From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #322 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, July 31 2000 Volume 04 : Number 322 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: What Phrase [Melanie ] RE: Has Jian seen this? ["Vokes, Laurie" ] Re: Has Jian seen this? ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: cute fru moment [Ellen ] Re: OT: Pokemon is Good (WAS: Re: What Phrase) [akaishi@nospam.unity.unit] Re: cute fru moment ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: cute fru moment [Super Dave ] Re: Loser [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queen] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Chad Maloney ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Jacey7@aol.com] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [fruvy ] The Nields - Tour Schedule aug 2000 [primecity@aol.com (Primecity)] Re: Syracuse this Saturday [Rachel ] Fruvous popularity [Rebekkah Kerner ] Re: Bottom Line - 7/26/2000 [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] Re: cute fru moment [brassgrl70@aol.com (Brassgrl70)] Re: Fruvous as a media giants (was cute fru moment) [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: OT: Pokemon is Good (WAS: Re: What Phrase) [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Fruvous popularity [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: cute fru moment ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: cute fru moment [chad schrock ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:19:26 -0400 From: Melanie Subject: Re: What Phrase >>Jacey7 wrote: > when she talks, I listen. > > It's like, "what goes up, must come down." Then Chris K. wrote: >>it reminds me of the joke about men and how they never listen to women.The first time I heard that I said, "WHA?! You actually *listen* to her!? << As one who actually LIKES When She Talks, I have to jump in here. The first line has to be taken in context with the second, "It's something significant because I don't often." The singer has determined that not everyone in life is worth listening to, but this particular woman IS. I mean, admit it, aren't there people that you just tune out immediately because they rarely have anything worthwhile to say? Hello? Hello? Anybody there? :-) melanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:19:34 -0500 From: "Vokes, Laurie" Subject: RE: Has Jian seen this? Well I for one owned an Oldsmobile (and I loved that car)when I was in college - and no, I'm not 80! I also knew of lot's of people who drove Oldsmobiles when they were in college (or are now in college). So that blows your theory all to hell! - -----Original Message----- From: Wakko Ellington Warner-Warner III [mailto:wakko@wakko.bitey.net] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:00 AM To: ammf@fruvous.com Subject: Re: Has Jian seen this? KatieWow wrote: : http://www.guster.com/news : Yes, corporate hegemony strikes again - and this time at our beloved : former-Früvous-openers Guster. What I wanna know is, why in God's name was Oldsmobile sponsoring a concert that'd be attended by mostly college kids? What college kid in their right mind would buy an Oldsmobile? (Besides the 80-year-old feature news story lady trying to finish her degree.) - - A.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:48:24 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Has Jian seen this? "Vokes, Laurie" wrote: > > Well I for one owned an Oldsmobile (and I loved that car)when I was > in college - and no, I'm not 80! I also knew of lot's of people who > drove Oldsmobiles when they were in college (or are now in college). > So that blows your theory all to hell! Heh. I drove an Olds in high school and college too! And it wasn't a fuddy car at all. Bright red with white pinstriping and a white vinyl half-top. Plus it had the stupidist seat design GM ever used: Bucket seats that *turned* (with great difficulty I might add) rather than flipped to allow access to the back seat. Trust me, an old person would have had a tough time with that car! A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:59:21 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: cute fru moment spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) wrote: > You have every right to state any opinion you may have whether > it's judgemental or rude or... anything. It is a fundamental and > inalienable right and PLEASE don't forget that! while i appreciate the sentiment, gella, you're missing my point. the point was separating opinion from fact; i'm tired of hearing people tell me that something i like is bad, and i don't think that we have the right to make that kind of judgment call about someone else's art [1]. you can tell me you hate it until you're blue in the face. that's fair. to proclaim it worthless is just plain wrong, unless you have some