From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V7 #50 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 07 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jason [Lynne ] Re: Fed Up With Fruvous [Lynne ] Re: Fed Up With Fruvous [Lynne ] Re: Fed Up With Fruvous...er Bush ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V7 #49 ["Carey Farrell" ] A IE 6.0 patch [zbar ] Going out on a limb... [spin0za1@aol.com (Gella)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:01:41 -0600 (CST) From: Lynne Subject: Jason Hi Jason, I think you have a valid point. I have the email address of 2/4ths of the band. I don't have a right to expect the others to be in touch with little ole me, but I wish there was a way to simply say "hey whats up hows things? we miss you". Not so I can report back.. It's to be human and compassionate in a relationship. We've had a relationship with this band.... and with any relationship/friendship there are expectations - just or not. In anycase.... The way that I have been able to be understanding of them, is realize their individual personalities. Also.. consider what it must be like to have no ties at all to your home for 10 years, then to make some. They are doing things they have never had the opportunity to do.. we should be happy for them. (I'm not saying you aren't) - they gave up a lot for their fame, and fans (and so did we) I'm sure we all think it was worth it. Unfortunately, we have no control over others... so we gots to wait and see. Have a great day, hopefully you're email will spark a bit of info... - -lynne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:53:03 -0600 (CST) From: Lynne Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous lawrence.. you seem so defensive.... no fruvous never has or does owe us anything.. and no, they never asked us to not study..but they definately encouraged and praised us for increasing the fan base. The type of band fruvous er.. was(?) encourages it's fans to have hign expectations.. cuz they were so great with us. I don't blame Jason for simply desiring information. Or thinking it would be fair for an update to a web page every 3-6 months. Jason isn't saying that Fruvous must to anything, sounds to me like he saying "it wold be nice if..." I don't think it ws "above and beyond" for them to tell us about the hiatus.. Let's face it, it's business. WE kept them in business and they worked us that way. PLEASE Don't misinterpret. I am not attacking.. It's life. It's how it works. It's honest. ..and implying that someone who has a general question "has no life" well, it really is just simply not nice. This group is a place for expression. If I was a person "not privvy to the insie scoop" and I got your response? I'd think the people on this group were big idiots. so to sum you say - "its none of your business, get a life i have a life, cuz I go to concerts with all my friends" what are you so angry about, guy? - -lynne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:04:39 -0600 (CST) From: Lynne Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous AJ you are so damn diplomatic...... AJ for president.... $50 bucks says if he were prez, we wouldn't be going to war! :D - -lynne - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:15:03 -0500 From: A.J. LoCicero To: ammf@fruvous.com Newsgroups: alt.music.moxy-fruvous Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous Jason, I think Lawrence is being a little reactionary with his whole "they don't owe you anything" stance (sorry Lawrence), :) But here's the deal: HOW exactly do you expect them to keep you informed? There really is no official source of news from the band since they stopped doing the Fruvous Quill. The band doesn't run Fruvous.com. Chris O'Malley does, and he clearly has other things to do because he hasn't updated it in like 7 months. He hasn't even posted the rest of the fruhead songs that he is supposed to be posting. Since Chris is a volunteer, there is really nothing we can do if he doesn't feel like working on the site. I frankly doubt that he's been in contact with any of the band members anyway, so I don't think there is anything that he could tell us anyway. As for this newsgroup, Jian was the only one who ever read it, and he stopped doing that years ago. So really, your request for more info here (while it is great that it jumpstarts the newsgroup a little) is really not likely to have any effect, because the band members will never see it. The band members are also not paying much attention to Fruvous themselves. They all have their own things going on, so I really doubt that keeping the "fanbase" informed ever crosses their minds. This would be something that a publicist should be doing, but since they are in limbo at the moment, they don't HAVE a publicist, again, who is going to do the informing, and how? Jason wrote: > Just let your fans know that you know they're out there, that you're > thinking about them, and that you haven't forgotten about them. > Being honest with your fans gains you a wealth of respect. They're not thinking about them. They are thinking about current stuff in their lives. They are not being dishonest in anyway. They just have nothing to say and no way to say it. > In a way, they're creating a whole new problem for themselves. > Fruvous attracted a large college fanbase, yes? Not all fans are > Fruheads - a lot were just people that made it a point to see them > whenever they came to their college (or local town). A lot of those > people have left college, perhaps moved on - and if Fruvous do decide > to come back, they may find they need to move a number of steps > backward in order to find their audience again. Even a word or two > from the band could have made the rounds to the casual fans who just > check fruvous.com and don't get involved in discussion groups or > other fan websites. I agree that should they come back, they are not going to come back to the fan base as it was. I have to think that they are smart enough to realize that as well. I don't see how putting out info would really help that situation though, and again, how are they supposed to get this info to these far flung fans? It isn't like they could just send a press release to college radio station, because as you said, a lot of people