From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #218 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 15 2000 Volume 03 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Golden Earring [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: goth rock [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: goth rock ["tube disaster" ] Re: Malkas Project [Katherine Pouliot ] Dome [Tim Robinson ] Re: Golden Earring ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Re[4]: [4]: goth rock ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[6]: goth rock ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[6]: goth rock ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[5?]: i'm so hollow [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: Golden Earring ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Re[2]: goth rock ["stephen graziano" ] Re: Re[6]: goth rock ["stephen graziano" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:25:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Golden Earring Carl, << Anybody follow Golden Earring? They're really old, but I think they're still together. >> Dutch rockers, going since the 60s. In Britain they had one hit (about 1972) called Radar Love. REM have been known to cover it. GE's drummer jumped over the kit from his stool at the end on Top of the Pops. Then we never heard from them again. Last time I was uin Amsterdam I chanced upon the Golden Earring section in Virgin. Hell, they are indeed still going, with what looked like at least three original members. They had all kinds of phases - new wave, poodle rock etc - since their hit. Very funny looking at the covers....God knows what it sounds like. I didn't invest. I have Radar Love on 7inch, and that's probably all I need..... I bet they still close their live set with Radar Love. But I bet the drummer doesn't jump any more..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:27:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: goth rock Carl, << BTW, I think that 154 is very goth. >> Oh dear. I'd say 154 was firmly art-rock, and therefore not Goth. Very little about Wire could be construed as Goth IMO. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:01:19 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: goth rock Well, yes, but as I noted upon seeing it with my own eyes a few months ago at a shop (& after speculating about the possibility for years), I Should Have Known Better *has* shown up on at least one goth comp recently. Dan >Carl, > ><< BTW, I think that 154 is very goth. >> > >Oh dear. I'd say 154 was firmly art-rock, and therefore not Goth. Very little >about Wire could be construed as Goth IMO. > >Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:08:45 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: Malkas Project What does Katherine Pouliot have for breakfast? Mullet. Sorry. Bad play on words. There's my scribble on a napkin. DONE! lol Very punchy right now. It's late and we just got back from seeing the over-the-top "Scary Movie". I do not recommend it! kp ;-) > From: Tim Robinson > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:22:47 +0100 > To: Katherine Pouliot > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Malkas Project > > Yes it is quite a challenge for me too. I'm a strictly audio person myself > (the > visual side of things I tend to leave to a good friend who runs his own design > outfit) but although I suspect there a few people on this list who are > Artists > (or just piss artists!) I assume Malka doesn't want any of us to come up with > a > fine-art masterpiece. > > I suppose we should all use whatever means we have at our disposal to express > visually what the hell we are doing here at Idealcopy! Why do we read this > stiuff? Why do we care what Tim Robinson thinks about Graham Lewis' Mullet or > what Paul Rabjon thinks of Killing Joke or what Katherine Pouliot had for > breakfast or just what does Graeme Rowland have in that plastic carrier bag he > hawks around Wire's UK gigs? > > From the tone of Malka's e-mail I think a scribble on a napkin will be just > as > acceptable as an elaborate sculpture...as long as its no bigger than a CD! > I'd be really interested myself to see what other listees submit. Perhaps our > friends at Wireviews should set up a page where we can see each others items? > > This is a really interesting project and I know that there are floating > listees > who don't contribute very often who are not from either Chicago or England and > who should be encouraged to submit something, as Malka obviously wants to > explore the funny little way in which all we 100 or so disparate individuals > from all over the modem-connected world are inextricably linked by our love > for > the Wire thing. > > Over to you listees. > > > > > > Katherine Pouliot wrote: > >> I'll finally be able to put all my husband's art and 3d programs to good >> use! I'll think of something. But I'm less visually inclined than a lot of >> people, have to think about what that would be for me. May take a while! >> >> K >>> From: Tim Robinson >>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:11:47 +0100 >>> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >>> Subject: Malkas Project >>> >>> Ah thats more like it! >>> What will everyone send to Malka? >>> >>> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:10:06 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: Dome I've just recently got the Dome albums and they are really intriguing. 