From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #327 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, August 2 2000 Volume 04 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Fruvous popularity [emaphlegma@aol.com (Emaphlegma)] Re: Grape Jam Schedule [Paul Mischler ] Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment) [Katherine Maheux ] Grape Jam Schedule ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment) [Katherine Maheux ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Shilfiell ] Re: cute fru moment ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: Mostly OT: Budgies [Richard Butterworth ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Katherine Maheux ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [lawrence solomon ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Maggie ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [fruomffan@diganet.com (Cara Kozack)] RE:Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:43:10 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions fruvy wrote: > > Gella wrote: > > >Meanwhile I've just shared something with you that I was only > >just able to admit to myself the moment before I wrote the > >initial post... and you choose to just pick out the tiny bit to > >criticize me... > > My god people. I make one comment in support of Gella cause I > could tell it was personal and could relate to it then all of a > sudden the two of us are jumped on because of it? Like Gella, I > also don't feel any sense of entitlement to any of his > attention, he's just a man that I know that's been a good friend > to me. That's all. I don't understand how what I said could be > seen as the bitching Well, you said: > > Incidentally, when I met him at Clearwater this year, he > semi-did that to me too. > *hmph* That sure sounds like you feeling a bit jilted. I see that you may not have meant it that way, but you have to admit that is the most obvious reading. Loren made a generalized reply which she specifically stated was not aimed at you or your relationship to Jian (since she was in no position to comment). Maybe Chad was a bit harsh, but he was responding with a rational question to what you seemed to be implying, which was that Jian paid less attention to you than you thought was appropriate. If that isn't what you meant then just say so. This Newsgroup, I'm sure you have all noticed, is rather touchy about people claiming to be "Friends" of any of the band members. This is because many fans who talk about it seem to assume more intimate relationships with the band members than they actually have, and because those who may in fact actually have relationships beyond fan/performer will generally not discuss those on the newsgroup. I have no knowledge of most of your relationships with any of the frulads, so personally, I'm not going to be making any assumptions, however you should be aware that if you post anything here which says "I am a personal friend of X band member" you had better be prepared for that statement to be examined. That is just the nature of the culture around here. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 2000 23:08:02 GMT From: emaphlegma@aol.com (Emaphlegma) Subject: Re: Fruvous popularity << I kind of like it that Moxy Fruvous isn't super popular. I certainly wish that they would get more radio time... >> I feel the same exact way. ~Mel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:18:53 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: Grape Jam Schedule /me notes: From the schedule: 1:00-2:15 Sarah Selean, Tory Cassis, Danny Michel I do hope that is Sarah Slean playing with Tory Cassis there... *please be a typo* :-) "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > Number one...the Grape Jam...the Grape Jam... > http://www.goerie.com/grapejam/schedule.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:58:45 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: cute fru moment Super Dave wrote: > bucks. People don't know about Fruvous. If they did, I have a sneaky > feeling that they would like them at least as much as they like those > media-driven groups. I don't know about that. All of Canada has known about Moxy Früvous for years and it doesn't seem to care. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:12:38 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment) "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > The releases from 'Stunt' that hit the American Top 40 are: > "One Week," "It's All Been Done," and "Call and Answer." Obligatory X-Files tie-in (well, with Chrissy, it's obligatory): did anyone see David Duchovny on one of the late night talk shows (can't remember if it was Letterman or Leno) playing the chicken shake and singing the "ooh-ooh-ooh!" part to "It's All Been Done" with BNL? Despite the fact that he really didn't sound all that good, I think if I was a barenaked lady (which I occasionally am! Hey!) that would have been the defining moment of my career for me :) I figure I'm entitled seeing as how I just posted very on-topic. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:31:38 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Grape Jam Schedule And now for something completely on topic... Number one...the Grape Jam...the Grape Jam... http://www.goerie.com/grapejam/schedule.htm And now for something completely different... a man with a tape recorder up his nose... http://www.amanwithataperecorderuphisnose.com Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:14:20 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment) "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > The releases from 'Stunt' that hit the American Top 40 are: > "One Week," "It's All Been Done," and "Call and Answer." Obligatory X-Files tie-in (well, with Chrissy, it's obligatory): did anyone see David Duchovny on one of the late night talk shows (can't remember if it was Letterman or Leno) playing the chicken shake and singing the "ooh-ooh-ooh!" part to "It's All Been Done" with BNL? Despite the fact that he really didn't sound all that good, I think if I was a barenaked lady (which I occasionally am! Hey!) that would have been the defining moment of my career for me :) I figure I'm entitled seeing as how I just posted very on-topic. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:04:55 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: *snip* > Jian, I'll expect you for dinner on Sept. 3. Put it in > your date book right now!!! *checks calendar* AJ, are you blowing me off for dinner on September 3rd now? PPPFFFFBBBTTT!!! :p Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:20:01 GMT From: Shilfiell Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions In article <01af68c0.2dd83863@usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com>, Maggie wrote: > Gella > was posting something that was sharing something EXTREMELY > personal with this community here on ammf. and what happens? > she's jumped on and basically insulted. and that isn't right at > all. it's akin to a friend of yours confiding an embarrassing > secret to you and you laugh in his/her face. it's just mean. Amen, Maggie. I too found nothing offensive in Gella's post. I happen to think that Gella's a wonderful, sweet girl who deserves a bit better, and it makes me angry to think that her feelings might have been hurt because of this misunderstanding. Come back, Gella! - -kimberly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:46:39 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: cute fru moment Katherine Maheux wrote: > Super Dave wrote: > > bucks. People don't know about Fruvous. If they did, > > I have a sneaky > > feeling that they would like them at least as much as they like those > > media-driven groups. > > I don't know about that. All of Canada has known about Moxy Früvous for > years and it doesn't seem to care. Thank you Kath for saying that! I was waiting for a canadian to mention what their popularity is like now in Canada as opposed to 1992-93 (or up until the release of 'Wood'). Does anyone remember someone posting (last year or the year before) when they bought tickets in Canada to a Fruvous show and the ticket agent said "Moxy Fruvous? Those guys are still around?" Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:14:25 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies Chad Maloney wrote: > But really when I think about it again, my above definition of a > free action is probably wrong. I have to disagree here. No that's not what I meant, I don't *have* to disagree here. I have free will and therefore its my choice as to whether I disagree here, and I choose to disagree here. Although I don't have to. I could agree here, because I have free will to do so, but then actually if I *did* agree here that would mean that I was agreeing that there was no free will and I would not have the free will to say so. Hence contradiction. Ergo triplets in 7/8 with bass trills. What I was saying before I was so rudely interupted by triplets in 7/8 with bass trills was that I have free will to do whatsoever I choose. I could behave entirely irrationally and not send this ng post having type it all out, just to prove my point. In fact I think I shan't. Only if I do try to prove my point by lack of action then you will not not be aware of that lack of action and therefore I wouldn't prove my point at all. Oh stuff it. I'm going to post on topic. I'm personally well versed in much fairy-lore and I've never heard of elfs that sail ravines and give advice. Is that what they do in Canada? > Damn libertarian bunk. Compatibilism, bonus! (This is the Mahoney family moto by the way. Its Latin for `Six Strings Bad. Four Strings Good!' and is emblazoned under his crest depicting a twinkie dispenser galloping rampant on a field of complaints about the FAQ.) Yours free willy, etc, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:49:25 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment) Katherine Maheux wrote: > "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > The releases from 'Stunt' that hit the American Top 40 are: > > "One Week," "It's All Been Done," and "Call and Answer." > > Obligatory X-Files tie-in (well, with Chrissy, it's obligatory): =) now why would you think that all of a sudden? ;D I can hear it now..."