From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #151 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, May 29 2001 Volume 05 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Late to the Dave discussions [mjcosgrove@yahoo.com (Marty Cosgrove)] Re: Late to the Dave discussions [mjcosgrove@yahoo.com (Marty Cosgrove)] Re: Late to the Dave discussions ["Ken Ream" ] Re: Hennessey ["Stephen Eggleston" ] Re: Hennessey [dgodwin1@aol.com (DGodwin1)] Re: Hennessey ["Melissa" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 May 2001 21:53:52 -0700 From: mjcosgrove@yahoo.com (Marty Cosgrove) Subject: Re: Late to the Dave discussions Marie-Claude wrote in message news:<3B0EE06D.443F7A8F@sympatico.ca>... > Chad Maloney wrote: > > > You know, I've actually met Marty Cosgrove at a show in columbus > > once *Grin* > > You mean... he's not a bot? > > I kid. Hi Marty! Where have you been? I do have a gumball machine head like Tom Servo, so I guess I am a bot. I've been lurking. I'm out of the Fruvous loop, probably permanently. Things have changed. My friends from the old days have mostly moved on. Marty ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 2001 21:50:05 -0700 From: mjcosgrove@yahoo.com (Marty Cosgrove) Subject: Re: Late to the Dave discussions Chad Maloney wrote in message news:<3B0E7DFC.C17C1E5A@Fruvous.com>... > You know, I've actually met Marty Cosgrove at a show in columbus > once *Grin* I remember that, Chad! Gosh, you make me sound like some kind of celebrity. :) > I came into this whole thing between Wood and Moon, but I bought Bargainville > and listened to it constantly. I knew Wood and "b" existed, but couldn't > buy them. Ah yes, the bad old days before Borders carried everything. Thank goodness MF frequented Ohio! > When I started, I loved Bargainville, but after 5 months of constant > listening, the gimmick crap got really old to me. Yikes! The "gimmick crap"? I don't know how to reply to that. That's some of my favorite stuff. > Now, Thornhill is my favorite Fruvous album with Wood in second. I've never been able to get into Thornhill, and believe me, I've tried. I just don't like it. Yes, it's part of the evolution of Moxy Fruvous that we all excused them for when "Wood" came out, but to my ears, there's something wrong with "Thornhill." I've never been able to put my finger on it. I sometimes feel it's too long, which is an odd thing for me to say because I love albums that go on and on, like Genesis's "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway." I love getting lost in the sheer length of that album. But "Thornhill" overstays its welcome. And I'll repeat, I've listened to "Thornhill" many times. It could also be the particular combination of instruments used. It just feels way too heavy for me. For a Moxy Fruvous album, I mean. But then again, here we get into discussing the evolution of the band's music. I guess the most accurate thing I can say is that they've evolved beyond my comfort zone. I find it weird to say that because I usually consider myself pretty open-minded when it comes to music. I guess I'm closed-minded after all. > Can I ask what clips you're listening to in order to get an idea > of what your opinion of the album is based on? The only complete > song I heard pre-release was "You Remind Me" which isn't depressing > at all to me. I heard the soundbites on MyPoorGeneration.Com (clips of "Hay," "If You Were Here," "Fibber," "Old Love," and "You Remind Me." > > However, we stuck with > > "Wood" and after repeated playings, we discovered that all of the > > usual Fruvous joy was still there. The sound had evolved though. > > Heh, I question the "usual Fruvous joy was still there" argument with > Wood but that's a whole nother thread I guess. I guess what I was getting at was that even though certain songs were undeniably moody, the texture of the album was still fairly light. Maybe it's the instrumentation. Maybe it's the way that the "happier" songs like "Present Tense Tureen" and "It's Too Cold" are sprinkled in there at close enough intervals to perk things up frequently. Or, perhaps it was the fact that even though the material was heavy, the songs still seemed to be performed with good cheer at the live shows. The good memories of the shows carry over into the album listening experience. > Overall, it's pretty simple music usually with at most 2 things > going on (lyric and guitar) and predominantly there's one thing > going on (either lyric or guitar). Ah! This could also contribute to my not being too crazy about the clips. Even in the days that I used to post frequently to this newsgroup, I left the analysis of lyrics to others. I just wasn't that interested in lyrical content. I'm far more interested in the musical portion of the songs. I love experimental instrumentation. I love well-played solos. I love creative harmonies. I remember a discussion a long time ago wherein Fruchick said that if you don't listen to Fruvous for the lyrics then you don't get it. And I countered that I must be very shallow and clueless since I mainly listen for the music. But that's my thing. When I write a song, I have a dreadful time coming up with lyrics, but the musical portion just flows. So how does all of that relate to Dave? Well, is it your basic singer/songwriter folk album? If so, I probably won't get very into it. I'd be willing to try, but I wouldn't expect much from me. (I'm not painting a very good picture of myself, am I?) > Bargainville is a strong strong album, but to