From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #111 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 9 2002 Volume 11 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hot phallus looking for pregnent virgin [Aaron Mandel ] Dylan vr Beach Boys ["Spring Cherry" ] Oroborus [The Great Quail ] RE: M&W ["Bachman, Michael" ] White Stripes [Marshall Needleman Armintor ] Re: downward, heavenward [Miles Goosens ] very short concert review ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Oroborus [Miles Goosens ] Re: Dylan vr Beach Boys ["JH3" ] Re: Oroborus [The Great Quail ] utterly baffled [dmw ] Re: utterly baffled [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] a dilemma [Jill Brand ] jeu? nay! [drew ] very disturbing [Ken Weingold ] reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] speaking of the Osbournes.... [Christopher Gross ] Re: Cameron [steve ] Re: jeu? nay! [Steve Talkowski ] Re: a dilemma [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Monkeytime (NY show q&a) [Ken Weingold ] Re: Monkeytime (NY show q&a) ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Secret Cupboards (NR) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Oroborus [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Hot phallus looking for pregnent virgin On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > Hey, here's some Robtalk: I have yet to spring for ASFB or Robyn > Sings. What do you people think of these releases? Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone answered the *first* part of this... ASFB is absolutely essential, as far as I'm concerned; it's like a second disc of Jewels For Sophia. Maybe better. I'm still not sure about Robyn Sings -- they're good performances of good songs, but as Robyn says, he's just singing along with the records in his head. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:36:02 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: downward, heavenward Steven, Welcome to the List! >Just joined the mailing list and thought I'd pipe in. I'm in NYC and was >pleased to find out that Robyn will be at The Bottom Line this Friday! I >saw him there 2 years ago and the also caught him with The Soft Boys at >Irving Plaza last March (a truly amazing show). I always have a hard time >deciding which of the two performances to attend - I chose the early >(7:30pm) show. What's the general concensus here? There will be a bunch of us Fegs there at both shows -- most likely grouped together at a table in the front. You can't miss us. We'll look like Fegs. We'll have toast. Anyway, I always advise the first show, because if you like it, you can always (1) pony up the cost for the second, or (2) try to hide in the bathroom. Though if you like blinking, the second show is always a pleaser. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:12:02 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Dylan vr Beach Boys Drew asked for the quote from the notes of "Robyn Sings" that refers the The Beach Boys. Im at work now so I can only give a paraphrase, not the actual text. Robyn describes hearing "Desolation Row", wanting to hear it again, but figuring a Beach Boys LP will be substituted on the record player. He takes solace from the point that Beach Boy LPs are short, in fact so short, that one whole side can fit into a single Dylan song. I have perhaps overinterpreted this as a swipe at the Beach Boys. It just might have been that at the moment he prefered a glass of champagne over a bottle of robust and otherwise-invigorating, tasty plonk. Or not. - -- so to plonk or not... that -is- the etc Sorry. In fact, didn't he once list "Pet Sounds" as a favorite albumn,--or was that the other 2/3s of the Edgyptians? Kay, who recently had a Kiss This Guy moment upon learning that the lyrics were -not- "Give me the Beach Boys and free my soul..." (Thou they are ever so in my mind.)(Hey look Nat--no wrong apostropheies;-!) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:44:09 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Oroborus Yeah, the first two seasons of Millennium were some of the best TV I have ever seen -- right up there with Twin Peaks, I thought. That scene where a guy locks himself in a cabin and has crazy visions of the Apocalypse while Patti Smith's "Horses" plays out was amazing. Too bad they had to go and ruin the show the next season. "Too dark" my ass! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:00:30 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: M&W Morgan and Wong also created Space: Above and Beyond, between X-File stints. Speaking of the X-Files, Gene Hopstetter wrote the Brad Dourif was one of his favorite character actors. Brad was in the X-Files season one episode, Beyond The Sea. He gave a standout performance of the convict on death row would could converse with the dead. Michae; - -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:steveschiavo@mac.com] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:13 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: M&W On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 10:13 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > The people who made THE X-FILES special back in its heyday are all > named Morgan and Wong. And it's a pity they weren't allowed to finish Millennium. Their run there was astounding. - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:28:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: White Stripes <> My reaction's much the same as with the Strokes: they're good, and that's as far as I'll go. The aforementioned massive hype made me feel uncool _until_ I heard them; my initial reaction was, "Thank you, but I heard this all before, when it was the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion," a band I caught much heat and derision for enjoying, frequently, and loudly, on my car stereo. Strictly speaking, it's not a ripoff, and the Whites are good performers, but the hype does a disservice to the music: it's just not worth yelling that much about. A couple of my usually-discriminate friends fell prey to it. Any critic who writes reviews for publication and loooves the WSs but didn't approve of what the JSBX were doing is a rank hypocrite and/or has a tragically short memory, and I'm sure there are lot of 'em, so there. :) Any band that resurrects "Southern Can Is Mine" is worth listening to. Of course, I also think that Jon's previous band's LP _Dial M for Mother----er_ is an immortal classic, for what it's worth. If anyone's new to the list -- I don't post all that much -- I'm not usually this cranky, I'm just hacking through the last parts of my thesis right now, I'm a little on edge. Marshall np Joni Mitchell, _Court and Spark_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:35:19 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: downward, heavenward At 11:50 AM 4/7/2002 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >Hmph! Outsmarted myself again. I too had always thought it was "faith," >and I wrote it that way at first. Then I thought I should double-check. >I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of the Fegs, after all. So I >went to a lyrics website, and they said the lyric was "me." Now that I'm >at home I can look in the CD insert and see that it is, indeed, "faith," >as Drew and Jeff said. The moral here is, always trust your first >instincts. Or maybe, never trust the Internet. I was about to post and say that I always thought it was "faith," and that predated the time in which thoughts of the divine Dushku could have made my mind go all mondegreeny. I'm willing to let the BUFFY thread go for now, but not before I reply to a few more points: (1) The only BUFFY/ANGEL recurring female character that I haven't found at least cute (and yes, Jeff, Ms. Calender rates a "va-va-voom" but my vote still goes for Buffy) is ANGEL's Lila Morgan. She just doesn't do anything for me, dunno why. Everyone else -- Tara, Amy, the girl who starts in the Vampire cult and meets Buffy again in the big city and then runs the shelter on ANGEL (assist to Mr. Norman for noticing the latter), Fred, Ms. Calender, Anya, Darla, and the two biggest "ohmygawds" outside of Cordy, Faith and Drusilla, plus more that I'm unintentionally omitting -- well, wow. Maybe my dream job would be casting director for Joss Whedon. (2) Amy's super-witch powers? Dunno how she got so good so quick, but maybe it's in the genes, since her mom was accomplished enough to switch bodies with Amy, put hexes on rival cheerleaders, etc. But a sentence or two of exposition about how "magic powers flow strongly from mother to daughter" (but there's no Giles-type around to say it now) would have been nice. (3) "Beer Bad" would be among my favorite BUFFY episodes. If the "Thanksgiving Marathon" poll had let one vote for five episodes instead of three, I would have strongly considered it. This proves the longstanding internet mail list axiom that your favorites will be someone else's least favorites, and vice versa. I remember being shocked at one of the first Internet-fandom-type-thing X-FILES polls I saw -- it rated "Syzygy" (basic plot: teen girls, one of whom is played by THAT '70s SHOW's Lisa Robin Kelly, have the same birthday and gain witch-like powers through an astrological convergence) as the worst ever episode, whereas I thought it was a hoot and a half. blinking off, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:37:37 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: very short concert review So I went to see the Billy Nayer Show on Friday and was pretty disappointed. I was expecting some sort of multi-media extravaganza, since they make films and stuff, but it was just a band doing vaguely clever songs that didn't go anywhere. The lead singer was super-suave, however, dressed in a black suit and playing an auto-harp, and the bassist grimaced manfully like Kimberley Rew. Nevertheless, I spent half the show sitting in the back because my feet hurt, and if a band is dull enough for you to notice that your feet hurt, then that's a pretty dull band. I have nothing more to say at this time. n., who cares nothing for Buffy _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:49:24 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Oroborus At 10:44 AM 4/8/2002 -0500, The Great Quail wrote: >Yeah, the first two seasons of Millennium were some of the best TV I >have ever seen -- right up there with Twin Peaks, I thought. I wouldn't go that far with Season One. It was promising, but IMO not written nearly as well as it should have been -- it was pretty much "serial killer of the week," with Frank Black adding the occasional darkly portentous monologue about a greater evil at work, but then it was on to the next serial murderer. The photography and music were excellent, of course (anyone else notice a slide in that realm since THE X-FILES relocated production