000 Maniacs' Our Time in Eden

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:35:00 -0500 (EST)
From: jimmy [draper@umich.edu]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ALEXANDRIA help
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can someone email me privately regarding the
supposedly 2nd show added in Alexandria? 
TM says it went on sale 1/5 (the first is sold
out), but when my friend called, it says it can't
sell tix. does this show even exist? thanksxjimmy 

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:38:00 -0800
From: Achilles Gaubert [achilles@dm.net]
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"most often, it's just a way
for reviewers to introduce someone to people who might
not know her.
Of course those that DO know of and love her will take
umbrage - no matter what the comparison."

You took the words right outta my mouth (fingers? keyboard?).
Comparisons -even when considered somewhat inaccurate by
those-in-the-know, are necessary to provide a basis for understanding.
Some of those comparisons mentioned aren't necessarily the best
examples, but then the fact that Aimee did a flawless impression of
Ethel Merman at the end of "No Myth" Tuesday night doesn't mean that an
accurate comparison is the best.


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From: SHWIM2@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:39:28 EST
Subject: Re: the frogs
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hey- well i know the frog thing has everyone puzzled, but reading PTA's 
explanation has cleared everything up, the whole movie, beginning with the 
random coincidences, and continuing with all of the tortured children and all 
of the sad predicaments the charcaters seemed to find themsleves inall led up 
this moment, which everyone has experieneced when suddenly life just doesn't 
make sense, and anything, even if someone said frogs were flying from the sky 
would be believable.   "You get to a point in your life, and shit is 
happening, and everything's out of your control,m and suddenly, a rain of 
frogs just makes sense.  you're staring at a doctor who's telling you 
something is wrong, and while we know what it is , we have no way of fixing 
it. and you just go, so what you're telling me, basically, is that its rainig 
frogs from the sky"  PTA

greg

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From: "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: OT Keeper CDs
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:41:30 -0800
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And I left out two musts:

Jules Shear		THE GREAT PUZZLE
Lucinda Williams	LUCINDA WILLIAMS

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I would add:

Bruce Springsteen's Tunnel of Love
Crowded House's Together Alone
Matthew Sweet's Girlfriend
Grant Lee Buffalo's Mighty Joe Moon
10.000 Maniacs' Our Time in Eden

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From: Danceland7@aol.com
Message-ID: [49.d336f1.25c35076@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:05:10 EST
Subject: Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
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I just got a copy of the new Shelby Lynn. I am anxious to go home and listen to it. That's 
what's great abou this list, being exposed to new music. I have afew recommendations...one is 
NAN VERNON's MANTA RAY album from 1996. She was "discovered" by Dave Stewart during the Spiritual 
Cowboy days and she released only one album (because noone bought it but me) but it's great. It's 
still in print and I know Tower Records carries it in NYC and online. ITS GREAT]

Jay

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From: "Mark Wright" [yuma77@hotmail.com]
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:07:05 PST
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Love - Forever Changes
Dream Syndicate - The Day Before Wine & Roses
Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers
Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
Sam Phillips - The Turning
Linton Kwesi Johnson - Forces of Victory
Mark Heard - Satelite Sky


]From: "Terry Ingalls" [tingalls@coastalnet.com]
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
]Subject: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:26:06 -0500
]
]Regarding keeper CDs:
]
]Aimee Mann - IWS, Whatever
]All Beatles
]The first 5 Elvis Costello CDs
]1st 3 Graham Parker CDs
]Nearly all of Dylan's 60s recordings, 70s Blood on the Tracks, 80s Infidels 
]and Oh Mercy
]Richard Thompson - Rumour and Sigh
]Tori Amos 1st 3 Cds
]Many Kate Bush
]Early Marti Jones
]World Party - Goodbye Jumbo and Bang
]
]
]There are many more...
]
]
]As far as TT, I really got on board with Coming Up Close. While it doesn't 
]approach her solo work, I remember being blown away by What about Love, 
]Will She just fall down, and the title track.  I was very pleased with 
]telescope as it paired 2 great singer/songwriters together.
]
]Terry
]

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From: ElizaS33@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:12:56 EST
Subject: Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
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]] I have
 afew recommendations...one is NAN VERNON's MANTA RAY album from 1996. She was
 "discovered" by Dave Stewart during the Spiritual Cowboy days and she
 released only one album (because noone bought it but me) but it's great.[[

Make that nobody bought it but the two of us. :-) Thanks for the reminder; I was fairly 
infatuated with that one for a while, but until this moment had completely forgotten about it. 
Will have to give it another listen.

She was also really charming in a ditzy way as a live performer...

Elizabeth

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From: Danceland7@aol.com
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Don't forget...

Altered Beast - Matthew Sweet
Girlfriend - Matthew Sweet
Life Is Sweet - Maria Mckee
Vibrator - Terence Trent D'arby
Symphony or Damn - Terence Trent D'Arby
Eroica - Wendy & Lisa
Girl Bros. - Wendy & Lisa
Help Yourself - Julian Lennon
Photograph Smile - Julian Lennon
Bellybutton - Jellyfish
Spilt Milk - Jellyfish

There are so many...so little time...
Jay

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From: Danceland7@aol.com
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Oh yeah...
ALL Jen Trynin's
Toni Childs - The Woman's Boat
Vic Chesnutt - about to choke

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From: ElizaS33@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:22:35 EST
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I just figured out my answer to this question! So I'm a bit slow...

