From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #327 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, December 6 2001 Volume 05 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? [jar@jtan.com (Jeff Rosenberger)] wooey it's been awhile... [tmbgirl@juno.com (special J)] Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: his point [mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth)] Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? [Roby Sherman ] Re: his point [mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth)] Re: his point ["N Wood" ] Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Huge On The Luge ["Chris Pirillo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:44:34 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? Roby Sherman wrote: > > I'm hoping that the release of a new fruvous song means that the hiatus > is over and we can get back to fru-business. Does anyone have the inside > scoop? So far, the hiatus is NOT over. I have that on authority. A.J. - -- "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport."--G.W. Bush, Arlington VA, Oct. 2, 2001. Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:34:25 GMT From: jar@jtan.com (Jeff Rosenberger) Subject: Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? "A.J. LoCicero" writes: >So far, the hiatus is NOT over. I have that on authority. Is there a planned point at which the hiatus will end? Will it ever? - -- Jeff Rosenberger jar@{jtan.com,wpi.edu} ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 06:42:08 -0800 From: tmbgirl@juno.com (special J) Subject: wooey it's been awhile... hey hey everyone... i've been living in Paris for awhile now and was remembering the days of fru... i feel like it's been at least a year since i've stopped by the NG or any other fru-related site and I was just wondering if someone could give me a quick update... i'd really appreciate it. :) what are the boys up to? what's the news on the hiatus? did i see frucon 5? is it happening? other than that... feel free to send me emails and let me know how you personally are doing if i know ya, i'd love to hear from everyone again! :) take it easy, jordan - ---jaa237@nyu.edu--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:27:48 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? Jeff Rosenberger wrote: > > "A.J. LoCicero" writes: > > >So far, the hiatus is NOT over. I have that on authority. > Is there a planned point at which the hiatus will end? Will it ever? Those are things only the band knows. A.J. - -- "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport."--G.W. Bush, Arlington VA, Oct. 2, 2001. Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 11:18:02 -0800 From: mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth) Subject: Re: his point lightman(at)tmbg.org (Eric) wrote in message news:... > >Is it becoming clearer now? > > No, it's not. Oh dear. Then let's clear up all the confusion and very simply return to the Ghana example which you seem to have forgotten to respond to. Fact: The IMF imposes economic regimes in third world countries so that third world farmers cannot receive state subsidy, whereas first world farmers do receive state subsidy. Do you believe that to be equitable or not? A yes or no will suffice. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:11:49 -0700 From: Roby Sherman Subject: Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? A.J. LoCicero wrote: > Roby Sherman wrote: > >>I'm hoping that the release of a new fruvous song means that the hiatus >>is over and we can get back to fru-business. Does anyone have the inside >>scoop? >> > > So far, the hiatus is NOT over. I have that on authority. > > A.J. > > And to clarify, the hiatus encompasses all things Fruvous (touring creating new albums, etc.) or simply "touring"? Cheers! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 15:12:17 -0800 From: mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth) Subject: Re: his point "A.J. LoCicero" wrote in message news:<3C0D0576.502726F3@locicero.org>... > Richard Butterworth wrote: > > > Just stating that Taleban are evil and hate the US out of spite or > > jealousy is rather too simplistic I'm afraid Eric. > > I don't think so in this case Richard. If you turn the Taleban into evil bogeymen then you *have* to turn the Northern Alliance into evil bogeymen too, because their human rights records are about the same. That means that we are allied to evil bogeymen and that makes us...? What happened in Mazaar-el-Sharif last weekend was fairly clearly a war crime and mass murder. Both American and British troops were complicit in it, and that makes me ashamed. This is supposed to be a war for civilisation, and the definition of civilisation seems to be at the moment we're most civilised because we have the most expensive bombs. > The REST > of Afghanistan doesn't seem to hate us us that much. The rest of Afganistan has been half starved and brutalised (brutalised by warlords armed by the CIA let us not forget) for twenty years. Ghengis Khan would be popular in Afghanistan if he rode in with some food parcels. It is only the Al Qaida > (most of whom arn't Afghans), and by extension, the Taliban government that is > allied with them, that seem to hate us. I'll