From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #318 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, July 29 2000 Volume 04 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: What Phrase ["Beight" ] Re: new apparel? [Marie-Claude Danis ] Re: What Phrase [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: What Phrase [ACW ] Re: What Phrase [LilacGirl1002@aol.com] Re: What Phrase [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: OT Moxie on CBS Sunday Morning [akaishi@nospam.unity.unity.edu (Shiro] Re: What Phrase ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: cute fru moment [Richard Butterworth ] Re: Fruvous [Emma Young ] [Fwd: Fruvous] [Emma Young ] Re: cute fru moment [Nancy Wood ] Syracuse show tonight ["remove # after the @ to reply" ] Re: cute fru moment [Cameron Ross ] Re: What Phrase [lawrence solomon ] Re: [Fwd: cute fru moment] [Paul Mischler ] dodgy mails [Emma Young ] Re: What Phrase [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: cute fru moment [leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender)] Re: cute fru moment [Katherine Maheux ] Re: cute fru moment [Katherine Maheux ] Re: What Phrase [chad schrock ] Re: What Phrase [chad schrock ] Re: cute fru moment ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: FRFF afterthoughts ["A.J. LoCicero" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:58:44 -0700 From: "Beight" Subject: Re: What Phrase > I bet if I made a mix tape of nothing but dance tunes that would > be akin to chinese water torture.. or better yet, you could force > someone to listen to the del rubio triplets.. mu ha ha ha ha... ow. bill. you make pain. *please* dont mention the del rubio triplets! someone got me intrigued.. for about a second.. untill i heard thier version of "whip it".. horrible pain, awful pain.. i think you broke me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:22:28 GMT From: Marie-Claude Danis Subject: Re: new apparel? > A couple months ago, before the C album was released, Tobey mentioned something > about having "C" shirts or ballcaps. We're heading out to the Vermont show on > Sunday and I was wondering if anyone saw a show were they had some of the new > merchandise? > Im hoping they do! The original "C" merchandise included blue "C" shirts and yellow "C" shirts, in all sizes. Most of it sold out, leaving only yellow ones in medium. mcee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:30:24 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: What Phrase Um..well..I kinda like When She Talks. Not always, but sometimes it's just..nice. I like to listen to it. It makes me think of some weird stuff that's gone on around here. But as for things I can't stand...I'd say Britney, but my little sister and my best guy friend listen to her all the time so I'm immune to it or I give in, one or the other. I cringe at the Pokemon theme song! Does that count? - -----------> Ln, off to watch one of her favorite movies ::sheepish:: mallrats..cant help it. love it. :) and then maybe dogma. love that too. kevin smith man. the guy rocks. plus jason lee is in both of those movies and i love him too. too bad he's like 30 and i'm like 16. hehe..i need sleep. but i cant sleep. hence the movies. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:04:11 GMT From: ACW Subject: Re: What Phrase In article <3981A794.707ADE8E@yahoo.com>, Katherine Maheux wrote: > Ellen wrote: > > ah, this thread has gone exactly where i hoped it would. > > > > so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe? > OK. People, try to top this. Is there ANY lyric in the world more > brain-numbingly moronic than... > > "I want you to want me... I need you to need me... I'd love you to love me..." How about "Baby I'm-a want you... baby I'm-a need you"? I think Dave Barry compiled a book about offensively stupid lyrics, and I used to live in a house that had a copy, but no more. Oh, and there was this one awful song in the 70s about this person who had some terrible, not to mention terribly fatal, disease at the end. The final chorus went something like this: Baby I've never had to die before I don't think that I can do it But if you hold my hand a while I think I might get through it What.Ever. Y'all have to realize that I'm tortured by the memory of this song. Then there's the Paul Anka and somebody else duet classic Having My Baby, which contains the inimitable "I'm a woman in love and I love what you're doing to me." I don't *even* want to think about that. I don't think there are any Fruvous songs that approach the cringeworthiness of these I've cited here... - --Amanda, "You can get yourself clean. You can have a good meal. You can do whatever you feeeeeeel!" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:45:47 EDT From: LilacGirl1002@aol.com Subject: Re: What Phrase In a message dated 7/28/2000 12:55:08 PM Central Daylight Time, nafs@backstreetboys.com writes: << Of course maybe I'm just an anal English major. Nafs teehee. i want to scream in terror every time I hear Jude sing "I wish that I was Brad and Suzy." Eep. The subjunctive tense. Must use subjuctive tense. betsy ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 2000 06:57:25 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: What Phrase >>so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe?<< ok, if we're going for fruvous lyrics, this just drives me insane: You know that it's true When I've held you There are no secrets where is the grammar in this-- can we pick a tense please?? Even if it was "there *were* no secrets," it'd be better... but "are"? yeah I know-- poetic license, yadda yadda yadda. whatever ;-) also: when she talks, I listen. It's like, "what goes up, must come down." You can see the second half of that phrase coming from a mile away. And the thing is, I really like the rest of the song, i just can't seem to get past that line. as for nonfruvous... there are probably so many that I've blocked out, out of sheer self preservation, but I've always been irked by: if you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Wouldn't it be great if the band just never ended?" --Great Big Sea "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:43:29 GMT From: akaishi@nospam.unity.unity.edu (Shiro Akaishi) Subject: Re: OT Moxie on CBS Sunday Morning on 28 Jul 2000, Trace tripped over the cat and fell on the keyboard, generating the following: >Submitted for your amusement. > >From CBS Sunday Morning Website for show airing July 30th. > >>Lisbon Falls, Maine, is the epicenter of Moxie, a soft drink first >> marketed in 1876 to cure everything from paralysis to softening of >>the brain to loss of manhood, imbecility and helplessness. It's still >> chugged religiously in many parts of New England. > >So very close, and yet still so far away.... Moxie makes Mainers mighty. :) It's also rumored to be corrosively dangerous for non-new englanders to drink. - -- //\ ICQ: 26175196 (/__\ /). \. o/~ Look straight at the comming disaster, / Realize what you've lost... o/~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:53:44 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: What Phrase Ellen wrote: > so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe? Well in terms of fruvous, the worst one is "a man should no be blamed for wanting to make her mine." I mean Jesus Ji, can't you even get your persons right? Why the hell would "A Man" want to make her yours anyway? Is she that bad? Does he hate you that much? :) Also "But you can't define the girl, she's her, and I would never try". Um Ok. I confess that I really don't care for WST, but I guess you knew that already eh? :) A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:51:10 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: cute fru moment Super Dave wrote: > Well, I know that a person who has written a song has a much stronger > connection to the song then a person who just sings one. I'm in a > collegiate a cappella group, and I do admit that that I do develop > attachments to many of the cover songs we sing (we've arranged them, but > not written them), but I can't imagine my having as great an attraction to > those songs then the original writers of those songs. Well, far be it for me to stand in the middle of a discussion with Ellen and wild Billiam as protagonists, for I risk being beaten into a mushy pulp. But I have to disagree here. Most of the music I listen to (trad folk and classical) is not performed by the writers. The idea that song writers should also perform the music they write is rather a modern, western pecularity. Quite frankly the most *appalling* version of Tamborine Man I've ever heard was done by the Big BD man himself. Not just because he can't sing, his band murdered the arrangement of it too. Classical musicians have an understanding and love for beautiful music that would put most, if not all, pop musicians to utter shame, and they cannot string two notes together as a composition. > Maybe the Backstreet Boys, et al > do have some connection to the music they sing. That connection may > involve dollar signs. So what? If that music brings pleasure to many people (and it does) then that's the important thing. Why do we have to question the motivation? What is the motivation for most bands? Love for the music? Perhaps. But also the desire to stand on a stage and have rather a lot of people you'd like to sleep with stare at you. I think that motivates rather more musicians than we (or they) would like to admit to. And why is that motivation any less respectable than the desire to make a heap of cash? Yours with questions, qustions, questions, etc, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:01:32 +0100 From: Emma Young Subject: (no subject) How about Danger Danger's 'slipped her the big one' please don't tell me you'd like the lyrics too!!! Emma Katherine Maheux wrote: Ellen wrote: > ah, this thread has gone exactly where i hoped it would. > > so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:47:55 +0100 From: Emma Young Subject: Re: Fruvous I'm in Grimsby -near Hull and Lincoln. I'd be eternally grateful to you if you could do some copies as I said I only have Barginville. I have plenty of blank tapes if you want to me to send you some? Emma Frances Fox wrote: > Emma, where in the UK do you live? I live in Suffolk, & am delighted > there's another Fruvous fan over here. If you want, I could make you > some copies of cds on tape (but it'll have to be when I next go down to > london as my parents don't have tape recording facilities. > > Frances ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:02:24 +0100 From: Emma Young Subject: [Fwd: Fruvous] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------72EB08058D93679E906E8E72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------72EB08058D93679E906E8E72 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3982D27B.AEEF3AAF@diamond.