From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #315 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, July 28 2000 Volume 04 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) ["Vokes, Laurie" ] Re: What Phrase [wildbill ] Re: new apparel? [Ellen ] Re: What Phrase ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: Sahara (was: GBS) ["Daancing Queen" ] Re: cute fru moment- OT and apologetic [Nancy Wood ] Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date [Lori Martin ] Re: cute fru moment [Ellen ] OT Moxie on CBS Sunday Morning [trace@fruhead.com (Trace)] Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date [Ellen ] Re: cute fru moment [Ellen ] Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: cute fru moment [Nafs ] Re: cute fru moment [Nafs ] Re: cute fru moment [wildbill ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:49:35 -0500 From: "Vokes, Laurie" Subject: RE: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) You forgot Peter Lawford! - -----Original Message----- From: Chad Maloney [mailto:Chad@fruvous.com] The Rat Pack was Frank Sinatra, Joey Bishop, Sammy Davis Jr, and Dean Martin. They pretty much were the kings of Vegas at the time and wherever they went was the hip place. They lived decadent lives and that was the in thing at that time, what everyone tried to do. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:54:08 -0700 From: wildbill Subject: Re: What Phrase I know that I will probably be beating a dead horse with this, but the entire song of "when she talks" makes me cringe . When I'm playing thornhil, I start to shake violently when this song comes on and don't stop doing so until I have hit the forward button. Hmmmm.. other lyrics that make me cringe.... I think veronica took the blue song, which is quite a happy song, but come one "a blue house with a blue window.. etc etc.." the entire song of "what is love" even though I find it insufferably happy and can't resist doing the SNL head bob. damn.. I can't think of anything... I just get annoyed about songs written (or sung) by 10 y/os about heart ache or being physical and thinking "what the hell would these people know about that?". "wild" Bill (open cage, insert brain) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:35:20 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: new apparel? lunab1219@aol.com (LunaB1219) wrote: > I was wondering if anyone saw a show were they had some of the > new merchandise? i have one of the new "C" shirts, which i like a lot. they come in a mustardy yellow and a dark slate blue. i have the blue one. they just have a great big "C" on the front, and "Moxy Fruvous" across the back. oh, and they're ringers-- i.e. the trim at the neck and the sleeves is a darker contrasting shade. there seem to be new tank tops too, if you're a teeny weeny thing and can fit into them. didn't notice any new hats, but then i'm not really a hat person, so i wasn't looking for them. all of this info is contingent on there being any of this stuff left. at falcon ridge, pickings were kind of slim. by the way, what's up with this "shrink our name to initials and stick them inside an oval" thing? first fruvous did it, now EFO. peace, ellen - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:16:14 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: What Phrase "wildbill" wrote in message news:<027e3cf9.48c37df3@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>... > I know that I will probably be beating a dead horse with this, > but the entire song of "when she talks" makes me cringe . When > I'm playing thornhil, I start to shake violently when this song > comes on and don't stop doing so until I have hit the forward > button. I find that singing along as Big Bird or Kermit The Frog helps me to tolerate the song. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:21:51 EDT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: Sahara (was: GBS) >From: Chad Maloney >The Sahara is a major Vegas hotel which housed a lot of stars and had a lot >of top acts in the 50's and 60's. Big names stayed there at the Huh. So it's not a dessert, eh? Or a desert even. :) (no, really, I thought the song was about the desert...) >The Rat Pack was Frank Sinatra, Joey Bishop, Sammy Davis Jr, and >Dean Martin. They pretty much were the kings of Vegas at the time And the Brat Pack was Molly Ringwald, Emilio Estevez, Anthony Michael Hall, Rob Lowe, Andrew McCarthy, Demi Moore, Judd Nelson, Ally Sheedy, and Mare Winningham. :) >Make more sense yet? Yes Chad, you do speak sense (for once). I thank you from the bottom of my soul for showing me the way. :p Sara ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:24:03 GMT From: Nancy Wood Subject: Re: cute fru moment- OT and apologetic Daancing Queen wrote: > Yes, there is definately some music that is not for kids (Bloodhound Gand > and Eminem come to mind) but then again, my original argument was not > whether or not this type of music was suitable for children, but that the > fact that people should really not put down other people's music. Oh my, I hope my reply to Lisa didn't suggest distain for anyone's personal tastes, I'm sensing a downward spiral. My problem is when the neighbor kids put down Maddie's tastes because they don't match the 5-10 year olds' current (market driven) trends. I mean, I know she adores Fruvous, so the fact that she absolutely refuses to wear her shirt for fear of ostracism makes me pretty sad. I thought they didn't start that till a bit later in life - I know I didn't, but I was more sheltered :-). Whatever music she's into I pretty much indulge, and I generally respect anybody's musical tastes. In fact, when the kids are over here playing their stuff I listen politely and make a huge point out of not making a bad face or saying anything derogatory in front of them because I want to set a good example of being open-minded. In truth, I listen to things that might *horrify* many of you, or put you to sleep! ~Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:50:12 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: What Phrase Adam wrote: Lol, I haven't done that, but I can hear it in the Kermit voice and it's pretty amusing. Now I'm gonna sit here and be thinking of the song in different voices. Magellan from Eureka's Castle. Inspector Gadget. The Peculiar Purple Pie Man of Porcupine Peak. Rainbow Brite. Enough. I think I need sleep again. - ---------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:41:13 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: Alternatives to NAPSTER(R) 95762149 > Bare with us, as it is new and help spread the word! DAMN! That nefarious Chad/Ellen/Albert Snooks person evidently is running a nudist colony too! As if the ducky scam weren't enough! You can't trust anyone anymore, can you? - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html Moxy Früvous House Party pictures/reviews: http://members.aol.com/faeriefru/houseparty.