From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V10 #89 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, March 30 2004 Volume 10 : Number 089 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: TV shows on DVD ["John Zimmer" ] Jem ["John Zimmer" ] Re: TWIN PEAKS and ABFAB question [irvin lin ] Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ] Jem/Wonderfalls [birdie ] Re: Britcoms [Todd Pierce ] Re: britcoms [Allan Anderson ] Re: Britcoms [Cheri Villines ] Re: Britcoms [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: "off topic" ? ["Doug" ] Re: ecto-digest V10 #82 ["jessica weiser" ] new Sarah Harmer? ["neal copperman" ] Carina Round video ["Adam K." ] Re: Britcoms [Ethan Straffin ] on music sharing and sales [andrew fries ] britcoms ["dave" ] Petracovich in San Francisco tomorrow (fwd) [Neile Graham ] Veda Hille news [jmgurley@drizzle.com] Kyler NYC show / new artist ["jessica weiser" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:58:12 -0800 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Re: TV shows on DVD Ethan wrote: > Sigh. I really want to like Wonderfalls, out of respect for those > involved if nothing else. At the same time, it's *so* > self-consciously quirky and offbeat that I just can't get into it. > At some point, if you're going to go that route, you still need > to bring the genuine funny along with the quirkiness and > offbeatitude -- and I'm just not seeing it doing that. Same here. I've just found it hard to give much of a damn about the characters. I've got the third episode sitting on tape, and will probably watch it at some point this week, but I'm not expecting to watch a fourth. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:15:46 -0800 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Jem After hearing some tantalizing snippets on radio and the website, I was hoping to be more knocked out by _Finally Woken_ than I have been, but this is admittedly after a single listen to the CD. I can hear the reasons for the trip-hop references, but vocally I also hear some similarities with Beth Orton as well (with maybe a dash of Dusty Springfield), and my initial reaction to Beth's music was also an ambivalent one. She's now one of my absolute favorites, so Jem may be another case where repeated applications are called for. :) John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:36:45 -0800 From: irvin lin Subject: Re: TWIN PEAKS and ABFAB question > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:04:22 +0100 > From: adamk@zoom.co.uk > Meanwhile, I'm hoping for the second series of Twin Peaks on DVD, but know > that if I go too far down that road, there'd be no stopping me, and I'd be > reliving my youth on DVD -- MASH, The Carol Burnett Show, Northern Exposure > (oh, how I loved that one!)-it would all be too much! Well you might be waiting a long while for a REGION 1 version of TWIN PEAKS season two. Apparently it's in limbo because the first box set didn't make enough money to justify releasing the second. *sigh* Anyway there's still glimmers of hope, but I'm not really holding my breath. I think there are plans of an australian release, as well as a region 2 european release. I guess if you have a multi-region player more power to you. There's a rather old article about it at http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=815 Irvin Ps. Speaking of BRITcoms, can anyone tell me what they thought of ABFAB season five? I LOVED the first three seasons, wasn't overly crazy about THE LAST SHOUT special, and was rather disappointed with the fourth season. I didn't bother to see the NEW YORK special, and now I am wondering if it is worth picking up the fifth season. Any thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:16:06 -0800 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 28 March 2004 New Guide entries added for: * Mandalay (by request) Changes made to the entries for: * Mary Black (additional album) * Dido (new album) * Indigo Girls (new album) * Jonathan Incorporated (new album) * Rickie Lee Jones (new album) * Nerissa & Katryna Nields (new album) * Beth Orton (new album) * Varttina (new album) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.ectoguide.org/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.ectoguide.org/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:18:58 -0500 (EST) From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: "off topic" ? Well, Anna Maria, it looks like you've hit a nerve here. With all of the posts about Buffy et al this appears to be very much "on topic". and it really is (kind of) since sometimes the posts even discuss the incidental music on these shows. Anyway, I thought that some people might be interested to know that, according to a recent article in USA Today, "Stewie lives". That is to say that, due to strong dvd sales, 'Family Guy" is actually going to re-enter production.. The hope I believe is not so much to improve on prior ratings as it is to be able to generate more sales (dvds, a video game, etc.). Also, to get to that magic 85 episode mark for syndication purposes. Now if someone would just put Crusader Rabbit and/or Duckman on dvd. And Duckman must be on topic; how else do you explain the "Exile in Guyville" episode Cheers. np: Squirrel Nut Zippers- Hot nr: Scott Adams- All Dressed Down and Nowhere to Go. