From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #232 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, August 26 2001 Volume 05 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Frucon 5? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Frucon 5? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Frucon 5? [Marie-Claude Danis ] Re: Frucon 5? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Frucon 5? [Kath ] Re: Frucon 5? [Kath ] re: FruCon 5? [Shellyus@aol.com] Re: Frucon 5? ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: Frucon 5? [zone5@home.com (Brent Miller)] Jian Photos are Up [Paul Mischler ] Frucon 5 [LladyYasmina@netscape.net (ama)] Re: Frucon 5 [spin0za1@aol.com (Spin0za1)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 04:59:39 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Frucon 5? Chris O'Malley wrote: > > Reading week? What the hell is that? ;-) > > (actually, I know what it is, I'm just being a pain) > > MC, the reason you cite doesn't make much sense, since a great many > people that would be going to FruCon are not students and also don't > live in Canada. Also, I don't think I understand the Monday off > reference. I know I don't get Mondays off. Therefore, I definitely > think summer months make more sense. Yes, but Chris for the people in the states we have the President's day holiday which a lot of people get off regardless of whether they are in school or not. People NOT in school don't usually get the summers off, so I don't see how having it there helps them. Of course the weather is a different argument all together. One that I'm not really prepared to win, :) but as far as people being able to go, I think President's day weekend is one of the better times. A.J. - -- Maria: Watch out! Me: (With a smile, having done this before) For Cars? Maria: No Me: No? Maria (big smile) Trucks! Watch out Trucks! Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 04:55:55 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Frucon 5? jaci d wrote: > it seems to me that there would be more schedule issues > that way. may and june . .that's getting into family holidays, graduations, > weddings, reunions, etc. at least in my family. february is pretty free of > that. And don't forget Folk Festivals! > 'sides. i'd like to see y'all before then =) february is a nice half-way > point between frffs. Yeah, I think February being nasty is part of the point. it gives you something to look forward to in one of the nastiest months of the year. Could it be moved this year? Yeah, I think it could. Fruvous' doings are pretty much irrelevant this year, but I personally hope it stay's in February. A.J. - -- Maria: Watch out! Me: (With a smile, having done this before) For Cars? Maria: No Me: No? Maria (big smile) Trucks! Watch out Trucks! Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:04:38 -0400 From: Marie-Claude Danis Subject: Re: Frucon 5? "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Yeah, I think February being nasty is part of the point. it gives you something > to look forward to in one of the nastiest months of the year. Could it be moved > this year? Yeah, I think it could. Fruvous' doings are pretty much irrelevant > this year, but I personally hope it stay's in February. February gets my vote too, personally. (I HAAAAAATE warm weather. I'd be so cranky.) But we also have to think of the actual reasons why we've kept it in February so far. Moving it was discusses last year (or the year before? I forget), but the cons outweighed to pros. Most venues are already booked for the summer, and the ones that are left aren't very good and/or too expensive. Hotel are more expensive, not to mention it's harder (near impossible) to reserve blocks of rooms. I also hear flights are cheaper in February. And, well, there's a lot to be said about February being in the middle of Nothing. I know attending Frucon in the summer would be a tough one financially for me, because of everything else happening at the same time. February is hump month. It's a good remedy for cabin fever :) - -- Marie-Claude http://verticalcrawl.com "What is this, Inauguration *DAY*?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:02:23 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Frucon 5? Mike Yoshioka wrote: > And it's becoming tradition. Sure, it's only been 4 con's so far, but, > still, that's 4 years. I know that I've already requested that time to > be available. And there's others that I've talked with that try to > keep that time free. > > > > >I suddenly really want people to discuss this. Anybody? > > Ok, well, here's some more discussion points. Most people are going to > be sitting around in hotel rooms/ convention halls/ restaurants > anyways. Weather has nothing to do with that part of it. > > Plus, I don't know, changing the date, it might be able to bring more > people out, but, it could also confuse some people as to when it'll be > and just make them not bother. I agree with you Mike. I think it is becoming expected that it will be that weekend, and to change it might well mess up people's plans and result in their NOT coming. A.J. - -- Maria: Watch out! Me: (With a smile, having done this before) For Cars? Maria: No Me: No? Maria (big smile) Trucks! Watch out Trucks! Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:25:31 GMT From: Kath Subject: Re: Frucon 5? Jill MoonPoet69 wrote: > > Speaking as a student (College) .. weekends are usually the best for me (any > weekend) I do work in the summer but I could easily take off in advance for > a weekend. If you did it in the summer I think you could probably utilize > Independance day here for the same type of airfare deals and hotel rates... > That's my birthday too so it would make a nice present and weekend for me :) > Just a Suggestion! :) Take Americans away from their country on the fourth of July??? Hm. Tempting ;) Kath ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:23:20 GMT From: Kath Subject: Re: Frucon 5? "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: jaci wrote: may and june . .that's getting into family holidays, graduations, > > weddings, reunions, etc. at least in my family. february is pretty free of > > that. > > And don't forget Folk Festivals! Yeah, that's my main concern. If I get torn between Frucon and a good Mariposa lineup, there might be a serious problem. I like February because there's NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING. It is the boring capital of the year. :D Kath ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:40:41 EDT From: Shellyus@aol.com Subject: re: FruCon 5? though, yah, the weather in toronto is prolly nice in the summer{speaking as one who's never -been- to toronto}, i think that summer may be a bad time for some people. most people get little vacation time and people tend to take their bigger vacations in summer{or else -how- would pisco make all that $$ in cottage country? *grin*}, so i just dunno if people would make FruCon their big summer vacation/use their summer vacation time on it. another thing to consider is that FRFF is in july and a -lot- of fruheads go to that{YAY CAMP FRUVOUS!!!!