have moved on. I understand your frustration, I really do, but I honestly don't know what to tell you. The person you need to speak to about this is really Jian. I have no idea if he will respond to you or not, but I think your best bet is really to try contacting him through his website http://www.jian.ca. As for information about him, you can also subscribe to the weekly Play email that he writes for his tv show. That will at least let you know what He is up to. Thanks for posting to the newsgroup! A.J. LoCicero - -- "I think the American peopleI hope the AmericanI don't think, let meI hope the American people trust me." - --G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:17:31 -0500 From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous...er Bush Lynne wrote: > AJ you are so damn diplomatic...... > AJ for president.... > $50 bucks says if he were prez, we wouldn't be going to war! > :D Not this year anyway. I'm pretty much finding myself agreeing with France. We should see what the inspectors can accomplish. We can always bomb the hell out of them next year if need be. Bush has never addressed THAT point. A.J. - -- "I think the American peopleI hope the AmericanI don't think, let meI hope the American people trust me." - --G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:52:07 +0000 From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V7 #49 A.J. wrote: >NYC-Chicago and anywhere in between $33 > >Boston-Chcago and anywhere in between $33.20 > >DC-Chicago and anywhere in between $16! > >(Toledo is on that line and only an hour from here)] Yes! Everyone come to Chicago! I miss east coasters. And west coasters, for that matter. I wish I'd been able to make it up to Frucon. It sounds like it was a blast as always. I'm saving my money for FRFF, tho...and maybe the DVN cruise... And hooray for AMMF traffic! Carey, posting for the first time in *how* many years? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:26:13 +0100 From: dalholt Subject: Some questions ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:40:23 -0600 From: zbar Subject: A IE 6.0 patch Hi,This is a IE 6.0 patch I expect you would like it. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2003 14:58:26 -0800 From: spin0za1@aol.com (Gella) Subject: Going out on a limb... I wanna say something about the band and the band members and the hiatus. This isn't directed toward anyone in particular and it isn't really a response to anything specific that's been said here. Previous experience tells me that I will be flamed for this... but lets just see how it goes. A lot of people have this mantra regarding FruCon... "It's a FruHead convention, not a Fruvous convention!" Well, they're right, but sometimes that mantra gets a little irritating. At times it seems defensive and even a little bitter. Last year I remember talking to Jian about it after his show at Hugh's room... he was hearing a lot of people at the con saying sort of indignantly "oh, I'm not even going to Jian's show" as if they were trying to prove something. He found that very hurtful. Now, I understand if one doesn't like Jian's stuff... I don't like all of it either. But seriously, no one has to prove anything to anyone else here. I went to FruCon this year not expecting to see any of the lads. I was fine with that. That was fine because I was coming to see my friends. To hang out and sing and have fun. It was also sad. I miss Moxy Fruvous a great deal. I miss Dave Mike Jian and Murray. Just before heading to Toronto I had sunk into a frame of mind where I *knew* that the band was gone forever. I *knew* that they weren't going to get together again in any significant way. I *knew* that there was a good chance that I'd never get to see any of them again in any capacity, professional or personal. And I was bitter. Because they hadn't had the decency... or the courage... or whatever... to just come out and *tell us,* let us have some closure. Why did I get into this state of mind? I dunno. It was just there. I got to Toronto and I was with my friends again... with many for the first time in a year. We were together and we sang all the old songs. We weren't following the band, we *were* the band. And it started to matter a little bit less... but I was still sad about the band. I still missed them. I still felt that they were gone forever. Then something interesting happened. Through various twists of circumstance I ended up seeing Mike and Dave and Jian. I saw them and I talked to them... and there was something about it... they all remembered me. Well, I mean, duh... I wasn't expecting that they wouldn't remember me, but there was something about the quality of the recognition. Even Mike Ford seemed genuinely excited to see me... to see us. With Dave there was no question... he gave me a big excited hug and kept smiling at me all night. And Jian... Jian was Jian. In just that way that Jian is with me. Which I don't have to go into details about. And I felt better. It wasn't about the band... it was about the remoteness from the band members. From the lads. The guys. That's what it was for me, anyway. I am still sad about Moxy Fruvous. I still miss the band, the shows... I still wish/hope that they would/will come back together and tour some more. I am no longer so certain that it is over after talking to three out of four of them, but its not the hugest question in my mind right now. I was not looking for clues from them as to when/whether the hiatus would end. I was not wanting to ask them about it. I was not looking to see who it was that was keeping them from doing the Fruvous thing. I was enjoying their company, which was always the best part of a Moxy Fruvous show for me anyway. And beyond that, they seemed to appreciate my company as well. And that was what really made it all okay. They hadn't forgotten about me... about us. They haven't forgotten. I don't know who all is still on the newsgroup these days. Some of you might see this as a self-indulgent confessional sort of thing and tell me to take it elsewhere. Some might take offense or think I'm being self-righteous. Whatever. This is what I thought to write here. This is what I wanted to share with you all. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V7 #50 *******************************************