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:47:55 +0100 From: Emma Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ammf@fruvous.com" Subject: Re: Fruvous References: <3981F002.8ACD9376@appleonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in Grimsby -near Hull and Lincoln. I'd be eternally grateful to you if you could do some copies as I said I only have Barginville. I have plenty of blank tapes if you want to me to send you some? Emma Frances Fox wrote: > Emma, where in the UK do you live? I live in Suffolk, & am delighted > there's another Fruvous fan over here. If you want, I could make you > some copies of cds on tape (but it'll have to be when I next go down to > london as my parents don't have tape recording facilities. > > Frances - --------------72EB08058D93679E906E8E72-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:11:39 GMT From: Nancy Wood Subject: Re: cute fru moment Richard Butterworth wrote: > But I have to disagree here. Most of the music I listen to (trad folk and > classical) is not performed by the writers. The idea that song writers should > also perform the music they write is rather a modern, western pecularity. Quite > frankly the most *appalling* version of Tamborine Man I've ever heard was done > by the Big BD man himself. Not just because he can't sing, his band murdered > the arrangement of it too. Classical musicians have an understanding and love > for beautiful music that would put most, if not all, pop musicians to utter > shame, and they cannot string two notes together as a composition. It seems to me that the whole point in composing music is to create something that other people *can* connect to. The more the connection, the better/more successful the song. None of us would suggest Früvous isn't totally connected to Psycho Killer when they're performing it. A lot of GBS tunes are modern re-workings of old sea shanties. The list is endless, but the point is that often a cover is the highest compliment an artist can give - it means the composer wrote a song that another artist can connect to enough that they want to perform it. Richard is right about this notion of performing the music you write being a modern peculiarity, in the 40's, 50's, and 60's it was much more common (or at least more obvious) to have people who wrote songs selling them to people who recorded and performed them. ~Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:30:14 GMT From: "remove # after the @ to reply" Subject: Syracuse show tonight Hello All, I am seeing conflicting info on the show start time. Does anyone know what the correct times for the following: * doors * opener (and who it is) * Moxy Thanks much! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Ross Subject: Re: cute fru moment Wow, I wonder how many new people are just starting on the list and thinking that this lovely conversation is a Cute fru moment... I would hate to see an ugly fru-moment :) Life101 - Stop. Repeating. The. Same. Points. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Ross Subject: Re: cute fru moment > >>thumb wrestle? > > > >i'll have to warn you that i was trained by a > master. these > >thumbs are registered with the CIA. > > Wah! you want to fight me?! I crush you like > grape! I hate to inform you Bill, but you're not allowed to use your feet in Thumb wrestles... Although, I am personally prone to the sneak attack method of winning. Life101 - Unofficial Ref __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:55:18 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: What Phrase Jacey7 wrote: > You know that it's true > When I've held you > There are no secrets > > where is the grammar in this-- can we pick a tense please?? Even if it was > "there *were* no secrets," it'd be better... but "are"? yeah I know-- poetic > license, yadda yadda yadda. whatever ;-) I think it works, actually. When you put it in context with the rest of the song (future, present, mixed, past) it makes perfect sense - it's that sense of confusion at the point in the relationship where neither person really knows what to expect, but the narrator *wants* something specific. As in, there still are no secrets, they're just not holding each other anymore. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "And I don't know whether I believe in me, but I still believe in my friends." -The Nields ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:42:13 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: [Fwd: cute fru moment] Emma... PLease don't post in HTML code to a.m.m-f. There are a bunch of people whose newsreaders and mailreaders can't decipher the HTML, and your post looks like a bunch of garbled goop. Also, you should try to "reply" to messages, and not "forward" them back to the group. Here's our FAQ for this group: http://www.fruvous.com/faq.html Thanks! - -Paul Mischler Emma Young wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: cute fru moment > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:52:07 +0100 > From: Emma Young > To: "ammf@fruvous.com" > > But remember 90% are probably teenagers and they grow out of it. For > example I used to like Bros. andNKOTB, before I got taste!!! > Me > > Ha.. but you see, furious does play its own instruments and > writes its own songs. Now if furious didn't do that, if all they > did was do cover tunes and had to have someone program their > movements, I would have to say they would land the crap bucket > with their counterparts. Of course we could then go into the > slippery slope of people like Michael Craw ford who have albums of > songs from musicals or John Test who happens to play music and > write songs (I think). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:39:09 +0100 From: Emma Young Subject: dodgy mails Hi Is anyone having a problem reading some of my mails? They're supposed to be sent both in HTML and normal text, but I've been told that they're not coming through to some people. Emma ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 2000 16:03:34 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: What Phrase One that always drove my mom crazy was from "Touch Me in the Morning" by Diana Ross where she sings "Wasn't it me who said ... " And my husband just contributed "Why do I find it hard to write the next line" from "True," the ultimate cop-out when a lyricist can't find a line. I must think for awhile and then write in my answers to faves and cringers. QL ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 2000 16:54:57 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: cute fru moment >As the resident Weird Al fan, I must ask you to try the Twinkie as the hot >dog bun. Trust me, they are two great tastes that taste great together. :-) "Look Bob! A Twinkie weiner sandwich!" But don't you need cheese whiz for that? - -Bender - ---------------------------------- Life is like a box of chocolates... unless the box has one of those map things in it so you know which ones are caramel and which aren't. - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:14:10 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: cute fru moment wildbill wrote: > uh huh.. although I've always liked Santana more for the > percussion than the guitar riffs (although he is a guitar god). > I guess I just like a good latin beat every once in awhile. Except when it's a whole Lou Bega album played twice while we're bowling at 3 AM, right Bill? "Which Mambo are we up to now? 8? 9?" Kath ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:44 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: cute fru moment wildbill wrote: Of course we could then go into the > slippery slope of people like Michael Crawford who have albums of > songs from musicals or John Tesh who happens to play music and > write songs (I think). Ah, but having played some of John Tesh's compositions in various bands over the years, I can tell you that I was surprised at how complex and beautiful they were. I mean, who really expected the man who has a face like Stretch Armstrong(tm) to come up with anything past Happy Birthday? The thing about John Tesh is that most people have never really bothered to hear his music, so they really don't know what they're talking about anyway, they just like to make fun of him because he's tacky. Which is a perfectly good reason to make fun of someone ;) Kath ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:31:30 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: What Phrase LilacGirl1002@aol.com wrote: > nafs@backstreetboys.com writes: > > << > Of course maybe I'm just an anal English major. > > Nafs > > teehee. i want to scream in terror every time I hear Jude sing You could have just stopped here. > "I wish that I was Brad and Suzy." Talk about gender identity issues, but I digress.... Is there anyone here that will own up to *liking* Jude? (And no, not the cool Jude that used to work at MFHQ.) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:28:36 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: What Phrase "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > Adam Hartfield wrote: > > >wildbill wrote: > > > > > > I know that I will probably be beating a dead horse with this, > > > but the entire song of "when she talks" makes me cringe . When > > > I'm playing thornhil, I start to shake violently when this song > > > comes on and don't stop doing so until I have hit the forward > > > button. > > > > I find that singing along as Big Bird or Kermit The Frog helps > > me to tolerate the song. > > Do you have an mp3 of this before Napster shuts down tonight > to share with us? I would *love* to hear you sing Adam. Maybe > you can perform it at a Folk Festival some day. > Now *that* would be "on the edge." ;D It will be on the edge all right... But, wouldn't it totally ruin the Muppets for you? It would for me. - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:36:12 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: cute fru moment Katherine Maheux wrote: > Except when it's a whole Lou Bega album played twice while > we're bowling > at 3 AM, right Bill? "Which Mambo are we up to now? 8? 9?" So at a Chinese Restaurant you do the "Combo No. 5?"[1] ;D Christine. [1] Ahhh, Napster, gotta love it! :D *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:18:08 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: FRFF afterthoughts Lori Martin wrote: > As for the Gospel Wake Up Hour, this workshp[ had me *really* > alarmed. Anticipation of Blow Wind Blow ... and Fruvous adding > themselves to that estimable list of banned-from-FRFF artists ... Please note if you will that Fruvous went LAST in the Gospel Wake-up. I can't help but think that this was strategically planned so that they didn't have to do TWO gospel songs. Maybe now I'm being harsh. If they want to claim otherwise I'll believe them, but that is how it struck me at the time. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #318 ********************************************