From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #146 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- List Content ["Wilson, Paul" ] RE: List Content ["giluz" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #145 [Howard Spencer ] CD Storage [Carl Archer ] RE: List Content [Miles Goosens ] all things in moderation ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: List Content [Kathy P ] re: all things in moderation ["Steven Blum" ] off-topic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] re: all things in moderation [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] truck load of art [Alan Gray ] music/politics/lists ["Laurel G" ] Re: nihilism rears its ugly head. [Aaron Mandel ] Re: music/politics/lists ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: Death in Vegas ["- hyponoise -" ] Blink 182 politics ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Wire Politics [george.m.hook@ac.com] RE: Wire Politics ["Ciscon, Ray" ] DEV-O LIVE cd [BillyD ] Re: Wire Politics [Jack Steinmann ] Re: CD StorageB [BillyD ] Re: Wire Politics [Andrew N Westmeyer ] RE: Wire Politics [Paul Pietromonaco ] RE: Wire Politics ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: CD StorageB [Joshua ] Re: Wire Politics ["tube disaster" ] RE: Wire Politics [Paul Pietromonaco ] New Bloke..... ["lucifersam" ] Re: CD StorageB [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:06:51 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: List Content So what if the content of emails drifts from Wire related subjects? It's good to know more about the people who submit things to the list, and it's a good way of finding out more about people if they talk about other subjects. I'd soon find out right at the start if someone has neo-nazi tendencies - then I know never to bother writing to them! As for football - keep it on! It helps to counter the American bias! If people are getting annoyed with too many emails, then they should take the digest version instead (as I do). It's fairly manageable just getting one or two mails per day. I agree though, that it would be better if people didn't use so much of the emails they are replying to. It gets very annoying when the same email is repeated, sometimes as many as ten times, in every digest! Paul KW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:21:34 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: List Content > So what if the content of emails drifts from Wire related subjects? It's > good to know more about the people who submit things to the list, > and it's a > good way of finding out more about people if they talk about > other subjects. > > As for football - keep it on! It helps to counter the American bias! > I didn't mean to say that I didn't like subjects that are not Wire-related - I do . I just don't understand why football is OK and politics isn't. We should be able to discuss both subjects on this list. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:41:35 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #145 "The RFH CD is in thin paper envelope, and I didn't feel like pogoing thru the show with the CD in my hands, but I couldn't go to my car to drop it there. Luckily, the pocket of my pants was large enough to store the CD but what about all the others?" One for UK listers to try: unused/unwanted pants as a means of CD storage. Beats naff ikea shelving. tee hee. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:18:05 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: CD Storage I'm certain that many people on this list have huge CD collections. I'm approaching ownership of 1000 CDs and I'm now in need of something to put them in. Can anybody with a serious answer get back to me. I am willing to have a storage unit as tall as 7' (or just over 2m for you metric people). Preferably, I'd like doors on it to keep dust out. Thanks, Carl > From: Howard Spencer > .... > One for UK listers to try: unused/unwanted pants as a means of CD > storage. Beats naff ikea shelving. tee hee. > Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:34:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: List Content At 01:21 PM 05/17/2000 +0200, giluz wrote: > > >> So what if the content of emails drifts from Wire related subjects? It's >> good to know more about the people who submit things to the list, >> and it's a >> good way of finding out more about people if they talk about >> other subjects. >> >> As for football - keep it on! It helps to counter the American bias! >> > >I didn't mean to say that I didn't like subjects that are not Wire-related - >I do . I just don't understand why football is OK and politics isn't. We >should be able to discuss both subjects on this list. Geez, did I ban anyone for discussing politics, or say that politics was verboten? I suggested that this particular thread had outlived its usefulness as an on-list topic. Why? Because in my judgment it had drifted from whatever it originally said about the genesis of punk etc. into ideological broadsides and personal insult. These tendencies don't make the list a pleasant place to hang out, nor do they augur well for the future of the thread. The football exchanges have been briefer and more benign, so I've said nothing about them. I don't see where it's out of place for the list admin (i.e., me) to make the occasional course