I think I'm mostly a mid-period fan. While I love all her work (well, the Voices Carry album 
isn't without its drawbacks) the two that I find myself listening to regularly are Whatever and 
Everything's Different Now. She'd hit her stride as a truly remarkable songwriter by that point, 
and the emotional perspective was a bit softer and less relentlessly critical than much of her 
later work, which - although lord knows there's a place for criticism in the world, and nobody 
turns a phrase better than she - puts the later stuff in the "gotta be in the right mood to 
listen to it" category. For me, anyway.

"Magnolia" falls into the same category for me, but many of those songs are from the "Whatever" 
era, so I'm not sure what the current trend is!

Either way, it's all well worth having.

Elizabeth

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From: "Bachman, Michael" [Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com]
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Mark,

  Do you perfer The Turning to Sam's Martinis and Bikinis? I don't
have The Turning, but I have Martinis and Bikinis and Cruel 
Inventions.

Michael

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From: Mark Wright [mailto:yuma77@hotmail.com]
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Love - Forever Changes
Dream Syndicate - The Day Before Wine & Roses
Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers
Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
Sam Phillips - The Turning
Linton Kwesi Johnson - Forces of Victory
Mark Heard - Satelite Sky


]From: "Terry Ingalls" [tingalls@coastalnet.com]
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
]Subject: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:26:06 -0500
]
]Regarding keeper CDs:
]
]Aimee Mann - IWS, Whatever
]All Beatles
]The first 5 Elvis Costello CDs
]1st 3 Graham Parker CDs
]Nearly all of Dylan's 60s recordings, 70s Blood on the Tracks, 80s Infidels

]and Oh Mercy
]Richard Thompson - Rumour and Sigh
]Tori Amos 1st 3 Cds
]Many Kate Bush
]Early Marti Jones
]World Party - Goodbye Jumbo and Bang
]
]
]There are many more...
]
]
]As far as TT, I really got on board with Coming Up Close. While it doesn't 
]approach her solo work, I remember being blown away by What about Love, 
]Will She just fall down, and the title track.  I was very pleased with 
]telescope as it paired 2 great singer/songwriters together.
]
]Terry
]

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:55:24 -0800
Subject: Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
From: "Daniel P. Melvold" [lovnros@idt.net]
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I have that album as well

] From: ElizaS33@aol.com
] Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:12:56 EST
] To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] Subject: Re: OT: Shelby Lynne
] 
]]] I have
] afew recommendations...one is NAN VERNON's MANTA RAY album from 1996. She was
] "discovered" by Dave Stewart during the Spiritual Cowboy days and she
] released only one album (because noone bought it but me) but it's great.[[
] 
] Make that nobody bought it but the two of us. :-) Thanks for the reminder; I
] was fairly infatuated with that one for a while, but until this moment had
] completely forgotten about it. Will have to give it another listen.
] 
] She was also really charming in a ditzy way as a live performer...
] 
] Elizabeth
] 
] 

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From: "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:15:36 -0800
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Michael --

I'm butting in here, but THE TURNING is also a must have, though pretty
different from either IW or M&B.  It was the first album T-Bone produced and
her last as Leslie Phillips, which she recorded as when she was a Christian
artist -- whatever the hell that means.  Anyway, it is more overtly
spiritual than her other lp's.

Musically, it's more folky than poppy, pretty stripped down and acoustic.
The songs are all tuneful, but there are only hints of the more Beatle-esque
turn she would later take.  If you are familiar with T-Bone's work of the
late 80s -- on his own and with Peter Case and Tonio K. -- that should give
you a sense of the sound.  It's a beautiful record and has several of my
favorite songs of hers.

CRUEL INVENTIONS is also pretty great; not as consistent as any of the
above, but with several absolute classics.  The only album of hers I'm not
wild about is OMNIPOP, which is just kind of an experimental mess. And if
you ever have a chance to see her live, don't miss it -- she's amazing!

Steve

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[mailto:owner-mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Bachman, Michael
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:50 PM
To: 'mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu'
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Mark,

  Do you perfer The Turning to Sam's Martinis and Bikinis? I don't
have The Turning, but I have Martinis and Bikinis and Cruel
Inventions.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wright [mailto:yuma77@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:07 PM
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo


Love - Forever Changes
Dream Syndicate - The Day Before Wine & Roses
Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers
Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
Sam Phillips - The Turning
Linton Kwesi Johnson - Forces of Victory
Mark Heard - Satelite Sky


]From: "Terry Ingalls" [tingalls@coastalnet.com]
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
]Subject: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:26:06 -0500
]
]Regarding keeper CDs:
]
]Aimee Mann - IWS, Whatever
]All Beatles
]The first 5 Elvis Costello CDs
]1st 3 Graham Parker CDs
]Nearly all of Dylan's 60s recordings, 70s Blood on the Tracks, 80s Infidels

]and Oh Mercy
]Richard Thompson - Rumour and Sigh
]Tori Amos 1st 3 Cds
]Many Kate Bush
]Early Marti Jones
]World Party - Goodbye Jumbo and Bang
]
]
]There are many more...
]
]
]As far as TT, I really got on board with Coming Up Close. While it doesn't
]approach her solo work, I remember being blown away by What about Love,
]Will She just fall down, and the title track.  I was very pleased with
]telescope as it paired 2 great singer/songwriters together.
]
]Terry
]

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Message-ID: [20000128211729.98130.qmail@hotmail.com]
From: "Mark Wright" [yuma77@hotmail.com]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:17:29 PST
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Michael - I like Martinis and Bikinis about the same actually. The Turning 
was the last of her Leslie Phillips albums but was re-released a couple of 
years ago with a new name & cover. Its got terrific, intense songs. More 
religious undercurrent than later albums but not of an offputting sort. It's 
the album where she met T-Bone Burnett.
Mark

