From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #429 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, October 26 2000 Volume 04 : Number 429 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Here's My Point #3 [FruCake1@aol.com] Re: The Item on EBay [Chad Maloney ] Re: Official FruHead Qualifications [Melanie ] Re: The Item on EBay [Lori Martin ] Re: The Item on EBay [Lori Martin ] Re: The Item on EBay ["Lindsay Lion" ] Here's *our* point - a response to rant # 3 ["Lindsay Lion" ] Re: The Item on EBay [Lori Martin ] Re: The Item on EBay ["Adam Hartfield" ] The Ranting caused by "ego-BAY" [SnarkiFru ] Re: The Item on EBay [Ellen Buckley ] Re: The Item on EBay [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: The Item on Ebay [FruCake1@aol.com] VH,JP,L&N...Re: What's everyone listening to? [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOP] Re: The Item on EBay ["Valerie Jones" ] Re: What's everyone - Apology [Tony ] Re: The Item on EBay ["A.J. LoCicero" ] bickering... [MJ ] Re: The Item on EBay [Lynne ] Re: The Item on EBay [Lori Martin ] [Proposal] alt.music.moxy-fruvous.flame ["Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Re: The Item on EBay BBWMinors wrote: > Please post a set of qualifications and rules so I and the rest of us can find > out if we are indeed really Fruheads like we thought we were simply because we > enjoy this band's music or whether we are simply wanna-be's. The following is a list of finite definite qualifications that make you a Fruhead Officially. That's big O-fficially so pay attention. Please no putting check marks on your computer monitor. Print first. Thank you. 1) Attend every last Moxy Fruvous within a 4 hour driving radius of your house. It doesn't matter if you own a car or not. If you don't own a car, sleep with someone who does or something. Real Fruheads don't miss shows close to home 2) Purchase 5 or more copies of each album. 2 for you, and 3 to give away to unwashed family and friends. 3) At least three times a year, travel over 4 hours or take a plane to see one or more Moxy Fruvous shows. 4) Attend every last single Fruvous show at the following places no matter what because you know they are going to be good: the Iron Horse, the Ark, the Fine Line, FRFF 5) Have seen at least your age worth of shows each year you've considered yourself a Fruhead. For example, I am 25, so I need to see at least 25 shows each year to still be a Fruhead. 6) Be immediately recognizable by all 4 members of Moxy Fruvous, and also Dave "Tobey" Tobey. Who cares if Cal recognizes you? 7) Own one of each merch item that exists from when you started trying to become a Real Fruhead. 8) Rail endlessly at anyone when they mention any of the following in person, in IRC, or on the newsgroup: mp3s, eBay, tape trading, how many shows they claim to have seen, any sort of personal relationship with Jian Ghomeshi. 9) Cut in line at every show you go to. Cutting in line is defined as having one person at the very front of the line whom you act like you know and like. You throw your arms in the air and say Hi! and proceed to talk to them for 10 minutes, thus securing your place in line. 10) Be able to read a.m.m-f and spot flames and annoying lists that are just too outrageous to actually be real and to realize that there may be a bit of sarcasm involved. I hope that helps. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:18:38 -0400 From: Melanie Subject: Re: Official FruHead Qualifications Chad Maloney wrote: >>The following is a list of finite definite qualifications that make you a Fruhead Officially. That's big O-fficially so pay attention. Please no putting check marks on your computer monitor. Print first. Thank you.<< Out of the entire 10, I seem to qualify only for one-fifth of #6. Tobey recognizes me. (Does he have to know your name, too?) Perhaps I also qualify in #10. Has there been sarcasm in these parts lately? melanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:12:36 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: The Item on EBay tamra wrote: > wow! i sure did pick a juicy time to start reading the newsgroup > again...its almost as good as the political back-stabbing, media-bytes > i'm being hounded with....chucklechucklechuckle....oh no, the humor has not > been lost on me... I'm thinking Lindsay and Adam have much to be proud of here. :) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it's the Supreme Court, stupid! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:31:02 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: The Item on EBay Reluctant Queen Lisa wrote: > OK .. one question that I must ask? > What makes someone a "wanna-be Fruhead?" > I thought Fruheads were fans of the band and their music.That's why I put it on > my license plate ... oh puhleeze. Like that gives anyone street cred? Now on the other hand, being the Queen of Spain, and mother to the Princess of Monaco, would have to qualify in spades. It's an In with the King, who's In with the band. Even if you are a would-be bigamist. > Please post a set of qualifications and rules so I and the rest of us can find > out if we are indeed really Fruheads like we thought we were simply because we > enjoy this band's music or whether we are simply wanna-be's. QL, QL, that would really just ruin the whole point of having a snobby little clique, wouldn't it? If Other People knew the Rules, then they might think They could aspire to getting in too somehow. And we certainly couldn't have that, or we wouldn't be a snobby little clique anymore. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it's the Supreme Court, stupid! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:56:14 GMT From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: Re: The Item on EBay Moi? - -- - --- Lindsay Lion Manager of Operations & Technology Biosyn, Inc. llion@biosyn-inc.com Lori Martin wrote in message news:39F86604.CD2F3BC7@xpnonline.net... > tamra wrote: > > > I'm thinking Lindsay and Adam have much to be proud of here. :) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:10:46 GMT From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: Here's *our* point - a response to rant # 3 Here's *our* point: a response to rant 3 as posted on gojian.com. As the US election season is drwaing to a close, Mr. Ghomeshi has decided to throw his hat into the ring by means of an article. We found it a bit immature, and quite annoying, and neither of us even likes Mr Bush. So in an effort to continue this dialogue, we have a few words of our own. Though writers are speaking to those who support George W. Bush, the letter in question is addressed to the "men of the United States". Not all men in the US are pro-Bush. Of those who are, we are sure that not all of them agree with Bush 100%. Part of voting for someone, sadly, has become voting *against* somebody else. We are tired of three groups of people. 1) The politicians who massage statistics and avoid addressing issues in a truthful manner; 2) Those who criticize those politicians without offering useful, tangible ideas for change; and worst of all 3) People in category 2 who utilize methods of group 1. Point 1: Gentlemen, how much of Bush's demeanor is true "stupidity" and how much of it is strategy? Isn't it possible that by combating Gore's many numbers with a simple man attitude, people can feel closer to Bush? Bush clearly can't speak on numbers. His state just doesn't have good ones. In order to be a viable candidate, he needed to go a different route. So is it stupidity, or for him, is it shrewd politics? Intelligence and the ability to display it are two different things. You bring up a number of male role models. Other than Ghandi, which of these men ever governed a country? Where is it written that heads of state should be role models? Do you consider the drunk Churchill to be a role model? Plenty of people looked up to him, even though he was off his ass on brandy and cigars for most of the war. How about the racist De Gaulle? Or how about JFK, idolized by millions but shown to be an adulterous liar? What do "dumb guys on TV" have to do with presidential candidates? Most TV shows are fiction - you know, made up. Don't tell us you think these characters reflect real life. As for the pronunciation of names, that has no bearing on your argument. How about making your real point, which is that Bush should know the names of these leaders? Unless, you'd rather go for the sensational rather than the substantive - which is part of the nation's problem right now. Point 2: Another issue we bring to your attention is the one sidedness of your arguement. If I recall, Gore went on a few talk shows himself, to try to mock his stiffness. How is this different than what Bush did? Let's compare Bush's finances with those of other presidential and vice-presidential candidates. Gore is rich, Lieberman's not doing badly, Cheney's loaded, Dukakis was pretty well off, Carter had a fortune, etc. Heck, FDR and JFK both came from two of the richest families in the country. What's your point here? In order to be a successful politician in the US, one must advertise oneself to the voting population. That takes money. As for having the oil industry in his back pocket, or being the pawn of the oil industry, what's your point and where's your proof beyond "we've always heard?" We're not defending Bush here, we're just trying to make sure that you call a spade a spade. Point 3: You two, Kaufman