From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #30 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, January 28 2001 Volume 05 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: FHDC / FDC - Server problems? ["Jason A.Reiser" ] Re: Did You Know... (warning - non-US-ASCII) [khellewe@uoguelph.ca (Kyle ] Re: Fri eve (was Re: ***Frucon Update*** ) [Katherine Maheux ] Re: ***Frucon Update 1/26/01*** [Lori Martin ] Re: Fri eve (was Re: ***Frucon Update*** ) ["Anna!" ] Re: ***Frucon Update*** ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [Lori Martin ] Re: Did You Know... ["Lauren Seyler" ] Splatter by half ["Lauren Seyler" ] Re: ***Frucon Update*** (fwd) [Lynne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:53:14 -0800 From: "Jason A.Reiser" Subject: Re: FHDC / FDC - Server problems? In article <3a721515.274785449@news.bluecrow.com>, mike96@bluecrow.com says... > >On 26 Jan 2001 15:12:51 -0800, Jason A. Reiser >wrote: > >>If anyone's having continued problems, please let me know. If would help >>greatly if you supplied me with your IP address (if you're comfortable with >>that) so I can try to trace the problem back. > >I'm still having problems. I've spent an hour or so on the phone with >my isp, and they can't figure it out. They can connect to the site >using the same DNS settings as my dialup connection. I just can't >reach it from my dialup (at either of my pc's) >My dialup ip # (right now anyways) is 64.114.70.17 Problem solved. My server was somehow convinced that all addresses starting with 64. were internal addresses... so the 16.5 million IP addresses in that range were unable to connect. The other 4.2 billion were just fine. ;) Thanks for your patience, and sorry you had to spend all that time on the phone with tech support. - - Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:16:15 GMT From: khellewe@uoguelph.ca (Kyle Hellewell) Subject: Re: Did You Know... (warning - non-US-ASCII) On 26 Jan 2001 15:30:27 -0800, Jason A. Reiser wrote: >Sorry to break the US-ASCII rule, but I believe this is a reasonably good >translation (ie - babelfish told me so) from Canadian > Japanese: *ascii snipped* Since you posted it, Jason, I get to ask you questions *grin* Where do you find something that will actually display Japanese stuff like that in windows? I know my news readers sure won't ;) Heck, netscape won't either. Kyle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:23:23 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: Fri eve (was Re: ***Frucon Update*** ) Marie-Claude Danis wrote: > > Angel! wrote: > > > PS. FYI, the opening act is supposed to be Anne McCue, a singer-songwriter who > > is managed by the same guy in L.A. who manages LOWEN & NAVARRO *siiiiigh& > > Ugh. Really? This woman is following me everywhere. Help me. Send her back to > Australia or somewhere that's not Canada. OOoh, really? I didn't like her very much at all when I saw her at the Vagina Monologues (yeah, they had an opener. No, I didn't think it was necessary) but apparently she's got a show at Massey Hall soon. Interesting. Of course, this info comes from a friend called Marcy (MC knows her, and will nod her head in agreement) who seems to believe that everyone who is in show business at all is *FAMOUS* and cannot be touched by mere mortals, ever. She tends to blow things up a bit. Still, if she *is* headlining at Massey Hall, or whatever, I wonder what's she's doing opening for Ji (& friends). Kath ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:57:10 GMT From: Marie-Claude Danis Subject: Re: Fri eve (was Re: ***Frucon Update*** ) Katherine Maheux wrote: Re: Rivoli > PS -Also, it's worth it :) No it's not. Pff. Place sucks. It's awful. Rat-infested. $12 beer. Hookers. The whole deal. Rancid, really. So, don't go. Especially not early. And those damn good seats? Very uncomfortable, I swear. Instead, I recomment a nice, hipster night at the all-around great, celebrity-ridden Golden Griddle. The one on College. Can't miss out or you'll be the laughing stock of the town. You don't want that, do you? > PPS -Going to see Jian open for Dar this weekend. Having an identity > crisis. I think sometime earlier this year I vowed I wouldn't travel for > Jian alone. Yeah. Twas you, me and Fiona if I recall correctly. And some blood rite or another... *cough* Um, anyway, yeah. Jian? What's that? No way. I'm... staying in for a ruthless game of "Learning Spanish from a CD Rom". Who's with me? ~marie-claude - -- Marie-Claude Danis http://www.verticalcrawl.com "I am Dracula." "Get out!