Other faves
Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
Los Lobos - Kiko
Fairport Convention - Heyday
Marti Jones - Live at Spirit Square
Mary-Chapin Carpenter - State of the Heart

]From: "Bachman, Michael" [Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com]
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: "'mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu'" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
]Subject: RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:50:06 -0500
]
]Mark,
]
]   Do you perfer The Turning to Sam's Martinis and Bikinis? I don't
]have The Turning, but I have Martinis and Bikinis and Cruel
]Inventions.
]
]Michael
]
]-----Original Message-----
]From: Mark Wright [mailto:yuma77@hotmail.com]
]Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:07 PM
]To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]Subject: Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
]
]
]Love - Forever Changes
]Dream Syndicate - The Day Before Wine & Roses
]Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers
]Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
]Sam Phillips - The Turning
]Linton Kwesi Johnson - Forces of Victory
]Mark Heard - Satelite Sky
]
]
] ]From: "Terry Ingalls" [tingalls@coastalnet.com]
] ]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] ]To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
] ]Subject: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
] ]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:26:06 -0500
] ]
] ]Regarding keeper CDs:
] ]
] ]Aimee Mann - IWS, Whatever
] ]All Beatles
] ]The first 5 Elvis Costello CDs
] ]1st 3 Graham Parker CDs
] ]Nearly all of Dylan's 60s recordings, 70s Blood on the Tracks, 80s 
]Infidels
]
] ]and Oh Mercy
] ]Richard Thompson - Rumour and Sigh
] ]Tori Amos 1st 3 Cds
] ]Many Kate Bush
] ]Early Marti Jones
] ]World Party - Goodbye Jumbo and Bang
] ]
] ]
] ]There are many more...
] ]
] ]
] ]As far as TT, I really got on board with Coming Up Close. While it 
]doesn't
] ]approach her solo work, I remember being blown away by What about Love,
] ]Will She just fall down, and the title track.  I was very pleased with
] ]telescope as it paired 2 great singer/songwriters together.
] ]
] ]Terry
] ]
]
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From: "Howard Semones" [soanim8ed@rmi.net]
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Michael and Mark,

Being a big Sam Phillips fan myself, I'd have to say that "The =
Indescribable Wow" to be my favorite album.  It was her first secular =
collection and she really seem to be free of all the problems she had =
while recording as Leslie.  It's very emotional.  Although I do love =
"Cruel Intentions" and enjoy "The Turning" and "Martinis & Bikinis".  I =
also agree about "Omnipop", very sporadic although I do love, 'Faster =
Pussycat To The Library'.

It's nice to hear from some Sam fans.

Howard
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  From: Mark Wright=20
  To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu=20
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:17 PM
  Subject: RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo


  Michael - I like Martinis and Bikinis about the same actually. The =
Turning=20
  was the last of her Leslie Phillips albums but was re-released a =
couple of=20
  years ago with a new name & cover. Its got terrific, intense songs. =
More=20
  religious undercurrent than later albums but not of an offputting =
sort. It's=20
  the album where she met T-Bone Burnett.
  Mark

  Other faves
  Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
  Los Lobos - Kiko
  Fairport Convention - Heyday
  Marti Jones - Live at Spirit Square
  Mary-Chapin Carpenter - State of the Heart

  ]From: "Bachman, Michael" [Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com]
  ]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
  ]To: "'mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu'" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
  ]Subject: RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
  ]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:50:06 -0500
  ]
  ]Mark,
  ]
  ]   Do you perfer The Turning to Sam's Martinis and Bikinis? I don't
  ]have The Turning, but I have Martinis and Bikinis and Cruel
  ]Inventions.
  ]
  ]Michael
  ]
  ]-----Original Message-----
  ]From: Mark Wright [mailto:yuma77@hotmail.com]
  ]Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:07 PM
  ]To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
  ]Subject: Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
  ]
  ]
  ]Love - Forever Changes
  ]Dream Syndicate - The Day Before Wine & Roses
  ]Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers
  ]Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
  ]Sam Phillips - The Turning
  ]Linton Kwesi Johnson - Forces of Victory
  ]Mark Heard - Satelite Sky
  ]
  ]
  ] ]From: "Terry Ingalls" [tingalls@coastalnet.com]
  ] ]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
  ] ]To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
  ] ]Subject: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
  ] ]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:26:06 -0500
  ] ]
  ] ]Regarding keeper CDs:
  ] ]
  ] ]Aimee Mann - IWS, Whatever
  ] ]All Beatles
  ] ]The first 5 Elvis Costello CDs
  ] ]1st 3 Graham Parker CDs
  ] ]Nearly all of Dylan's 60s recordings, 70s Blood on the Tracks, 80s=20
  ]Infidels
  ]
  ] ]and Oh Mercy
  ] ]Richard Thompson - Rumour and Sigh
  ] ]Tori Amos 1st 3 Cds
  ] ]Many Kate Bush
  ] ]Early Marti Jones
  ] ]World Party - Goodbye Jumbo and Bang
  ] ]
  ] ]
  ] ]There are many more...
  ] ]
  ] ]
  ] ]As far as TT, I really got on board with Coming Up Close. While it=20
  ]doesn't
  ] ]approach her solo work, I remember being blown away by What about =
Love,
  ] ]Will She just fall down, and the title track.  I was very pleased =
with
  ] ]telescope as it paired 2 great singer/songwriters together.
  ] ]
  ] ]Terry
  ] ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:42:07 -0500
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
From: Deb [indigo@mindspring.com]
Subject: Re: Aimee Live! from Sundance tonight
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At 04:05 PM 1/27/00 , you wrote:
]Aimee and others are doing a live webcast from Sundance tonight on www.vh1.com
]at 7:30 eastern time.