correction. This list has existed for over two years, and this is only the second time I can recall that I've felt the need to intervene. If the average of one intervention per year feels to y'all like the heavy boot of The Man, I'm willing to accept the flack. :-) The one issue that I feel like I've run into the ground is the quoting issue, but since a goodly minority of listmembers keep sending one-line posts with the original message quoted in its entirety, provoking both on- and off-list complaints (and generating two sizable digests per day!), perhaps this bears repeating: (1) Please do quote the message you are replying to, but only quote the RELEVANT part of the original message. (2) If all you are going to add to the original message is one line, perhaps you should think twice about sending this message to 240+ people. In sum... Neo-fascist right-wingers are bad. Cincinnati Reds in first place! At last! later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:35:57 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: all things in moderation miles, this is personal appeal while i have often applauded the ability of this list to drift off-topic i honestly have not the time or inclination to monitor political rhetoric (from any view) i had changed to the digest form in an attempt to minimize the quantity mail from this list but now the quality is suffering as well i will hang in for another day or 2 but YEEESH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:49:12 -0400 From: Kathy P Subject: Re: List Content on 5/17/00 8:34 AM, Miles Goosens at wireadmin@mindspring.com wrote: > Geez, did I ban anyone for discussing politics, or say that politics was > verboten? I suggested that this particular thread had outlived its > usefulness as an on-list topic. Why? Because in my judgment it had > drifted from whatever it originally said about the genesis of punk etc. > into ideological broadsides and personal insult. These tendencies don't > make the list a pleasant place to hang out, nor do they augur well for the > future of the thread. The football exchanges have been briefer and more > benign, so I've said nothing about them. Hey guys (and the other 2+ {?} women): Just putting in my 2 cents about this list content thingie. I appreciate Miles' stepping in. It's fine to talk about politics or sports here and there, however I personally will have not too much to say about either, because 75% of the time neither of them interest me. I joined this list really expecting to hear about and discuss Wire, the things that relate to them, their history, the present, similar music, etc. When the list becomes pages and pages about stuff that is so controversial and also so personal at the same time, like who believes what about gun laws and all that stuff, that really doesn't have much to do with Wire, my request/suggestion is this: Perhaps those that feel compelled to write pages and pages of political theory or ethical essays (or otherwise non-related to Wire subjects) could just e-mail each other personally? I like the idea of people just hanging out and discussing wire, likes, dislikes, sharing info about shows, the occasional personal stories about meeting band members, and CD reviews, and the like. That is pleasant and safe for me, as a member of the list. Yeah, it is also cool to learn about the people contributing to the list - who the heck are we all, that kind of thing. But, there are a bzillion other lists out there that discuss gun issues and ethical issues and sports, and other bands -- I didn't join them, because I just want to talk about Wire and related music here... - -- Katherine kep99@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:05:08 PDT From: "Steven Blum" Subject: re: all things in moderation Now that the tour is over maybe it's time that you put away your Wire fancy. Wire is indeed one of the best bands ever, but isn't that music ingrained on you now? How many listens until it's just masturbation? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:14:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: off-topic Any of us who's been on active lists for a while recognizes what's happening here: the list reaches a critical point in terms of numbers and posts, and from there takes on a life of its own of sorts. At first, a list is like a workplace full of strangers: no one knows anyone else, and the only thing discussed is the topic at hand. But lists evolve into something more like cocktail parties: people begin to know each other, and so conversation becomes broader ranging - and inevitably, some conversations are going to bore some partygoers while fascinating others. This only increases the importance of basic list etiquette such as the suggestions Miles has made. Discussions run their course (usually not before breeding meta-discussions like this one) and either die or are taken off-list (most of my contributions to the gun thing are there now); the volume of posts waxes and wanes; people complain regardless. Those who think it's too much, or too off-topic - wait awhile, it'll slacken off. And then pick up again. But it will certainly help if posts consist primarily of new content, with only the minimum of repeated content necessary to make ideas clear. Okay, new topic...worst Wire hairstyle ever? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:16:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: re: all things in moderation On Wed, 17 May 2000, Steven Blum wrote: > on you now? How many listens until it's just masturbation? And if it gets you off what's wrong with that? - --Jeff the troll slayer J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: BOURGEOISIE Subject: Politics and music (preying on the uninformed) I feel that putting politics in music that is marketed towards kids is immoral. Why? Because kids are not informed enough to be able to weigh the political views expressed in the music against their counterparts. So, instead of making an informed decision, kids often ape the artists politics for no other reason than "He or she's cool," this leads to problems for both sides. For instance, if Rage against the Machine is advocating Communism, Informed Communists are going to be typified as fools, as there are going to be many 14 year old "Communists" running around doing a poor job of advocating politics they don't really understand just because Rage made Che so hip and cool....leading to a bad reflection on Communism in pop culture. In addition, opposing political view points are no longer going to get their fair exposure, say in the form of a book, so they too must prey on impressionable teens by pandering to them with Rockin' cd's that can only do an inadequate job of advocating a political position. I realize it is all too easy for artists to succumb to the temptation of dumbing down a political position that they want to advocate by condensing it into a three minute song, because the possibility of attracting some coverts (even if poorly informed ones) is greater than say, doing it in book form....but please for the sake of your own beliefs and maybe even those held by others, if you're marketing your material towards kids, take the high road and just reference a book in the liner notes. Robert. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:14:04 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: ingrained masturbation - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Blum To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: re: all things in moderation > Now that the tour is over maybe it's time that you put away your Wire fancy. > Wire is indeed one of the best bands ever, but isn't that music ingrained > on you now? How many listens until it's just masturbation? > Steven, Hmmm...the word ingrained seems like such a negative twist when coupled with music. I think it's fair to speak for myself as well as any of the other Wire fans (or any fan of any long time fave band) who have recently seen Wire live are still riding that high like I am. What more perfect a place than here to share that? This is a Wire list, isn't it? If it's not about that, then why does it exist? Does it only exist when Wire is touring? I think not. Just because the tour is over doesn't mean that we should shut up now. Ahh, masturbation, I had not thought of that!! Thanks for the suggestion...hahhaha Katherine kep99@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:08:20 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: truck load of art Hi I'm new to this list,or any list... so I've been reading bits of whats coming through over the past few days with interest. I had a dig about the pro Macarthy stuff, and was amazed that someone said that the Gang of four failed miserably. I'm not sure how that person judges success, to be honest I never even thought of them in terms of success and failure. I thought it was just accepted that they were one of the best bands of the FAST era. They did'nt achieve mass popular appeal or overthrow the government but I never previously considered that they would. I saw them play several times, had all their records and still enjoy the ones that have survived the party thefts and a flood that warped some irreplaceables. Then I read about some one on the list tracking down chairs missing. So does any one know "Truck load of Art " by Terry Allen, is it as funny as I remember? and where might I be able to get hold of a copy? Now a little footy bit in brackets for those not into it.... (Leicster and their cup tactics remind me of George Graham's Arsenal, as Graham was supposedly starved of funds for better players and adopted tactics to suit the ones he had. Though with one big difference, Graham often left the most gifted players on the bench or sold them on, and would have a Perry Groves eleven through choice and I do not think Oneill would do that sort of thing. I am an Arsenal fan though I never was a fan of Graham.) Alan Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:30:29 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: music/politics/lists been reading the discussions with interest music has been used to make political statements since people have been making music - take nursery rhymes - Mary, Mary quite contrary is about Mary queen of scots - little jack horner? he pulled out a plum, or legal document, which I believe granted him a political appointment, can't remember exactly - but you'd be surprised how many have political roots - traveling bards sung topical songs - resistance movements have always used them to spread the word about who/what/where/why - what do you think George M. Cohan was about during WW1? or the musicals of the 40s, tell me those weren't filled