extrasensory insight into the entire human population. if it's worth something to someone, then it's worth something. period. peace, ellen - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:03:42 GMT From: akaishi@nospam.unity.unity.edu (Shiro Akaishi) Subject: Re: OT: Pokemon is Good (WAS: Re: What Phrase) on 30 Jul 2000, tripped over the cat and fell on the keyboard, generating the following: >Lol...No everyone does NOT have to love Jiggly Puff. Personally, I think >he looks like a cheap Kirby the little marshmallow puff thing from that >video game. Did I ever mention that I think Pokemon is a conspiracy? :) >The Japanese people are like mad cuz we always beat them at wars and >sports and stuff, so they figure they'll get us back subtly. Slowly >draining lots and lots and lots of money from us. My local radio station put together a little sketch based on just this subject. "We make toy more addictive than heroin for your small children! Ha! Ha! Ha!" >It's like the furbies, >man. There was a time when they were gonna take over the world. But >that's another story. My little brother spent $30 THIRTY DOLLARS on a >slightly larger than basketball sized pikachu stuffed animal. A few days >later I come home and there's one slightly larger than a softball. About >a week later I come home from school and there's 2 slightly larger than >superball sized ones. I was like Oh my God they're multiplying. It was >scary. The invasion began... Furby: Me love you! Person: I love you too Furby! Furby: Destroy the fleshy pink ones! Person: What??! Furby: Me love you! After my sister got one I always expectd to come through the door one day and find the darn thing building a battlesuit out of my stereo. - -- //\ ICQ: 26175196 (/__\ /). \. o/~ Look straight at the comming disaster, / Realize what you've lost... o/~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:20:12 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: cute fru moment Ellen wrote: > > spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) wrote: > > You have every right to state any opinion you may have whether > > it's judgemental or rude or... anything. It is a fundamental > and > > inalienable right and PLEASE don't forget that! > > while i appreciate the sentiment, gella, you're missing my point. > the point was separating opinion from fact; i'm tired of hearing > people tell me that something i like is bad, and i don't think > that we have the right to make that kind of judgment call about > someone else's art [1]. Heh Ellen, you forgot to put your footnote. Ok, here is my take in a nutshell. The world divides into two types of people: Those who feel comfortable understanding when someone voices an opinion, and those who are offended if a speaker does not make it plain that he or she is stating an opinion versus a "fact". Nobody is right or wrong in this. It is just two different ways of operating. Personally, I'm in the former camp. I don't require people to phrase things in ways that show the opinionate nature of what they are saying. If you tell me that Country music is the best genre there is. I will understand that as an opinion. No need to clarify. Similarly saying that I suck, or that Jian is god (frucontent) are also easily recognisable to me and do not require the words "I think" or "In my opinion" in front of them to make them clear. I don't require this distinction of others and I don't use it myself. You WILL hear me say X is the worst Y in the world, all the time. I am counting on you to be able to distinguish fact from opinion. I know there are many good and wonderful people (in my humble opinion) out there who take offense at that kind of phraseology, and I respect their opinions, but as I see it they are being kind of anal and I think that they are just going to have to learn to deal with the rest of us, because it seems to me that people can express opinions as facts if they wish, because those opinions may be as facts to them. That is my opinion anyway. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:12 -0500 From: Super Dave Subject: Re: cute fru moment On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Chris K @*_*@ wrote: >Where do you live Dave that they don't play Fruvous on the radio? I live in Houston, TX -- we definitely don't hear any Fruvous anywhere here. I go to school in St. Louis. It was in St. Louis that I first heard about Fruvous, but not from the radio. I'm in an an eclectic a cappella group, and we do several tunes from Moxy Fruvous. I fell in love with them as a result of this group. Otherwise, I still would never have heard about them, I think. It's gotten to the point where I do not listen to the radio anymore. Just plain sucks for the most part. >I can guarantee that I will hear them at least once a morning when my >clock radio goes off. (and it's usually "I will hold on" or "Half as >Much.") And no, I don't live anywhere where WXPN is. Is this a Canadian radio station? >Can you remember a time when you "didn't" hear BNL on the radio in the >early '90s, but in certain areas of the country (meaning the US, not >Canada) you did, and they were huge there? Hmmm...took them years before >they got that kind of exposure you're talking about. I still don't hear BNL that much on the radio. When I do, it's generally "If I had a Million Dollars" -- very little of their other really cool stuff makes it. Though at least they are somewhat in the big time. It just took them entirely too long to get there. I'm not saying it won't happen for Fruvous, but it's gonna take a long time. And that sucks. >> Fruvous doesn't have the big time >> producers to pay for airtime on the radio. > >Isn't that "Payola?" I thought that was illegal. As was alluded to in a different post, radio stations are indirectly paid. They get around the illegal stuff through the loopholes of the law. >Sure, it would be great for them to reach the big time - we don't just >want to keep them all to ourselves. ;) They've had national exposure >(Conan O'Brien), interviews in local papers and on TV and radio, etc., >when they tour and even appeared in Billboard magazine, Spin, and a >small blurb in People (among other articles - check out FDC for those). This really excites me. But, still, when I tell people I listen to Moxy Fruvous, they're like "Moxy what??" It takes much more than a few scant appearances and articles for a group to be recognized. >These articles were prior to BSB, n'sync and Britney - what's the >problem? But there were other groups like good 'ole Britney before Britney. It's a never-ending cycle. >Fruvous, to me, seems like they want to perform what "they" want to >perform and want to do it in their fashion, and not what the record >company has in mind. They are a band that's hard to market to just one >type of audience - and even when you attend a show, you can see the >range of ages there. It's not just kids/teenagers - but parents and >grandparents as well who enjoy their music and banter. >Now try to market *that*! ;D A group for all ages...how many times do see something like this? Seems like this could be a more marketable characteristic of the group. But, I guess, since they don't have "sex appeal" and all of their songs aren't about sex or living a shallow life, they aren't attractive enough to the general public. Just makes me angry. It seems like American society is not willing to expand their musical horizons. David - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We must love each other or die." --W. H. Auden "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." --Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 2000 00:09:59 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: Loser >>Theres a scene, where Mena Suvari leaves a little convienience store after applying for a job and walks right past Lee's Palace<< didn't catch that, but I did see the Sloan poster in the background in the drom room ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Wouldn't it be great if the band just never ended?" --Great Big Sea "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 2000 19:01:10 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Thank you Chad... exactly what I was thinking, but so much more eloquently put... :) :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "On the sixth day, God created | Veronica Gruneberg the platypus. And God said: let's | Dept. of Biology see the evolutionists try to figure | Queen's University this one out!!" | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:56:45 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions fruvy wrote: > > Gella wrote: > > > Incidentally, when I met him at Clearwater this year, he > semi-did that to me too. > *hmph* Incidentally, what does Jian owe you both that he didn't give you that you felt the appropriate response was to bring it to the newsgroup? I'm just curious. You both seem frustrated enough to publicize it. What were you expecting to get? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:27:59 GMT From: Jacey7@aol.com Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions <> > Hey it could have been worse! He *might* have FULLY blown you off because he was semi-with a woman. Wouldn't you have hated that more?< or even fully blown you off because he was with a semi-woman. But I don't think we want to perpetuate those rumors any more... ~jen ;-) - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."