From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #149 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, May 27 2001 Volume 05 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! ["Jill MoonPoet69" ] Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! [CheesemonkeyGem Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! I apologize that I didn't mark it "OT" and I apologize if I offended anyone with this post in this group. It outlines a small communities belief and opinion of what happened. I am by no means an animals rights activist but I believe that what happened here, if it were to be validated, was wrong and that there is possible corruption in the police force regarding the harrassment. I also agree that there is alot more important manors of oppression which people are dealing with today and that all of your points are valid. I'm sure there are plenty of great articles written to each and everyone one of them and they each deserve to be read and commented on, and that none of them have been posted in the context of this list. I just wanted to know people's opinion on the article. I again apologize if it offended anyone. Jill _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:25:09 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! donna hunt wrote: > >the fact that McDonalds owns a significant percentage of the English > >language > > What's this? I don't know anything about this. What do you mean? I'm > curious. Isn't that from a Fruvous song? Maybe that's what makes her post "ON topic." o/~ So let McDonald's teach grade three o/~ Christine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 01:15:42 -0400 From: "donna hunt" Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! "Vika Zafrin" wrote in message news:3b0e7692.3351359@news3.attglobal.net... >Knowing that this is a completely inappropriate post to >the newsgroup, you still didn't so much as mark it >"OT" (off-topic) in the subject line. This is a point. Although I think considering the lack of volume on the ng these days, it could be over-looked. > I think this is a completely inappropriate post to this >particular newsgroup. Sure. It's not about Moxy Fruvous or any of it's band members or any of the dreams anybody has has about any of the band members or any number of "FruMoments" people may or may not be having... but considering this is a newsgroup that has in the past embraced topics of Peeps and bra-size (which were totally unrelated until I typed this, I'm so sorry, guys) I think someone's personal/political outrage is no more off-topic than those things. > But what really irritated me is that, with all the shit that's >going really wrong, with all the energy crises and >Afghani Hindu oppression and the twenty million other >things that are Just Wrong Well, Vika, do you want us to talk about these other things that are Just Wrong? Aren't they equally OT and inappropriate? (Just like Chrissy wishing me a happy birthday?) :) Moxy Fruvous (and most obviously, that Jian Ghomeshi guy) is known for political statements and attracting a crowd that sympathizes with such sentiments. You're one of those people, Vika. You're outraged about things listed above and below. And, I while I understand you're point, I think if people are really going to be active, even if it's only intellectually, in a poltical capacity... that the abuse of animals is simply one more symptom of a system that allows violence and brutality to exist... to animals, to women, to children, to the Germans, to the Jews, to Blacks, to Lesbians... it's all one. >the fact that McDonalds owns a significant percentage >of the English language What's this? I don't know anything about this. What do you mean? I'm curious. ciao, donna I guess I brought the Marshmallows. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:49:56 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! Vika Zafrin wrote: > Well, since you asked. The lead in to the flame post. Yee haa! Who brought the marshmallows? > I think this is a completely inappropriate post to this particular > newsgroup. > Knowing that this is a completely inappropriate post to the > newsgroup, you still didn't so much as mark it "OT" (off-topic) in the > subject line. And you couldn't tell it was OT? The subject line was a complete give away even without it. OT, off topic...mark read...delete...there are many ways of getting rid of posts you don't want to read. So we should post "sex on a stick" on here? I think that's on topic. > But what really irritated me is that, with all the shit that's going > really wrong, with all the energy crises The energy crisis isn't a new thing - there was one in the 70s that ran into the 80s. You may not remember waiting in line for gas during that time or any other energy saving techniques that families had to do, but some of us on here can. When the news about California was published, the first thought was "Again?" > and Afghani Hindu oppression > and the twenty million other things that are Just Wrong, including W as > Mister President and the fact that McDonalds owns a significant > percentage of the English language, what provokes your outrage enough to > post is... a puppy? Well if it was my puppy, yes I would be outraged and completely devastated. If it was your cat, I'm sure you would be too. Christine. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart. - --excerpt from 'Rainbow Bridge' ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:18:15 +0200 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Murray in Great Big Sea Or Germany. Could we please schedule a few more awesome shows for the night before Kate has huge exams? PLEASE?! Feh. - -- Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) wrote in message news: > I think this is a completely inappropriate post to this particular newsgroup. > But what really irritated me is that, with all the shit that's going really wrong, what provokes your outrage enough to post is... a puppy? ...And what irritates the hell out of me is heartless, arrogant people like you who have the nerve to infer that the vicious, senseless, cold-blooded murdering of a puppy is not "really wrong". Incidently, who are you to judge other people's provocation to outrage?? Perhaps it is a subject that hits close to home. Or perhaps, like myself, Jill is a staunch animal lover and cannot fathom this act of pure malevolence. Vika, this story portrays as much "wrongness" as any other issue in the world today. I'll even disagree with Pat when she said it is one of the "smaller things". This incident is wrong on so many levels and it baffles me that there are people like you who fail to see that. For one, animal abuse is a problem of HUGE proportions in the world today and it is often overlooked because it's not "as important" as political issues or whatnot. Secondly, it is the epitome of what's wrong with these power-wielding, trigger-happy pigs in uniform that should not be within 10 miles of a gun. Vika, do you not hear about police officers who blatently abuse their power? Does Rodney King ring a bell? You wouldn't have the nerve to state that the senseless beating of a person because of their skin colour is not that big of a deal, so it really amazes me that you would even think this incident isn't worthy to be deemed something that's "really wrong". If a policeman came into your front yard and shot a member of your family (be it your sister or beloved cat or a fucking pet rock) POINT BLANK in the back of the head for absolutely no reason, would you then say there's too many other more important issues in the world to dwell on this one? People like you who don't see the wrongness in acts such as this, who preserve the indignation to judge what should and should not be deemed newsworthy, is yet another example of something that's "really wrong" in the world. Pat said: >I would hope we've got enough bandwidth and compassion here in our little corner of the 'net to let her do that. So would I, but I know better. There is always going to be at least one self-righteous person who critizises what other people find important, and/or who is quick to point out stupid shit like the lack of at "OT" or the "inappropriateness of the post", that's why for the large part I've stopped posting. I see a lot of crap on this newsgroup i want to respond to but I shut the hell up to avoid back-and- forth bickering, and mostly, bad feelings. But I felt compelled to comment on Vika's post because it really did outrage me; to hell with my peace-keeping sentimentality. And yes Vika, *that* provocation was enough to generate my post. - -Jen Meyers Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:55:21 GMT From: presam0@wfu.NOSPAM.edu (Adam 'Plastic Cup' Prestin) Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! Killfiles. Use them. It's getting really annoying seeing every post turn into a flamewar. I think everyone here's sick of it. I'm not blaming you, I just don't feel like marking all the messages unread so i could reply to someone else. It kinda goes for everyone. (It's like the person on IRC who always complains about other people but never ignores them.) On a separate topic... Peanut Brittle: who needs it?! - -adam ------------------------------ Date: 26 May 2001 15:50:40 -0700 From: mjcosgrove@yahoo.com (Marty Cosgrove) Subject: Re: Late to the Dave discussions Josh Woodward wrote in message news:<20010525071942.B49407@yahoo-inc.com>... > It's not something you can compare to Fruvous -- it's an entirely different animal altogether. Ditto what I said in my reply to A.J. Marty ------------------------------ Date: 26 May 2001 15:49:22 -0700 From: mjcosgrove@yahoo.com (Marty Cosgrove) Subject: Re: Late to the Dave discussions "A.J. LoCicero" wrote in message news:<3B0E6616.33515D8@locicero.org>... > Well I've only skimmed through the disk so far but I would have to say that I > think you are getting a one sided-view from the clips. First of all this is NOT > Fruvous, nor is it meant to