From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #342 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 342 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- CD PLAYER PROBS (NJC) [Evian ] Re: NE-Jonifest--many thanks!!!! [Bolvangar@aol.com] Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Roseanne Cash (NJC) [Evian ] piano tuning (NJC) [Howard Wright ] TTT reviews - Is it Jazz? Is it Folk? Is it pop? [Howard Wright ] Come in from the cold [Gertus@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #341 [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Fwd: Roseanne Cash (NJC) [Denisongs@aol.com] Re: Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Roseanne Cash (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC) TTT reviews - Is it Jazz? Is it Folk? Is it pop? [LRFye@aol.com] NJC happy birthday rob! ["Barbara Burst" ] Today in Joni History - September 5 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - September 7 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - September 6 [Today in Joni History ] RE:from Billboard [Bounced Message ] re : jonifest [Bounced Message ] RE: Defending Jane [Bounced Message ] Re: HH: Plug Of The Week #36 [Bounced Message ] EC on Joni Tribute Album [Bounced Message ] How Do You Stop [Bounced Message ] The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: Phoebe Snow [Mike Friedman ] Jim & John [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! [heather ] Another Coupon [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: More Jonifest pictures ["Steven A. Blue" ] Re: Spoiled music ["Derrick ~" ] Jonifestcam [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] bringing back the madness [JJM ] more jonifest ne [trxschwa ] Photographic Memo-reeez Part One ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: RE: Defending Jane [Marilune@aol.com] It's the End of the Summer (njc) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: It's the End of the Summer (njc) [Marsha ] On-line CDs and Soundscan [Les Irvin ] Hi Everyone! (SJC) [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:53:08 -0600 From: Evian Subject: CD PLAYER PROBS (NJC) Oh no! What does it mean if, when you first put a CD in, you hear a repeated funny little high-pitched whirring squeaking noise? And when you play the CD, there's noise and skips and momentary stuck places (not subtle - unlistenable). Can anyone help? Hi Deb, I just went through that same hell with the cd player on my computer. It would make that whirling noise, then it would skip and stop, and freeze my screen up. Eventually, it got to the point where my computer said that my cd rom wasn't detected. I took it in to the shop, and they replaced the whole cd rom.... on the LAST day of my warrantee!!!! I am not sure what this means on your cd player, but you should get it checked out! Good luck! Evian NP: "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow", since I am in mourning here that I couldn't be a part of Jonifest and get to sit around Ashara's GORGEOUS kitchen!!!!!!! How about a repeat party next summer Ashara?? I will start saving pennies!!! :) Hell, let me cook in that beautiful room for all of you! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:56:40 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: NE-Jonifest--many thanks!!!! I'm exhausted (I flew out of Boston at 8:00 am Sunday) and incoherent...but may not get another chance to post while the event at Ashara's is still fresh in my weary mind.... Julie was right in observing a couple weeks ago that this Jonifest would be more performance-centered than the first, with so many musicians in attendance. I'm in awe again of Marian on guitar -- she makes it look so easy. Her Cotton Avenue is incredible. And she's always willing to tutor. Claud Sans Souci (sp? -- I hope) did a great version of Conversation and then some terrific original songs (I think they were?)...a couple of lines are still powerfully running through my head. And Michael Paz -- a master on guitar, piano, voice, AND barbecue (he made some great shrimp). Bryan Thomas is an incredible performer!!! The Joni I play is just a reproduction -- Bryan really interprets her songs: really makes the song his own. I loved his Big Yellow Taxi. And Chuck's Rainy Night House. Not that the non-musical part of the fest wasn't a blast. Marsha (Mom now) kept me laughing all night again -- even when talking about her marital status change -- her spirit is infectious. Julie presiding over the raffle was a highlight of the event. And as for Ashara -- her posts on the list show her caring, spiritual side -- but in person her boisterous Jewish-mother side, which I hadn't predicted, also comes to the fore...it was a real treat to meet you, Ashara! And thanks to Katie for the trivia game and Maggie for food and Pearl and Ric for party favors....I'm sorry for leaving anyone out -- I'm just too sleep-deprived to continue, but it was so great to see so many people for the second or third time and so many for the first. Would you believe we topped (??) our previous a cappella Shadows and Light by inhaling helium balloons during the performance this time? I love the grain-of-rice JMDL amulets...I think maybe they ward off the evil spirit of David Geffen?.... ;) I'm leaving tomorrow morning...but keeping this e-mail account (Bolvangar@aol.com) active and hopefully will be able to check mail from England or have it forwarded to me once I get an address there. Best to all, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:59:55 -0600 From: Evian Subject: Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Roseanne Cash (NJC) Hi all, I see there has been some discussion of Lucinda Williams on the list recently. So, I just wanna know if there are any Mary-Chapin Carpenter fans out there as well. I HATE basically anything that is labelled "country", but hot damn, Mary rocks!!!! "Come on, Come on" is such an excellent album, as well as "Stones From the Road." As well, any Roseanne Cash fans out there too? I love the song... hmmm, can't think of the title.."what we need?" "What we really want?" Anyway, its on her INTERIORS album. BTW, does anyone know if INTERIORS is deleted? I cannot find it in Canada to save my life! Evian NP: "The Boho Dance", and I am belting it out like nobodies' business, since I am trying to have a little bit of Jonifest by myself! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:32:52 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Phoebe Snow It's 1:00am here in Santa Cruz, California. Full moon night, warm and balmy. We just got home from a Phoebe Snow concert and my heart is still pounding! Phoebe's third song was "A Case of You." She said many times before singing the song, "I Love Joni" and then said, "She's one of the great geniuses of the 20th Century." "But I knew what was happening I knew I was a genius..." Since I wasn't able to fly to Boston to party with all you fine folk, the next best thing was being at a Phoebe Snow concert. Please don't miss her show if you get the opportunity. She's beautifully awesome and a huge Joni fan! If you can't see her live, buy her new CD, "I Can't Complain" - "A Case of You" is on it. Can't wait to boogie down in Colorado, August, 1999. Also looking forward to meeting Bill and Sherrie in DC on Sept. 15. Leslie Leslie Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:10:13 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: piano tuning (NJC) From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re alternate tunings (NJC) Howard wrote: <> > The piano can already play the whole tone scale though. You could tune >*all* the strings on a piano to the whole tone scale, but anything you >could play on that piano would be playable on a regular piano, while the >reverse would not be the case. Or do we mean different things by "whole >tone scale"? > >- --David I think we have the same "whole tone scale" in mind. But, it's not quite true to say that anything you can play on a "whole tone tuned" piano could also be played on a traditionally-tuned piano. For example, on a whole-tone piano, you could play a chord with one hand spanning two octaves (as the notes are now twice as far apart as usual), so with two hands you could build up chords that span wider intervals than are possible with a "normal" piano. Maybe a better example of alternate piano tunings was the one I just read on the list about chinese opera using quarter-tone tuned pianos - fascinating! This would certainly open up musical possibilities that are not usually available to the pianist. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:17:40 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: TTT reviews - Is it Jazz? Is it Folk? Is it pop? Taming The Tiger: Is it Jazz? Is it Folk? Is it Pop? No! It's Joni Mitchell! I have to say I find it a little irritating, and somewhat pointless, to read reviews from magazines etc that start off trying to define whether TTT is jazz or pop or whatever. It has become something of an obsession with music critics when they talk about Joni. No doubt because she was (improperly) labelled a "folkie" in the early days, was then branded (again, inaccurately) as a "jazzer" in the mid/late 70s, people are constantly arguing about what her music is or is not. Why bother? Is the music good? Does it touch you? Is it exciting, depressing, moving, comforting, challenging? Is it simple guitar and voice, or are the arrangements more complex? These are the kind of question I'm interested in. Joni's music has influences from many places - including jazz, folk, classical. To try and say that TTT is "more jazz than folk" is about as useful as saying that Van Gogh's sunflowers has "more yellow than red". Howard (Ok, that's enough ranting from me for one day!) ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Formula music, girly guile Genuine junk food for juveniles Up and down the dial Mercenary style - Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: piano tuning (NJC) Howard M. wrote: > A piano could be tuned in all sorts of ways - the notes don't *have* to be in > chromatic order why not tune a piano using a whole tone scale? David wrote: > The piano can already play the whole tone scale though. You could tune *all* > the strings to the whole tone scale... Howard W. wrote: > on a whole-tone piano, you could play a chord with one hand spanning > two octaves (as the notes are now twice as far apart as usual), so with two > hands you could build up chords that span wider intervals than are possible > with a "normal" piano. Just want to muddy the waters and ask if it would be possible to tune a piano in whole tones in the first place? The frame of a modern grand piano is designed to support string tension - and accomodate string length - in accordance with the chromatic tuning system. My guess is that if you started to re-tune a piano in whole tones from the low A up, the strings would start breaking before you hit Middle C. (Consider that the strings of a piano involve so much tension that a cast-iron frame is required to support it.) One big difference between re-tuning a piano and re-tuning a guitar (or bass, or violin) is that a guitar can be changed back to standard tuning - or another alternate one - fairly quickly; it would take at least an hour to re-tune a piano... Howard W. wrote: > Maybe a better example of alternate piano tunings was the one I just read on > the list about chinese opera using quarter-tone tuned pianos I don't know anything about Chinese opera, but I have heard Western music that used this tuning, and have had a chance to look at a few scores. It struck me in each case that you wouldn't have to re-tune the entire instrument in order to play all the required notes, and this made sense: if you started re-tuning in the middle of the register, surely you'd run into problems at either end - the lower strings would have to be tightened so much that they'd start breaking, and the upper ones would become so slack that they would produce no discernible pitch. Any thoughts? All the best, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:33:09 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Come in from the cold Mark wrote:- " I'm pretty sure the Shadows & Light video is out of print now. I would also really like to get this! Heather dubbed Refuge of the Roads for me last January and I'm pretty sure that's OOP too. Same thing about Come In From The Cold." I recently bought the "Come in from the Cold" video via the internet at CDZone, a UK outfit, at a reasonable price. I'ld give anything for a copy of S&L though! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 07:41:40 +0000 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #341 Hello all, Just continuing the recovery process, post-fest. All too many thankyous are in order, and I find that words are failing to come near describing my impressions and emotions. That was a special, special day! I can now report that the DAT tape we grabbed off the board is FANTASTIC!! I have about three hours of music, mostly from the main stage but also some terrific stuff from inside (like Bryan's incedible BYT!!!) For a recording that was basically just happenstance, engineering-wise, it's pretty darn great! My fears that we blew off some great moments due to 'all thumbs production' were seemingly unfounded. I think the quality of the tape both in the performances and the (ghost) engineering will merit a full tree distribution. World class performances by Claudia SanSoucie, Bryan Thomas, Marian Russell, Michael Paz, the Joanettes, David Lasater, and everyone make this a must whether you were present or just wishin'! I'm heading out of town for much needed vacay week but I hope to get some rush tapes out of the house today. Or soon after my return. People who performed will let me know if they choose not to approve duplication and distribution of their performances and in some cases their compositions, ok? Silence taken as approval. Michael Paz, send me your surface address! When I get back next weekend I'll start working on a cleaned-up version and see what exactly it is we've got on our hands. Looks like a couple of C90's.I think we can get a tree mounted in a couple of weeks. Ashara Hugs to everyone, especially Ashara! Chuck (exhausted) E NPIMM (now playing in my mind): Bryan's 'Black Crow' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:19:59 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Roseanne Cash (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_905174399_boundary Content-ID: <0_905174399@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_905174399_boundary Content-ID: <0_905174399@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Denisongs@aol.com Return-path: To: evian@sk.sympatico.ca Subject: Re:Roseanne Cash (NJC) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:19:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Interiors should be available. I am a fan of Rosanne's music, and have been fortunate to have been invited to participate in a songwriting workshop she facilitates at the Omega Institute on several occasions. She is a warm and generous woman, and a writer committed to her craft. I am fortunate to have her in my life as a mentor. ........Denise : ) - --part0_905174399_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:26:08 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Roseanne Cash (NJC) Evian wrote: > So, I just wanna know if there are any Mary-Chapin Carpenter fans out there as well. I HATE basically anything that is labelled "country", but hot damn, Mary rocks!!!! Yep, mmm hmmm, big Chapin fan here! Saw her in concert several years ago, and she really struts her stuff on stage. I think her music is better appreciated live than recorded. I know the industry likes to label Chapin's music "Country," but I consider it to be closer to Adult Contemporary (whatever the hell that is). Rosanne Cash fits into that format more than she does into Country, as well. Love 'em both! Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:46:03 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) TTT reviews - Is it Jazz? Is it Folk? Is it pop? Howard wrote: > Joni's music has influences from many places - including jazz, folk, classical. To try and say that TTT is "more jazz than folk" is about as useful as saying that Van Gogh's sunflowers has "more yellow than red". I can see an entire thread developing from this discussion ... and synchronicity strikes again, as I just posted my opinion about Mary Chapin Carpenter and Rosanne Cash being labelled Country. The last time I attempted to buy a copy of the latest Joan Armatrading, I had to ask the clerk (who of course had no clue who Joan is), and we finally found the CD when I suggested she check the Folk category. Joan Armatrading is not a folk singer any more than Joni Mitchell is. I suppose the big (and perhaps small) record stores feel that they must categorize performers, but maybe it's time for a new category: Crossover, or something to that effect. Suggestions? Comments? Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:24:46 -0400 From: "Barbara Burst" Subject: NJC happy birthday rob! happy b-day from one music lover to another! -bb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:12:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 5 1978: Joni performs two shows at the Bread and Roses Festival in Berkeley, California. An excerpt of a review on Wally's page: "Joni put together an interesting outfit songwise too, beginning with her newest classic, Coyote, two years old now, but still fresh as ever. Her voice was lovely and her guitar work was stunning and the audience really just ate it up. Then Joni began the opening chords of another classic, usually played with the band: "Just Like This Train," was instantly recognizable as Ms. Mitchell slipped into a trance and literally dove into the song, playing so well that one realizes that this song never needed a band to be good. And before anyone could wipe away sentimental tears, Joni cast yet another spell with "Furry Sings The Blues," haunting and beautiful, and thrilling to hear just Joni again." Read the full article and see photos of the event by list member Leslie Mixon at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Bread78.