and Ghomeshi, mix your issues here. Are you trying to attack his stance on abortion? Because there are men and women involved on both sides of this issue - it's not limited to either gender. If you espouse the ideal that no man can tell any woman what to do with her body, then you also must espouse the ideal that no woman can tell any man how to think. Some people think abortion is wrong. Whether you agree with it or not, they believe it just as much as you may believe a woman has a right to choose whether or not to abort her pregnancy. Again - that is who he is trying to appeal to. I (Lindsay) think it would be a tragedy if Roe v. Wade was overturned by nominations to the Supreme Court. There are a ton of *women* who disagree with me, and that's their right. Point 4. Guns. Plain and simple, it is in our Constitution to have them. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Amendment II of the Constitution - consult http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/bor.html.) The free state here is defined by the people, not by the government; the people's right to bear arms is to protect themselves against oppresive governments. Is an overthrow imminent? No. But it would be dangerous to amend the Constitution, because no one can predict the future. This is separate from the issue of the military. By your own admission, we are the lone superpower left standing. And it isn't just "guy stuff" -- last time we checked, there were plenty of women in the U.S. military. And get this: they volunteered for it! Sure we could spend the money on universal health care, as you have up north, if people think they can also stomach the cost of wait years for your procedure in overcrowded hospitals. We're not trying to say that America's system and allocation of money is perfect, but Canada's isn't either, and it doesn't really have much to do with your point. "Is this going to be an electoral barrier for two middle-class guys who are of the Persian and Jewish persuasions?" The answer to your questions is "of course!" Plenty of people are increasingly fed-up with the system as-is. But until groups of people get together to stand up against the system, it's going to stay the way it is. We don't like that any more than you do. But taking pot-shots at an easy target isn't doing much to change things. Organize groups, back a third party candidate, *do something*. Criticizing from above the border in your letter is more preaching to the choir, and slantedly at that. Canada is not the US, and the US is not Canada. So, let's hear how Canadian campaigns are run and how you'd like to change that, eh? Sincerely, Lindsay Lion, pesky smart female Jewish Democrat llion@biosyn-inc.com Adam Hartfield, icky white male agnostic with Libertarian tendencies (ha ha, vote for the Browne-skinned man!) adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:51:39 EDT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Wanna-be Fruheads?!?!Re: The Item on EBay Lori Martin wrote: <> Wannabe Fruheads? How do you become a "real" one?!? I hope this is a joke that I'm not getting. Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:53:11 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: re: The Item on EBay Said the guileful Lindsay: >Moi? Yes. Toi. Don't go acting all innocent, missy. I remember perfectly well who started this little flame war. :) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it's the Supreme Court, stupid! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:00:52 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: The Item on EBay Chad Maloney wrote: > 4) Attend every last single Fruvous show at the following places no matter > what because you know they are going to be good: the Iron Horse, > the Ark, the Fine Line, FRFF Ahem. The *Rams Head*, perhaps? Or do you also subscribe to this outrageous but common prejudice against the southernmost parts of Philadelphia? > 6) Be immediately recognizable by all 4 members of Moxy Fruvous, and also > Dave "Tobey" Tobey. Who cares if Cal recognizes you? Colin's people do. Furthermore, they know he's Colin. > 8) Rail endlessly at anyone when they mention any of the following in > person, in IRC, or on the newsgroup: mp3s, eBay, tape trading, how > many shows they claim to have seen, Like a Real Fruhead could even *remember* petty details like that. Puhleeze. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ but I just want you to come figure me out ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:16:54 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: The Item on EBay > Lori Martin wrote in message > news:39F86604.CD2F3BC7@xpnonline.net... > > I'm thinking Lindsay and Adam have much to be proud of here. :) Me? What'd I do? I haven't said a peep in regard to the item on Ebay *or* about this latest round of NG nastiness. I swear, every six months or so when I check the NG, I see crap like this. It's enough to make one want to unsubscribe. Is that how it always will be? - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 00 16:37:42 EDT From: SnarkiFru Subject: The Ranting caused by "ego-BAY" to all of you posers, egotists, wanna-be's, stalker-ettes, etc... you all WISH you could be us. that's all there is to it. I'm sick and tired of this bullshit and these constant whiney-assed pathetic excuses to non-chalantly drop fruvous names and happen-stances in some desperate attempt to find some meaning to your worthless pointless lives. you are NOT one of us. Period. you are not, never have, and NEVER WILL BE one of the Fruvous Elite--- those who go above and beyond the call of überfan. Unless your ass has been behind the merch table working for the Cause... or the guys actually bother to know who the hell you are outside of a show you've been emailing them about 20 million times in the desperate attempt to get attention from them... do us a favour and shut your f*in' traps because you have NOTHING worthwhile to say! Christ in a HandBasket... give it UP! Angie "Ready to Kick some wanna-be ass" Armstrong ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:35:20 -0400 From: Ellen Buckley Subject: Re: The Item on EBay Adam Hartfield wrote: > Is that how it always will be? oh, good. my new shipment of Canned Whup-ass just arrived. peace, ellen ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 22:47:17 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: The Item on EBay One of the Chads, I can't keep 'em straight since I've never met either one (guess I haven't been to enough shows) wrote: <<10) Be able to read a.m.m-f and spot flames and annoying lists that are just too outrageous to actually be real and to realize that there may be a bit of sarcasm involved.>> Given some of the Mr.Hankey that's been flying on this NG since tourless angst has set in, is it any wonder that there are those of us who can no longer always tell the diff between real and faux flame wars??? L who has decided she'd rather join Lori's Murray High Priestess sect than sit alone on this throne ... you may now refer to me as LPL (currently Low Priestess but working my way up the ladder) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:25:23 EDT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: The Item on Ebay In a message dated Thu, 26 Oct 2000 7:10:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) writes: <> Damn, put me in the "I can't tell" category. I know most of the people "arguing" and it really does sound like they're serious. :P Fru-Con is going to be fun, fun, fun! I can't wait!!! *sarcasm* Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 23:28:47 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: VH,JP,L&N...Re: What's everyone listening to? >No self-respecting (former) member >of a (former) folk-rock duo should ever wear silver pants on stage, IMO. > >That's my not-so-subtle attempt to avoid a straight-up "Me, too!" post >:-) But this is why I really posted: > **Fine, Joe, but I never had any problem with Cary Pierce in silver pants. Especially the New Year's Eve when he had the silver outfit on and I was wearing gold lame' and he found a gold balloon and brought it out to me with the string in his mouth as he played... ahhh, good times! I did hear an interesting VH nugget, tho': a couple months ago they played a bif fair thingie in Rockford IL and the opening act was Matthew Sweet... apparently they came up to Matthew and apologized like hell to him for the fact that HE had to open for THEM. I thought that was pretty cool. I mean, I don't like the change (VH musically) at all, but I am happy for them because they're nice guys and I hope they're enjoying their success and all. I hope they get a few royalties after their label takes money for the wardrobe (now Matt's vinyl pants ARE scary), videos, etc. >Who had the first cruise, Lowen & Navarro or Eddie From Ohio? Who >(either one of them or some other band) originally came up with the >idea of fan-cruises? > That's a good question... I don't even remember what # cruise L&N is on this year but it's it http://www.lownav.com And obviously one band got it from the other because they've been pretty tight for a long time, I hear. To tie this back to the rest of this rant, I heard some guy behind me at a Matthew Sweet show and he was talking about how great L&N is but "they need to go electric." LIKE HELL THEY DO! :) I mean... errr, no, man. I don't think so. And I can't believe I didn't mention Matthew Sweet's best-of in my "listening to" post. That was SO dumb! Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:28:45 GMT From: "Valerie Jones" Subject: Re: The Item on EBay > > 6) Be immediately recognizable by all 4 members of Moxy Fruvous, and also > > Dave "Tobey" Tobey. Who cares if Cal recognizes you? um, i do. - --valerie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:31:32 -0600 From: Tony Subject: Re: What's everyone - Apology My apologies for the multiple identical posts. Tony > Melissa Hogan wrote: > > > Ok, my first post here. I figure this is a pretty safe one to jump into. > > > > Great Big Sea (my all-time favourites) - I also love their new CD, > > especially because I was in the audience for at least 6 of the tracks. Woo! > > The Punters - another rockin' band from Newfoundland > > Slainte Mhath - "celtic ecclectic" from Cape Breton > > Sarah Harmer, Jann Arden, Blue Rodeo, Guster, Damhnait Doyle, Vertical > > Horizon, Jackopierce, The Push Stars and Weeping Tile. > > That's just a small sampling of the stuff I listen to though. I've got > > pretty wide tastes in music. Everything from Irish jigs, to pop/rock, from > > jazz to even some klezma stuff (The Plaid Tongued Devils). I've also > > noticed that most of my music collection is Canadian. Nothing like > > homegrown talent I guess. > > > > *still waiting for Chapters to ship Live Noise to me - 3 weeks and counting* > > > > Cheers, > > Melissa :o) > > ______________ > > Visit the Slainte Mhath Message Board! > > http://disc.server.com/Indices/34760.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:40:00 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: The Item on EBay Valerie Jones wrote: > > > > 6) Be immediately recognizable by all 4 members of Moxy Fruvous, and > also > > > Dave "Tobey" Tobey. Who cares if Cal recognizes you? > > um, i do. > --valerie Ok, but that was in the context of fruheads. So maybe you arn't a "True" Chad-sancified fruhead, so what? Maybe that is better anyway. It could hurt his rep as the gruff and irritable sound guy if he were seen to be engaged to a "fruhead". Far better for him that you didn't make Chad's cut. It is a blessing in disguise I say. A.J. - -- "If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it.."--G.W.Bush St. Louis, Mo., October 18, 2000 Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:56:43 -0400 From: MJ Subject: bickering... Unless I'm missing another huge "elite-insider" joke here, do us all non-bickering people a favor and GROW UP. Whatever happened to that we-are-loving-hippies-and-geeks community that made me join this group? Flame away privately, I'm unsubscribing. ~MJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:03:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Lynne Subject: Re: The Item on EBay I never got the "quiz" but this was the best post yet, under this subject!! lynne, still chuckling - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:28:45 GMT From: Valerie Jones Subject: Re: The Item on EBay > > 6) Be immediately recognizable by all 4 members of Moxy Fruvous, and > > also Dave "Tobey" Tobey. Who cares if Cal recognizes you? um, i do. - --valerie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:03:59 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: The Item on EBay Adam Hartfield wrote: > Me? What'd I do? I haven't said a peep in regard to the item on Ebay *or* > about this latest round of NG nastiness. Uh-HUH. > Is that how it always will be? Aaack! Ellen, he did it! Not me! - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: [Proposal] alt.music.moxy-fruvous.flame For your newsgroups file: alt.music.moxy-fruvous.flame Flame wars amongst fans of Toronto band Moxy Fruvous Justification: The newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous currently has a significant amount of "flame" traffic which is not truly appropriate. The charter of alt.music.moxy-fruvous includes "respect for one another in a non-biased forum" as one if its goals. Current traffic shows that well over half of approximately 50 posts per day on the group are flame wars. The traffic is not entirely unwelcome, but should be moved to the proposed dedicated flame group. Charter: This newsgroup, alt.music.moxy-fruvous.flame, provides a forum for heated arguments about the band Moxy Fruvous, and various hateful or humorous comments about and amongst its fans. Topics should vary greatly, but generally are somehow related to the band, its music, live shows, fans, Chad, etc. Bad taste is welcome and encouraged. The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binaries will not be permitted. Thanks for your consideration. - - Jason jreiser@ecoutez.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #429 ********************************************