From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #155 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 21 1998 Volume 07 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- bye, bye linda. [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] how will the Paul survive? [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: bye, bye linda. [tanter ] Re: Gump and Gumper [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Paul's tribute to Linda [tanter ] Re: i wish i was mr. horton [Christopher Gross ] Re: One of those *impassioned* posts [The Great Quail ] Paul's next [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: Paul's next [Eb ] Jello For the Defense [JH3 ] Timmy the K, caps & covers [Jonathan Turner ] Re: bye, bye linda. [M R Godwin ] Re: Americanisation [M R Godwin ] Fwd: Re: Paul's next ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Americanisation [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: Americanisation [Jonathan Turner ] Re: Americanisation [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Crunchy Quails [Natalie Jacobs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:57:26 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: bye, bye linda. On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:45:06 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >>> P.S. So sad about linda...now we can't joke about her keyboard >>>abilities anymore! So, you think Paul's next album will be a bit >>>darker (better?) without his other half around? > >>I wouldn't be surprised if there is never a "next album." She was so >>integral in his composing process--she was the inspiration for so much in >>his life. I hope he can go on and keep working but if he stopped, I could >>understand why. I feel badly for him. She really was a decent person. > >I would tend to agree with Marcy here. They really were partners in every sense. > >I happened on a news special yesterday about her life and death, and one of >the things that really struck me about it was that she was a real class act. >I may not have agreed with everything she said or did or liked the way she >went about things sometimes. But I have to say she weathered the whole " >you're part of the beatles break up", "you're just in the band because >you're Paul's wife", and associated life as a Beatle consort thing with a >fair amount of dignity and grace. And she struggled admirably to have her >own life as a person outside of everything else, continuing on as a >photographer and activist. I don't know if all of us would be able to stand >up to the pressure and the prejudices that she had to live with as well as >she did. It's no mean feat to keep a marriage and family together and >functioning under as much scrutiny as they did, and she was very much >responsible for that. This is all true; indeed, I don't think Sir Mac will record (he DEFINATELY won't tour again, IMO.) again. If he does, though, it will be either a) lackluster (even by some of HIS later standards). b) REALLY creepy, maybe more Richard Thompson than RT. (remember, he DID write "for no one" off revolver). Linda herself seemed to be a very good person, too. And, her (and his) vegetarianism (even on the Simpsons!) were quite admirable. One question: has anyone SEEN her photos? was her art any good? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:01:54 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: how will the Paul survive? On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:45:06 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Linda and Paul were truly a couple, completely. Which is more than many of >us can say for our lives. I doubt there will be another record from Paul, >although anything later in his career, I do not care for, they (I tend to >speak of them as one) were an inspiration to myself and probably every veg*n >in the english speaking world (plus some). myself included....(though Robyn's lack of meat in his diet pushed me more than Maccas.) > >all in all a fine woman that the world is a darker place without. Here's a question: will Paul LIVE? I mean, I saw my Uncle die soon after his wife...Considering how much they were one person, is it possible that he may not be able to cope, and just die in his sleep? people DO "die for love", you know...mental suicide. -luther In lighter comments, did anyone else in MD see "the Velevet Underground" movie at the U of MD on sunday afternoon? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:15:40 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: bye, bye linda. At 11:57 PM 4/20/1998 +0000, you wrote: > > Linda herself seemed to be a very good person, too. And, her >(and his) vegetarianism (even on the Simpsons!) were quite admirable. > One question: has anyone SEEN her photos? was her art any >good? her photos were great. My father-in-law was once on a train with the McCartneys for 2 hrs. Just the 3 of them. He says they were very lovely, not at all pretentious or snobby and just really down to earth. I'm sorry she's gone--she was way too young to die. marcy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:21:03 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Gump and Gumper >>A person's >>intelligence can propel him only so far, the rest