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 13:13:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 7 1978: Today's Berkeley Monthly publishes an article on the Bread And Roses Festival, saying "For four years Joni has avoided the concert stage. Now she wants to showcase her new album. She has brought an accompanist by the name of Herbie Hancock to deal with her new Charles Mingus material. An hour before she is to go on she tunes nervously downstairs with a pick borrowed from a writer. She is small, almost crumpled, as worried, maybe, as the second angel in a Christmas play." Read the article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/berk780907.htm 1979: Joni performs at the Civic Auditorium in San Francisco today and tomorrow. On Wally's site, Jim Leahy writes his impressions of the two concerts. An excerpt: "The eerie thing about these two shows is how similar they are. By this point in her career Joni had obviously learned how to put on a professional, well-oiled show. What differences there are relate to intensity of mood or focus, or to the soloists' improvisations. The crowd at the second show definitely seemed rowdier than the one on the first night -- although they did quieten down at all the right moments. As you will see from the accompanying photos, on the first night Joni's hair was all sensuous Dionysian locks; in the second photo her hair is tied up in a school-marmish bun." Read the full report and see the pictures at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/SF79.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:12:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 6 1979: Today's issue of Down Beat Magazine features an interview with Joni in an article entitled "Joni Mitchell Makes Mingus Sing." An excerpt: "There was a lot of mojo in [Mingus'] life - there's a lot of mojo in my life, too. He was very wrapped up with natural phenomena. And that's why I think we all had a certain amount of faith in the possibility that he could actually beat it. I always addressed myself to that possibility. If I hadn't, I know the songs would have been much more directed at Charles, like The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines would have probably had a different lyric content, or Sweet Sucker Dance. Because when it came down to the finished album, I thought, this is not a complete portrait of such a complex person; I wished then that every song had been dedicated to a certain aspect of his personality. Some addressed themselves directly; and indirectly they all had something that was kindred with his way." Read the entire article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/db790906.htm Also, Rolling Stone reviews "Mingus" today, saying "That's it - clawing at walls, challenging the implacable. Joni Mitchell keeps asking the hard questions, touching nerves. And the pressure she applies is increasingly brutal, increasingly deft. It's been a long time since her songs had much to do with whatever's current in popular music. (She would prefer we call them art songs.) But then, she doesn't so much come on as an outsider, but as a habitual nonexpert." Read the review at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs790906.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:30:39 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Rosanne Cash (NJC) Evian wrote: <<>> Awww, that's too bad. Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, Deana Carter, Matraca Berg, Hank Williams, Loretta Lynn, Tammy Wynette, Emmylou Harris--all such incredible talents. You're really missing out if you hate anything labelled country, IMO. <<>> _Interiors_ is a classic. She's so great. So what if she's country or AC or thrasher metal--she speaks her truth with a voice just dripping w/ sit-down-and-talk-about-sorrow-over-a-cup-of-coffee immediacy. She's also a wonderfully spare lyricist--not a wasted word. You should also check out _10 Song Demos_. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:57:49 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: jonifestne (jc) i have an image. late in the evening, we gather in the living room, reclining in these beach chairs ashara has provided. it's as if we're in boats, like siberry's 'at the beginning of time' or if we're the boaters, the monopods in 'voyage of the dawntreader'. still keyed up from a raucous game of joni-trivia, but ready to gentle down and bryan, settled in his boat, plays little green. reduces the room to stillness, except the sound of his guitar and voice, remaking a song we all care for. an altered final verse that dances just beneath my actual memory, the effect on me is crystal clear, though. patrick np - man from mars, the lost version ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:26:16 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE:from Billboard From: "secret" Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:12:22 +0100 Memo to Howie Klein at Reprise: Thanks for telling the world (via Billboard) that it won't be easy to market the new Joni Mitchell record. Find a way bud. That's your job. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:46:47 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: re : jonifest From: "Dave Doherty" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:30:44 -0400 Hi all, What a beautiful setting Ashara, I wish I could of been there, The pictures are great, it must of been a real blast great to see everyone having a great time,hopefully I will not miss the next one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:25:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: Defending Jane From: "secret" Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:43:38 +0100 Jane sounds to me like the zine from hell, Kate, my six year old would love it. Culd the reviewer not have handed the record back the her editor and said "this not really my scene can someone else do the review." But it's easier to do a hatchet job, to do a proper review you'd need to know something about the jazz, folk influences etc and 30 years of musical invention. Philip - trashing Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:27:17 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: HH: Plug Of The Week #36 From: markwegner@webtv.net (Mark Wegner) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:55:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: HH: Plug Of The Week #36 >If you're having trouble finding this gem >in your local record store, please try: >NewEraline@aol.com >Direct your inquiries to Benny Smith and >tell him I sent you! >Good luck! >Peter My friend, I *KNOW* you are BIG fan of CSN, Neil, Byrds, etc. and I am happy you are on the various lists. But when you put this last paragraph in your mass mailings all the time, as far as I am concerned this is spam. Respectfully, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:28:28 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: EC on Joni Tribute Album Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:23:11 -0700 From: Tom Turley In an effort to counter what my dear husband Tom has dubbed the "Joni 98 Marathon" he announced from his computer screen that he would show me and sign up for an Elvis Costello list--then showed me the Elvis Costello home page, only to scroll past the followng: >EC To Appear On Joni Mitchell Tribute Album >Release Date: Late 1998 >EC will be contributing his favourite Joni Mitchell song to an upcoming tribute >album to the artist to be released on Reprise Records. No further details as yet. Touché. Don't know if this is old news or not but probably is news to new folks on the list. Hope you're all having fun in Boston. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:10:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: How Do You Stop From: "secret" Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:19:24 +0100 The two big themes in Joni Mitchell's work have been Love (naturally) and Mortality. The definitive statement on the matter of love is the song of the same name combining St Paul's letter, Joni's tune and Wayne Shorter's genius on the Wild Things record. But what about the overlooked gem called How Do You Stop, track 3 on Turbulent Indigo dealing with her other favourite theme. Amazingly the words : One day you're too young Then you're in your prime Then you're looking back At the hands of time were not written by Joni Mitchell but by some faceless dudes called Dan Hartmann and Charlie Midnight. The song was originally written for James Brown and incidentally also occupied track number 3 on his Gravity album. The Mitchell version cuts James Brown's throwaway funk by a mile. Carlos Vega's lazy and slightly off center beats are overlaid by gorgeous slinky electric guitars played by the much feared Michael Landau. On top of this loveliness Joni soars in one of the best vocals of her career. Hip swaying beauty from a woman who loves to dance. I played both versions to a hip hop producer last weekend, thinking he would prefer the JB version and we could have an argument, but no chance, he immediately pointed out the superiority of the JM version. Philip - Critic for a day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:11:45 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! Hi Tribe, Just enjoying this labor day laboring. Some commerce intermingled with preserving the harvest from our garden. As I am cutting tomatoes and listening to TTT, I got this idea. What about putting together a tape of the JMDL's greatest hits? What if we all recorded one song or two and then put them all together? Mrs. Chili and I want to do "Magdalene Laundries" and maybe an original composition? Is anyone else interested in collaborating on this? One thing is certain, between all the members of our tribe we have the talent and the resources to make one fantastic recording! Of course, these don't have to just be Joni songs, we can do anything we want! I told you when I met you I was crazy! Ooops, I forgot to tell you don't eat the brown sunflower cookies! Wink! Love, - -Chili PS. Ashara, Thank you so much! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:29:36 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Phoebe Snow This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------02EDE8C1B329EDC821040E86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A pal of mine went to see Phoebe in San Francisco on Saturday and was telling me about this. Damn! I shoud've gone, would've been better than the decidedly mediocre production of "Midsummer Night's Dream" I saw in Golden Gate Park the same day. Oh well. :-) CHeers, Mikey Leslie Mixon wrote: > It's 1:00am here in Santa Cruz, California. Full moon night, warm and > balmy. We just got home from a > Phoebe Snow concert and my heart is still pounding! > > Phoebe's third song was "A Case of You." She said many times before > singing the song, "I Love Joni" and then said, "She's one of the great > geniuses of the 20th Century." "But I knew what was happening I knew > I was a genius..." - --------------02EDE8C1B329EDC821040E86 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikef1.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Friedman Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikef1.vcf" begin:vcard n:Friedman;Mike tel;cell:415-902-3531 tel;fax:415-659-0006 tel;home:415-431-6576 tel;work:415-659-3535 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org: adr: version:2.1 email;internet:mikef1@jps.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Mike Friedman end:vcard - --------------02EDE8C1B329EDC821040E86-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:27:01 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Jim & John Jim, Really appreciate you posting the $5 for Music Boulevard! John, How great you are taking these pics at the party! Really enjoying them. Thanks to you both for making my weekend a little more fun! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:28:33 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! At 02:11 PM 9/7/98 EDT, you wrote: > >I told you when I met you I was crazy! Ooops, I forgot to tell you don't eat >the brown sunflower cookies! Wink! > Too Late! I ate one. The other one I'm making a momento with. I am using a shellac to preserve it. I may just mount it in a frame afterwards. It was a very cute idea, Brian & Debbie! The decorative bags were just too much!! It was very nice seeing you both again! Heather PS - as for the tape, I can't sing to save my own life. Maybe I can contribute to some packaging artwork? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 98 21:04:45 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Another Coupon here's the URL of another $10 Music Blvd. coupon. -Kenny Free $10 Gift Certificate from Music Boulevard - The World's #1 Online Music Store - http://www.webstakes.com/cgi-bin/wsgo/wsgo.cgi?79a30aMUSICBOULEVARD Take advantage of Music Boulevard's Top 100 Sale, and save an additional $10 off your favorite CDs! Browse through thousands of popular and hard-to-find titles in rock, jazz, classical and more. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:24:09 -0000 From: "Steven A. Blue" Subject: Re: More Jonifest pictures Hey Mark (smile) I spent a fantastic few years in the Midwest, I was duly informed out there that "Midwest" Stood for Gods Country (smile). Yes I found lots of Joni fans out there! - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Domyancich To: Steven A. Blue Cc: Charstarl@aol.com ; Bolvangar@aol.com ; joni@smoe.org Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 1:34 AM Subject: Re: More Jonifest pictures >Weird! Are there any more hicks here in the Midwest who love Joni??? > >(Just joking, Steve!) > >NP-The Windfall > >At 9:21 PM +0000 9/7/98, Steven A. Blue wrote: >>Hello everyone, regarding the vocals who sang backups for Joni, I attended >>William Penn College, Oskaloosa, Iowa, there was a blonde high spirited >>upperclassman/woman, first name Debbie. Rumor had it she sang back up for >>Joni at one time. Possibly 5'4", 135, shoulder length blonde hair, great >>personality. Does the description ring a bell to anyone? Just wondering. I >>think she married a guy named George, he was from upstate NY. Just thought >>I'd throw that out for nostalgia, the year was 1975. > > >_____________________________ >| Mark Domyancich | >| Harpua@revealed.net | >| home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | >|___________________________| > >-State Mottos- > >Illinois: >Please Don't Pronounce the "S" > >Wisconsin: >Eat Cheese or Die > >Pennsylvania: >Cook With Coal > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:00:41 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: Spoiled music >I feel this way too. I've only listened to the TTT cuts 1 or 2 times. >When the album is finally released I want some anticipation and >surprise. It's fun to get a sneak preview before the general public >does and I really appreciated the opportunity. But I just wanted a >taste. An appetizer before the whole banquet is served. I don't want >to spoil my appetite before that. I barely held myself back from gorging(to use the banquet metaphor..) when I got a promo tape of Shawn Colvin's 'A Few Small Repairs'. I'm realy glad that I did, because the album was that much better when I finally heard it. I haven't seen any TTT promos, but if I find one, I'll get it for the collector's value, but I won't listen to it untill after the release. - -Derrick ;-) NP: Morcheeba, still. "Friction... Is turning to fire..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:07:55 +1000 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Jonifestcam Hi ya all Love to be at the party!!!!! I'd really like to have a rap on that vg8 , sounds like a lovely instrument. Surely it must be possible to set up a live jonifest cam for the next one. That way we could all join in the fun,well sort of,in real time. Jealous in Australia Michael michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html On the other hand You have 5 fingers!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 20:37:06 -0400 From: JJM Subject: bringing back the madness Okay....I feel the need to go back to my original comment which was that I was experiencing a madness stage....this is ONLY A STAGE. This does not mean I was trying to say I don't like any other music but Joni's. What I was doing was reaching out for advice on what to do in order to move throught the madness of musical dry spells in which nothing appeals to me but Joni. It happens only a handful of times a year, but it happens. I got my answer from one of the first responses; sorry, i don't remember who, but thanks a million for suggesting listening to Sgt. Pepper. It removed me from my barren state and brought me back to the living!! Of course, we're all still anxiously waiting for TTT!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:45:21 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: more jonifest ne hey folks, i'm still semi-comatose. this was a really great weekend and i slept as little as possible. david and john and michael picked me up at a railroad station on friday and we drove on into mass. musical highlight: lauryn hill's album. a late arrival into boston, we had dinner and then david and john headed off to joniprefestne while michael and i motorcycled with some of nora's friends down to a swinging lesbian night-spot. an amazingly beautiful night for a ride through the canyons of boston. saturday, a leisurely walk to cambridge and the harvard campus, and a visit to the fogg art museum. many great paintings... two nocturne/seascapes and a full length portrait from whistler's most japonisme period... we met julie at the airport and then to ashara's. a little before sunset, on the last full moon before the autumn solstice, i enter mr. jonifestne's wild ride. bryan is just finishing a set with songs we're familiar with from 'a tape of you' on the back porch. his beautiful acoustic guitar and voice hang in the clear air. later i get to talk with bryan and his fiancee, check up on his career. bryan is very down to earth, he's working in albany, ny. this man deserves to break through, bigtime. the party travels its course, through its moments. the bbq shrimp was an early high point. meeting the chilis, another high point. we drift left, then right. the mosquitoes threaten to win, and then are vanquished. eventually we settle in the living room for trivia, dollyshit, and a little music. more than a little music. the party winds down. we sing joni. we sing along with david wright, playing a real piano. this is A plus. and in the later hours, a few of my favorite moments. michael paz has brought lyrics and chords for a number of sarah maclachlan songs. i think of mariana. michael, you play these songs so beautifully. i can't love the backyard recording studio, but when michael paz plays a song at 4 am, i can sing along. thank you for this, michael... finally, at 5 am, big crash. i set an alarm for 6 am, to wake one set of tent-dwellers with an early flight (luckily, i guessed right on which tent), then woke up again as other early departers left. blearily watched as each one flew (bye, claud; bye, chilis). finally, a real awakening (9 am) and into the kitchen for the 'morning of the living dead'. katie, julie, pearl, ashara; eventually we had a quorum, we agreed that whatever presented itself was breakfast. we were not pretty at that hour. coffee (thanks, julie), home-made granola (thanks, ashara), oj, bagels with 14 spreads... coffee... did i say coffee? time to mellow out, time to get to know each other better. the weekend continues. a beautiful cd from pearl to ashara plays, lori liebermann... ashara tells dolphin stories... beautiful dolphins..... but i was ready when we finally hit the road, 'round 12:30 pm. thinking about home, as the chilis must have been, earlier. our musical choices on the ride included mr. thomas (first up, before we left ashara's driveway), innocence mission, selections from emmy lou harris' album 'wrecking ball', and patty griffith. patrick, card-carrying member of the music addicts' league. np - me'shell ndegeocello - plantation lullabies ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:56:57 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Photographic Memo-reeez Part One "It's All A Dream, She Has Awake" or "Captured memories of New England JoniFest at Ashara's" by Julie Z. Webb, Don Juan's Fertile Daughter 1. Stepping off of the plane and seeing Michael Yarbrough and Patrick Leader waiting for me at my gate. (---There is something a tad tittilating for this old married mother of 3--to enter an airport waitingroom only to be greeted with a warm hug by two cute guys.) 2. Then to land in Boston, only to have Ashara's "Driver" promptly appear and take us on up to Ashara's front door. Now that's service! 3. Entering a party is never easy, especially one that's been going strong for 24 hours, even though I was **only**approx 2 hours late! (I hear Friday night was rock and rollin' ) So, rather than following Patrick and Michael thru the front door, I snuck around to the back to see what was happening. (Please, no 'back door' jokes fellas...) The backyard was stocked with a half dozen beach chairs, which were jmdl-occupied and facing the deck-turned-stage that practically spans the whole width of the house. (None of the jmdl faces were familiar. I started feeling a little shy... yea right, but truly....yes I am that way sometimes.) The deck was filled with amps, mikes, guitars, percussion instruments. Brian Thomas and vg8 had center stage. Our Kakki, who I knew from Jonifest Pittsburgh, greeted me first: hugs, compliments and introductions: 4. Ricky Lee! Since I do a lot of on-line skimming of posts, I wasn't sure if RL was a man or a woman, and I had had this image of him as being some kind of wild thing! Instead, in person, he possesses this refine, articlulate, elegant image...and is so engaging to converse with... Another intelligent man who loves Joni's music like I do. This never ceases to amaze me. He was out back getting the grill ready. There was a table filled with wine bottles, cups, water etc. Balloons were gathered here and there... 5. I entered Ashara's designer, dream-kitchen----I meet Maggie McNalley for the first time. Maggie was in charge of the food. We're not talking hot dogs and burgers here, our Maggie put out a professional spread that could rival Martha Stewart (What is it about these New England women?!?!)---sauteed eggplant, sweet red peppers, juicy plump, succulent, exotic mushrooms...fresh fresh touboulee, tender tortellini with diced ripe tomatoes and basil, carmelized onions, buttery corn on the cob, grilled marinated chicken breast etc etc I marveled at how Maggie was able to keep her head cool and work so efficienly...after all, she was cooking for dozens of people. I went outside to get some wine...... 7. Someone yells out to the talented Chuck E, or our "Rainy Night House" man, who looks a little like Peter Fonda, proved to be so sweet and generous and kept on giving as we begged him to play and sing one song after another. My most treasured ChuckE moment was singing with Chuck and Lamadoo to the Stone's "Wild Horses" at 3 AM. My one regret: didn't get to hear him on dulcimer....but then there's always Colorado 99. 8. Back in Ashara's kitchen...I saw this 6 foot two, long haired---pony-tailed, exotic-looking handsome man, giving taste-tests of his recipe of super-spicy, buttery shrimp that was to die for. "Hi Im Michael...Michael Paz!" Our Paz-man from New Orleans has a booming voice, and it was incredible to hear a masculine take on Joni's music by yet another multi-talented man. His rendition of "Edith and the Kingpin" came off melancholy and haunting too. He brought a fat binder filled with chords and lyrics to a zillion songs, and he played all night long. At one point at least 15 people were on stage going crazy---shakin it up with Ashara's huge assorment of anthropological percussion instruments ---while Michael played a rip rockin' "La Bamba" which lasted a good 20 minutes. (I hadn't played the tambourine since 4th grade in Sister Eucharista's music appreciation class, and let me tell you, **this** beat "Sing People of God Sing" by a long shot.) 9. Kate Barnickle - what a blast! Kate gave out strap-on Kitty noses for the Joni DollyShit pickings. Kate was warm and friendly and I felt like I knew her my old whole life. Why can't these people live in my city.....My freeze-frame of Kate: Playing percussion expertly to "Cotton Avenue" wearing a kitty nose while doing the samba.... TO BE CONTINUED..