reiterate Molly's point (seeing as she seems to be indisposed; perhaps Lori's put her in detention) -- if the Northern Aliiance had won the battle of Kabul (thousands slaughtered by the Northern Alliance, by the way) in the mid 90s, America would now be allied with the Taleban against the Northern Alliance. > And the reasons that Bin Laden has > given are a bunch of crazy nonsense. Of course they are. The man is psychotically deranged by his own power, wealth and influence. I have no objection to his head on a spike in the middle of Manhatten to be honest. I think the world would be a richer, happier place for it. > I also reject the idea that people should HATE us--especially as individuals as > opposed to our goverment, out of some economic issue). Be displeased with us, > sure! Criticize the hell out of us, amen. Call for boycotts or other forms of > coercion, Ok. BUT, Call for the murder of any American that one can see?? (I > realize that was Bin Laden, and not the Taliban, but I now believe they are > completely intertwined) I think not!!!! America is seen as a totem for the inequities of a global system that is fairly clearly about locking the third world into subsistence so it can make our Nike trainers for us. People who fall on the wrong side of that divide may very well come to hate. I'm not saying that's right at all -- I'm explaining, not excusing. But the divide is the problem and the divide is where the effort should be, not Afganistan. Interestingly, talking of boycotts, after Mazaar-el-Sharif (which I've probably spelt wrong) I was discussing with Harriet what we could do to register our revulsion: `Boycott all American goods?' `No, we can't. Not and still be active members of society, its not possible for us to boycott all American goods anymore than it is for Americans to boycott all American goods.' Which brings us round to America as The Holy Roman Empire Part II, The Ironic Bit Being That Only Americans Don't Realise It (And Have To Get Canadians To Explain Irony To Them Anyway). Which I think we discussed before. At this point I'm > ashamed that I have so totally opposed military spending for all these years, > because clearly there WAS a need. Careful AJ. I may need to recall your liberal card. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:06:52 GMT From: "N Wood" Subject: Re: his point "Richard Butterworth" wrote > If you turn the Taleban into evil bogeymen then you *have* to turn the > Northern Alliance into evil bogeymen too, because their human rights > records are about the same. That means that we are allied to evil > bogeymen and that makes us...? What happened in Mazaar-el-Sharif last > weekend was fairly clearly a war crime and mass murder. Both American > and British troops were complicit in it, and that makes me ashamed. That's unfortunately not getting the attention it should here, at least not that I've seen. I assume you're talking about the uprising at Qala Jangi, the "prison" fortress near Mazar-e Sharif. Synopsis: Taliban fighters in Konduz (around 500 of them) surrendered under a negotiated deal to the Northern Alliance and were taken to Qala Jangi where 2 of them tossed grenades they had hidden at the guards. The group was then placed in the basement of the fortress and later brought out 2 by 2 for interrogation. Someone got guns away from the guards and started shooting. One US CIA operative was killed, another escaped. The result was extensive bombing of those who fled back into the basement, followed by pouring diesel fuel into the basement and lighting it. More than 100 Taliban survived the diesel fuel, so they dropped large artillery rockets into the basement, then flooded the basement with water assuming those left would drown or freeze. The news here was full of reports about the CIA operative, and later about the American Taliban fighter who survived the basement, but other than Richard (and me), I haven't heard anyone shouting "War crimes!". Good grief, diesel fuel and freezing water? Is this what we've come to? I'm curious what others think. N ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:00:19 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Huge on the Luge = hiatus over? Roby Sherman wrote: > And to clarify, the hiatus encompasses all things Fruvous (touring > creating new albums, etc.) or simply "touring"? I believe the hiatus has technically always been a "touring" hiatus. While they haven't worked together much in the last year, (so far as anyone knows) they never said that they wouldn't do so at all, and in fact, I believe, they have been planning the online song release for some time. So the answer is no, they will not be playing anytime soon, but whether they will work together on more recorded projects is anyone's guess. A.J. - -- "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport."--G.W. Bush, Arlington VA, Oct. 2, 2001. Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: 06 Dec 2001 04:43:28 GMT From: "Chris Pirillo" Subject: Re: Huge On The Luge > Has anyone else downloaded it? What do you guys think? /me likey. ;) I had it set for infinite loop in my media player. It's Christmas with quite a nice frutwist. Chris ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #327 ********************************************