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:40:45 GMT From: wahrend@my-deja.com Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Lynne wrote: > Um... I don't.. but i enjoy seeing how people get all mean and snotty > about stuff that is pretty minimal - if you must know. Of course you don't care, that's why you keep repeating the question over and over. You've asked for a good reason and I asked why do you care? Esp. considering how minimal it is. Why would would someone want to know how many tickets are left? I can come up with 2 reasons. a. you're curious because you want to wait until the doors so you might be able to avoid the exchange rate, but pay more. Whatever. b. you're curious. Why wouldn't the committee tell someone how many tickets are left? a. they don't want to tell you because they want to encourage people to buy their tickets ahead of time. This is so that they'll have the necessary funds to get a room to hold the con, etc. b. cause it serves no purpose but to allow people to avoid paying ahead of time. by telling people how many are left, they (the people who are skipping paying ahead but are actually smart enough to realize that paying ahead of time allows things like this happen) still don't have the necessary information to figure out whether or not getting the tickets will allow the committee the ability to rent the room or get all the activities paid for BEFORE the con actually happens. c. there is no benefit to the con to provide this information to anyone outside the comittee. I implore you to give me another reason why you'd want to know or why it would be in the best interest of the committee to tell you. Now, I have tried to keep this on a non-personal level. Granted the "why the hell do you care?", was more personal than i would have liked but I grow very tired of a question which has very OBVIOUS answers. I'll gladly take up the moniker of being a mean person if it means that this idiotic question isn't brought up again. > >feel the committee should have to give you a good reason or any reason > >for that matter? If you don't like how the committee is doing things, > >talk to the committee about it or become a member of the committee next > > I actually appreciate what the committee is doing.... no complaints > from me. no complaints from you.. BUT you still don't see why they just don't tell you. > I just don't get why some one doesnt just say "Oh there have been > 200 tickets sold" and have it done with true or not.... *shrug* See that is the problem. What if they said, there is only 20 tickets left? but really there was 100? What if they said it over and over? would you feel good about the con? I wouldn't. Are there more than 2 people out there who REALLY want to know how many tickets are left? Sure, I'm curious as to how many have sold, but will I not be able to eat my breakfast if I don't know, no. I think the people who have addressed the issue of why you wouldn't say how many tickets are left have put up valid reasons. I want to know WHY people who feel they need to know, I mean really need to know. What is the point of continously asking if all you want is an answer and that answer could be false? Why don't they say that none of the tickets are sold, so that why anyone who is counting on getting a ticket at the door after it sells out can freeze their ass off waiting outside. I have not heard one good reason why you'd want to know how many tickets have been sold other than, well, it's such a minor thing, why shouldn't they tell us. Well, since you've said that you'd be satiated if someone said how many tickets are left. So I'm going to tell you how many tickets are left (which is going to be an obviously lie). There are 50 tickets left. 350 tickets have been sold and the rest will more than likely sell out before the end of the month. > -lynne > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:17:51 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: Fri eve (was Re: ***Frucon Update*** ) Lynne wrote: > > IS anyone going to see Jian solo performance at the Rivoli? DOes anyone > have any more info then whats on "JiAn.com"? Like how to get THOSE > tickets? The Rivoli has never sold any tickets in advance to any event I've attended there. You just show up before show time. It's a very small space, and I'm scared :) There, I said it. We are not all gonna fit, I don't think. That said, I'll be there early. Kath PS -Also, it's worth it :) PPS -Going to see Jian open for Dar this weekend. Having an identity crisis. I think sometime earlier this year I vowed I wouldn't travel for Jian alone. Oh, well. :D It's worth it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:25:12 -0500 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** wahrend@my-deja.com wrote: > Lynne wrote: > > Um... I don't.. but i enjoy seeing how people get all mean and snotty > > about stuff that is pretty minimal - if you must know. > Of course you don't care, that's why you keep repeating the question > over and over. Lynne hasn't repeated "the" question, Bill. I don't think she even asked it. For that matter, neither did I. Hugo was the only one to repeat the question of how many tickets have been sold to FruCon, and I suspect he repeated it only because he never got an answer. > You've asked for a good reason and I asked why do you care? Esp. > considering how minimal it is. > Why would would someone want to know how many tickets are left? I can > come up with 2 reasons. You're missing the point entirely, Bill. No one (except perhaps Hugo) wants to know how many tickets are left. I wanted to know why it appeared the man couldn't receive the courtesy of a straight answer, even if the answer was "we choose not to divulge that information". > Now, I have tried to keep this on a non-personal level. That is bs. It became personal the moment you started questioning people's motives in asking a question. It became personal the moment you announced the question was "idiotic" and since you didn't care enough to "badger" or "harass" the