'To Speak' from Dome 4 is my favourite, it sounds like God Speed You Black Emporer! if they had a sense of humour (which they don't). If I had to define it I'd called it early 80s European Psychedelia!. Thats not to say they are dated in any way. You can't really pin this music down to a particular era but suffice to say they predate the likes of Labradford, Autechre, Jim O'Rourke, etc etc. yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:09:59 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Golden Earring I remember back in the whorey (i gotta get a Wire ref in there somewhere) 70s Golden Earring did a gig on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert, which I caught, and being the young impressionable teen that I was, I quite enjoyed it. But the only thing I can recall about it now is that at the last number, the drums exploded and the drummer did a foward somersault leap off his stool to the front of the stage to take his bow! I've got Moontan (for the naked chic cover) which of course has Radar Love and Candy's Gone Bad, two big songs on NYC FM in the 74ish zone and funnily enough a late 60's lp called Eight Miles High that I bought in the 80's cause it has a sidelong cover of the title song! Haven't listened to it in 15-20 years though. Still got it though. - Steve. G ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:20:51 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[4]: [4]: goth rock The air of finality does seem a lot more convincing now, but I dunno ... as I may've noted at the time (I know I did on another list), if they're indeed packing it in that means that their last US show ever, in NY about a month ago, did *not* include A Forest, which almost defies belief. Dan >Paul, > ><< i reckon rob smith first claimed the cure were splitting around the time >of pornography. and a few times since. give it 4 years and he'll be back >again with a new cure album. such is life (and the record industry).p >> > >I went to the London gig a few weeks ago and it looked pretty final. Just >what they played, and the way RS was. Also sales are not what they were. >prsonally I hope he does quit now. It'd be good if he did a Mark Hollis on >us.... > >Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:16:16 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[6]: goth rock On the Cure -- >>, the commercial stuff was a bit twee and then he seems to have re-written the same few songs repeatedly for about the last ten years. but i suspect a few here would disagree with that bigtime , ha ha.<< The commercial stuff was mostly fine with me, but the last 10 years are so have been markedly fallow, with the exception of a couple of songs. Dan >>>> agreed. what were the couple of songs then?p A Letter to Elise & -- for my admitted pure-pop sweet tooth -- Friday I'm in Love. I probably should get out the last decade's singles & do some concentrated listenings to the B-sides, since in the past they've quite often outshown the LP stuff (2 Late being an obvious example, not to mention the barely-released-on-a-comp Kiss Me outtake To the Sky). DanDan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:32:03 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[6]: goth rock >>>whereas the cure , i just couldn't take them seriously and it all seemed a >bit of an act.<< > >I thought it was quite the opposite. I thought it was great that they moved >away from cute pop and darkened up the sound. the Cure probably still sneak >into my top 10 all time bands list.... Same here. Really, about the only band performing a similarly near-total reorientation (& still producing quality music) in those days that I can think of would be ... Wire (from the ensuing years, I can think of the Mekons, Chumbawamba &, of all people, Fad Gadget/Frank Tovey). Though I would have to say that I didn't discern much "cute pop" from the pre-17 Seconds output -- a lot of the songs on 3 Imaginary Boys & the singles sounded pretty angular ... sort of like early post-punk with the edges largely sanded down. The "cute pop" phase, I think, followed Pornography, when RS started doing things like Let's Go to Bed & Lovecats, both of which I like a lot (esp. the latter) ... & yet the dark underpinnings never went away at all. > >>>i ought to add i found the vampire end of things silly back then and >laughable now. remember the specimen? (wire link ; they started out as the >unwanted on the roxy album). is a working class vampire better than a posh >one? i'll think on that...... .. >> > >Yikes. Saw Alien Sex Fiend once supporting the Cramps. Gruesome. America is >paying the price for that stuff now with Marilyn Manson..... And yet I've got a soft spot in my heart (I started to type "head" & was probably right the first time) for ASF (whom I once, in trying to describe them to somebody, compared to "the Cramps with a synth," as it happens) ... it didn't hurt that every now & then they stumbled across an utterly irresistible song, though at the moment the only one I can come up with is Nightmare Zone. Buggin' Me, too, if I'm remembering the title correctly. Dan >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:49:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[5?]: i'm so hollow In a message dated 7/14/0 4:46:20 PM, creature48212@yahoo.com writes: >Anyone ever heard of a band called "I'm So Hollow". I had one of thier >albums,might have been thier only on for all i know of them. I liked >them back then(83/84),but can't really remember thier music very >clearly anymore. i have a 7" by them, clear vinyl. i think they're also on a comp or two that i have. i'll dig em up this weekend and have a listen. memory is very hazy right now :o\ - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:55:52 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Golden Earring You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems Golden Earring were the original model for Spinal Tap! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:59:48 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Re[2]: goth rock I guess it's all a matter of how you define terms. Back in the day it was post-punk or even acid-punk. I still think Chairs Missing and 154 are the Revolver and Sgt Pepper respectively of the 70's. - Steve. G ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:22 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: Re[6]: goth rock > >Yikes. Saw Alien Sex Fiend once supporting the Cramps. Gruesome. America >is > >paying the price for that stuff now with Marilyn Manson..... > I would like to add, though, that I thought "Dope Show" the song was a brilliant rewrite of Iggy's "Nightclubbing" and the video was a gas. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #218 *******************************