-- Rent Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:35:27 -0700 From: fruvy Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions um....how's this for an explanation? Jian's a friend of mine. And like any friend, I was only hoping for a warm goodbye and my posting was not out of frustration, but just to show some minor sympathy. Nuff said? *sally* - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:57:20 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions fruvy wrote: > > Gella wrote: > > > Incidentally, when I met him at Clearwater this year, he > semi-did that to me too. Hey it could have been worse! He *might* have FULLY blown you off because he was semi-with a woman. Wouldn't you have hated that more? A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 2000 18:18:25 GMT From: primecity@aol.com (Primecity) Subject: The Nields - Tour Schedule aug 2000 The Nields - August Tour Schedule Thursday, 8/03/00 Rosebud - Pittsburgh, PA Ticket Info: 412-261-2232 Showtime: 7:30pm Equation opens the show 21+ ***live radio WYEP 4:00pm Saturday, 8/05/00 Northalstead Market Days - Chicago, IL Ticket Info: 773-868-3010 Showtime: 5:30 Sunday, 8/6/00 Benefit Concert for the Ark (Duo) - Ann Arbor, MI Ticket Info: 734-761-1451 Showtime: TBD With Jerry Jeff Walker, Chris Smither and many other great artist Monday, 8/7/00 Celebrity Golf Scrabble - Ann Arbor, MI Info: 734-761-1451 OK, The Nields are really lousy golfers but it is for charity so come cheer them on! Tuesday, 8/8/00 Softball Game - Nields vs. WYCE Radio - Aberdeen Park, Grand Rapids, MI Please come see the Nields play softball. This is also a charity event so PLEASE BRING A CANNED OR NONPERISHABLE FOOD ITEM for "ACCESS" ***live radio WYCE 4:20pm Wednesday, 8/09/00 The BOB - Grand Rapids, MI (WYCE Presents) Ticket Info: 616-459-4788 Showtime: 8pm Thursday, 8/10/00 The Ark - Ann Arbor, MI Ticket Info: 734-761-1451 Showtime: 8pm Saturday, 8/12/00 Festival in the Pines - Northampton, MA Ticket Info: 413-586-8686 Showtime: gates open at noon with Cheryl Wheeler, John Gorka, Mellisa Ferrick and other fine folks Sunday, 8/13/00 North Atlantic Folk Festival - The Public Landing, Rockland, ME Ticket Info: 207-236-7660 Showtime: music all day Saturday, 8/19/00 Rocky Mountain Folks Festival - Lyons, CO Ticket Info: 303-624-2422 Showtime: Music All day This line up is AMAZING...Emmy Lou Harris, Nancy Griffith, Catie Curtis, Ben Demerath, Victoria Williams and many many more Friday, 8/25/00 - Saturday, 8/26/00 Philadelphia Folk Festival - Schwenksville, PA Don't miss the Bacon Brothers, Oscar Lopez and Patty Larkin on Friday Night as well. All shows are all ages and Full Band unless otherwise noted. Hope to see ya at the shows! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:13:52 GMT From: Rachel Subject: Re: Syracuse this Saturday Has someone posted about the show? I was there and I have access to a setlist and remember some of the banter, but my newsreader is acting a little funny and I don't want to post if it's already been posted all over. - -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebekkah Kerner Subject: Fruvous popularity Hi all! I'm new to this mailing list, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that's been said hundreds of times before... I kind of like it that Moxy Fruvous isn't super popular. I certainly wish that they would get more radio time... I know that there are a lot of people out there would be Fru heads if they only had the chance to experience their music. But to me, the fact that they haven't maken it as big as many other groups (at least in the states) reflects some very important strengths that the group has. The most important of which is that they're original. They're not packaged. All of those boy bands, Britney, etc., are not artists. As far as I know they have little or no control in any part of their image or performance. They are puppets. Groups like Fruvous are brilliant musicians, poets, and performers. They often (usually) touch upon non-shallow topics in their music. This is one of the reasons that their following is smaller. They're more than just surface. And they're more than just a fad. (Mmm... remembering back to 6th grade and New Kids on the Block obsessions. How silly I was.) Their popularity might not be as widespread, but it runs extremely deep. As to where I first heard of them... I never heard them on the radio. (well, except for my college radio station.) My sophomore year of college, I was hanging out in the room of a couple of new friends. They were playing some music in the background. When King of Spain came on, everybody except me broke into song and dance. I watched in awe, and have been Fruhead ever since. I can't tell you the number of people I know who went from ignorant high schoolers to Fruhead undergrads :-D - -Rebekkah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 2000 01:46:57 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Bottom Line - 7/26/2000 This was simply the best Fruvous show I've ever seen! Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 2000 02:31:16 GMT From: brassgrl70@aol.com (Brassgrl70) Subject: Re: cute fru moment Früvous seems is so anti-starbucks, anti MTV etc, that it wouldnt seem right for them to be so popular. I don't know if the masses are ready for such an ecelctic (spelling??) group. well just have to wait and see what happens in the future!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:33:02 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Fruvous as a media giants (was cute fru moment) I agree with that. It's kinda weird too, because usually people assume that bands and artist "sell out" if they make it big. Sometimes it's true and sometimes it's not. ::shrug:: I personally think that if Fruvous were ever to "make it big" it would be with the wackier, dancier songs. King of Spain is one that people who have heard of Fruvous but aren't really fans seem to know. And I bet if any slower or more intellectural songs or whatever were to become big they would be from Thornhill. I don't really know why I think this, maybe because it's the "more coherent" album. Just thoughts. - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:44:16 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Pokemon is Good (WAS: Re: What Phrase) Reading an interesting furby/person exchange and then Well, see here's my point..My point is...hehe, sorry. Well, as long as I started, let's see if I can do this like the Kasparov bit. Well, see here's my point. My point is..a stuffed animal, right? Nope, can't do it. Nevermind. But seriously. There's this stuffed animal and when you have more than one of them, they talk to each other in their own language. They talk to each other! That just has WORLD DOMINATION written all over it. - ------------> Ln, who needs several buttons saying ask me about...one of which needs to be Ask Me About My Conspiracies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:39:48 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Fruvous popularity Hi Rebekkah. Welcome to the newsgroup, which suddenly had a spurt of messages again. I've been on this ng for only like a year, and yeah the Fruvous popularity thing has been a topic before, but it's always interesting to hear other people's opinions. I guess I like Fruvous being not so well known for the fact that then I can make people listen to a band that they haven't heard. Instead of saying have you heard the new blah blah song? I can say have you ever heard of Moxy Fruvous? It's also a lot of fun to be able to go to smaller more intimate concerts (and cheaper ones! Broke h.s. student here!) But sometimes I wish they were more known. They deserve the success they have now, and in my opinion more. If they want more recognition, money, fans, or whatever or if they don't, I hope they get what they want. :) (And in hoping I get what I want...I hope I get to see them once this year so I can keep my once a year Fruconcert record going, lol.) - ------------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:03:26 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: cute fru moment Veronica J Gruneberg wrote: > Wait just a second here... BNL a one hit wonder? But > I thought... > Hmmm... news to me. But then, I'm in Canada, and their stuff is played > quite regularly... I thought the same thing and I'm not from Canada. (When did BNL become a one-hit wonder?) I mean the entire "Stunt" album has been overplayed. Or is that just in certain areas? But, remember in one post, Super Dave pointed out that he doesn't listen to the radio, so then how would he know if BNL is a one-hit wonder or not? > Hmmm... interesting. But the new single is cool - heard it > this morning, > and can't get it out of my head (stupid last song I heard > before I shut the radio off. Yeah it is! And have you downloaded their mp3 from barenaked.net? *laughs* Talk about a surprise. :D Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:47:57 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: cute fru moment "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > Veronica J Gruneberg wrote: > > > Wait just a second here... BNL a one hit wonder? But > > I thought... > > Hmmm... news to me. But then, I'm in Canada, and their > > stuff is played quite regularly... > I thought the same thing and I'm not from Canada. oh, PUHleeze. You're not from Canada by an accident of a couple of miles. > (When did BNL become a one-hit wonder?) > I mean the entire "Stunt" album has been overplayed. Or is that > just in certain areas? certain areas, I think. I only think that "One Week" was ever played on main-stream radio in general. Maybe some other songs on college radio. (But college radio != a hit.) > But, remember in one post, Super Dave pointed out that he > doesn't listen to the radio, so then how would he know if BNL > is a one-hit wonder or not? I listen to radio and I said it. :) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #322 ********************************************