*reading* OHMIGOD!!! SHE'S A TWINKIE!!!" ;D > did anyone see David Duchovny on one of the late night talk > shows (can't > remember if it was Letterman or Leno) playing the chicken shake and > singing the "ooh-ooh-ooh!" part to "It's All Been Done" with BNL? I have to find my tape of that!!! I think it was on Leno. I mean BNL and DD[1]!!! What more can one ask for?! :D Okay, well the guys here might be saying "Gillian Anderson" but we won't get into that. ;D > Despite the fact that he really didn't sound all that good, > I think if I > was a barenaked lady (which I occasionally am! Hey!) that would have > been the defining moment of my career for me :) > > > I figure I'm entitled seeing as how I just posted very on-topic. Wait a minute now! Are you dissing DD? Alright, we're going to take this outside NOW! =) Christine. [1] That's 'David Duchovny' and not 'Duran Duran' *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:56:47 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment) chad schrock wrote: > "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > > I thought the same thing and I'm not from Canada. > > oh, PUHleeze. You're not from Canada by an accident of a couple > of miles. But...but is it my fault!? :D > > (When did BNL become a one-hit wonder?) > > I mean the entire "Stunt" album has been overplayed. Or is that > > just in certain areas? > > certain areas, I think. Our mainstream/so-called Top 40 stations (not Canadian) played almost every song from 'Stunt.' It was amazing to go to the Stunt show in '98 at MMA (now known as HSBC arena - I feel like I'm at work *g*) and see all these 12 year old girls dancing to "only" the Stunt songs and sitting to all the "classic" BNL tunes. They also used the Buffalo show for the concert broadcast on CTV from Toronto, "Barenaked In America" which is part of the documentary. (just thought you'd like to know *g*) > I only think that "One Week" was ever played on main-stream > radio in general. Maybe some other songs on college radio. > > (But college radio != a hit.) The releases from 'Stunt' that hit the American Top 40 are: "One Week," "It's All Been Done," and "Call and Answer." > > But, remember in one post, Super Dave pointed out that he > > doesn't listen to the radio, so then how would he know if BNL > > is a one-hit wonder or not? > > I listen to radio and I said it. :) okay, so we got 2 now - anyone else? :D Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:42:13 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Daancing Queen wrote: > If Jian (or insert name here) is a friend, then likely he would call you, > email you, go for coffee when he's in town, etc. If that's the case, then > why do you need a hug after a show? And if he's simply someone from a band > who is kind enough to talk to his audience after a show, well, then he > really doesn't owe you anything. (Not trying to attack anyone or their > perceptions of their relationships, but simply stating "my opinion" (tm)). That's a good way of putting it, Sar. I've met a lot of people over the past three and a half years who either believed or had been led to believe (who knows, maybe Fruvous' attitude towards fan-band relationships just does that to people) that they were friends with one or more member of the band. And I think it's pretty sad because once there's a conflict with that band member and their personal vs. professional space, they might be apt to feeling betrayed or discarded. And that's really too bad. Moxy Früvous should be a pleasant experience. There's really no need for all these "What am I to him? - He didn't smile at me - Where does he get off?" kinds of feelings and thoughts. I'm really proud of Gella, even though I don't know her very well, for realizing that she might not have been doing what's best for her by obsessing over Früvous so much. I hope that you can find a good balance, Gella. As for me, I don't really consider the members of Moxy Früvous to have any kind of friendship-like obligation to me. The truth is, I don't remember ever feeling truly hurt or ignored or left out by a band member. For lack of a better term, I usually refer to them, when talking of them to people who don't really know who they are, as "someone I know" or "someone I sort of know" or the now-ever-convenient "this guy my roomate works for". Sure, it's nice when someone who's been onstage for 2 hours sweating with teenage girls screaming "____, I want to have your baby!" takes a minute to ask you how you are doing. It makes you feel important, and there's nothing wrong with that. Fans are very important. And Moxy Früvous treats theirs exceptionally well, and really appreciates how interesting and diverse they (we) are. Now back to your regularly scheduled bitchfest 2000. Feel free to pick apart any statements I might not have thought through completely. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:21:01 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Ellen wrote: > i'm sorry, but i'm with the others. the reason that one detail was > picked on was that that was where someone (or rather someoneS) > felt that you were out of line. and you were. out of line? it's out of line to want something? nowhere in Gella's post does she say she *expects* Jian, or any of the other guys to give her attention, but that it is nice when they do, and she'll miss that when she leaves the country. I don't see what's so terrible about that. > you shouldn't have to feel eternally grateful for any scrap of > attention a band member gives you, because you shouldn't be > needing it that much. do you see that? why not? are people not allowed to take pleasure and find comfort in the things they enjoy? can someone not feel eternally grateful for something that someone did above and beyond the call of duty? > and you shouldn't be expecting it, either. it's not fair to the > band you love so dearly to expect that kind of devotion from > them. and I don't think anyone is expecting it. read Gella's post carefully and see that she, herself, thinks it's an unhealthy obsession. she freely admits that she relies on Früvous too heavily - not necessarily the guys personally, but the band, the shows, and the experiences, good or bad. the phrase that everyone has been picking on is this: "...all I can think of is...Jian's semi blowing me off because he was with a woman..." she's recounting her memory of meeting the guys at the show, not complaining that Jian didn't give her the time of day. what he did was "part of the experience." > presumably, you give it freely to them, and that means they owe > you nothing in return. but your expectations, as you state them > here, have gotten out of hand. that's all anyone was trying to > say. that's basically what YOU yourself (gella) said in the > original post, and some people agreed with you. don't post > things like that if you don't want to hear that others agree. nope. she says nothing about expectations in her original post. nothing about them owing her anything more than the show she paid money to see. > and if this criticism is enough to stop you from posting here, > then perhaps it's better that you do, at least for a while. > until you get some perspective. excuse me, but that is just way out of line. condescending and rude, telling someone to "get some perspective." I think you owe Gella an apology. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:27:17 -0700 From: Maggie Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions okay, yesterday when i read this thread there were about three or four responses. now it's a *lot* and i thought i was getting upset yesterday. i absolutely HAVE to add my thoughts here. i saw what how Jian blew Gella off, and i made me mad. they were talking, having a good conversation. Gella was quizzing Jian to see if he remembered her middle name, as he addressed her by her full name when he saw her. everything was good, and i know kinda how Gella is, and i was happy for her. Ji turned around and saw a friend of his, didn't say goodbye to Gella and just walked away to this other girl. and i can understand why, he didn't know how long she'd be there, he might not have been able to find her afterwards, anything really. it was just generally rude. i would have been just as upset if anyone else had done the exact same thing, not necessarily Jian. and Sally's similar experience. i wasn't there, but the girl he was talking to when he semi-blew off Sally was a friend of his. i've met her before and seen her at shows and things. so it wasn't a reporter or a record label person. she was a friend. and i'd like to add that Sally and Jian really *do* have something that resembles a friendship. from my knowledge they haven't yet met outside of a concert atmosphere, but something along those lines is in the works for the somewhat near future. so this isn't a friendship that Sally dreamt up in her disillusions. so that's the history i'd like to share. now here's what i have to say. LAY OFF. this is addressed to everyone who has something mean/snarky/meanttobehelpfulbutjustdidn'tcomeoutright that has turned this tiny thread into what it's become. Gella was posting something that was sharing something EXTREMELY personal with this community here on ammf. and what happens? she's jumped on and basically insulted. and that isn't right at all. it's akin to a friend of yours confiding an embarrassing secret to you and you laugh in his/her face. it's just mean. Sally posted to give a bit of sympathy, not to "show off" the fact that she and Jian are friends or a reasonable facsimile thereof. she was being kind, she was giving a cyberhug. and what's the result? Gella's not going to post, and probably not going to read. and worst of all, she's left with a sour taste in her mouth before she heads off to spain in the fall. :( that's SO not cool. c'mon people, let's try a little kindness and support here. ~Maggie~ "Fr˙fffffc - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:51:06 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > > *snip* > > > Jian, I'll expect you for dinner on Sept. 3. Put it in > > your date book right now!!! > > *checks calendar* AJ, are you blowing me off for dinner on > September 3rd now? PPPFFFFBBBTTT!!! :p With you?!?!?!?! AJ, I blew off dinner with Murray to have dinner with you on the 3rd! You'd better pick who you want to have dinner with![1] [1] - and it had better be me. - -- chad at radix dot net Fruvous, dinner, and the Backstreet Boys. All in one post. Imagine that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:30:17 GMT From: fruomffan@diganet.com (Cara Kozack) Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) wrote in <20000801120017.06852.00001347@ng-fm1.aol.com>: >Heya... check it... >Did you guys look at the Sunday Morning Page? There's nothing about Fruvous, >but there *is* going to be a story about genetically altered food. >Guinea Pig, anyone? > >Just a thought, just a thought... Hmmm...I can forsee....a whole thread of people searching the CBS site for OT Frü references. Heh...confuse the whole corparation by overloading the site for searches for former monarchs of an European country, the antics of a right with personality in the United States and points beyond, not to mention various other things that I'm simply too lazy to write. - -- Cara Kozack It's a reference to a _____ that you've never even heard of by\in\on a _____ that you probably don't even like! fruomffan@diganet.com www.crosswinds.net/~fruomffan ICQ: 56416421 ------------------------------ Date: 02 Aug 2000 02:07:31 GMT From: shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S) Subject: RE:Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions wow..i barely read the NG these days..i admittedly delete it from my email box and figure*if i wanna catch it, i'll go to the NG*, but i couldn't help reading these recent posts... i feel the need to respond as such(and you can either like me, hate me, or not care either way!) gella is my friend and i understand what she means because i know how special the band and following them has been to her. i know how she feels about the band. i know what she AND sally mean by jian dissing them for a woman, cause he did the same to me at clearwater, too. c'mon, we all know jian does it, but i also feel that it is his right to talk to whomever he wants to talk to. i also know that he nor murray nor dave nor mike is not obligated to give us any shred of their time and it is wonderful that they do so. i agree that we should not censor what we say around here(unless it's just tactless or raunchy or inappropriate) because of the fact that the band may read it. i agree that jian would probably not want that, as i feel he is a person who respects people and their opinions. i don't know if they still read it or not. i do know that at a concert jian said he was *familiar with me* and i'd only met him twice before and that was almost a year prior to this concert and then i just asked for an autograph and a picture..no real conversation... i know that gella was not saying that she was grateful for the time that the band spends with her as a desperation thing, as i feel it has been interpreted. she was merely expressing gratitude for the fact that they ARE so good to so many of us and always have a moment and a kind word (eg-jian bending over backwards practically at the Frü-B-Que to help leah with her asthma and convincing her mom to let her at least stay upstairs in the green room for it; dave giving me a big hug when i left the Frü-B-Q and thanking me for my help with the t-shirts we had made and presented to them as well, dave wishing me a *safe home* when i left clearwater, mike commenting on my being at FRFF and making the trek from philly and camping, murray asking me on sunday at FRFF if i had enough sunblock on cause i looked like i was burning) i like the band. hell, who am i kidding; i LOVE the band. they are talented, nice, down-to-earth people no matter what anyone says. they know they are not obligated to talk to us. they choose to do so. if they didn't want to, they would not engage us in conversation when they seee one of us that they recognize at or before concerts, at the festivals, etc... am i obsessed with the band? hmmm..well, that depends on who you ask.... my friend karen thinks i am,(though i say she's a closet fruhead cause she's been to 3 shows with me and even signed up for an FHDC account to find me when i'm online..and she's talked on the powerwall!!!!) if you aks my mom, she just wonders why i go to see the same band so many times(i am sure you'll all understand and admit that no show is ever the same..part of the fun and the draw..) i don't go to as many shows or travel as far as some of my fruhead friends do. but would i if i could? sure. is it just the band? no. the band is a lot of it. my fruhead friends are a BIG part of it. FRFF was special to me not only because of seeing fruvous and so many other bands i enjoy repeatedly, it was spending 4 days with my dearest friends, enjoying music we all like and being together. ok..here's my point....we all like the band or we wouldn't be here. we all have a right to our opinions and the right to express them. we are all fruheads.(well, i *think* we are) we are all, i'm sure, nice people, as i have *yet* to meet a fruhead that i just thought was a total asshole(though i've heard stories..) we should just all try to enjoy ourselves, enjoy the band's music, enjoy any time that we get to talk with the band, enjoy life as a whole....not to be melancholy, but it IS fleeting, and we should appreciate what we have.. and now you will probably all enjoy the fact that my post is over. shelly(and for those of you from camp fruvous, i just wanna quote adam brodsky's songs from sat nite!!!) ~oh, look, one has RE-turned!! let us RE-joice~...from 'three sunburned fruheads'/'three chartreuse buzzards' ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #327 ********************************************