If you missed this, it has been archived at the site.

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From: "Cameron Smith" [cam@extraneous.demon.co.uk]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:18:29 -0800
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Seems to be a bit to think about...

Aimee or TT or both? It's hard to say but I'd agree with whoever said that
"Coming Up Close" paved the way for what was to follow. Being in the UK, we
never got "Voices Carry" and all the 80's video-era cliché baggage that goes
with it, so my experience started with Q Magazine's gushing review of
"Welcome Home" in '86, and I got sucked in there and then. EDN got great
reviews and I was drawn particularly to "Telescope" and "Why Must I?" among
others but the real revelation came with a sleepless night in early '93 when
I spotted somebody on MTV Europe who looked like Aimee, sounded like Aimee,
and indeed was the very same, and the video was for a song called "I
Should've Known" that I hadn't previously been aware of. I was so happy she
was still going; I was even happier that the material sounded so much more
assured than it had in the past. A couple of weeks later, Q Magazine whetted
my appetite with a cover CD featuring "4th of July" and I couldn't get my
hands on "Whatever" fast enough. It's been an obsessive thing since then,
but the seeds were sown many years earlier. I always liked her as a writer,
but as a band, I don't think 'Til Tuesday did her songs any great favours.

Keeper CDs?
All Aimee's stuff
Crowded House - Temple Of Low Men & Together Alone
October Project - October Project & Falling Farther In
Francis Dunnery - Tall Blonde Helicopter (I bought it on the same day as IWS
in Oct. '95 and it's always been mentally linked to it for no particularly
good reason)
Tori Amos - Under The Pink
Maria McKee - Life Is Sweet
Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen (or Two Wheels Good, as it's known outside the
UK)
Squeeze - Play
XTC - Skylarking & Apple Venus vol.1
Dead Can Dance - Toward The Within
Ani Difranco - Not A Pretty Girl
... and it's early days yet, but maybe Fiona Apple - When The Pawn... which
I haven't stopped playing for weeks

And here ends my questionable use of a Friday evening. Time to exploit
what's left of the social life, methinks.

Laters
Cameron Smith

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From: Beth Bachtold [bachtold@beta.usfca.edu]
Subject: Re: Aimee in the new Rolling Stone!

] but then the fact that Aimee did a flawless impression of
]Ethel Merman at the end of "No Myth" Tuesday night doesn't mean that an
]accurate comparison is the best.


i was there - it was an incredibly spiritual/sychronistic moment for me
when aimee channeled Ethel.
i, too, have a fondness for ethel mermen imitation.  but in this alter ego,
i am known to my special friends, as "bethel vermin."

beth

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From: MnnyMoNHak@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:57:25 EST
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I do so hate to be a crank, but this "keepers" thread threatens to tip the 
whole balance of the list dangerously OT. I've seen many a list before this 
one degenerate into "desert island discs" threads and unfortunately drive 
folks with less time on their hands away. Seems like there's way more than 
enough Aimee stuff going on right now without each of the hundreds of people 
on the list chiming in with their 50 favorite records of all time. Just my 
two cents before I start having to hit the delete button more regularly.

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From: "John Boyd" [accutron2000@hotmail.com]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Aimee Mann
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:19:36 EST
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Sorry for the lame Subject - I'm just not that creative...

I really enjoy reading this list - its great.  Id like to thank all the 
people who welcomed me last week when I posted for my first time.  I was 
kind of surprised when all these unfamiliar names appeared in my inbox.  
Very nice people.

Ive heard the song Susan on mp3 and it sounds kind of ...um... familiar.  
Where is that song from ?  Can you buy it some where - I dont think so but 
maybe.  Can someone please forward me a link to that track as I lost mine 
and would like to give it some people.  Thanks allot.

And - How many people are on this list ?  Id guess maybe 2000 but I really 
dont know.

Thanks again.

Word out,

JFB
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From: "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: The "keepers" thread
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:36:16 -0800
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Oh please, do we only have to talk about Aimee and nothing but Aimee all the
time?

I would hope that this list brings together people of diverse interests and
backgrounds who SHARE a passionate interest in Ms. Mann, and because -- not
in spite -- of that, I like hearing what other folks are listening to,
passionate about, etc.

I understand your concern, but let's not get too precious about it.  That's
what a delete button is for, after all, isn't it?

Steve

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To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: The "keepers" thread


I do so hate to be a crank, but this "keepers" thread threatens to tip the
whole balance of the list dangerously OT. I've seen many a list before this
one degenerate into "desert island discs" threads and unfortunately drive
folks with less time on their hands away. Seems like there's way more than
enough Aimee stuff going on right now without each of the hundreds of people
on the list chiming in with their 50 favorite records of all time. Just my
two cents before I start having to hit the delete button more regularly.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:40:55 EST
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Oh puleeeeze, git ovah it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DID type threads serve to build "family" on fan lists.
Lord knows that I've seen lists ripped apart by contention. However a 
"Fave-Rave"
 topic is hardly death-knell material.
PS. to whomever listed "early Marti Jones":  Bless You. she's one of the very 
few performers who've brought tears to my eyes when I saw her at the Bottom 
Line in NYC way too many years ago

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From: Dominic Mah [Dominic@askjeeves.com]
To: "'mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu'" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
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I concur. Although I think people should keep in mind that the primary
advantage of this list is its ability to facilitate "discussion," and
perhaps some of the keepers thread posts do look like those lists that
Entertainment Weekly makes ad nauseum. 

We could "talk" about a great many other things, such as-

-Steven, are you by change related to Prof. Robert Alter at UC Berkeley? His
son is a good friend of mine.