with propaganda, etc. etc. etc. - so from the earliest age we are being assaulted by political messages - that bands do it now is no surprise - we can't insulate our children from the world, the best we can do is to take the responsibility for giving them a good base to make their own decisions from - knowledge is not the beast, neither is exposure to different views - ignorance is the thing about political debates is they get so nasty - it seems people can keep a sense of humor and perspective about every other subject - except maybe religion - and for some reason political and religious debates aren't so easy to get over - after other debates, people shake hands and that's that, no hard feelings - not so with politics and religion - I don't know, maybe because if you're talking music or sports it's because you both love music or sports and there's a bond there whether you agree or disagree, and those aren't things that necessarily affect the world at large and in some cases, your very existence you know, this list content debate is one that crops up on every list sooner or later - especially on lists where the bands are not always active - when there's nothing doing, how CAN you stay on topic? - the same people can only keep rehashing the same stuff so many times - and if it weren't for the off topic stuff, people wouldn't bother with things like pre show get togethers - - there would be no camaraderie, it'd just be a bunch of loners exchanging facts once in a while - I've always found that it's the off topic stuff that makes people comfortable enough to really get into good debates when they surface - and last, so many times it's the off topic stuff that sparks people to remember anecdotes, facts, topics, about bands that they may have forgotten or just never thought to bring up before anyways, who am I to say? - I'll go along with whatever - I'm just happy to be with people I have something in common with - hopefully I'll find we have more in common than just Wire Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: nihilism rears its ugly head. On Tue, 16 May 2000, tube disaster wrote: > Well, I'm aware that the Net per se dates back several decades, but if > music lists & such were proliferating in 1980, it's news to me. (Geez, > I was still into sf fandom back then ... you'd think someone in *that* > of all subcultures would've said something.) well, SF-LOVERS, the first really widespread non-technical mailing list (maybe the very first of any kind that wasn't job-related for its users, or so i've heard it claimed) started in 1979. but how big it was compared to all of fandom, i don't know. > On a related note, I read somewhere within the last month that only 5 > or 6 years ago (may've been '93, but certainly no earlier than that) > there were something like 50 webpages in existence, i've heard this number too -- i think the date given was the beginning of 1993, and it's 50 *servers*, not pages... most of those 50 servers were probably serving a lot of documents, since they would have been used to distribute technical information within the physics community. by the end of that year, Mosaic had been released and the number of servers was more like 5000. i think the first version of Netscape came out sometime in 1994. my memory of the early-public web (i.e. right when Mosaic came out and i heard about the web for the first time) is that it was a lot like gopher, with occasional pictures. i remember being totally thrilled to find a Shriekback discography and wondering who this crazy driven guy could possibly be that not only put all that information together but decided to put it on the web. (it turned out that he programmed on large chunks of Mosaic/Netscape: www.jwz.org. go figure.) i don't remember what year it was when a URL on a billboard seemed like a bizarre anomaly, or at least a sign that the company had a very narrow demographic in mind. 1996? the quick consensus among geeks in my office is that we have no idea how many new web servers come on line each day, but it's probably more than 50 and less than 5000. most new pages and domains are hosted on existing servers, at least in the US. this post contains an unusual number of facts for me, and i expect that someone will correct many of them. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:51:26 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: music/politics/lists In response to Laurel's : >... when there's nothing doing, how CAN you stay on topic? - the same people can only > keep rehashing the same stuff so many times - and if it weren't for the off > topic stuff, people wouldn't bother with things like pre show get togethers > - there would be no camaraderie, it'd just be a bunch of loners exchanging > facts once in a while - I've always found that it's the off topic stuff that > makes people comfortable enough to really get into good debates when they > surface - and last, so many times it's the off topic stuff that sparks > people to remember anecdotes, facts, topics, about bands that they may have > forgotten or just never thought to bring up before > > anyways, who am I to say? - I'll go along with whatever - I'm just happy to > be with people I have something in common with - hopefully I'll find we have > more in common than just Wire Well said, Laurel. I agree. Just rememer that there are people like me that will like to stay on the lighter side of things and not always want to delve into those huge responsibility-laden issues like politics, religion, etc... It has nothing to do with the fact that we're not intelligent, or keeping narrow views -- it's just that life outside the internet is filled with enough reality and responsibility already. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:31:15 EDT From: "- hyponoise -" Subject: Re: Death in Vegas >record. actually the lovely Dot's album got good write-ups but I haven't >heard it.... lightly strummed acoustic pop thang apparently its not really that acousticy. its like an old pop record with more modern production. some of the primal scream team guest on it with kevin shields playing guitar, mani on bass, richard fearless on production and tim holms on engenearing on some tracks. witch flows nicly into : the new primal scream record : xtrmntr its bloody wonderfully gosh darn amazing. out in america now [ finaly ] the album has everything, funk, rock, soul, punk, techno, house etc. its just a "record to riot to" great stuff. guests include : mani, kevin shields, the chemical brothers, jagz crooner, david holms, dan the automator and bernard summer. - -jason n . p . one dove . morning dove white www.mp3.com/wilt just because a cat has her kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:57:13 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Blink 182 politics Not that they really matter... but how typical are they of American youth? From their interview at http://www.checkout.com/music/features/info/0,,1910657-1,00.html Q: Blink 182 is billed as "everyone's favorite punk band." What does it mean to be a punk band so many years after the Sex Pistols defined the genre? A: It's definitely a different thing now. Punk rock isn't about being angry or complaining about society. There's really not much to complain about, I guess. Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:49:18 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Wire Politics I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire ever overtly discusses politics in their music. Not like Gang of Four or the Clash. I guess you could consider Reuters political? Mr. Suit? Wire has always been more apolitical, haven't they? So why are we talking politics? Now religion, that's another matter. Witness, "Pieta." Or ... "I'd rather make furniture than go to Midnight Mass." Does Wire believe in God? George ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:08:21 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Wire Politics The minimal amount of politics in Wire's music only helps to keep it timeless. Nothing dates music, or just about anything, faster than the politics of the time. Plus, overtly political music can lead to some real embarrassment... Q Magazine included the Clash's 'Sandinista' in their '100 Stupidest Rock Moments of all Time'. The only semi-overt political statement I can recall in a Wire song would be in 'Cheeking Tongues' from The Ideal Copy. Anybody know of any others? Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: george.m.hook@ac.com [mailto:george.m.hook@ac.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:49 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Wire Politics I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire ever overtly discusses politics in their music. Not like Gang of Four or the Clash. I guess you could consider Reuters political? Mr. Suit? Wire has always been more apolitical, haven't they? So why are we talking politics? Now religion, that's another matter. Witness, "Pieta." Or ... "I'd rather make furniture than go to Midnight Mass." Does Wire believe in God? George ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: DEV-O LIVE cd I recently purchased a remasted and complete version of the old DEVO Live ep from Rhino Handmade. Only 5,000 were pressed. They are numbered as well. There are 22 tracks total and well worth the $20. I am also waiting for the new anthology. Thought it would be here today... Wireless in Columbus, Billy - --- Jonathan Land wrote: > The question is: who's the more metronomic drummer, > Mr. > Gotobed, or Mr. Myers? > > That's a tough call. > > Jon > -- > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://incomplete.net > If it's not here, it's incomplete! > jland@incomplete.net > > Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at > http://incomplete.net/espicam.html > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2000 16:56:42 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: Re: Wire Politics Kidney Bingoes is about trafficking organs, isn't it? Torch It seems to be about family life. The personal is political, etc. And Morning Bell about day traders? Hm. george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: >I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire ever overtly discusses >politics in their music. Not like Gang of Four or the Clash. I guess you >could consider Reuters political? Mr. Suit? Wire has always been more >apolitical, haven't they? So why are we talking politics? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: CD StorageB A couple big shelving units in the spare room do nicely. I can still have about 500 in the living room. That's all the space my wife allows...but I must rearrange them often as new cds come in the house. Two alphabetical systems in the house don't work very well. Cheers, Billy - --- Carl Archer wrote: > I'm certain that many people on this list have huge > CD collections. I'm > approaching ownership of 1000 CDs and I'm now in > need of something to put > them in. Can anybody with a serious answer get back > to me. I am willing to > have a storage unit as tall as 7' (or just over 2m > for you metric people). > Preferably, I'd like doors on it to keep dust out. > > Thanks, > Carl > > > From: Howard Spencer > > .... > > One for UK listers to try: unused/unwanted pants > as a means of CD > > storage. Beats naff ikea shelving. tee hee. > > Howard > > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Wire Politics Excerpts from mail: 17-May-100 RE: Wire Politics by "Ciscon, Ray"@comark.com > The only semi-overt political statement I can recall in a Wire song would be > in 'Cheeking Tongues' from The Ideal Copy. > > Anybody know of any others? The key word here is "semi-overt". Kidney Bingos, for example, is about Thatcher's changes to the British medical system (I think...). But you'd never guess that from a cursory glance at the lyrics! (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "I've been known to dabble." -007 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:35:22 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: Wire Politics >>I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire ever overtly discusses >>politics in their music. Not like Gang of Four or the Clash. I guess you >>could consider Reuters political? Mr. Suit? Wire has always been more >>apolitical, haven't they? >The only semi-overt political statement I can recall in a Wire song would be >in 'Cheeking Tongues' from The Ideal Copy. > >Anybody know of any others? ...ugh....grunt... ....must not be sucked into political discussion.... ...heave...urrgh...too late!!! (^_^) There are many reference to political topics in Wire's music. They're just not very overt. For instance, in "The Queen of Ur, and the King of Um": "Tainted Matthews in car-key relations/Gilt invitations to the blue queen's ball" According to "Everybody Loves a History" - this was a put down of yuppies, especially Thatcher's followers - Thatcher herself being the blue queen. And, Manscape had very stinging condemnations of politics dealing with the fall of the Berlin wall. For example, the line in "Life In The Manscape": "Free speech and More TV/Distribute liberally" Which was meant to illustrate the only benefit that Eastern Europe would be getting out of the fall of communism. If you're really interested in researching this topic further, I strongly urge picking up a copy of Kevin S. Eden's "Everybody Loves A History" if you haven't already. Facinating stuff, indeed! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:42:01 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Wire Politics Did the concept of 'Day Trading' exist when 'Morning Bell' was released? Perhaps you mean the stock market in general... I don't think that Kidney Bingos is about organlegging either... Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: Jack Steinmann [mailto:jsteinmann@clynch.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:57 PM To: george.m.hook@ac.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Wire Politics Kidney Bingoes is about trafficking organs, isn't it? Torch It seems to be about family life. The personal is political, etc. And Morning Bell about day traders? Hm. george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: >I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire ever overtly discusses >politics in their music. Not like Gang of Four or the Clash. I guess you >could consider Reuters political? Mr. Suit? Wire has always been more >apolitical, haven't they? So why are we talking politics? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: CD StorageB OK, I've been thinking about this a lot lately (my collection pales in comparison, but it's better to think it out before it gets out of control, eh?) and I've come up with something the readers of this list are almost guaranteed to fight about: If you MP3 your albums, you not only keep them out of the way and out of danger, but you have instant access to any of them. If you have a Mac, you can built a FileMaker database of all your music that can talk to SoundJam to play stuff. This means that you can get categories like "Chillful for dinner music" and it will play down your list of music in that category. Of course, you can have multiple categories for any given track. This also means that you can store your entire 74000 minute (max) collection in the space of a paperback book. The downside is obviosuly that, to do this for your whole collectin, you'd have to spend almost $3000 on storage. But, by the time you get there, maybe a 100G drive won't cost so much, eh? Of course, you could barcode (or just put numbers on them) and still use the database, which is what I'll probably do, but that doesn't store the stuff anywhere. - -Joshua On Wed, 17 May 2000, BillyD wrote: > A couple big shelving units in the spare room do > nicely. I can still have about 500 in the living room. > That's all the space my wife allows...but I must > rearrange them often as new cds come in the house. > Two alphabetical systems in the house don't work very > well. > > Cheers, > Billy > > --- Carl Archer wrote: > > I'm certain that many people on this list have huge > > CD collections. I'm > > approaching ownership of 1000 CDs and I'm now in > > need of something to put > > them in. Can anybody with a serious answer get back > > to me. I am willing to > > have a storage unit as tall as 7' (or just over 2m > > for you metric people). > > Preferably, I'd like doors on it to keep dust out. > > > > Thanks, > > Carl > > > > > From: Howard Spencer > > > .... > > > One for UK listers to try: unused/unwanted pants > > as a means of CD > > > storage. Beats naff ikea shelving. tee hee. > > > Howard > > > > > > > ===== > . ./\/\/\. > [ . . ] > /\ > -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. > http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 > http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:02:48 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire Politics Surely Mannequin is about __________ (fill in politician's name here). Dan >Kidney Bingoes is about trafficking organs, isn't it? > >Torch It seems to be about family life. The personal is political, etc. > >And Morning Bell about day traders? > >Hm. > > >george.m.hook@ac.com wrote: > >I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire ever overtly discusses > >politics in their music. Not like Gang of Four or the Clash. I guess >you > >could consider Reuters political? Mr. Suit? Wire has always been more > >apolitical, haven't they? So why are we talking politics? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:39:02 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: Wire Politics >I don't think that Kidney Bingos is about organlegging either... The song is about a lottery for human organs that was underway in England at the time. I remember a quote from "Everybody loves a history" where one of the lyric authors stated "Win a car, win a kidney". Again, I refer you to Kevin S. Eden's "Everybody Loves A History". No home should be without it. Cheers, Paul P.S. Sorry about the stilted tone of this message, but I'm typing this from a localized French keyboard, and all of the keys are switched around. For instance, the phrase "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" would be: the auick brozn fox ju,ps over the lqwy dog: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:57:56 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: New Bloke..... Hello people, Just a short note to say hello. I'm new to this group. A friend of mine in Chicago told me about it, sent me copies of some of the digests he gets and it seems like the level of debate is pretty ace. Anyway, I know it's a Wire based group, so just to qualify my presence.....I'm probably an old bastard compared to most of you lot. I first saw Wire supporting The Saints at the Marquee in, ooohhh, about May '77....Yep! That Fucking old... I always thought they were what Punk 'Should' have been at the time. Inventive, Intelligent and every so slightly quirky. Sadly, all too many of the band wagon jumpers at the time were Wankers who missed the point completely. Obviously, they proved there worth far beyond punk over the years and trancended that label. I also remember seeing them at The Notre Dam Hall, in London. They were supported by a group called Visa versa who weny on to become ABC!!! Yep, Heady days! Anyway, I'm off to see them at The Garage @ Highbury for the saturday night bash. I hope that all of you who are going have a good time. I generally try not to get too bogged down in the past, I listen to a lot of dance music these days, but I guess alittle bit of Nostalgia dont do too much harm;-) I hope you dont mind me sticking my nose into your debates now and again...See ya later....The Siam Cat........ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:44:05 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: CD StorageB >From owner-idealcopy Wed May 17 20:23:50 2000 Message-ID: <39230CC5.7576@att.net> From: ajwells@att.net Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:19:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: CD StorageB References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a great solution to the whole organization thing... I just dont bother with it... things just go where they fit... into the closet shelves, into various bins and boxes and behind the seats and in the trunk of my car... I can never find anything, but then I often have wonderful surprises of stumbling across things that I never realized that I even had! The whole anal record collector thing of alphabetizing and trying to control the whole ugly mess never even occurred to me... much to the dismay of my two roomates from my earlier years, who would keep lists and today have databases of all of their records... yikes!! I must have a missing male chromosome or something... And as for MP3ing my vinyl and discs, I would never ever entertain that idea... I want this world to get MORE physical, not less... even if its a pain to contain the mess... I cant imaging having all of the music I've ever heard on a playlist on my computer... that is a vision of hell to me... when my day of plinking these infernal keys is over, I dont want to see a VDT at all... give me hardware over software any day Aj ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #146 *******************************