most people > it's dominated by the gimmick schtick crap that made for a good > busking show Very endearing gimmick schtick crap, thank you very much! :) > There's a reason that Dave's solo album songs are on Dave's > solo album. They aren't Moxy Fruvous songs. There's a lot of > influences that come through on Dave's album that never even > show their head in anything Moxy Fruvous has ever performed. A very good point. I suppose though, it's possible and not without precedent to like a group's effort but to dislike a solo member's effort. For example, I am a huge Beatles fan, but I hate John Lennon's solo stuff. Gasp! > Dave's album plays on Dave's strengths, his genuiness and personableness, > his voice and his guitar playing. In my opinion, it does that really > well, but not all Moxy Fruvous fans are gonna care about it. They may > not even realize those parts of Moxy Fruvous because they are blindsided > by Jian rants or Mike humping the floor. Not that those are bad > things by the way *grin* So really, it's all about what aspects of Moxy Fruvous you like. Since I'm not heavy-duty into lyrics, but I am very much into the group's chemistry, I probably won't like a solo project from one of the band members unless it's very musically interesting rather than focused on lyrics, lyrics, lyrics. Marty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:22:58 -0400 From: "Ken Ream" Subject: Re: Late to the Dave discussions Its not a dark moody album. Its mellow, largely acoustic and stripped down. But I'd say the mood is very optimistic and cheerful. Dave comes across like an old-time folkie on this CD and its great. Its not a Moxy Fruvous CD. I bought it just to be complete and to tide me over until the next Fruvous one. I didn't really expect it, but this is one of the best CD's of the year so far! "Marty Cosgrove" wrote in message news:5030955c.0105242040.52ec360e@posting.google.com... > Hello Citizens of Fru-land, > > The majority of you don't know me, but I'm a ng poster from long ago. > That being said, I'll move on to my question. > > I guess I would primarily direct this toward anyone who has been on > the Fruvous bandwagon since 1994 or so, but anyone could answer it, I > suppose. I have heard clips of Dave Matheson's new album, and I have > to say, they are rather depressing excerpts. Assuming the album is > reflective of the clips, would you say the effect of the mellowness of > this album is similar to the effect brought about when we first heard > "Wood?" I remember when "Wood" first came out, we "Bargainville" nuts > were a little disappointed because the mood of the album was > noticeably darker than that of "Bargainville." However, we stuck with > "Wood" and after repeated playings, we discovered that all of the > usual Fruvous joy was still there. The sound had evolved though. > > Applying this sort of analysis to Dave's album, is it fair to say that > the depressing moodiness I hear in the sound clips is just a knee-jerk > reaction? Is it worth further listening on my part? I have always been > interested in the smiles behind the Fruvous songs. Even on "Stuck in > the 90's", I could detect optimism. Is Dave's album hopelessly > brooding? > > Sorry for the rambles, > Marty Cosgrove > mjcosgrove@yahoo.com - -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! - -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:01:43 -0700 From: "Stephen Eggleston" Subject: Re: Hennessey Dude brett, i hate to break this to ya but i believe they played the gorge in 99 thats like near central washington i remeber hearing the ad on the radio they were opening for someone rather large i could be wrong though i just cant wait for a Fru tour to come anywhere in wa,id,or, or ca because i will drive! > I dont know if I mentioned before, but I'm in Seattle... so I'm quite cut off > from any Hennesseyism. That's one of the main motivations for the website! > Please... visit the message board and let me know what you think. Visit soon > and often!! At the very least check back in a week or so when I expect to > have it more-orless finished. > And by all means spread the word... I'm hoping to develop a thriving > community of fans to help keep me company while I miss seeing the band in > person. > > Thanks!! > brett@hennessey.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 2001 21:44:52 GMT From: dgodwin1@aol.com (DGodwin1) Subject: Re: Hennessey With all this talk of hennessey, I thought it would be a good idea for people to know that they are playing this Saturday in Buffalo, NY, at the Backstage Pub. The backstage pub is on Pearl Street, and is right near shea's and the Tralf. Showtime is 10pm according to the Buffalo News. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:17:17 GMT From: "Melissa" Subject: Re: Hennessey I just found out today that they'll be playing on Parliment Hill on Canada Day. Whoo! I'll be in town then so I'm really looking forward to the chance to see them live. I've only heard a few songs by Hennessey but so far I love 'em. Cheers, Melissa :o) DGodwin1 wrote in message <20010528174452.14730.00002945@ng-md1.aol.com>... >With all this talk of hennessey, I thought it would be a good idea for people >to know that they are playing this Saturday in Buffalo, NY, at the Backstage >Pub. The backstage pub is on Pearl Street, and is right near shea's and the >Tralf. Showtime is 10pm according to the Buffalo News. > >Daniel ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #151 ********************************************