-When will more tour dates be announced?

-Who's read "Ghost World?" (the graphic novel that Aimee gushingly referred
to at the Bimbo's show the other night)

] -----Original Message-----
] From:	Steven E. Alter [SMTP:shteevea@earthlink.net]
] Sent:	Friday, January 28, 2000 3:36 PM
] To:	mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] Subject:	RE: The "keepers" thread
] 
] Oh please, do we only have to talk about Aimee and nothing but Aimee all
] the
] time?
] 
] I would hope that this list brings together people of diverse interests
] and
] backgrounds who SHARE a passionate interest in Ms. Mann, and because --
] not
] in spite -- of that, I like hearing what other folks are listening to,
] passionate about, etc.
] 
] I understand your concern, but let's not get too precious about it.
] That's
] what a delete button is for, after all, isn't it?
] 
] Steve
] 
] -----Original Message-----
] From: owner-mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] [mailto:owner-mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of
] MnnyMoNHak@aol.com
] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:57 PM
] To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] Subject: The "keepers" thread
] 
] 
] I do so hate to be a crank, but this "keepers" thread threatens to tip the
] whole balance of the list dangerously OT. I've seen many a list before
] this
] one degenerate into "desert island discs" threads and unfortunately drive
] folks with less time on their hands away. Seems like there's way more than
] enough Aimee stuff going on right now without each of the hundreds of
] people
] on the list chiming in with their 50 favorite records of all time. Just my
] two cents before I start having to hit the delete button more regularly.

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]]I understand your concern, but let's not get too precious about it.  That's
 what a delete button is for, after all, isn't it?[[

Butting in here... ;-) Indeed, that is what the delete button is for, and for huge long-term 
Aimee fans that's great. BUT I just unsubscribed from seven other mailing lists on Wednesday - 
for artists I quite like - because there was so much traffic about other bands the list seemed 
to like, etc. that it just wasn't worth the time or energy to hit the damn delete button anymore.

With much of the world just finding out that Aimee Mann exists, the concern that people will 
come here to learn something, lose interests in people's record collections, and move on is 
quite valid at this point. If anyone who's about to fall into that category is reading this, 
you might want to subscribe to the read-only newsletter through aimeemann.com rather than 
giving up entirely.

Speaking for myself rather than the public good, I don't mind off-topic threads at all, but 
in the case of favorite-CD threads like this one, more info would be great. A list of a bunch 
of records somebody likes doesn't really do me much good, but if the person speaks a bit about 
*why* they like it, maybe I'll be inspired to go out and buy it. Just a gentle suggestion...

Elizabeth

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From: ElizaS33@aol.com
Message-ID: [31.8301b2.25c3860a@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:53:46 EST
Subject: More tour dates! (well, kinda...)
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Dominic asked:
--When will more tour dates be announced?


Which reminded me, the message on Largo's machine today said Aimee and Michael will be back 
there in March.

Sorry for the multiple posts - I forgot about that crucial piece of information!

Elizabeth

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From: GaryLBSP@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:59:23 EST
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In a message dated 1/28/00 3:42:06 PM, Zabadak900@aol.com writes:

[[ Oh puleeeeze, git ovah it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DID type threads serve to build "family" on fan lists.
Lord knows that I've seen lists ripped apart by contention. However a 
"Fave-Rave"
 topic is hardly death-knell material. ]]

Agreed!  I love to have albums and artists recommended by those with similar 
taste --  one of the best perks of fan lists.  I would much rather go off on 
this tangent than debate the Magnolia frogs for the THOUSANDTH time...

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From: Beth Bachtold [bachtold@beta.usfca.edu]
Subject: RE: The "keepers" thread

]i have started Ghost World, and as she said it is "un-F**ing
]believable."the song is a beautiful addition.  bb





I concur. Although I think people should keep in mind that the primary
]advantage of this list is its ability to facilitate "discussion," and
]perhaps some of the keepers thread posts do look like those lists that
]Entertainment Weekly makes ad nauseum.
]
]We could "talk" about a great many other things, such as-
]
]-Steven, are you by change related to Prof. Robert Alter at UC Berkeley? His
]son is a good friend of mine.
]
]-When will more tour dates be announced?
]
]-Who's read "Ghost World?" (the graphic novel that Aimee gushingly referred
]to at the Bimbo's show the other night)
]
]] -----Original Message-----
]] From:	Steven E. Alter [SMTP:shteevea@earthlink.net]
]] Sent:	Friday, January 28, 2000 3:36 PM
]] To:	mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]] Subject:	RE: The "keepers" thread
]]
]] Oh please, do we only have to talk about Aimee and nothing but Aimee all
]] the
]] time?
]]
]] I would hope that this list brings together people of diverse interests
]] and
]] backgrounds who SHARE a passionate interest in Ms. Mann, and because --
]] not
]] in spite -- of that, I like hearing what other folks are listening to,
]] passionate about, etc.
]]
]] I understand your concern, but let's not get too precious about it.
]] That's
]] what a delete button is for, after all, isn't it?
]]
]] Steve
]]
]] -----Original Message-----
]] From: owner-mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]] [mailto:owner-mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of
]] MnnyMoNHak@aol.com
]] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:57 PM
]] To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]] Subject: The "keepers" thread
]]
]]
]] I do so hate to be a crank, but this "keepers" thread threatens to tip the
]] whole balance of the list dangerously OT. I've seen many a list before
]] this
]] one degenerate into "desert island discs" threads and unfortunately drive
]] folks with less time on their hands away. Seems like there's way more than
]] enough Aimee stuff going on right now without each of the hundreds of
]] people
]] on the list chiming in with their 50 favorite records of all time. Just my
]] two cents before I start having to hit the delete button more regularly.