is luck. >e.g. Mark Gloster. Uh. Thanks. I think. Actually I am a bit of an idiot/savant. I have that happy-go-mucky-the-pigness and entire sections of my brain are completely undeveloped/nonexistent. At the same time, I am able to reach high brain function in designing printed circuit boards, writing music carefully demographically niched target areas which lie just outside of commercial radio, and of course making rude noises with my armpits. I nodded mostly with Quail's post, and felt that he made allowances for crochety old nutters like myself who just don't have time or interest in living in psych wards, helping people. However, it is the purpose of most people to get in Tom's way on the freeway. This is DNA-encoded, rather than being an issue of choice or education. I think we've all learned a lot today. gumpfully yours, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:18:57 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Paul's tribute to Linda From the Linda McCartney list: from the London Evening Standard >Paul's song tribute to Linda > > by Gervase Webb > > A final album of Linda McCartney's songs and an exhibition of her >previously > unseen photographs of the last days of The Beatles are to be >released as a > memorial by her grieving husband. > > Sir Paul McCartney is planning to release a collection of songs >written > by his wife and jointly performed by them as a tribute. The couple >had been working on a number of lyrics until a few days before her death >on Friday. > > Sir Paul's publicist, Geoff Baker, said today: "Paul will be > working on songs that Linda had written. Some form of > CD will probably be released as a tribute to Linda's life > and talents. That is something she wanted to happen. Paul > and Linda had finished two songs and several more were > half-finished." > > Mr Baker also revealed that Lady McCartney had only > recently rediscovered 40 rolls of film from a series of > photographic sessions with the Beatles shortly before they > split. "It has never been seen before. Paul is thinking along > the lines of an exhibition or possibly a book." > > When asked where proceeds from either of these projects > would go, Mr Baker replied: "He hasn't even thought > about that yet. He doesn't want money - he wants his wife > back." Sir Paul today appealed for time to grieve as he > arrived back in Britain for the first time since Linda's > death. He and the couple's children returned to their home > near Rye, Sussex, last night after flying from a private > cremation ceremony near their holiday home in Santa > Barbara where Lady McCartney lost her battle against > cancer. > > The couple rarely spent more than one night apart in 29 > years of marriage and today Mr Baker said: "Paul is > devastated and just needs some time to come to terms > with his tremendous loss." > > Linda had fought against her cancer to the last, it emerged > today. Shortly before she died she was treated in New > York with an experimental new treatment known as > "aggressive high-dose chemotherapy." > > The couple had threechildren, Mary, Stella and James. > Linda also had a daughter, Heather, from her first > marriage. > > A statement from the family said Linda, 56, "was > diagnosed in late 1995 with breast cancer, she had been > having treatment which appeared to have worked well. > But unfortunately in March it was found that it had gone to > her liver. The blessing was that the end came quickly and > she didn't suffer." > >-- >Susan Petersen, Lincoln, Nebraska USA, mailto:sumaree@inetnebr.com >Editor, The Beatles Collector >http://incolor.inetnebr.com/sumaree/collector >The Sooz Page: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/sumaree > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: i wish i was mr. horton On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > i *suppose* you could say that "semen stains the mountaintops" is more > daring lyrically than Happy The Golden Prince if only because tipper > gore's goon squad is too fucking stupid to try to figure out what songs > mean (this is the group, after all, that cracked down on BEDTIME FOR > DEMOCRACY because of the album art rather than the lyric sheet...) Wasn't it _Frankenchrist_ that they cracked down on, for the poster included with the LP (HR Giger's "Penis Landscape")? Or did they do both? > but you know what? i don't completely disagree with you. america's > *intentions* are really no worse than germany's or indonesia's or > russia's or whoever. however, we happened to have had the most *power* > to carry out our intentions than any other place in history. so the > results have been overwhelmingly more horrifying. I don't agree with this part, that America's actions have been "overwhelmingly more horrifying" than those of other countries. Depends on your criteria for horror, I guess. > the other point is, > we aren't *in* germany or indonesia or russia. we're in america. so > we've a responsibility (a massive responsibility --jeez, that's a hard > word to type) to try to change it, regardless of our relative ranking on > the evil scale. Hear, hear! On *this* point, I couldn't agree more. > but i feel compelled to add, quail, that all the qualities you > adore in humans -- the qualities that *make* us human -- are worthless > in a capitalist society. human qualities are subsumed to the insatiable > apetite of the multinational corporation. i'm sorry if that sounds > simplistic, but it does have the virtue of being the truth. Here, though, you're flat out wrong. I'm sorry if that sounds simplistic, but it does have the virtue of being the truth. So nyah nyah nyah nyah nyaaaah-nyah! - --Chris np: Helium, The Magic City (a slight change of mood from Skinny Puppy....) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: watch your intelligence On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, amadain wrote: > It's for sure the only school -I- know of where there is rampant > and emotional student protest every time someone proposes lessening degree > requirements and where for a long time people camped out all night (a campus > wide party known as "sleepout", now banned by the ruling powers because of > bogus "safety" concerns- no one was ever injured at a sleepout, to my > knowledge- yes, I AM unhappy about it) to get good registration spots. My gawd! Don't they have telephone registration in Chicago yet? But the intellectual level of University of Chicago students certainly sounds impressive (even if they are registering in person, and perhaps writing with quill pens by the light of goat's-fat rushes). Here at GWU (stereo)typical students never reads a book outside of their syllabi -- not because they're stupid, and not because they're getting drunk every night, but because they're busy at their resume-building internships and business-frat networking socials. > I think it's also because generally people don't much like "different". > Hence, abominations like McDonald's- a lot of people would rather have > "consistent" even if consistent is bad, than new experience. Agreed. By avoiding the new, strange and different interests, people can play it safe on several levels. On a practical level, they avoid the danger of wasting time, money, mental energy, whatever, on something that proves unsatisfying. On the psychological level, they avoid the possibility of confusion and even loss of self-esteem from starting at the beginning with something new and untried; if you stick with what you know, you can consider yourself an expert. And, on the social level (the one I was thinking of in my earlier post), you can only judge other people by their interests if you're familiar with those interests. Therefore, one may feel an urge to denigrate other people's new, strange and different interests, rather than concede the possibility that their interests are better than one's own. Prawns on ya, baby.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:33:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Calling Miss Anthropy! On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > You know, there's been a lot of talk on this list lately in the vein of > "Most people are only drones and worker ants, but I confess they at least > have cute antennae," and "There may be only 100 cool people in the world > and they all seem to hang out at my dorm and watch the Simpsons," and > "Gosh! Why am I surrounded by idiots all day long?" and that sort of > thing. > > Well, let me go out on a limb here: > > I actually *like* people. [snip!] A very long and eloquent post from the Quail (followed, I see, by an even longer and more eloquent reply from Capuchin -- so long and eloquent that I haven't finished reading it yet). I can certainly see the Quail's point, although I can't quite convince myself that I'm a good enough person to feel the same way he does. Right now I'd just like to add a quick word in defense of misanthropes [1]. Someone Famous [2] once said that a misanthrope is someone who hates the human race because he loves human beings. He (or she) is really a disappointed idealist who is embittered by the sufferings some people inflict on others, or by the failure of most people to live up to his/her ideals. While the people-lover (philanthrope?) is able to deal with others' failings and look beyond them, or else ignore them in the first place, the misanthrope can do neither. The misanthrope is a philanthrope with a thin skin. Of course, this can't apply to every misanthrope. (Never let it be said that I elevate the general over the particular!) [3] Sometimes misanthropy may stem from simple bad nature, or a chemical imbalance in the brain. But I suspect that a lot of people haters started out as people-lovers but couldn't handle the rocky parts of the relationship. As so often happens, hatred is the result of thwarted love. - --Chris np: Skinny Puppy [4], Last Rights NOTES: [1] This is not meant to imply that those of us who think we're smarter than everyone else are necessarily misanthropes. [2] I have to admit, I'm writing this in my office in a good-sized university library, but I'm too lazy to run upstairs and grab a copy of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations [3] Jeez, how many parentheses am I going to work into this post? [4] Now there's a band to make you think happy thoughts! ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 20:52:10 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: One of those *impassioned* posts Capuchin ended with: >I hope I've made my view clear and I hope someone else has had a good read >and maybe thought about something differently. Yeah, I think I'm right, >but that doesn't mean I'll defend my words to the death, only until I >wouldn't call them my words anymore. I am just posting this to the whole List because I felt that Capuchin's post was one of the most intelligent, honest, and well-worded things I have read in a long time. His comments about hate, about repression -- wonderful. And though we have always had our disagreements in the past, I just wanted to say that -- scarily enough, Mr. Hooded Monkey -- we seem to be in almost complete agreement except for that one fundamental thing. About love. This is something you and I have hashed over before on list and off -- and you think *you* are an incurable Romantic? -- but I will always come down to saying that Love is the most important thing: the only thing, really, in the end. And if that is an illusion as you believe, then so be it: in this fallen world, some of the most powerful things *are* illusions. It keeps me going, it keeps we wanting to wake up in the morning. So I declare my own reality perfectly valid, and I proclaim -- I shout! I stand on my dustspeck and I holler out to the whole world (or at least the List!) -- "I believe in love! I do, oh I *do* think it is the engine that drives this whole creaking imperfect machine!" Ah, one day Mr. J, we shall meet in a pub and we shall match your good-hearted cynicism with my wary idealism, your world of details with my deconstructed simplicities, and we shall see which ones dissolve first under a flurry of pints and hours of delightful argumentation! I will look forward to that day. - --Quail, who if he does not end this thread soon, will end up in a field somewhere shouting "YES!" at random trees. - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:09:34 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Ice Castles... In all honesty, when they make me king of the world, it will be considered child neglect, endangerment, and abuse for any kid to be in viewing distance of movies like it. Also for gooey nostalgic reveling stuff like Puked On By an Angel. Or those headliney movie of the week things. Susan Dodge has started to cringe every time I post, and that movie bit about how I hated Ice Castles must have pushed her over the top. I suppose that her ensuing purge of family memories (punch the pillow again, Susan and say "Mommy") may have been somewhat therapeutic for her. Her quite reasonable reaction reminds me of the story on NPR a year or so ago when they talked about the most insidious pop songs that get inside your head and won't leave. They got hate mail for suggesting even the names of the songs, which their audience was thrown into the horrible echoes of the horrible ditties. I will spare you that list. I would try to be a merciful king after all. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:26:32 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: One of those *impassioned* posts Quail, I think I speak for everyone on the List when I say, why don't you and Capuchin take your flirting to private email?!?! Mrs. Liam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:13:01 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Paul's next Paul McCartney is renowned for needing someone to bounce musical ideas off, so the suggestion that Linda's death might lead to the end of his recording career is not a silly one. However, I'm wondering whether he'll again call on the two people he renewed his acquaintance with last year. What were their names... George Harris and Ringly Stamp or something? James PS - nice well reasoned sermon GQ. People are, E&OE, pretty cool beings. Sometimes they can be problematical when things go wrong with them, or when two many of them start trying to do the same thing at the same time, but that happens with any species, I guess. Yay for people I say - that's why I'm doing this psych stuff, because I like people. PPS - I'm sure my PS didn't come across quite as I intended. It isn't meant tongue in cheek. I do agree with GQ, and think that people are, all in all, likeable. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:43:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Paul's next >Paul McCartney is renowned for needing someone to bounce musical ideas off, >so the suggestion that Linda's death might lead to the end of his recording >career is not a silly one. However, I'm wondering whether he'll again call >on the two people he renewed his acquaintance with last year. What were >their names... George Harris and Ringly Stamp or something? Personally, I'm expecting the inevitable Jim Thirlwell collaboration. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:50:33 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Jello For the Defense >> i *suppose* you could say that "semen stains the mountaintops" is more >> daring lyrically than Happy The Golden Prince if only because tipper >> gore's goon squad is too fucking stupid to try to figure out what songs >> mean (this is the group, after all, that cracked down on BEDTIME FOR >> DEMOCRACY because of the album art rather than the lyric sheet...) >Wasn't it _Frankenchrist_ that they cracked down on, for the poster >included with the LP (HR Giger's "Penis Landscape")? Or did they do both? The state of California prosecuted Jello Biafra for the Frankenchrist cover under their obscenity code and lost, but only after forcing Alternative Tentacles to spend tens of thousands defending themselves. Around the same time The Sounds of Sunshine sued the DK's for using their photo on the back cover of Fresh Fruit and I *think* that one was settled out of court. IIRC Tipper Gore and her crew weren't directly involved in either of those debacles, but Tipper and Jello were thrown together on a few daytime teevee talk shows in the late 80's to provide lively, entertaining arguments on the censorship issue for jaded U.S. housewives. (Jello needed the money, which is understandable.) Several televangelists have also used various DK's albums as fundraising material and perhaps still do (though the gangsta rap genre has probably given them way more fodder than they could ever need). I don't recall any legal wrangles over Bedtime for Democracy, but by that time I had already switched to listening mainly to comparatively wimpy British pop music like... hey, what's that guy's name again? Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:53:13 +0000 From: Jonathan Turner Subject: Timmy the K, caps & covers Tim Keegan (he plays with Robyn a lot, you know) has a couple of solo dates at the 12 Bar in London on May 22nd and 23rd, supporting Richard Davies. Some band called Natural Milk Hotel are bottom of the bill - I think I've seen their name mentioned once or twice on this list, and they do sound like healthy chaps! Griffith wrote: > Also, this person was wearing a baseball cap. I've never >seen Robyn wear a hat before. I can't believe Robyn would ever wear a baseball cap. It's not like he's an old English folkie hiding his bald spot or anything like that. Speaking of Britfolk, two nice covers of olde English ones by visiting Americans last night - Chris & Carla's minimalist take on "There Is A Light That Will Never Go Out" at the Borderline, and Mark Mulcahy's impromptu solo version of "Safe European Home" at the 12 Bar. This is a trend I'd like to see encouraged - any volunteers ready to shout "I Wanna Destroy You" at the next Alanis Morrisette gig ? "Agony of Pleasure" at Diamanda Galas ? Jonathan. PS Am I alone in finding some of the recent "Hey! Some tragedy in Paul's life! Maybe he'll make a good album now!" posts a little distasteful ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:16:57 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: bye, bye linda. On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, David W. Dudich wrote: > Linda herself seemed to be a very good person, too. And, her > (and his) vegetarianism (even on the Simpsons!) were quite admirable. > One question: has anyone SEEN her photos? was her art any > good? Her Hendrix pictures are excellent. For anyone thinking of sending a tribute, may I point out that Paul has asked that you make a donation to animal rights or to non-animal-using cancer research instead. Or better still "go veggie"! - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:32:42 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Americanisation On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Capuchin wrote: > A little background: I read somewhere recently that the > French (or someone equally indignant) were angry that "modernization" is > synonymous with "Americanization". I'm sure this is true. I recently saw a (colour-restored) print of Jacques ^ Tati's "Jour de Fete" (1949) where he is an amiable, easy-going village postman, always willing to nip off for a drink in the middle of his round. He sees a documentary about how American postman deliver in helicopters, use mechanised sorting etc, and decides to become 'Americain' - i.e. efficient. Of course, being Tati, it all ends in disaster with his bicyclette in the duck pond (lac du canards?). It's largely a silent comedy, with odd people muttering "Francois est Americain, hein?" and suchlike, but the underlying moral is that the easy-going life of the campagne is _better_ than the soulless pursuit of efficiency. I seem to remember that he plugs a similar message less amusingly in films like 'Mon Oncle' and 'Playtime'. - - Mike Godwin PS to Susan "_Sorted_ for Es and Whizz" - no young person in the UK (and when I say young I mean under 40) would ever say "sorted out". PPS How do you do a cedilla in ASCII? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:02:16 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Fwd: Re: Paul's next Eb said: >Personally, I'm expecting the inevitable Jim Thirlwell collaboration [with >Paul McCartney]. I think a collaboration with Steve Albini is more probable, however. But Jim did do a good job with "I Am The Walrus." ++++++++ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Online Design Specialist II E-Doc + gene@edoc.com + http://www.edoc.com Voice: 410-691-6265 + Fax: 410-691-6265 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:22:40 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Americanisation >PS to Susan "_Sorted_ for Es and Whizz" - no young person in the UK >(and when I say young I mean under 40) would ever say "sorted out". Well that's the song. It's called "Sorted Out for E's and Whizz". And the repeated chorus is "but that's ok cause we're all sorted out for e's and whizz". Trust me, I own the album and I've listened to it maybe hundreds of times, and I have no doubt- it's even spelled/listed like that on the record. There is a lyric where some one says "Nice one/Geezer/And that's as far as the conversation went", so maybe that part is a sort of joke on how he was really too old to be at raves anyway and his lingo gave it away. Jarvis Cocker is definitely well under 40 (33, IIRC). Of course he is from Sheffield, and he's always saying how backward Sheffield is, so maybe that splains it, I don't know. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:43:03 +0000 From: Jonathan Turner Subject: Re: Americanisation Susan D wrote: >Well that's the song. It's called "Sorted Out for E's and Whizz". It's "Sorted for E's and Whizz" on the sleeve. >And the >repeated chorus is "but that's ok cause we're all sorted out for e's and >whizz". I think you're right about what's actually sung. But remember not to read the lyrics while listening to the song :) I hope that's sorted out. Jonathan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:04:09 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Americanisation > >Susan D wrote: >>Well that's the song. It's called "Sorted Out for E's and Whizz". > >It's "Sorted for E's and Whizz" on the sleeve. Could be. I haven't seen it, I was only talking about how it is listed on the (American) CD of the album, not the single. >>And the >>repeated chorus is "but that's ok cause we're all sorted out for e's and >>whizz". > >I think you're right about what's actually sung. I know I am. I've only listened to it many many times (possibly hundreds, as I said- the album is a favorite of mine :). He clearly says "Sorted OUT". Gad, won't someone else who owns it back me up? :) But remember not to >read the lyrics while listening to the song :) Yes, I saw the nota bene not to read them WHILST I listened :), Love on ya, Susan > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:02:33 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Crunchy Quails The Black Cauldron is still my favourite, >though. Needless to say, the Walt Disney film was an absolute travesty, >with Gurgi turned into a talking Skye terrier... Di$ney is evil, evil, evil. I love the Lloyd Alexander books, but I never wanted to see the Di$ney film because I knew they'd screw it up. I guess I was right. I'm just glad Di$ney never made a film of my favorite childhood book ever, "Goodnight Moon." They'd probably add a love story and get Celine Dion to do the theme song. I'd actually be really interested to hear what >either of them thinks of Brian Eno and his "oblique strategies" (oh man, I'm >having amnesia again, I don't think that's the right name, but you know what >I'm talking about). Yes, that's right. I wonder how much these guys would get out of the Oblique Strategies (if they don't look down their noses at Eno for being an old fogey) - the Strategies are designed for people who are looking for ways to get out of creative or artistic ruts, but these guys seem pretty happy in their rut (if, indeed, they consider themselves to be in one). >I *like* people. And I like you, Quail. So there. >How much easier it is to be cynical, to be aloof, to be dismissive -- and >how much harder it is to forgive. To accept -- and better, to constantly >try to *change* the things, the people around you -- and yet be open to >change in your own heart. You're right, of course. But it's even more difficult than you make it out to be. I know I don't have a lot in common with most of the people in the world. I'm smart and I have an English major's vocabulary; I have a very sick sense of humor; I like books and films and music that are pretty unusual; my political and religious beliefs are hardly mainstream; and so on and so forth. None of this makes me *better* than anyone else. But (and here's the catch) it's *very tempting* to think so. It's very easy to go from "I'm different" to "I'm superior." It's safe. It makes you feel better. It keeps you from having to relate to people who aren't like you. And it's something that I do more often than I like. Your sentiments are noble, Quail, and I have to admire you for displaying a type of kindness and tolerance which is a lot more difficult for me to find in myself. Love and forgiveness are good things, no doubt about it, but love as an abstract concept doesn't mean a whole lot to me, and forgiveness is never something I've been very good at (it's taken me nearly 20 years to forgive the school bully!). So basically, while I see your point and basically agree with it, like all things involving human nature, I think it's a lot more complicated and messier than it seems, and depends a lot on the individuals involved. (Of course, it's that whole messiness of human nature that makes it so endlessly fascinating... and gives folks like Robyn something to write about - not to mention yer man James Joyce and a thousand other artists throughout history.) n. p.s. Best movie that nobody ever sees - "Passion Fish," dir. John Sayles. Speaking of messy human natures... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #155 *******************************