Committee (big assumption there; did they ever tell the newsgroup they felt harassed?) no one else should care either unless they could give you a "good reason". Since you have so many questions about my motives, I have one for you: why did you feel the need to answer in a defensive way, impugning the motives of anyone who had a question, instead of just saying "as a non-Committee member just like Hugo, I don't see why the number is important"? That would have been discussion, not the shooting-down-with-contempt that's been passing for discourse here over the past few days. ANd since you've already made it personal, I guess I'm allowed to do the same and say I must say I'm glad you and Richard didn't choose teaching as careers. I can see each of you with students now. "That's an idiotic question! What reason could you possibly have for wanting to know that? Stop bothering me, you should be able to tell I don't want to answer you!" "And what do YOU care anyway? Can't you see he's just trying to harass me? What's wrong with you -- why do YOU need to know anyway? Curiosity isn't a good reason for wanting to know anything!" There's a simple term for that kind of attempt to influence opinion and position through derision: peer pressure. The past 72 hours have been sadly enlightening to me, because I never thought I had enemies on amm-f -- until I piped up and said "why can't the man get a simple answer so we can be done with this?" that is. Suddenly, not just debate lines but battle lines were drawn. Somehow Hugo and I are on one "side" without ever forming an alliance. (Welcome to the "ranks", Lynne :) ) And Richard and Bill are on the other. How totally schoolyard it all seems. The ironic thing is, the Committee now has given an answer, but the rest of us still are flailing away over need to know, right to know, and reason for wanting to know information have decided is fit for public consumption. So much for the function of a newsgroup. "Ask topical questions -- but only those that other readers understand the motivation for", I guess is a warning that needs to be added to the FAQ. Oh, to answer another of your questions, yes I have on occasion asked a small venue how many seats are left, particularly if I know other people who also want to get tickets. And they have always been willing to share either a general figure or an exact number, often adding information on how ticket sales are going and whether they expect to sell out or not. They don't seem to think the question is an unwarranted intrusion into their operational strategy -- they seem to view it as "getting the word out". For what that's worth. Peace, - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:47:42 -0500 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update 1/26/01*** "Sigrid B." wrote: > Yes, you are correct. This food drive is not limited to canned food. The > terminology we might be looking at in this respect would be > "non-perishable". Thanks, Sigrid. > PS> I recently discovered that even Haggis comes in a can. That's borderline > sacrilege! uggh. I think I'll pass on that for the food cupboard, in favour of soup or something more generally appealing. :) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~ He deserves Paradise who makes his companions laugh. ~~ the Koran He deserves Paradise who allows his companions to cry. ~~ me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:18:17 GMT From: "Anna!" Subject: Re: Fri eve (was Re: ***Frucon Update*** ) Marie-Claude Danis wrote: > Jian? What's that? No way. I'm... staying in for a ruthless game of "Learning Spanish > from a CD Rom". Who's with me? Oh, I am *so* there. Perhaps we should raise the stakes a little this time ... winnner gets a futon. - -anna- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:08:59 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Lori Martin wrote: > You're missing the point entirely, Bill. No one (except perhaps Hugo) > wants to know how many tickets are left. > > I wanted to know why it appeared the man couldn't receive the courtesy of a > straight answer, even if the answer was "we choose not to divulge that > information" I am not getting into this beyond this post, but here is a simple answer: Nobody ever actually emailed the committee to ask about the ticket sales. Hugo started talking about it here in connection with his issues over the use of ticketweb, and then you all went insane (pardon the expression) and began this argument. Basically none of us really wanted to jump into this wonderful little flame war, so we didn't. End of story. > ANd since you've already made it personal, I guess I'm allowed to do the > same and say I must say I'm glad you and Richard didn't choose teaching as > careers. Um, Lori, Dr. Butterworth is a university professor. > There's a simple term for that kind of attempt to influence opinion and > position through derision: peer pressure... I'm sorry, I can't really follow the rest of your argument. But then again that could be a good thing. :) Peace all! A.J. - -- "I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." - --G.W. Bush, Interview with the Associated Press, Jan. 18, 2001 Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:03:18 -0500 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > I am not getting