Beth Bachtold
USF/CCAC Joint Degree Program/USF Cooperative BFA Program
415-703-9504
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From: Brwnshoe@aol.com
Message-ID: [79.f52bca.25c38a0f@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:10:55 EST
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In a message dated 01/28/2000 2:30:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
cam@extraneous.demon.co.uk writes:

[[ I spotted somebody on MTV Europe who looked like Aimee, sounded like Aimee,
 and indeed was the very same, and the video was for a song called "I
 Should've Known" ]]

Does anyone know where you can get this video? Or, for that matter, any other 
Aimee videos?

Steve

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From: Brwnshoe@aol.com
Message-ID: [bb.c66262.25c38fa1@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:34:41 EST
Subject: Aimee Mann Stock
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Well, it may have been a terrible day for the stock market today, but Aimee 
Mann was up 2 1/2!

Steve

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From: LoopyJF@cs.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:37:10 EST
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Great day for me too. I bought Aimee stock yesterday.

Loopy

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Message-ID: [20000129011757.11512.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:17:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Miz Phair [mannphan@yahoo.com]
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I know I'm prolonging response to this, but I'd just
like to say that if not for Aimee Mann posts on the
Liz Phair list (and as fellow listees can attest there
have been A LOT lately to other listees' fellow
regret), I wouldn't have given Aimee another go.

I appreciate hearing what others like so I can try out
their music. If they like who I like already, it's a
better head start than just going by Rolling Stone et
al.

paige-
NP: Pavement (Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain) - another OT
recommendation I'm trying out ... and liking.

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From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:41:00 EST
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I love all of Sam's albums too, don't have the Turning, but someone from the 
Sam list is sending me a comp of her Leslie days, which will include some of 
the stuff from the Turning.  I have 4 Leslie tracks from some one else and 
there....interesting.  Quite diffrent, not bad but some of it's pretty cheesy.
Omnipop took me awhile to warm up to but now I love it as I say.  it's her 
most expermential album and quite contrasty after martini's and Bikini's.
Andrea

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From: MnnyMoNHak@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:44:44 EST
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[[I know I'm prolonging response to this, but I'd just
like to say that if not for Aimee Mann posts on the
Liz Phair list (and as fellow listees can attest there
have been A LOT lately to other listees' fellow
regret), I wouldn't have given Aimee another go.

I appreciate hearing what others like so I can try out
their music. If they like who I like already, it's a
better head start than just going by Rolling Stone et
al.

paige-]]

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against using this forum to write, "If you 
like Aimee, you might dig the new Liz Phair or Shelby Lynne or Anne-Sophie 
von Otter album" or whatever. Turning each other onto obscure new releases is 
a good--nay, grand--thing. I just don't get wasting the bandwidth and each 
other's time to reiterate that the Beatles and Stones made some of the best 
albums of all time and other such "High Fidelity"-esque listmaking. (Thank 
you, Elizabeth S, for getting what I'm trying to say and restating it more 
charitably.)

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Message-ID: [20000129014637.7728.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:46:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Benning [musosf@yahoo.com]
Subject: B#2 track sequence and comments on new songs
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I picked up a copy of the full-length B#2 CD at the SF concert this
past Tuesday, and it contained a couple of surprises.  First of all,
the "Susan" vs. "I Can See It Now" debate is solved: on the disc, the
track is named "Susan" (although aimeemann.com still lists the track as
"I Can See It Now".)

Also, I was surprised to find the track sequence to be different than
what's listed on aimeemann.com.  Here's the actual track list:

How Am I Different
Nothing is Good Enough
Red Vines
The Fall of the World's Own Optimist
Satellite
Deathly
Ghost World
Calling It Quits
Driving Sideways
Just Like Anyone
Susan
It Takes All Kinds
You Do

I actually like this sequence better, because it preserves the order of
the first five tracks from the preview disc.  I didn't realize how
accustomed I'd become to that order until I began listening to the
full-length disc and realized I was anticipating the beginning of each
next song after one had ended.

Of the three tracks not previously contained on the preview disc or on
Magnolia, my favorite so far is Ghost World.  I really enjoyed this one
when Aimee performed it live, and it bears repeated listenings.  It's
an uptempo track that to me wouldn't sound out of place on Everything's
Different Now.  The choruses are typical Aimee brilliance: the lyrics
are pure teenage angst, while the melody beautifully rises and falls
along with the protagonist's hopes.  I enjoy this song so much that I
went out and bought Daniel Clowes' "Ghost World", which was Aimee's
original inspiration.  I've never before bought a graphic novel, but I
read this one last night and really enjoyed it.  It was funny, moving
and best of all, authentic.  And Aimee's song perfectly captures its
essence.

My second favorite of the three new songs is Susan.  I very much enjoy
the lyrical approach Aimee has taken with this one.  Most "name" songs
are either all about the person named (as in Aimee's "Mr. Harris" or
Costello/McCartney's "Veronica") or about the singer's relationship to
the person named (Aimee's "Ray" or Costello's "Alison").  But in this
case, Aimee twists these conventions.  The lyrics are about a failed
relationship with a third party, yet Aimee manages to convey what an
important confidant Susan is to the singer.  She does this in subtle
ways: by using the nickname "Suzy" in the second verse and by referring
to how well Susan had assessed the situation beforehand.  Add to this a
buoyant uptempo groove and a nice guitar lick, and you have another gem
of an Aimee song.  I'm also glad the final name is Susan and not I Can
See It Now.  The latter seems more like a "typical" Aimee title (a la I
Could Hurt You Now, No One Is Watching You Now, You're With Stupid
Now), while the former emphasizes the unique lyrical approach by
creating expectations that the lyrics are about Susan when actually
they are not.