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:05:20 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Defending Jane In a message dated 9/7/98 10:52:07 AM, les@jmdl.com wrote: >Jane sounds to me like the zine from hell, Kate, my six year old would >love it. Culd the reviewer not have handed the record back the her editor >and said "this not really my scene can someone else do the review." >But it's easier to do a hatchet job, to do a proper review you'd need to >know something about the jazz, folk influences etc and 30 years of musical >invention. > >Philip - trashing Jane The reviewer has a job...to review the record. And she did make a mention to "Turbulent Indigo" so she is not completely uneducated as far as Joni goes. Everyone has opinions. Jane is a respectable zine which I like and will continue to like. Rolling Stone has trashed Joni in the past...I still like it. Lots of people I know (including friends and closer friends) have trashed Joni, does this mean I should trash them? No. Therefore I still see no reason to trash Jane just because it gave a bad review of what we think is a good record. Go JANE! - -mariana NP: foo fighters, -foo fighters- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:18:47 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: It's the End of the Summer (njc) My apologies to Dar for stealing her song line, but it's so appropriate since for me anyway, it is the end of the summer! I go back to school tommorow, gross yuckers. I went to the mall today and bought some cordoruys, two t- shirts, and a liz phair cd (exile in guyville...just because it's gotten such good reviews on the list) as summer's last stand sort of. It's been a really great summer, I think. I've learned alot and gotten into a lot of great music! I remember when I heard people talking about the Foo Fighters and thought, "What a stupid name, jeez." But now they're my absoulute favorite band. There isn't one CD I bought this summer that I cannot say I haven't thourougly (sp?) enjoyed. Props mainly to Kate Bush "The Kick Inside", Nirvana "Nevermind", both Foo Fighters offerings, The Breeders "Last Splash" (if you're so special, why aren't you dead?), and Elliott Smith "XO" of course. I cannot plug this music enough. There's just these moments when I'm listening and I think, "This is just so good. Music is the best stuff on earth." Tommorow is really only orientation, in which we get those wonderful pictures taken, IDs, class scheduals, locker assignments, and books. Then in the afternoon I've got a driving lesson, oh boy, right? I haven't been such an avid poster this summer, mainly because of four weeks in mexico, five weeks dancing in A Chorus Line (still can't get over what an amazing, wonderful and healing experience that was...theatre is right up there with music in the race for my saving graces), and then just kicking about the house sleeping. I turn 16 this saturday...I start 11th grade tommorow. It's just so scary. But I've got my CD collection, the new Joni CD coming out, all my old Joni CDs to comfort me in my ups and downs, lots of new friends fresh out of tour, and a new hairdo too! I'm not at all scared about Griffin or his prickish friends, because we're on good terms now and because I've gotten over him, thanks loads to that piss-off-f*ck*-you kind of music that just fueled my summer. So this is where I bottle up and explode! or just fall asleep. yikes! - -mariana (i love my life) the almost junior NP: the foo fighters, -the foo fighters- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:24:49 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: It's the End of the Summer (njc) Marilune@aol.com wrote: >So this is where I bottle up and explode! or just fall asleep. > > yikes! > > -mariana (i love my life) the almost junior Mariana, though 28 years seperate us and many experiences in my near-middle-agedness...you always take me right back to my days in high school, with the exception of your being so much more articulate and imaginative than I ever (am?) was. Thanks for these glimpses into your world that take me back to my past so clearly. I still have those bottle-up explosive things happening too, so there is hope for me... Marsha, falling asleep now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:55:11 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: On-line CDs and Soundscan Mitchellites - Curious... I polled the three on-line CD companies that the JMDL site links to and asked if they participated in Billboard's "Soundscan" program. As we discussed, sales from vendors who participate in this program are used to calculate the chart positions of CDs. John, from CD Universe replied: >Yes, we are a member of Billboard's SoundScan program. Erika, from CD Now wrote: >Unfortunately we are not allowed to give that kind of information. I >apologize if this causes any inconvenience to you. And then added this possible hint - possible standard tag: >Remember it's a small world and we are it's largest internet music company! And Music Boulevard has yet to respond. So there you go. Discuss. Les ;-) np: John Martyn "Church With One Bell" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:12:36 -0400 (EDT) From: picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith) Subject: Hi Everyone! (SJC) Hi Jonilistas! It's so nice to be in Joni land again! I've been catching up on digests, so technically, I'm still in late August. I've been reading all the reviews about A Day In The Garden. Thanks to all who shared their experiences. It was like I went myself. I'm so glad Joni finally made it to the east coast! I'm looking forward to Joni's pay-per view performance as well as her release of TTT. I am a jazz lover, so I think I will really enjoy this cd. (Heather, I still owe you a tape of my jazz favorites!) I'm very excited to see all the posts from new list members. I offer you a belated welcome from an old timer. This list has become so much like a family. I can't tell you how much I've missed being away. Work is going great. For the past 5 weeks, I've had to get up at the ungodly hour of 3:30 am to prepare for a 25 minute commute to work by 6:00 am. (I need a half hour just to wake up!) This torment is now over an so I am allowed back with the living. I actually get to see the sun on my way to work! I'm doing very well although I am still sad that work caused me to miss the New England Fest. Julie, you don't know how bad I wanted to see if there was still any flights available Friday evening. I hope everyone had a great time. Now that I'm not going to bed at 7 pm, (torment!) I hope I can post more often. The list is looking and sounding great and I'm so glad I'm still a part of it! Take care everyone! NP Husbands and dogs snoring simultaneously. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #342 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?