into this beyond this post, but here is a simple > answer: Nobody ever actually emailed the committee to ask about the > ticket sales. Thank you! Hugo claimed in his most recent post that he did, but that difference of understanding of facts is between the Committee and him. Now we all know. Ask the Committee questions via direct email; don't pose them on ammf. Easy enough. > > ANd since you've already made it personal, I guess I'm allowed to do the > > same and say I must say I'm glad you and Richard didn't choose teaching as > > careers. > Um, Lori, Dr. Butterworth is a university professor. Oh dear. And here I thought he specialized in inventing gizmos for Chad's spam schemes while not cracking codes. :) Well let's hope his attitude toward topical, if misdirected, questions isn't the same in class as it is on newsgroup this week. > I'm sorry, I can't really follow the rest of your argument. But then > again that could be a good thing. :) There was no rest of the argument. The final paragraphs were merely an expression of enormous frustration with the puerile incivility of non-Committee members, and an answer to a question Bill had asked that had gotten temporarily lost in the greater argument. Because I thought Bill deserved the courtesy of his question being acknowledged and answered. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~ He deserves Paradise who makes his companions laugh. ~~ the Koran He deserves Paradise who allows his companions to cry. ~~ me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:22:08 -0500 From: "Lauren Seyler" Subject: Re: Did You Know... Joanne Desarno writes: > >That Moxy Fruvous in japanese is ... Moki furubousu.... >Now you know... Do they have Fruvous in Japan? If not, maybe we should send them a mix... Princess Lauren of Arabia _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:23:18 -0500 From: "Lauren Seyler" Subject: Splatter by half I noticed an interesting cartoon in my drawing class this morning. It was a picture of a movie theatre with a sign overhead that said: Hollywood Spectacular Bruce Willis in SPLATTER Girls, Guns, Guts, Gore, and Grisly Goons A little kid is running up to the booth with a fistful of money, and the ticket vendor is saying, "Oh, good! You brought your ID!" I love when things like this happen.... Princess Lauren of Arabia "Standing on a hill in my mountain of dreams, Telling myself it's not as hard as it seems..." - -Led Zeppelin, "Going to California" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:18:59 -0600 (CST) From: Lynne Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** (fwd) Since you seem to have taken a lot of time to respond to my post, I'll do you the same courtesy. >Lynne wrote: >> Um... I don't.. but i enjoy seeing how people get all mean and snotty >> about stuff that is pretty minimal - if you must know. >Bill wrote: >Of course you don't care, that's why you keep repeating the question >over and over. You are currently reading my 3rd pots on this topic. Over and over? hmmm I was actually more curious as to why their was no answer and what the reason could be for that, then I was curious for an answer. Thanks for your explainations. >I implore you to give me another reason why you'd want to know or why >it would be in the best interest of the committee to tell you. SHeesh, everybody wants a reason... LIke I said above curiousity. NOt that I think you have a good reason to know MY reason. >> I actually appreciate what the committee is doing.... no complaints >> from me. >no complaints from you.. BUT you still don't see why they just don't >tell you. Nope, you've misunderstood. I havent asked anyone in particular to tell me anything. I was actually wondering why no one answered Hugo, that's all. >> I just don't get why some one doesnt just say "Oh there have been >> 200 tickets sold" and have it done with true or not.... *shrug* >See that is the problem. What if they said, there is only 20 tickets >left? but really there was 100? What if they said it over and over? >would you feel good about the con? I wouldn't. Are there more than 2 Wow, I didn't realize people were SO serious about this. I was being sarcastic.. shpowing hoew much I cared about the number by assigning a random one.... > people out there who REALLY want to know how many tickets are left? >Sure, I'm curious as to how many have sold, but will I not be able to >eat my breakfast if I don't know, no. So maybe because you Do care how many were sold, it removes you from truly being able to understand me, and my lack of concern. I am not buying tickets, I don't care. *shrug* What I care about is whether or not my friend got me tickets. Just one, thats All I want. That's all I care about. tsk, tsk, tsk. so selfish of me. >Well, since you've said that you'd be satiated if someone said how many >tickets are left. So I'm going to tell you how many tickets are left >(which is going to be an obviously lie). There are 50 tickets left. >350 tickets have been sold and the rest will more than likely sell out >before the end of the month. "hmm, wow, I hope my friend got the tickets. She's pretty responsible I'm sure she did." Again, i think you've misinterpreted me. - -lynne ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #30 *******************************************