It Takes All Kinds hasn't yet excited me as much as the other two, but
perhaps it will grow on me.  It's a mellow song that in my opinion is
outshone by other ballads such as Deathly, Satellite and You Do (not to
mention Wise Up and Save Me, but those aren't on the album).  I do like
the way the lyric about listening to Bacharach literally evokes the
musical Bacharach references in the arrangement.  Listening to this
made me more sensitive to the Bacharach-like flourishes in other songs
such as Satellite.  While I can imagine this song being used as an
album closer, I'm glad that You Do holds that spot instead as I enjoy
You Do much more.

Anyway, that's what three days of repeated listenings have produced. 
To everyone attending the ten remaining shows: have fun and please post
details to the list!  I can't wait to hear about what new twists/guests
show up as the tour progresses.

- Mike
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From: "Mark Wright" [yuma77@hotmail.com]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:55:17 PST
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There are four Leslie albums altogether. Turning is the only one worth 
bothering about, except maybe to see how far she's come. Mark


]From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]Subject: Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
]Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:41:00 EST
]
]I love all of Sam's albums too, don't have the Turning, but someone from 
]the
]Sam list is sending me a comp of her Leslie days, which will include some 
]of
]the stuff from the Turning.  I have 4 Leslie tracks from some one else and
]there....interesting.  Quite diffrent, not bad but some of it's pretty 
]cheesy.
]Omnipop took me awhile to warm up to but now I love it as I say.  it's her
]most expermential album and quite contrasty after martini's and Bikini's.
]Andrea
]

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From: Salt5@aol.com
Message-ID: [d9.8a5ffb.25c3a349@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:58:33 EST
Subject: "Artists Who Are Too Lame or Obscure to Have Their Own List" List?
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Please refer to Off Topic posts as OT in the headline. Better yet, start 
another list. Many fans are waiting eagerly for additional Aimee tour dates 
and it's not fair to make them wade through your thoughts on other artists 
and topics. If you think (as at least one person seemed to) that a mailing 
list devoted only to Aimee Mann is inappropriate or limiting in some way, 
please feel free to find a venue which suits your own interests and passions. 
Think I'm being cranky? I suggest that you go into your email archives and 
add up the recent posts from this list. Then add up the off-topic spam 
entries and compare the total with the number of entries that discussed 
anything at all connected with Aimee and her music. By my rough count, Aimee 
is running dead last in this inventory of her own list.
What's wrong with this picture?

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Message-ID: [00b001bf69fd$d84b0220$23fb5ad1@a]
From: "Chris Beckwith" [beckwith@ime.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: Re: The "keepers" thread
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Elizabeth [ElizaS33@aol.com] wrote:

| I just unsubscribed from seven other mailing lists on Wednesday - for artists
I quite like - because there was so
| much traffic about other bands the list seemed to like, etc. that it just
wasn't worth the time or energy to hit the
| damn delete button anymore.

I think *every* list goes through periods when there are a lot of off-topic
posts.  These are generally therapeutic--when there's not a lot going on with
an artist they keep people involved and the list active.  What I generally
recommend is for those who don't care for digressions from the subject at hand
to scan the archives periodically for content more connected to their needs.
That said, this *is* an odd time to be veering off-topic! :)

| in the case of favorite-CD threads like this one, more info would be great.

There *has* been by and large a certain lack of specificity about the "desert
island discs" thread, hasn't there?  Perhaps restricting oneself to a disc at a
time (as I did with the Shelby Lynne disc, thus starting an off-topic thread of
my own--DOH!:) would be helpful.  In my mind I sort of justified discussing
Shelby because her Conan appearance was imminent and I wanted to let folks who
might be open to it to get a chance to catch it.  For the most part, though, I
try to restrict off-topic content to my signature.

And in my never-ending quest to submit *something* relevant, I played the
Magnolia stk today for a friend and long-time Aimee fann and sold him on it.

Take care,
Chris

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From: LoopyJF@cs.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:14:26 EST
Subject: Re: "Artists Who Are Too Lame or Obscure to Have Their Own List"
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I agree 100%.
 I have been a Aimee Fan since the first Til Tuesday lp, and I was thrilled 
to find mannlist a few weeks ago when I got my computer, But every day I go 
through between 20 and 30 emails from mannlist with only half or less being 
about Aimee.

Having "if you like Aimee you might like (---?---)" is one thing, but pages 
and pages of info and related news on Non-Aimee artists is another.

Please Please Please Everyone put OT in the subject line if you want to 
discuss non- Aimee Issues, so The True Aimee Fans can save some time.

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From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
Message-ID: [4d.119d6e4.25c3a702@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:14:26 EST
Subject: Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
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Yes Mark I know about the early Sam stuff, she has come a long way.  A very 
long way.
I like some OT discussions more than others.  I was kind of board by the 
Frogs discussion but I do like the DID one.  Always intersting those threads, 
even if the albums are overtly familur.  Always cool to see someone name an 
album and go, "hey they like that one cool, so do I."
Besides the tour is just starting ab\nd stuff like this is just a lull.  When 
the tour really get's going we'll have lot's to post on the 'Largo On The 
Road,' 'Largostock,'
Largo Faire,' ok I'll stop :).
Andrea

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:16:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gary G." [zazbo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu]
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Aimee Mann
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, John Boyd wrote:

] And - How many people are on this list ?  Id guess maybe 2000 but I really 
] dont know.