to L.A.?), but it was all looks and too little content. When Morgan and Wong took over for the second season, it was like they'd read my checklist for the show -- "Add really interesting overarching story, downplay wife and kid, make Millennium Group creepy, have Darin write a bunch of the stories"... And the results were superb. (I used to go around all the time during the first season of MILLENNIUM saying that THE X-FILES needed to lose its continuing story, and that MILLENNIUM needed to have one. I never imagined that Morgan and Wong would make one half of that sound prophetic!) >That scene where a guy locks himself in a cabin and has crazy visions >of the Apocalypse while Patti Smith's "Horses" plays out was amazing. It wasn't a guy, it was Lara Means. >Too bad they had to go and ruin the show the next season. "Too dark" my ass! If Chris Carter really was all he's cracked up to be, he would have kept Morgan and Wong on the show and threatened to take THE X-FILES (which was worth a lot more then) elsewhere if Fox didn't renew MILLENNIUM with the creative team intact. I'd be shocked if Morgan and Wong would ever work with Carter again. Season Three was most notable for the way the new MILLENNIUM creative team was forced to tie themselves in knots to explain away all the things that the Morgan/Morgan/Wong team had started in Season Two. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:48:21 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Dylan vr Beach Boys > I have perhaps overinterpreted this as a swipe at the > Beach Boys. It just might have been that at the moment > he prefered a glass of champagne over a bottle of robust > and otherwise-invigorating, tasty plonk. I wouldn't necessarily interpret it as a swipe, even though the word "sadly" is used. The exact quote is: "...The song ended and I waited to see if the owner of the LP ('Highway 61 Revisited') would stalk over to gramophone and flip the disc. Sadly, before he could do so, another lad put on a Beach Boys album. Still, they were always very short -- sometimes only 12 minutes a side. The cover of 'Highway 61' was propped up against the chimney breast. I glanced in the grate; another kid, smaller and weaker than me, was being turned on a spit. On the back of the LP cover, I saw that 'Desolation Row' (as it was really called) was over eleven minutes long. You could sink a whole Beach Boys side in one Dylan song!" Of course, for some of us that last bit would be a compliment, right? John H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:54:17 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Oroborus >I wouldn't go that far with Season One. It was promising, but IMO >not written nearly as well as it should have been -- it was pretty >much "serial killer of the week, Yeah, it started off like that, but it was still pretty inventive and stylish, and it built up some good momentum and ideas for Morgan and Wong to capitalize upon. >It wasn't a guy, it was Lara Means. Of course! Well, you know, it's been a few years. Hence my desire for a DVD set!!!!! >If Chris Carter really was all he's cracked up to be, he would have >kept Morgan and Wong on the show and threatened to take THE X-FILES >(which was worth a lot more then) elsewhere if Fox didn't renew >MILLENNIUM with the creative team intact. I'd be shocked if Morgan >and Wong would ever work with Carter again. See, I didn't know *any* of this political stuff. Based on what you guys have been saying, I will have to look more into Morgan & Wong. I suppose I had just assumed most of teh good stuff between shows was Carter. >Season Three was most notable for the way the new MILLENNIUM >creative team was forced to tie themselves in knots to explain away >all the things that the Morgan/Morgan/Wong team had started in >Season Two. It sucked, man. Season 3 sucked -- the spark was gone, and the show totally lost its balls. (And claws and fangs.) - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: utterly baffled charisma carpenter? really? hannigan, gellar, dushku, no problem. but carpenter?? chacun a son gout. mais pas pour moi. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:41:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: utterly baffled On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, dmw wrote: > charisma carpenter? really? At the risk of prolonging a pointles conversation...oh wait, this is fegmaniax, never mind. I would second your puzzlement if you were talking about CC on _Buffy_ - but her appearance on _Angel_, particularly since her haircut, is way, way better. (It probably helps that I like her *character* better as well.) But as you say, check on your son's gout... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: a dilemma Steve (hi and welcome!) pondered: I always have a hard time deciding which of the two performances to attend - I chose the early (7:30pm) show. What's the general concensus here? This is very easy. GO TO BOTH!! Just out of curiosity, are any fegs going to just one of the shows at the Bottom Line? For me, it's a no brainer. If I'm going to take the train from Boston, I want as much Robyn-per-mile as I can get. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:14:32 -0700 From: drew Subject: jeu? nay! > From: > Joshing aside, anything that Jeunet has had a hand in I'm sure is well > worth looking at, I don't like Jeunet very much, so I can't say whether his influence would justify the film for you. > but I can't stomach gore Yeah, don't see it. :) > I'm not > gonna comment on your not having seen _Blue Velvet_...except hie > yourself to > a video store, promptly, promptly. Oh, there are tons and tons of films I Should Have Seen but haven't. I've hardly seen any Lynch, which is weird, but more the result of not having anyone to watch it with than any reticence on my part. > From: Steve Talkowski > Nice to hear positive talk about a film I worked on a few years ago. > I'm a > computer animator and was the lead rigger and animator for the fourth > installment. We completed 20 shots for the film and my specific shots > were > when you first see the Alien swimming underwater and the sequence where > he > jumps out of the water and onto the ladder climbing up. Those were really impressive, I thought. Nice work! > I've only just recently stumbled upon them when I discovered the > incredibly > cool, animated LEGO video for "Fell In Love With A Girl": Yeah, see, that's how I first encountered them, as an internet "meme," which made them seem pretty novelty-act to me. I didn't like the song very much, but it's growing on me (it has a Buzzcocksy feel to it). The video is cool, I must admit, but unfortunately it has the result of not showing the band members, who are immensely cute, especially the boy. This cuteness is having an embarrassingly large influence on my desire to like them, but so far I have resisted jumping on the bandwagon. The Church show was FANTASTIC last night, with many songs from the past. I'll post about it in the next couple of days. Mark Kozelek (the core of Red House Painters) opened for them and he was totally captivating, as I expected. > From: steve > > I've read that they're after Cameron to direct Aliens 5, and he's free > after this season's final Dark Angel episode. That could be good or bad. Even the incredibly lovely Jessica Alba has not kept me watching Dark Angel, so I don't know if his recent work has been better than _Titanic_ would indicate. I had no interest in seeing _Ice Age_ and still don't, I'm afraid. I'm sure the animation is impressive but that alone doesn't hold my interest (hated _Shrek_ with all my heart and soul and head, for example). Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:22:19 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: very disturbing Except for Germans I guess.... - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:24:30 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: reap Frank Tovey James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: speaking of the Osbournes.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:31:07 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: Monkeytime (NY show q&a) At 02:59 PM 4/5/2002 +0000, the vivacious Spring Cherry wrote: >Is it time to plan NY show activities yet? I guess it is. What time were out-of-towners planning on showing up? Shall we all meet for drinks and dinner before the show? The area around Bottom Line has tons of restaurants but I'm not the authority on any of them (lj, Quail - any ideas?) I know some folks are spending the night with lj and Quail, but is there anyone else who needs a place to sleep? Let me know. Anyone staying through the weekend? I'm not sure what is going on in town but there's always plenty to do. I've been buried deep in work that I'm not sure of what's happening around town - although I am going to see Guided by Voices tomorrow night. Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday! s.mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:42:13 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Cameron >> I've read that they're after Cameron to direct Aliens 5, and he's free >> after this season's final Dark Angel episode. On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 07:14 PM, drew wrote: > That could be good or bad. Even the incredibly lovely Jessica Alba > has not kept me watching Dark Angel, so I don't know if his recent > work has been better than _Titanic_ would indicate. I was making a bit of a funny, as Cameron's season ending Dark Angel will be the first thing he's directed since Titanic. Trivia: Titanic's worldwide box office (imdb) - $1,835,300,000.00 - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:48:35 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: jeu? nay! on 4/8/02 8:14 PM, drew at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: >> Joshing aside, anything that Jeunet has had a hand in I'm sure is well >> worth looking at, > > I don't like Jeunet very much, so I can't say whether his influence > would justify the film for you. Delicatessen was pure brilliance, as was Amelie, but I'll tell you this, he was an absolute tyrant to work with during Alien Ressurection. His mission was to perpetrate the rude and extremely difficult Frenchman stereoype to a "T". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:04:16 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: a dilemma on 4/8/02 7:47 PM, Jill Brand at jlbrand@bu.edu wrote: > This is very easy. GO TO BOTH!! Ok ok, I'll reevaluate after the first show. Out of curiosity, who here was at The Bottom Line the last time Robyn was there? (2 years ago, I believe...) I was at the early show then and it was an incredible performance that was marred only by the presence of a very obnoxious and annoying "fan" who would whoop and holler at the beginning and end of EVERY SINGLE SONG. I was sitting at the same table as he and, somehow, found incredible restraint NOT to ask him to shut the fuck up. I honestly don't know if it was a personality disorder or just plain, oblivious rudeness, but it was driving those of us in his close proximity totally bonkers after the first 10-15 minutes. If said individual is a fellow feg, can I just offer a friendly "dude, CHILL!" so that everyone might enjoy the performance? Thanks for your support. This has been a public service announcement. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:39:18 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Monkeytime (NY show q&a) On Mon, Apr 8, 2002, mary wrote: > What time were out-of-towners planning on showing up? Shall we all meet for > drinks and dinner before the show? The area around Bottom Line has tons of > restaurants but I'm not the authority on any of them (lj, Quail - any > ideas?) There's A LOT of stuff around The Bottom Line. Good and cheap is Dojo. There is one right nearby, but it's not nearly as good as the one on St. Marks, which is also fairly close. Otherwise, there are tons of places around. > I know some folks are spending the night with lj and Quail, but is there > anyone else who needs a place to sleep? Let me know. I have a couch if someone needs, but no one ever wants to come out to Kensington, although it's only about another 15 minutes on the subway past LJ, Quail, Mary, etc. - -Ken, watching WRC highlights - yummm....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:23:58 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Monkeytime (NY show q&a) >From: mary > >At 02:59 PM 4/5/2002 +0000, the vivacious Spring Cherry wrote: > >>Is it time to plan NY show activities yet? > >I guess it is. Agreed. >What time were out-of-towners planning on showing up? Kathy and I are leaving Pennsauken around 2:30-2:45. We should get to NYC around 4:45-5:00, depending on traffic. >Shall we all meet for >drinks and dinner before the show? >>any ideas?) Sounds good to us! We are pretty much planning on driving back, we have a birthday party to attend on saturday afternoon. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:38:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Secret Cupboards (NR) On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, steve wrote: > > Last issue, ......... ......... lamented the lack of the > > bonus tracks listed at Amazon on his copy of "A Coat > > of Many Cupboards" from weatherbox. Playing a hunch, > > I stuck discs 2 and 3 of the box-set which I just got > > today into my CD player, pressed play, pause, and then > > REVERSE SCAN from the start of track one, and low and > > behold, the two hidden tracks start BEFORE track one. We *could* start a thread on other CDs with tracks so hidden (okay, three I know of: _Songs in the Key of X_, TMBG _Factory Showroom_, Preston School of Industry _All This Sounds Gas_), but I also have a question: Is there any trick to ripping these from the CD? They don't show up in my software (Exact Audio Copy), at least not as I have it configured right now. (It does list track 1's start time as however long the bonus tracks are, though: i.e., if there's 2:01 of bonus track beforehand, the start time for track 1is listed as 2:01 (plus whatever gap exists before) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ np: Guided by Voices _Mag Earwhig!_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:55:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Oroborus On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 10:44 AM 4/8/2002 -0500, The Great Quail wrote: > >Yeah, the first two seasons of Millennium were some of the best TV I > >have ever seen -- right up there with Twin Peaks, I thought. > > I wouldn't go that far with Season One. Nor would I...although I do think it fairly quickly got to be pretty damned good. But not a patch on Season 2. > the next serial murderer. The photography and music were excellent, of > course (anyone else notice a slide in that realm since THE X-FILES > relocated production to L.A.?) Absolutely. Apparently the British Columbian light was a key cast member after all... > >That scene where a guy locks himself in a cabin and has crazy visions > >of the Apocalypse while Patti Smith's "Horses" plays out was amazing. > > It wasn't a guy, it was Lara Means. My only complaint there was that the producers apparently wanted to have a go at doing a music video - since, apparently, there wasn't one for "Horses," they made one. Great song, of course, and overall I liked the visuals, but there was a little too much word-painting for my taste: the visuals too often literally depicted the words, and the visual rhythm stuck too close to the musical rhythm. I'm being ultrapicky - I liked it a lot. > Season Three was most notable for the way the new MILLENNIUM creative team > was forced to tie themselves in knots to explain away all the things that > the Morgan/Morgan/Wong team had started in Season Two. Season 3 began terribly, if I recall - and it sort of had begun to right itself about midseason - but I agree (I think Miles is implying this) that it desperately needed some sort of overarching vision to tie things together: it seemed scattershot in many ways, including characterization. Which season was it when Frank Black suddenly got weird in a sort of black-comical way...suddenly revealed as having a sort of peculiar taste in music, etc.? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #111 ********************************