be, so I wouldn't expect that particular sensibility > to come through. A VERY good point, which I slap myself for not considering. Of course, it's not Moxy Fruvous! > That being said, there are certainly songs that are neither brooding nor sleepy, > Girls With Guitars for example. And there is Brainard, which if you ask me just > begs to be on the next Fruvous album (if such ever comes about.) > > Like anything Marty, I think you just have to buy the album and listen to it for > a while before you can really form an opinion. That's true. And I'm usually one of the last people to make a hasty decision about a type of music based on such a small amount of info. I think what I was really looking for by posting was others' opinions. And I'm not only into upbeat music. There are times when only mellow music will do. > (That being said, I have to admit that in my experience one will start to like > ANYTHING one listens to long enough. True again. As always, you are right on the money, A.J. Sometimes if I buy an album for one song, I will force myself to listen to everything repeatedly so that I like it all and can get my $15 bucks worth (or however much). Marty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:58:02 -0400 From: LladyYasmina@netscape.net (ama) Subject: Re: Late to the Dave discussions Heh... I'm not really ready to post my entire set of thoughts or review of Dave's self-titled... but I would like make a few comments... first of all, when i listened to some of the samplers on MPG; i was more than a little hesitant because i am not a fan of country-western music; and some of the songs sounded VERY twangy. but, because i've always admired Dave as a performer and have been taken aback time and again by the depth of his lyrics, i decided to at least give it a good listen. i was not disappointed, by any means. again, i don't have all of my comments right here... but a few thoughts: 1. right now my favorite song is a tie between Can't Get it Open, Fussy Baby, and You Remind Me. I would have to say that my least favorite right now is maybe Get Me Some, but again... i need to listen more. Fussy Baby is kind of funny to me because I always think that he's talking to a young woman, not a baby at all; and then I wonder if that's the "well Duh" factor kicking in... that's that is what he intended. You Remind Me pulls so hard at the heart strings, but I haven't quite figured out why... The major thing I've noticed about the CD is that it really is more "folk" than "country-western" to me. There is a little bit of twang here and there, and it certainly isn't driving music... but its music that commands your attention and demands you listen to each word, each chord, each nuance of the song. No, it isn't Moxy Fruvous... in fact; during the entire listening of the record the only time Fruvous ever pops into your head is during Hay and maybe some semblance of Organ Grinder in Brainard or Earthquakes in Get Me Some. I really hope you get a chance to give the CD a good listen (and by that, i mean a few times; without distractions). The biggest thing is, listen to it with an open mind and no expectations. As hard as it might be... completely forget the fact that this Solo Singer-Songwriter from Toronto happens to sometimes don a crown and bounce around a stage with three other crazy canadians ;) Angie but hey, i'm one of those late to the Fruvous Party folks that absolutely LOVES the mellow sides of fruvous in Wood and Thornhill ;) - -- Death is but a doorway, time is but a window, I'll be back. - --Vigo the Carpathian "Ghostbusters II" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:57:36 -0500 From: "Josh Drury" Subject: Re: an puppy killed by a police officer! > >the fact that McDonalds owns a significant percentage >of the English > language > > What's this? I don't know anything about this. What do you mean? I'm > curious. I'm not sure if this is what was being referred to, but I recall seeing one of those interesting sidebar articles in a recent Harpers Magazine that listed just some of the many many words and phrases McDonalds had applied for trademarks on -- essentially anything fast-food related (and some other oddly unrelated words/phrases) with a "Mc" preceeding them, e.g. McKids, McFun, etc. (sadly I can't recall any of the more interesting ones). Fortunately, not all the trademarks had been granted. It reminds me of another article I saw (possibly in Harpers also) about how some students from Ohio State applied for -- and got -- trademark rights to the word "Ohio" (the exact details may be wrong -- I saw this a few years back). They then used these rights to pester their cross-state rivals at Ohio U, saying they should be giving them royalties for including "Ohio" on their team uniforms, etc. Hopefully it was just to prove a point about the ridiculousness of actually owning part of the language, but still somewhat alarming. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #149 ********************************************