**450, as of Friday evening.

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From: Brwnshoe@aol.com
Message-ID: [7b.f68622.25c3c025@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:01:41 EST
Subject: Re: keeper CDs / TT vs. Solo
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As the one who originally asked the question about Keeper CDs, let me clarify 
something.

I never intended this thing to veer off to a discussion of what CDs one would 
take to a desert island. What prompted the question was that the Aimee solo 
CDs are, in my opinion, rare in that they contain NO weak tracks- EVERY song 
can stand on its own. Perhaps I am a bit more discriminating than others, but 
I just do not think that there are that many CDs that fit this category. I 
mean, how many CDs are there where, when you hear one song, you KNOW what the 
next cut will be? How many are there where you know EVERY song? As I said in 
my original post, Beatle albums and a few others qualify (Aimee included). 
There is a difference between saying I love this or that CD and saying that 
EVERY song on a CD is great. There are many "favorite" CDs that also include 
weak tracks. I think that most everyone that is an Aimee fan has come to 
realize that her solo efforts have been nothing short of sensational, and the 
point of the question was to find out what kind of company Aimee deserves to 
be included in.

That being said, I would like to thank everyone that takes part in the makeup 
of the Mannlist. I've been a part of this thing for just a few weeks and the 
information contained in here about Aimee is amazing. I've only been an Aimee 
fan for about 5 years and before I got a computer (2 years ago) and found the 
Mannlist (recently) I was dying for Aimee information.

Having seen the Aimee/Michael concert in SF this week, I look forward to 
hearing about their shows as the tour proceeds.

Steve 

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Message-ID: [38926E27.10824A0D@the-spa.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:35:58 -0500
From: Joe [bokomaru42@the-spa.com]
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Hey folks,

    I have to respectfully agree with those who use this list not only for Aimee
news and schmooze but also to try to help and be helped by others to avoid
spending cash on CD's (of sub-Aimee quality) that they do not like.  One person
made a good distinction also between just listing faves and giving some clues as
to why a certain record is great in order to provide a more reliable barometer
for each other.  That being said, here's a clue as to my biases before I submit
yet another top ten list of my favorite cd's of the 1990's.  My criteria, which
Aimee Mann meets so fully, are:  Great Melodies, great harmonies, melodic guitar
playing without droning mechanical solos ad nauseum, lyrics befitting my
advanced age of 36, some JANGLE in the preferably Fender guitars,  and more
generally , music that is in the rather distinct Power Pop tradition ushered in
by great bands like Big Star.  Now if  you still trust me, check these great
discs out.....

1. Frosting On The Beater-Posies (For Marijuana enthusiasts out there try
blaring the last track on this disc after a puffy if your Bass speakers can
handle the surge)
2. SF American Music Club  (keep the suicide hotline number handy for the dark
poetry of Mark Eitzel)
3. I'm With Stupid-Aimee Mann (No tip necessary)
4. Great Divide-Semisonic (their latest pales in comparison)
5. Exile In Guyville
6. Girlfriend-Matthew Sweet
7. Puzzle-DaDa  (most underrated band ever except for Hmmmmm guess who)
8. Yeah, It's that Easy (not quite Power POp)
9. Bettie Serveert-Bettie Serveert
10. Bandwagonesque-Teenage Fanclub  (These guys must have a million listens in
on Alex Chilton & Big Star)


have a good weekend everyone
Joe Oliverio
Awaiting the Feb 12th show in Boston

MnnyMoNHak@aol.com wrote:

] [[I know I'm prolonging response to this, but I'd just
] like to say that if not for Aimee Mann posts on the
] Liz Phair list (and as fellow listees can attest there
] have been A LOT lately to other listees' fellow
] regret), I wouldn't have given Aimee another go.
]
] I appreciate hearing what others like so I can try out
] their music. If they like who I like already, it's a
] better head start than just going by Rolling Stone et
] al.
]
] paige-]]
]
] Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against using this forum to write, "If you
] like Aimee, you might dig the new Liz Phair or Shelby Lynne or Anne-Sophie
] von Otter album" or whatever. Turning each other onto obscure new releases is
] a good--nay, grand--thing. I just don't get wasting the bandwidth and each
] other's time to reiterate that the Beatles and Stones made some of the best
] albums of all time and other such "High Fidelity"-esque listmaking. (Thank
] you, Elizabeth S, for getting what I'm trying to say and restating it more
] charitably.)

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From: Brwnshoe@aol.com
Message-ID: [32.8888e5.25c3c6fe@aol.com]
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:30:54 EST
Subject: Aimee Videos?
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In a message dated 01/28/2000 2:30:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
cam@extraneous.demon.co.uk writes:

[[ I spotted somebody on MTV Europe who looked like Aimee, sounded like Aimee,
 and indeed was the very same, and the video was for a song called "I
 Should've Known" ]]


Does anyone know where you can this video?

Steve

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:46:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Keeper CDs
From: Spencer Lewis [skilroy@earthlink.net]
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Jeff Buckley - Grace
Michael Penn - Free for All
Bettie Seveert - Palomine
Jen Trynin - Gun Shy Trigger Happy
Throwing Muses - University
Aimee - IWS

sl

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From: "Sean  O'Brien" [seanobrn@worldnet.att.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: Re: S.F. 1/25 set list
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:06:21 -0500
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PLease e-mail setlist
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Achilles Gaubert [achilles@dm.net]
To: Aimee Mann Mail List [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 10:46 AM
Subject: S.F. 1/25 set list


] If you'd like the set list for the Jan 25 S.F. show @ Bimbo's, send me
] an email and I'll get it to you this afternoon (PST).
] 
] Achilles Gaubert
] 
] 

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