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lauren Young Subject: Re: Tribe's _Here at the Home_ Ethan, > Has anyone by any chance burned a CD of this, now that the original > release is loster than lost? One of these decades, I still need to > hear it. Yes, I have a copy. A friend from my years living in the Boston area recently burned me one to replace the tape that was falling apart on me. It may take me some time, but if you send me your address privately I will get a CD to you. > Looks like _Abort_ went out of print...again. I hate that. It > would > still be on my list of ten desert-island discs. I have this one too if you need it. Personally I find Here at the Home to be a vastly superior album and only revisit Abort once in a blue moon so I can hear "Serenade", the only newer track on that CD that I find stands up to the older material. Too bad, as I'd been excited enough about Abort to attend the CD release party the band held at one of the clubs on Landsdowne Street in Boston. The production is quite different on the two CDs and virtually all of the eight tracks that are duplicated - the title track is the only exception that comes to mind - sound very dissimilar as well. Abort is glossier, with a typical early-nineties alt-rock sound, and the songs have been sped up to make them seem bouncier and poppier. Here at the Home is more of a straight-rock album with some darker, near-gothic flourishes - sort of a midpoint between the Cure's "Kiss Me CD and old Blue Oyster Cult (yes I do remember seeing them cover Godzilla at the Middle East in Cambridge's Central Square). For the uninitiated, yes it works, like crazy. I find that the more deliberate tempo gives the songs much more immediacy. Here at the Home is probably one of my five favorite albums of all time. YMMV, of course...I never was much of a fan of early-nineties major-label "alternative". Lauren ===== "You get what you settle for." -- Louise Sawyer (Susan Sarandon) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:17:07 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Jem/Wonderfalls Speaking of Jem - a few of her songs have been picked to be used in Wonderfalls. Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Pierce Subject: Re: Britcoms Blackadder...yes yes yes! There is a wonderful complete DVD that contains all four seasons plus the Blackadder 5 special. I always liked the 3rd season the best, Hugh Laurie's Prince Regent is so over the top and a wonderful foil for Rowan Atkinson's dry wit. Speaking of British shows I recently bought the first season of Monarch of the Glen on DVD. It's a drama about a young man in London called back to the family estate in Scotland to become the reluctant new laird. The show can be a little sappy at times, but it can also be at turns hilarious and touching, and the scenery (both the landscape and the Scottish lassie varieties) is stunning. Highly recommended. Oh and I rented the first season of the BBC's The Office. A comedy without a laugh track. (The best kind I think - whenever I watch American comedies now I just cringe at the canned laughter. Why can't I decide what is supposed to be funny?) The shows were a bit uneven but some of them were brilliant. The Office is filmed like a documentary, in many ways it reminded me of the Australian sitcom The Games, which supposedly followed the preparations for the Sydney Olympics and had such wonderful plots such as the Aussies promising to move the hole in the ozone layer so it wouldn't be right over Syndey causing skin cancer in the athletes, and trying to figure out what to do about an 100m track that was actually 98 meters long to make room for the television cameras. A show that will probably NEVER make it onto USA compatible DVDs. I also got Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere on DVD, someone said it comes across as another Dr Who episode, but hey the story is great, and what's so bad about Dr. Who? Todd Pierce Asheville NC tpierceint@yahoo.com np: Loreena McKennitt, Live in Paris and Toronto nr: JV Jones, A Fortress of Black Ice __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:50:27 -0800 From: Allan Anderson Subject: Re: britcoms Sure, doesn't everyone love Blackadder? I'll second your remark about Miranda Richardsen. I'll have to check out Father Ted, as well. Also, let's not forget The League of Gentlemen. Now *that's* off the wall. On Mar 28, 2004, at 10:55 PM, ecto-digest wrote: > Oh, and while I'm recommending Brit stuff, - --- Double-strengthed orgasm and full satisfaction... I guess this is excatly what are waiting from sex! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:56:20 -0600 (CST) From: Cheri Villines Subject: Re: Britcoms > I also got Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere on DVD, someone > said it comes across as another Dr Who episode, but > hey the story is great, and what's so bad about Dr. > Who? I received this for Christmas and it reminded me very much of the old Dr. Who series. I think maybe the way it was filmed, in a very raw, decidedly un-slick manner. Brian Eno did the music, btw. It was an interesting short series, but all in all I think I enjoyed the book more. Cheri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:17:59 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Britcoms I'm somewhat surprised that no-one has listed _Red Dwarf_ yet. I've made it up to season eight. The show has faltered a couple of times, but it's generally been pretty funny. I noticed that the IMDB says that there's a feature-length film in the works, with all of the original people involved. I dunno if I think that's a good idea or not. I'm glad that _Blackadder_ has come up so many times. I think that my favourite is the third season, Blackadder as butler. The millennium special was quite good, too. I keep on hoping that he does another season sometime soon. My bf just downloaded a britcom he remembered from his childhood, _'Allo, 'Allo_, and we watched the first episode last night. One episode in, it's significantly better than the previous blast from his past that he tried to get me to watch: _The Young Ones_. The first episode made me want to tear my eyes out. I watched _Neverwhere_ several years ago; a friend had taped it off of the BBC, had it converted to NTSC, and sent it to me saying that I'd like it. He was right. I recently bought the DVDs and haven't watched them yet. My parents are surprisingly hooked on a couple of Britcoms that they find on their local PBS station. They like _Keeping Up Appearances_ and _Are You Being Served?_. I never thought that they'd go for any sort of Britcom, but they watch both of those religiously (well, as religiously as possible, given that their PBS station seems to have a pretty erratic schedule). /nm {who doesn't own a television, but somehow is watching an awful lot of stuff} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:28:43 -0600 From: "Doug" Subject: Re: "off topic" ? Did Ani DiFranco get divorced recently? Her song "Origami" sure makes me wonder... "Instructions are for those people who don't know what they are doing." - Bob the Builder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:09:10 -0500 From: "jessica weiser" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V10 #82 > I was going to pickup a copy, but it looks like they are currently out of > stock. :-( > > Wade Hi Wade and all, I sent CD Baby more CDs so if anyone is interested it's in the $5 sale area here: http://cdbaby.com/sale?subcat=108&skip=60 Thank you so much if you decide to buy it, I appreciate it :) Hoping to have something new/different later this year.... jessica - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - jessica weiser :: www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:10:04 -0000 From: "neal copperman" Subject: new Sarah Harmer? Any thoughts on the new Sarah Harmer CD? neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:14:26 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: Carina Round video The good folks at drownedinsound bring you this: http://www.drownedinsound.com/audio.php So, if you haven't experienced the glory that is Carina, now's your chance. How was she, Sherry? adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:24:32 -0800 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: Britcoms On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 07:40 AM, Todd Pierce wrote: > Oh and I rented the first season of the BBC's The > Office. A comedy without a laugh track. (The best kind > I think - whenever I watch American comedies now I > just cringe at the canned laughter. Why can't I decide > what is supposed to be funny?) Well, probably because you find enough things funny that you weren't supposed to and don't find enough things funny that you were supposed to that the networks just don't trust you with that much freedom. ;) I still love how on _Sports Night_ (which gets my bid for funniest half-hour American sitcom ever), ABC forced Sorkin and co. to add a laugh track, so they did...but with each passing week, they dialed the volume down on it one more notch, until eventually it disappeared completely. Heh. Apparently, a U.S. version of "The Office" is in the works. Given the well-established track record of U.S. versions of U.K. comedies turning a funny concept into utter crap, this would normally strike deep fear and skepticism into my heart...but I've gotta admit, the casting of Steve Carell as the David Brent character is a positive omen. http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/jan04/usbrent.html I'd also still love to see the U.S. "Red Dwarf" pilot from 1992. Apparently it wasn't that good, but I'm willing to bet that Chris Eigeman would have made a hilarious Arnold Rimmer if the writers had been up to the task. Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:52:56 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: on music sharing and sales Article from Sydney Morning Herald. It is available on line at http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/28/1080412234274.html but I copied the text below: "Figures show that we're buying albums in record numbers, despite the internet 'freeloaders', writes Steve Cannane. The Australian record industry has just had its best year ever. But it doesn't want you to know about it. This month ARIA announced its sales figures for last year. In its press release, it talked about Delta, it talked about falling CD singles sales, it talked about the rise in DVD sales, but at no stage did it tell us it was the industry's best year ever. Why bury the good news? Record industry types aren't usually shy about success. But this time their success is a little embarrassing. For the past few years the industry has argued that file-sharing and CD burning is having a negative impact on sales. But, unfortunately, their own sales figures don't back up their arguments. ARIA's press release was slugged with a bizarre headline: "Music DVD continues its rise whilst CD singles slide further". A mixed year, you might think. Not so. It took a canny finance reporter, SBS's Peter Martin, to decode the spin. He had access to ARIA sales figures going back to the early 1980s. He worked out what ARIA knew but decided not to share: when sales cracked 50 million albums for the year it was the first time this had happened. And combined sales of all formats for last year climbed to more than 65 million for the first time. But that's just one year, I hear the record companies say. OK, let's go back to 1998. The year before an 18-year-old college dropout named Shawn Fanning wrote a file-sharing program called Napster, the software that kick-started the downloading boom. In that year Australian record companies sold 39.6 million CD albums. Five years later the figure had gone up to 50.5 million. That makes it hard to argue that downloading and CD copying has been killing sales. But what about the sales of singles, I hear the record companies cry. Singles sales did fall last year by a significant amount. While album sales increased by 7.85 per cent, singles sales went down by 16.5 per cent. But what would you rather? We know which format makes the most money. ARIA wants to stress the drop in singles sales because it suits its argument. But it's not telling the whole truth. It neglects to mention the record companies are not releasing as many singles as they used to. Sales of singles do not make much money. Singles are these days pretty much released for promotional purposes - to get radio play and drum up interest in an album. In the US, singles have virtually disappeared from sale. But what about our research, I hear the record companies scream. ARIA paid a research company to survey music consumers. The survey results suggest there's been a 12 per cent decrease in CD purchases by people who are into file-sharing. The greatest percentage is with the under-17s - - people who don't have much money. But the research suggests those with the money, the 45 and overs, are buying more CDs after file-sharing. Now that's a statistic we never hear quoted. According to Stephen Peach, CEO of ARIA, "The free ride simply can't continue indefinitely at the expense of the owners and creators of music." If we ignore the rhetoric of record companies caring about artists for a moment, let's think about this. Maybe it's the record industry that's getting a free ride from file-sharing - a massive marketing system that allows music lovers to get exposed to all kinds of music without the record industry having to pay a cent. I'll tell you what the record companies are paying for now, and it's not scholarships for the struggling artists they say they're trying to protect. It's lawsuits. ARIA is taking on Kazaa and suing university students. American record companies have sued nearly 2000 file-sharers in the past six months. Even the FBI has become involved. It says music piracy has become its third priority behind terrorism and counter-intelligence. A number of US Congress members who rely on the entertainment industry for campaign funds lobbied the FBI to spend more money hunting file-sharers and CD burners. So now CDs in the US carry FBI stickers warning of fines of $250,000 or five years in prison. There's been no similar push by Australia's Federal Police. But keep your eyes on the figures - next year could be another record year for album sales and for prosecutions." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:29:36 -0500 From: "dave" Subject: britcoms adamk writes: For sheer lunacy, however, you can't beat Father Ted. They only made two series of this, as the lead actor died hours after the completion of the second one, but if it ever comes your way see this wonderfully surreal, off-the-wall comedy, and wonder at it. Actually there were 3 series of Father Ted, I have them all on DVD... hilarious show. The scene at the beginning of the Christmas special with Ted and Dervla Kirwan at Fitzgerald's in Ballykissangel is classic Another of my favorites is Coupling, they tried to do an American version of it, but it was badly cast and the re-writing ruined a lot of the jokes, so it rightfully died a quick death. The original British version is great though, and also available on DVD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Petracovich in San Francisco tomorrow (fwd) For those interested. - --Neile - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:30:18 -0000 From: jpkazibon Reply-To: electroambientdreampop@yahoogroups.com To: electroambientdreampop@yahoogroups.com Subject: [electroADP] Petracovich in San Francisco tomorrow All San Franciscan dream pop fans -- Petracovich will be at the Red Devil Lounge tomorrow, March 30th at 8:30pm with Woven. It will be a night of electro-ambience for sure! If you want to see this kind of music grow in the city - come out. $7 tickets - 1665 Polk st. www.reddevillounge.com Thanks! jessica ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:59:23 -0600 From: Hooplessly Unfroody Subject: Re: Britcoms At 09:17 AM 3/29/2004 -0800, Nadyne Mielke wrote: >My bf just downloaded a britcom he remembered from his childhood, _'Allo, >'Allo_, and we watched the first episode last night. oooooh! It's finally on DVD! At least the first season - yayyyy. PBS ran this here several years ago, though quite irregularly, and made it through the series about 1.5 times. I have much of it on tape, but given that they started it pretty much whenever they wanted (2 to 5 nights a week) and episodes ran up to 45 minutes without any notice that they weren't their normal 25-32 minutes, it's full of holes and shorted episodes. I recall some episodes being hit or miss, but when it hit, it hit well. Klop! bob np. Sheila Nicholls - Brief Strop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:40:36 -0800 From: jmgurley@drizzle.com Subject: Veda Hille news A message posted by Veda herself to her website. what the action is, where? posted by: veda date: March 23, 2004 i am currently in the studio with the ol' band, working on a follow up to You do not live in this world alone. a grand project, no title yet, will be finished sometime in the next year. there are also plans afoot for a Duplex! record, a band i am in that makes rock songs for kids. Big shows at the Cultch in Vancouver April 1-4th, with new songs and special guesties. some touring this summer and fall, not everywhere but we're working on it. what else. dance project with deborah dunn, theatre project with Theatre Replacement (karaoke show!), big time performance piece with Sini Anderson, all this in the works. and the rabbit is doing fine. thanks for listening. xx v ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:50:27 -0500 From: "jessica weiser" Subject: Kyler NYC show / new artist If anyone is in NYC and can go to this show I'd highly recommend it. Kyler is moving to LA in a few weeks so this will be her last show in NYC until the summer. She is great and has amazing stage presence!! She tours constantly so check out her website for the latest dates. She occasionally tours w/ Vienna. ***4.1.04 Thursday 8:00pm The Bitter End (New York, NY) 147 Bleecker St (212) 673-7030 http://www.bitterend.com $5 full band show! I'm also working with a new artist in Indianapolis, trying to get her name out there and help her out -- she's 18 and has just finished recording her first solo album. It's all piano/vocal and is quite gorgeous. She has a voice that is reminicent of Fiona Apple/Norah Jones... Really beautiful classically inspired piano work on the album. There are 3 mp3s on her site and her album is $12 (there's a Pay Pal button on the main page). I think she has a lot of potential and I'm really looking forward to seeing her develop and see the reaction to the album and her future songs. http://www.katietrotta.com And if you're in the Indy area we're playing a show 5/15 at The House :) jessica - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- jessica weiser :: www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V10 #89 **************************