} and might not be able to coordinate vacation times so closely together, -or- afford it, since we have people from both coasts that would wanna travel to both, it could get kinda expensive and some people might hafta choose one or the other. {as i was discussing with a dear left coaster friend earlier :) } ok....there....my $.02 is also logged for posterity. :) shelly {who's very eggg~cited that there will BE a FruCon 5 coz she has not yet made it to one and just -hasta- this time!!!!!} 'everybody SCREAM if you think i'm tight!!'--me, in a ~VEWY~ bad typo via frum :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:09:35 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: Frucon 5? Brent Miller wrote: >As someone who drives to FruCon (325 miles), weather plays a big part >in my travel pans, especially during February. Driving through the >snowbelt in February is unpredictable at best. Maybe some don't care how people get to the con - driving there or otherwise. If you get there, fine. If you don't, whatever. What's important is that they are there but who cares if you're not because of the snow/sleet/blizzard etc. (I'm not saying that *I* don't care because I would care if Fruheads wanted to be there but couldn't because of weather conditions - I'm just putting in my two cents) I also see how it is during that weekend. If the weather sucks, then I don't go. What am I missing? Not much at the con, only people I haven't seen in a long time. And for that I would rather hang out with them outside of the con vicinity doing something fun. On another note about folk festivals: In 1998, how many people attended a bunch of Folk Festivals that summer plus Frumiles weekend in August? I know that Fruvous didn't play FRFF (at least I didn't see it listed at FDC) that year, but I know a bunch of people made it to most every other festival that Fruvous played at along with Frumiles weekend. I don't even think Mariposa was thought of that year - where was it held and did any Fruheads attend? (since it was held in many different cities prior to being held in Orillia in 2000 and 2001.) Christine. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Aug 2001 13:28:25 -0700 From: zone5@home.com (Brent Miller) Subject: Re: Frucon 5? Kath wrote in message news:<3B8736B9.28FF361D@home.com>... > Take Americans away from their country on the fourth of July??? > Hm. > Tempting ;) > Kath Take Americans away from FruCon and you don't have much of a FruCon. Ever see a show of U.S. hands at FruCon? It's overwhelming! Just an observations...not an attack on anyone's loyalty. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:43:28 GMT From: Paul Mischler Subject: Jian Photos are Up Hi all! I just wanted to let you know that pictures from the Jian concert in Rochester on 8/9/2001 are up on my PhotoPoint album. Look under "Jian - Rochester 8/9/2001". http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=924801&f=0 Enjoy! - -Paul Remove glaringly obvious from my e-mail address to reply. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:00:31 -0400 From: LladyYasmina@netscape.net (ama) Subject: Frucon 5 *sigh* i'll never get caught up in all my email... that's what i get for going on vacation; but i have some thoughts (yep, everybody stand back!) Anyone who knows me knows how much I absolutely ABHOR cold weather. Like, I'm miserable during most of the year, save May-Sept. because of weather. However, speaking from experience as both an attendee and a Committee Member, if it were up to me I'd keep Frucon in Feb simply because life logistics are easier to manage. I haven't had a job that actually *gave* me President's Day off as a holiday in a good 5 years; but I do luck out in being able to take a Float Holiday; and they usually give us the choice between Martin Luther King Day in Jan. and President's Day in Feb. Schools that are on a trimester or quarter system generally will have reading day or "spring break" around the end of february; but IIRC standard semester Spring break is a bit later, right? I don't know, RIT is on a quarter system so everything was screwed up). As you get later into the year it becomes increasingly difficult to balance familial commitments (vacations, graduations, weddings, showers, etc), Festival Season (the Greater Rochester area has at least 1 Festival going on EVERY Week between the 3rd week of May and last week of Aug; not to mention Festivals in Toronto, FalconRidge, Philly Folk Fest, Ottawa FF, etc). Plus, since the roads are clear and the weather is nice numerous other impromptu travel occurs. It would be fun to move FruCon to say, Canada Day weekend... celebrate Indy Day for both the Canadians & Americans... but I would imagine families and parental units would be hard-pressed to let their loved ones escape the clutches of "Quality Family Time" . Then, there is the question of band member involvement. IF we were to have some level of participation (Q&A Panel, etc) from one or any of the band members; it seems to me that it would be more difficult to steal them from their sailing trips or jungle expeditions or what have you *grin* Then again, who needs them durned FruLads anyways, right? If not for FalconRidge, I'd say move it to August because August has no holidays... but I for one take the same vacation during the 2nd week of August every year (www.pennsic.net, in case you're interested ;> ), and there's no way i could take two big trips like that; plus FalconRidge 2 weeks before my vacation... unless i hit the lottery, and I hear they're contemplating bringing RollerBall or whatever its called to NY, then maybe once I have my private jet... oh, s'cuse me... so, those are my initial thoughts... and yes fellow committee members; I AM trying to get caught up in my email... *sigh* - --angie - -- Death is but a doorway, time is but a window, I'll be back. - --Vigo the Carpathian "Ghostbusters II" __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Also, FRFF really feels like summer FruCon for a bunch of us and it's cool to have that sort of roughly-every-6-months gathering thing, 'specially since the lads aren't touring... it's nicely spaced that way so that there's an excuse (for those of us who need the excuse in order to get away) to travel and see our friends who we foolishly got used to seeing at least every month or so at concerts. My real point/question/comment was actually going to be about the band... there's a lot of people saying "Oh, the lads' schedule doesn't matter 'cause they're on hiatus and FruCon is about FruHeads anyway..." yeah, I agree that it's about us, not them and if they don't perform then that's fine and there should absolutely still be a frucon... but, I mean, they *did* break the hiatus for us last Feb... is there a particular reason that we expect them not to this year? Just a question... I'm kinda out of the loop. - -g ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #232 ********************************************