From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #333 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, August 3 2000 Volume 04 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [chad schrock ] Re: I see dead people (was Ghosts of Fruvous Obsession) [Katherine Maheux] Re: I see dead people (was Ghosts of Fruvous Obsession) ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: [mischlerp@my-deja.com] Re: Mostly OT: Budgies [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Ellen ] Re: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: [Maggie ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: [Anna! ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [fruvy ] Re: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: [Maggie ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Donna Hunt ] Sorta OT, Sorta Not: Interivew with Chris Murphy ["Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > chad schrock wrote: > > Maggie wrote: > > > > > that has turned this tiny thread into what it's become. Gella > > > was posting something that was sharing something EXTREMELY > > > personal with this community here on ammf. and what happens? > > > > This is NOT a community. This is a newsgroup. This is a > > newsgroup populated by a large number of people that post a > > lot and an even larger number of people that just read (lurk). > > > > True, this newsgroup is "nicer" than many other newsgroups > > out there, but that does not make us a "community." A > > "community" is that collection of people and buildings on > > the other side of your door or window. > > I have to take issue with you there chad. I think this newsgroup > (along with the group of people it is a forum for) IS a community. Yes, upon further thought, yes this is a type of community. However, it is unhealthy (IMO) to treat this newsgroup as a collection of your closest friends to share everything with. > True, it is a much larger and more diverse one than it was when > we started throwing that word around five years ago, but it > still IS a community. We share some common interests and we > have at least a general idea of who each other (lurkers > excluded) are. Which is true. (I'm not sure that the 'common interests' make the community, but I don't truely know what would make a 'community'.) > The essence of what you are saying (That someone posting here > should expect that people may take issue with what they have > said) is valid IMHO, but nevertheless I do not think that it is > inappropriate for someone to discuss any aspect of fruvous > fandom here, including the difficulties of discovering obsession. > Or the feelings one has when one sees a show etc. While I agree with you, I general, I don't think that everything needs to be shared; especially "extremely" personal details. (I guess what I'm saying is that, as with most everything, moderation is key.) > > > c'mon people, let's try a little kindness and support here. > > This is also not a support group. > Yes it is. I don't see "alt.support" in the newsgroup header anywhere... (As someone else said, the Internet is a [bad] place to find support on or from.) > It was designed as a forum for fans to share information > and thereby HELP each other. Help each other with getting to shows or crash space; sharing opinions about a show|song|lyric|album, etc. I do not think that this forum is here for people to help each other with more personal issues. Those are better handled by close friends or (better still) professionals. > If you don't want to help you don't have to, but you shouldn't > criticize others for doing so. Even if they are giving bad or unhelpful advice? off posing for Richard... chad :) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:02:41 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: I see dead people (was Ghosts of Fruvous Obsession) Taylor Nelson wrote: > Just get on with better things in life...go give some homeless person a > dollar, go see your gran...she misses you. Don't piddle your time away > getting angry. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not angry, I'm very interested by this stimulating conversation. It ain't a Fruvous Dreams thread! I think that maybe Chad and Ellen and the others who've been posting a lot feel the same way, and that's why they've been posting a lot. It seems that the people who feel that somehow they are being "attacked" are the ones who are getting angry. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:31:52 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: I see dead people (was Ghosts of Fruvous Obsession) Katherine Maheux wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not angry, I'm very > interested by > this stimulating conversation. It ain't a Fruvous Dreams > thread! I think > that maybe Chad and Ellen and the others who've been posting a lot feel > the same way, and that's why they've been posting a lot. It seems that > the people who feel that somehow they are being "attacked" are the ones > who are getting angry. Maybe they are angry because their fruvous dreams & whether or not they like Jian's new hair cut, posts will get lost in all the stimulating conversation. Ahhh...remember way back when, when Zard, Chris T and ceecee used to post...those were the days... Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:56:23 GMT From: mischlerp@my-deja.com Subject: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: For those of you attending the shows at Milestones on August 30, 31, and September 1, you'll notice a little thing printed on your ticket: "Under 21 Surcharge May Apply" Milestones (has in the past, and probably will again) be charging extra AT THE DOOR for the under-21 crowd to get into the concert. (I got stuck paying the surcharge when I was at Milestones on Aug. 10 last year for the WBER Benefit/Thornhill release show.) This "surcharge" is probably going to be in the $2 to $3 range. (I do not recall I won't venture into the debate of whether this is a "Good Thing" or not... it's well covered in the FAQ, but I do think it's sneaky and rotten for this fact to not be included in ANY of their advertising. I just wanted you all to be forewarned. - -Paul Mischler Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:34:32 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies In article <39883EAE.504D773F@fruvous.com>, Chad Maloney wrote: > There is a defined set > of inputs and a defined output. Those gyrations that you choose to > go through while coming to the output is just you trying to make > yourself believe you have free will. Preposterous balderdash sir. Watch carefully... I hereby let it be known to all those present that openly, categorically and without hesitation I want "wild" Billiam's children. I am about to undertake the sex change operation to make this biologically possible and I will then set up a web site `www.billiam-stalking.com', purportedly to discuss Billiam's solo career as an exotic dancer, but in reality so that I can draw him into my subtle web of deception, get him blind drunk and have my wicked way with him. I want babies with cute little goatee beards and I want them as soon as possible. Its true, upon my word of honour as a gentleman. Er, lady. See? I absolutely *defy* you to tell me the set of stimulii, and biological, social, or genetic determinants that in *any way* predict that I would post the above paragraph to an internationally available forum with my real name on it. Hence the only rational explanation: free will. So much for your arguments, chum. Yours not really believing that I'm about to press send, etc, Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:00:35 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Shilfiell wrote: >Likewise, the reaction to Gella. When it comes down to defending the >honor of a bandmember vs. defending someone who's nice to me WITHOUT me >buying their product, well, I'll side with the non-pro nice guy every >time unless they're blatantly wrong. the next time jian posts something about his personal thoughts on amm-f, i'll remember that. peace, el - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:51:47 -0700 From: Maggie Subject: Re: My Frudream i vote for a combination of both. :) ~M~ "Fr˙fffffc - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:53:05 -0700 From: Maggie Subject: Re: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: hmm... i wonder if i'll have to pay the surcharge even tho i'm on the guestlist... probly. ah well :\ ~M~ "Fr˙fffffc - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:47:17 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies richardbutterworth@my-deja.com wrote: [Snip Richard predictable tripe about having Bill's children] > > See? I absolutely *defy* you to tell me the set of stimulii, and > biological, social, or genetic determinants that in *any way* predict > that I would post the above paragraph to an internationally available > forum with my real name on it. Hence the only rational explanation: free > will. Just because you (and I) lack the mental capacity to contain even half the information that would entail the inputs to the next action taken in your mundane Brit life, Richard, doesn't mean that they aren't finite and fully enumerated and wholly responsible for your chosing to post what you did. For all I know, "wild" Bill isn't really in Massachusettes. He could be in your living room with a pair of scissors threatening to cut the strings on your favorite Mandolin if you don't post that you want his children. Now you're going to be amazed at how I knew that and I'll act all aloof. Then you're going to ask me to explain what kind of inputs caused Bill to do that. To that I'd say that Bill is evil, and evil inputs aren't something I concern my time with. So, in conclusion, I'm glad you saved your mandolin, Richard, but at what price? WHAT PRICE? - Chad Recommended reading: Breakfast of Champion by Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:07:28 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions lawrence wrote: *snip* > it's not. everything that happens is part of someone's memory. > and that's > all that was being posted - someone's memory of a show, saying > they'll miss all that. the experience of going to a show. > if, for you, that's just seeing > the show, fine. But don't deny others what they include. > That's just selfish. It's not selfish to say that people should be careful about what they post about a band member (who is in the public eye) on their NG and something that may involve their personal life outside of the venue. Common Sense isn't all that common, is it? It looks bad on their part if they post something like, "Like OHMIGOD! I saw eating dinner at next to the venue and like I didn't know if I should go up to him and say hi! 'cuz like I really didn't know what to say..." They are human, and everyone knows they have to eat. Did this happen during the show? Nope. Not relevant then. *Just to alert you - this might be OFF TOPIC TO YOUR POST - SCROLL DOWN IF IT IS* I think many people would like to see one post in here that's a "review" of the show when people would remember the cool banter (sometimes almost word for word) and describe their 'experience' of the show in such a way that you thought you were there if you couldn't make it to the show. Some reading now may remember those posts and those reviews (which are now posted on FDC.) What we have now is: "this is how i got to the show, here is the setlist cuz I snagged it before they came out before the first encore , it was cool, Jian remembered my name and I was like so stunned and I can't wait for my next show. ." Experience of the show? Not even close - seeing who can post the setlist first is the review today. 