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[After returning every one of Corley's postings to [snip a large pile of winging complaining drivel] Geez what a bunch of tossers you all are - you don't like someones postings so you try and get him evicted from the net, why not just use a kill file - you DONT have to read his posts/threads now do you ? Why is it the net is getting populated by the biggest bunch of self absorbed little Hitlers ? You don't like someones posts so you bloody complain or mail bomb them - grow up you bunch of fucking sad gits ! Richard. 143 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:57:47 +0000 (UTC) From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk Subject: MI5 Persecution: Troubling Censorship Issues 20/8/95 (2798) Fred Read (postmaster@foxhouse.demon.co.uk) wrote: : He posts this drivel every week or so to a number of groups that : I subscribe to and nothing seems to stop him. *ALL* of his posts : are off topic and unwelcome to the groups he posts to. : We have complained about him to his postmaster on at least four : previous occasions and he still posts the same crap. As his SP : seem unwilling, or unable, to do anything about him, we were : windering if there was anything you could do? If he is not actively using tactics to avoid or sabotage killfiles (posting from various systems, forging, massive crossposting to create cross-newsgroup flame wars) then it should be quite easy to killfile him. It does seem that the frequency and the size of his posts are approaching net abuse. However, IMHO, they aren't quite there yet. If his postmaster were to act in this instance, it would raise troubling censorship issues. - -- Karen Lofstrom lofstrom@lava.net - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Adventures for those of the inadmissable kind, with no follow through." --- a flaming bonzo beckwithian idiot 2798 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:56:41 +0100 From: "Basement" Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Stand up for Free Speech 14/8/95 (143) schreef in bericht news:m07012716384180@4ax.com... > From: rji@cheetah.inmos.co.uk (Richard Ingram) > Newsgroups: uk.misc > Date: Mon Aug 14 10:08:32 1995 > > Some cencorship loving bore wrote : > >> In article >> gevans@mvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) writes: >> >> His sysadmin is also next to useless, and has not replied to my request >> or >> even acknowledged it. Maybe this person *is* a sysadmin? >> >> He's not. It seems the public access site he uses has got no proper >> management over its users. Here's a copy of a reply I got from a >> complaint I made. [After returning every one of Corley's postings to > > [snip a large pile of winging complaining drivel] > > Geez what a bunch of tossers you all are - you don't like someones > postings so > you try and get him evicted from the net, why not just use a kill file - > you > DONT have to read his posts/threads now do you ? > > Why is it the net is getting populated by the biggest bunch of self > absorbed > little Hitlers ? You don't like someones posts so you bloody complain or > mail > bomb them - grow up you bunch of fucking sad gits ! > > Richard. > > 143 > no ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:20:14 +0000 (UTC) From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk Subject: MI5 Persecution: Options 21/9/95 (5453) From: john heelan Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.current-events.net-abuse,alt.journalism Subject: Re: CENSORHSIP IS IMMORAL, UNJUST AND WRONG Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 19:17:30 GMT Organization: (Private) Lines: 65 Message-ID: <811711050snz@lorca.demon.co.uk> References: <43qpdh$iki@news3.digex.net> Reply-To: john@lorca.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lorca.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 You have to admit that Mike is persistent and obviously feels deeply that he is being hounded by the "Security Services" and there is a Conspiracy out to get him personally. If that is true, then we should be concerned; if he is just paranoid, then we should empathise with his sickness. What we should not do is to invite censorship....that just could be implicitly joining in the putative Conspiracy. Let's look at Mike's potential options (and the alleged responses he has received): > 1. Complain to the Police: (their alleged response > "Don't be silly, Sir"; Mike's rationale "They are part > of the Conspiracy") > I don't think the police as an organisation are part of it. They're certainly not the source. The officer I spoke to at Easter clearly didn't know anything about it. And that was at my local police station in London - if anyone in the police knew you would think the people at your local cop shop would. A couple of years ago I had to go into the station after a motoring infraction, the guy I spoke to then said something about "brain like a computer sir" which my suspicions latched on to - (I'm alleged to be a programmer as some people reading this know) - but as per the usual "can';t prove nuthin" and you ask yourself if you're just being stupid suspecting on the basis of a straw > 2. Complain to a Member of Parliament (Mike's rationale: "Can't > because they are part of the Conspiracy") > I could do that actually. But he would probably tell me to go see the police, for which see above. > 3. Make it visible through the UK Press. (Mike's rationale: > "Can't because they are part of the Conspiracy") > They are actually. There's a difference though in the way journalists react to this stuff when they're "got to" by the security service. This is completely giving the game away, but the trouble originally started with my reading into stuff that was being written by Times columnists, in particular our antagonistic friend Mr Levin. But you see that some journalists are taking part in the conspiracy and others are only doing it because their puppet masters have been feeding them information which they can't allow themselves to ignore. The security services have their hooks into the UK media, this case shows that very explicitly. You also see how things get gradualkly wqorse with a particular journalist; a couple of weeks ago Peter Tory in the Express was writing about "nerds seeking their revenge on him through the Net", guess what that was about. > 4. Complain to the UK Security Services. (Mike's rationale: "Can't > because they ARE the Cnspiracy") > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? If the fascist Gestapo bastards plot to see you dead then who's going to deal with it? Not the security services, that's for sure. > 5. Make it visible through Internet: (Mike has done this > suvccessfully; but any gainsayers are "part of the Conspiracy". > I don;t think you';re part of the consipracy if you refuse to believe or email the postmaster. Those who do know are keeping their silence. > 6. Complain to the Canadian National and State Governments. (Has > Mike done this yet ?) > No. It's a UK problem so that's where it should be dealt with. The perpetrators are UK residents, are unidentified, and would be difficult to deal with through the Canadian courts. Ditto the police in Canada, ditto the press - it isn't their problem, it's caused by UK people against someone from the UK. Of course Canadian laws are being broken relating to harassment and "stalking" which do not exist in the UK, but the Canadian police do not have a very good record of enforcing those laws anyway. > 7. Complain to the Canadian Security Services (Has Mike done this > yet ?) > > 8. Complain to the Canadian Press. (Has Mike done this yet ?) > I think if they didn't knoiw, they'd just think you were having delusions; and if they did, then they would side with the people with the power, the smiling English people with their knives out. Remember, nobody uis going to side with the person who has less power in a copfrontation. The team over here in Canada have the resources of their organization behind them, other broadcasters etc in the UK would have influence with their counterparts in Canada; after all, this was once a British colony, there is still a feeling of "looking up to" the UK among many Canadians, so if a team of security services arrives from the UK with apparently limitless resources to pursue their target, people over here will forget anything they ever knew about basic human rights and go along with what they are told to do and how they are told to behave. > 9. Complain to non-UK TV Watchdogs (Does Canada have an "Oprah > Winfrey ? Has Mike done this yet ?) > > 10. Complain to the EC Court of Human Rights. (Has Mike done > this yet ?) > > ........or...are 6,7,8,9,10 also all part of > the Conspiracy ? > > > > -- > john heelan 5453 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:07:38 +0100 From: "Basement" Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Options 21/9/95 (5453) schreef in bericht news:m07012719200298@4ax.com... > From: john heelan > Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.current-events.net-abuse,alt.journalism > Subject: Re: CENSORHSIP IS IMMORAL, UNJUST AND WRONG > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 19:17:30 GMT > Organization: (Private) > Lines: 65 > Message-ID: <811711050snz@lorca.demon.co.uk> > References: <43qpdh$iki@news3.digex.net> > Reply-To: john@lorca.demon.co.uk > X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lorca.demon.co.uk > X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 > > > You have to admit that Mike is persistent and obviously feels > deeply that he is being hounded by the "Security Services" and > there is a Conspiracy out to get him personally. If that is true, > then we should be concerned; if he is just paranoid, then we should > empathise with his sickness. What we should not do is to invite > censorship....that just could be implicitly joining in the > putative Conspiracy. > > Let's look at Mike's potential options (and the alleged responses > he has received): > >> 1. Complain to the Police: (their alleged response >> "Don't be silly, Sir"; Mike's rationale "They are part >> of the Conspiracy") >> > > I don't think the police as an organisation are part of it. They're > certainly not the source. > > The officer I spoke to at Easter clearly didn't know anything about it. > And that was at my local police station in London - if anyone in the > police knew you would think the people at your local cop shop would. > > A couple of years ago I had to go into the station after a motoring > infraction, the guy I spoke to then said something about "brain like a > computer sir" which my suspicions latched on to - (I'm alleged to be a > programmer as some people reading this know) - but as per the usual > "can';t prove nuthin" and you ask yourself if you're just being stupid > suspecting on the basis of a straw > > >> 2. Complain to a Member of Parliament (Mike's rationale: "Can't >> because they are part of the Conspiracy") >> > > I could do that actually. But he would probably tell me to go see the > police, for which see above. > >> 3. Make it visible through the UK Press. (Mike's rationale: >> "Can't because they are part of the Conspiracy") >> > > They are actually. There's a difference though in the way journalists > react to this stuff when they're "got to" by the security service. > > This is completely giving the game away, but the trouble originally > started with my reading into stuff that was being written by Times > columnists, in particular our antagonistic friend Mr Levin. > But you see that some journalists are taking part in the conspiracy and > others are only doing it because their puppet masters have been feeding > them information which they can't allow themselves to ignore. The > security services have their hooks into the UK media, this case shows > that very explicitly. You also see how things get gradualkly wqorse with > a particular journalist; a couple of weeks ago Peter Tory in the Express > was writing about "nerds seeking their revenge on him through the Net", > guess what that was about. > > >> 4. Complain to the UK Security Services. (Mike's rationale: "Can't >> because they ARE the Cnspiracy") >> > > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? If the fascist Gestapo bastards plot to > see you dead then who's going to deal with it? Not the security > services, that's for sure. > > >> 5. Make it visible through Internet: (Mike has done this >> suvccessfully; but any gainsayers are "part of the >> Conspiracy". >> > > I don;t think you';re part of the consipracy if you refuse to believe or > email the postmaster. Those who do know are keeping their silence. > > >> 6. Complain to the Canadian National and State Governments. (Has >> Mike done this yet ?) >> > > No. It's a UK problem so that's where it should be dealt with. The > perpetrators are UK residents, are unidentified, and would be difficult > to deal with through the Canadian courts. > > Ditto the police in Canada, ditto the press - it isn't their problem, > it's caused by UK people against someone from the UK. Of course Canadian > laws are being broken relating to harassment and "stalking" which do not > exist in the UK, but the Canadian police do not have a very good record > of enforcing those laws anyway. > > >> 7. Complain to the Canadian Security Services (Has Mike done this >> yet ?) >> >> 8. Complain to the Canadian Press. (Has Mike done this yet ?) >> > I think if they didn't knoiw, they'd just think you were having > delusions; and if they did, then they would side with the people with the > power, the smiling English people with their knives out. > > Remember, nobody uis going to side with the person who has less power in > a copfrontation. The team over here in Canada have the resources of their > organization behind them, other broadcasters etc in the UK would have > influence with their counterparts in Canada; after all, this was once a > British colony, there is still a feeling of "looking up to" the UK among > many Canadians, so if a team of security services arrives from the UK > with apparently limitless resources to pursue their target, people > over here will forget anything they ever knew about basic human rights > and go along with what they are told to do and how they are told to > behave. > >> 9. Complain to non-UK TV Watchdogs (Does Canada have an "Oprah >> Winfrey ? Has Mike done this yet ?) >> >> 10. Complain to the EC Court of Human Rights. (Has Mike done >> this yet ?) >> >> ........or...are 6,7,8,9,10 also all part of >> the Conspiracy ? >> >> >> >> -- >> john heelan > > 5453 > there's just too much blabla for me to go and read that ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V11 #107 *********************************************