From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #191 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, July 10 2001 Volume 05 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: what ever happened to #mf? [Katherine Maheux ] Re: what ever happened to #mf? [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] Corsican Polyphony / I Muvrini [Jay ] Re: different fruvous album styles... (was Re: Late to the Dave discussions) [Chad Maloney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:39:18 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: what ever happened to #mf? chrissiek@ehmail.com wrote: > So the split of #mf in late 1999 had nothing to do with the lack > of ppl on #mf today? It seemed to be a hopping channel until > that point. > > o/~ those were the days my friend... o/~ Well, I have to say that the two things aren't related in my head. I don't know if that means that they're not related in real life... Seemed to me that the channel was still pretty full even after that unfortunate (and immature! I still insist) split. A lot of people who didn't care about the politics of the thing used to hang out on both channels at once. I think it's just a loss of interest and an abundance of non-talking, non-doing anything people that are to blame. I know that whenever I go in (like now) there are a couple of people, but no one ever says hi or starts a conversation. And the whole point of IRC is sort of to talk... yaknow? Kath ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:11:36 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: what ever happened to #mf? Spake Katherine Maheux : >I think it's just a loss of interest and an abundance of >non-talking, non-doing anything people that are to blame. Why blame? Communities only thrive while the members of these communities have reasons to stick around. Also, as long as participation in a given community isn't overshadowed by other things going on in their lives. Many people, as AJ said, moved on. People develop other interests, friendships either strengthen or fizzle (or explode), Things Beyond Our Control happen, people die, children are born, work takes over one's life for a while. Communities die, or atrophy. Which is what I think happened to #mf, a sort of sub-community of the newsgroup (mostly, not entirely). >I know that whenever I go in (like now) there are a couple of people, >but no one ever says hi or starts a conversation. And the whole point of >IRC is sort of to talk... yaknow? This is one of the reasons I don't go there anymore (aside from the fact that 99% of the time I can't get on Undernet). Most of the time I'm logged on, I'm doing work, and would be unable to sustain a prolonged conversation on #mf even if I were there and interested. It may be the case for many other people as well. Or maybe not; but it's probably the case for a significant contingent. - -v - -------- Vika Zafrin -------- vika@attglobal.net -------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron Playing in traffic on the information superhighway. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:41:58 -0700 From: Jay Subject: Corsican Polyphony / I Muvrini Hi fellow Fruheads -- Heard some Corsican polyphony on the radio the other day (on the PRI show "The World") and maybe it's just me but it reminded me a bit of Fruvous. (Moxy Fruvous, that is, in case the filter is listening...) What's Corsican polyphony? Four voices, four part harmonies, near as I can tell from the piece. You can hear it yourself at . It's about 4:20 into the segment and there's some more at the end. I just thought it was cool that Fruvous is drawing from world music traditions they probably don't even know about! Cheers, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:13:06 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: different fruvous album styles... (was Re: Late to the Dave discussions) Ofer Inbar wrote: > > I'd like to totally crack apart the organization of fruvous albums and > fruhead tastes that seems to have been implicit in this thread, that > supposed divide between the silly gimmicky lively stuff and the slow > ballady folky stuff, that links Wood to Thornhill. "We all excused > them" for Wood, goes with that too. I dunno, Ofer. I wasn't directly trying to categorize folks saying that everyone is in one of three camps (love it all, love wood and thornhill but King of Spain and the like get a bit old, love King of Spain and the like and can't understand what Wood and Thornhill were for). I know that Fruvous fans are as diverse as the band itself. I personally don't fit directly into any of those 3 but to simplify discussion, I'll insinuate that it's a clear cut 3 categories. It's pretty much just an oversimplification of things to allow for easier discussion here. I could make some buckets and toss songs into them. Some might not fit exactly, but it's close enough for me at least. > On the other hand, it doesn't sadden me at all that there have been so > few shows without Johnny Saucep'n, as Chad said. What I mourn is that > there have been so few live shows with Gulf War Song in them. I'm SO NOT the typical fan though. Listening to me would be kinda dumb. The vast majority of folks at a show weren't like me. They were there to see their one show and wouldn't get to see another one for 6 months. It was their 4th or 6th show and Johnny Saucep'n is special to them and they chuckle at how fast it goes and where people take breaths and how Jian screwed up the lyrics that time. Johnny Saucep'n and King of Spain are in every set list for those people. Not for me. The set list can't all be On Her Doorstep and Laika and Earthquakes and Nuits de Reve. I think Gulf War Song is special to the band. Not only because it's not the easiest to perform, but because it contains a lot of feelings and is a song they didn't perform every night. I'd think of it as not just a treat to the audience when they perform it, but a treat to themselves. Doing Drinking Song every night for 2 months and acting it up wassn't probably the easiest to do, though it was their job and they did it. When the place was right, they brought out the treats. If they brought them out more, then I think it wouldn't be so special to them or us. > So there, now try to fit me into the categorizations of fruvous music > you were making :-) Is there someone out there that loves Thornhil and doesn't get Wood so I can epoxy you to Ofer and throw the glob into the Wood/Thornhill category? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:10:15 -0000 From: "Jill MoonPoet69" Subject: Re: different fruvous album styles... (was Re: Late to the Dave discussions) I personally enjoy it all for different reasons. I think that is why love Fruvous so much. I get a little bit of everything. The Zany fun stuff as well as the great ballads and Acapella stuff you just can't find anywhere else. Everything is great musically though fast or slow ( I guess that love comes from being a music therapy major.) I really like ThornHill but also love Barginville. Wood wasn't my favorite album and I do think that the album as a whole is a little too slow for me. (I guess I could be your person who loves ThornHill but not so much wood) :) There is my 2 cents Jill "From Fredonia" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Katie Contino Subject: Re: what ever happened to #mf? what's this? i think i missed something... katiec - --- Katherine Maheux wrote: > chrissiek@ehmail.com wrote: > > So the split of #mf in late 1999 had nothing to do > with the lack > > of ppl on #mf today? It seemed to be a hopping > channel until > > that point. > > > > o/~ those were the days my friend... o/~ > > Well, I have to say that the two things aren't > related in my head. I > don't know if that means that they're not related in > real life... Seemed > to me that the channel was still pretty full even > after that unfortunate > (and immature! I still insist) split. A lot of > people who didn't care > about the politics of the thing used to hang out on > both channels at > once. I think it's just a loss of interest and an > abundance of > non-talking, non-doing anything people that are to > blame. > > I know that whenever I go in (like now) there are a > couple of people, > but no one ever says hi or starts a conversation. > And the whole point of > IRC is sort of to talk... yaknow? > > Kath Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #191 ********************************************