'Experience' of the show seemed to evolve from "What great banter was last night - and here is a list of it " to " Didn't even give me the time when I asked him last night at the show." > see, this is where newsgroups and mailing lists get into trouble. > when people > start responding to things that no one said. everyone here has, > so far, agreed that this behaviour is not to be expected of them, > but is cool when it > happens. so I have no idea what you're responding to here, > other than maybe > to just rant about something you don't like. Hmmm...I was posting something that consisted of *my* show experience. Sorry I didn't label it "my show experience" for your convenience. So now, "rant" = "my show experience?" Then this thread has successfully moved in a circle. We're back to the point of the original post. > > Why would you post your innermost thoughts on a public forum that is > > seen by thousands of people who have no clue who you are and don't > > really care? Isn't that what "diaryland.com"[2] is for? > > why not? some people are very open about their lives. > if you don't like it, you can ignore it. Being open can be construed as TMI. I'm wondering - why you didn't mark this thread "read" if you didn't like the posts that followed to begin with. Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:39:00 GMT From: Anna! Subject: Re: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: In article <8mbq5k$ln9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > I do think it's sneaky and > rotten for this fact to not be included in ANY of their advertising. i assume it's not covered in their advertising simply because it's a pretty common practice. i know a lot of clubs that cater to the college kids around here and which typically get smaller bands, will usually charge a few extra bucks because most of their profits do come from beer sales. i suppose it sucks, and i know i hated it when i had to pay the cover, but at least it's better then making the show entirely 21+. - -anna- http://elements.dreamhost.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:08:58 -0700 From: fruvy Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Ellen wrote: Subject: dinner reservations? well, almost.... just wanted to post a friendly reminder that i'm having a pool party on WEDNESDAY AUGUST 30TH *before* the fru-show at milestones. get in touch with me (maggie_fru@hotmail.com) and i can give you directions and such. :D if you can bring snacks and drinks (i'm asking *no* alcohol please) i can provide ya with dinner from a *local* pizza place. no dominos for us, even though they have a bad andy... :) e-mail me at maggie_fru@hotmail.com if you're interested in the party. we'll have a deejay! mark the mopper from darien lake. wahoo! hehehe later all ~M~ "Fr˙fffffc - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:02:37 -0700 From: wildbill Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies okay.. so I leave for training in boston for a few days and I'm the object of richard's affection and the evil person who happened cut the mandolin strings on Richard's instrament of mass choas. allow me to conjecture this, being the mathematician that I am. Theory: If you take the limit of possibilities to infinity you get closer to free will. Conjecture: Since we all have finite life spans you can never have infinite possibilities. Conjecture: Since we don't have complete control of the interactions which limit our possibilities, actions which limit our choices confine the set of infinite possibilites, thereby bounding free will. Conjecture: Laws and society in general bound the set of possibilites as well as birth, race, gender, financial status, time of birth, location also bound the set of possibilities. I have kind of steered this toward the idea that there isn't free will per se since the set of possibilites is bounded. i.e. only if you had complete control over everything or rather no control over anything and nothing had any consequence could you have complete free will. But since we do not have that, there is a limit on what one would call "free will". But since the set of possibilities is still quite numerous even with all the bounding factors, preditiction of a pseudo-random event is so impossible that it should be considered free will. Okay, now that i have laid this out.. I am sure that richard is just dying to prove me wrong, at which point I will now be checking all "women" for adam's apples. And contrary to popular opinion, I am not evil, I am just misunderstood. What I need is a big hug.. but not from Richard. "wild" Bill (should be taking lunch right now.. mmm.. cheap cajun food) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:09:56 -0700 From: Maggie Subject: Re: Rochester Underage Fruhead Warning: ah well, i mean, i guess they think the $2 bottle of water i buy isn't enough ~M~ "Fr˙fffffc - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:13:20 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies In article <398985F5.2FD902C4@fruvous.com>, Chad Maloney blathered tiresomely: > For all I know, "wild" Bill isn't really in Massachusettes. He could > be in your living room with a pair of scissors threatening to cut > the strings on your favorite Mandolin if you don't post that > you want his children. Aha! Your fatal flaw Maloney! You post into this thread suggesting that "wildiam" Billiam is in fact in my front room about to perpetrate unspeakablenesses[1] upon my mandolin. And in fact he is! Or is he? The coincidence is too much. How could Chad possibly know what is going on in my living room? Unless... **in a single forceful, yet balletic movement I remove the evil beard from the person in my living room, revealing none other than Chad himself!** So, Maloney, my arch nemesis, you infiltrate my living room, a feat of no mean skill because in fact I don't have a living room, disguise yourself as "wild" Billiam with an evil beard and threaten my mandolin in order to get me to post an obviously flawed argument supporting free will which you then unravel, hence giving credence to your own determinism nonsense. Also your malevolent plot sought to undermine that fine and noble pillar of Seattle society, Senator "wild" Billiam, by incriminating his beard. I EXPOSE YOU, Chad! Chad will now, unless I'm *very* much mistaken, post to inform us all that he'd have got away with it too, if it wasn't for those damn kids. > So, in conclusion, I'm glad you saved your mandolin, Richard, but > at what price? WHAT PRICE? Give me back the mandolin Chad. Now. No funny business. I have you covered with this antique harmonium that Zard once slept under. Yours about to go and sit in cemetry, and about time too, etc, Richard [1] As opposed to the unspeakablenesses I usually perpetrate with the thing. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:50:18 -0400 From: Paul Baker Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning Got this from CBS today -- WOO HOO!!! - ----- You wrote some time ago inquiring about Moxy Fruvous, and I wanted to write to you again to tell you that we plan on running the Moxy Fruvous segment on this coming Sunday's show (August 6). If there is breaking news, the Moxy Fruvous segment might be shifted to another show, but chances are that if you tune in this Sunday, you'll see the Moxy Fruvous segment on the show. We hope you enjoy the piece! Sunday Morning - ----- Trace wrote: > Hey everyone, > > VCR ALERT! > > It looks like the CBS Sunday Morning segment on Fruvous will air August 6th. > They don't have a blurb about it on the Sunday Morning page yet, but when I > ran my pointer over the Sunday Morning link on the CBS News mainpage, the > upcoming stories asked "Are you a Fruhead?" > > Yay! > -- > Trace > trace at fruhead dot com > > Maybe we're just looking at a funhouse mirror > and loving our reflections > ~MPG~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:03:33 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Lori Martin wrote: > so we don't get all pissed at you for asking "who's this Jean guy who > disappeared?". Whew. I was just going to ask that, too. >and Murray's divinity, I dunno, Lori. You may have to explain this one to me again. >but not about music (we hate that.) Good. Me, too. >Make sure you call chad a whore at least once weekly. Done. > Kitchen's ready. Menu's up to you (except for the tabbouleh). Um... does this mean the Tabouli is required? Or requested NOT to be served? > Yay! Brunch with Donnagirl, dinner with Murray ... what day of the week >IS Sept 3, anyway? Sunday. And it's The Donnagirl to you. (Welcoming me to the ng, indeed.) You'd better be free, woman! You don't want both of us pissed at you. Inigo's talons are long this time of year. ;) I'll get you, my pretty... Is anybody else having trouble with congestion these days? chad? ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:50:32 EDT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Sorta OT, Sorta Not: Interivew with Chris Murphy A while back (February), my friend did an interview with Chris Murphy of Sloan. At the time I read it and found some of it applicable to Fruvous/fruheads/whatever. I was too lazy to type it out, but now my friend has put in on line, and I thought I would post a portion of it for people to read. Neccessary Disclaimer: I in no way saying that the feelings expressed in the interview are related to the way Fruvous feels. I have no way of knowing that. This is just the viewpoint of one band member from a completly different band, and I thought people might be interested. This interview is copyright Golden Words, Queen's University and Sofi Papamarko. For reference, GW is the interviewer (Golden Words' Sofi Papamarko) and CM is Chris Murphy. For the complete interview, here is the link: http://uproar.fortunecity.com/celebrity/294/chrismurphy.html GW: Do you have any memorable fan stories? Do any particular fans stick out? CM: Well, there's lots of them. I've seen some more than others who I would remember more. Most of them are polite. Some of them are a little...touched. GW: Touched? As in... CM: A little crazy. Some of them...we definitely have kids that follow us around and fly to shows and that type of stuff. There was a kid in L.A. who said that she'd just come from Japan - I don't know if that was true - but I see some kids who go to like 18 shows a year or whatever. You know, "I've seen you guys seven times this past little run." GW: The equivalent of Deadheads. CM: Yeah. But you know, I don't really like it that much. The repeat business is all very exciting and very fun and kids are good and all that shit, but um, sometimes you're dealing with people who don't realize what a pain in the ass they're being. Especially because we like to be so accessible, or I do - I like to go and talk to the kids after the show or before the show or whenever there's a time because I like making that connection because I think that's a part of what people like about us. But some people, they get into line every night to come and talk and they just sit there. I don't mean to say that I'm not interested in what they're doing but it's just like, "Well, at school, I'm doing this and this..." and it's like, you know, I don't have time for all that stuff and you told me last night. Some people I meet definitely turn into friends but some of them just - they're too young or there's nothing in common. It's more like a teacher-student relationship, and I like being the cool substitute teacher but, I don't know, it's too much. I can't do that. And sometimes you're dealing with kids who are in troubled situations at home too and you get a bit of information...sometimes that's hard. GW: You have to play Guidance Counsellor, too. CM: Yeah, again, it's funny. I'm the substitute teacher and yet I have no training. There's definitely been sad cases of kids saying "You've helped me through this and that because somebody beat the shit outta me" or "I'm scared of my dad" and that type of stuff. You know, I don't really have a good stock answer for that, it's like "Well, just know that you're better than him" or something. I don't know what to say. But, for the most part, it's pretty light and fun and kids mean well. I think that our fans are really bright and I welcome seeing them anytime, whether on or off the job. They're usually good people. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #333 ********************************************