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:52:32 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: What Phrase Nafs said: > As time goes by you will get to know me a little more better was the all-time cringe-worthy lyric, just cos it's bad English. No. No no no. This one from Sheena Easton is flawless grammatically, but far far more mind-numbing: My baby takes the morning train He works from nine to five again He takes another home again To find me waiting for him. The *ultimate* hideous earworm. Trust me. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ~~~~~~~~~ really pissed off, because until that one I had some *good* earworms going... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:56:57 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date The feminine side of Albert Snooks snarked at the masculine side: > > It was > > like my prayers were answered! Thank you hbnblk@civnxvhcfm.net! > Chad, stop making the spam fun. that's not what it's there for. No, that's what Chad's here for. And am I ever glad he's back. Richard, too. > ellen (and i don't even get the original spam message, just > Chad's replies. which makes it ever better) I didn't get it either. weird, that. I s'pose it only went to the boy types on the list? How do you think they DO that? I wonder ... /clueless. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:19:53 -0700 From: wildbill Subject: Re: cute fru moment >Yes, there is definately some music that is not for kids >(Bloodhound Gand and Eminem come to mind) but then again, my >original argument was not whether or not this type of music >was suitable for children, but that the fact that people >should really not put down other people's music. Why not? Brittany Spears, the Spice Girls, name your favorite boy "band" are synthized pop crap and deserve to pointed out as such. They're the twinkies and hot dogs of music. Sure, everyone loves a twinkie and hot dog from time to time, but in general they're just shit (made more tolerable with tequilla and mike's hard cranberry). They don't write their own music and they don't write their own lyrics, they don't play instraments. They're a singing dancing chorus (all of a sudden the fight club quote "we're the all singing all dancing crap of the world" comes to mind). Its just further proof that if you repeat something on the radio long enough people will actually grow accustomed to it (like Matchbox 20 except I have more respect for them since they actually play instraments and write their own songs). People who really like Brittany Spears or whatever, all the more power to you. Doesn't mean that I am going to respect them or the "music" they produce. "wild" Bill (I know, I know, tell me how you really feel) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:15:50 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: cute fru moment i really wish remarq would let me changed the subject of a post when replying, b/c this obviously isn't about cute "frumoments" anymore. but anyway. i am of the opinion that it is really no one's right to decide that someone else's music "sucks." i don't even listen to veteran music critics. it's all about the eye (ear) of the beholder, i think. if someone finds beauty/value in it, it's not my right to say it's bad or worthless. it is my right to say that it's not my thing, or that i don't like it. i don't like britney spears, or the spice girls, or any of the Boy Bands around at the moment. but you won't hear me say that they suck. it's not my right to decide that. that said-- i get an interesting perspective on this type of teen- fluff-pop having two pre-teen nieces. generally speaking, they don't really understand or think about the implications of what they're singing along with. by the time they do, a lot of them will be listening to stuff like The Cure [1] and wearing a lot of black. ;) in any case, their radio is certainly not the only place they're going to encounter messages like, "oops, i did it again" or "if you wanna be my lover." they're going to see it on TV and in movies and videos and they're going to watch their classmates do it. and the strongest influence is not going to be that they heard someone sing about it. it's going to be what they see the people around them doing. i.e. their family and friends. remember when ozzy osborne and judas priest were being blamed by frantic parents because their kids commited suicide while listening to their music? they were no more to blame for those deaths than britney spears will be when young girls play with the hearts of the people around them. it happens, and it always will, and the fact that those kids were listening to ozzy just means that they found it soothing to know that someone, somewhere, understood. i was surprised to learn that my sister (mother of a pre-teen) actually finds something to appreciate about the Spice Girls-- their whole Girl Power schtick *is* a good message. also, their horrifying wardrobes aside, they're all kind of average-looking women. it's probably a good thing for most little girls to see that you don't have to be model-gorgeous to be a "supahstah." needless to say, i try very hard to do like our own Queen Lisa of Montgomery County and educate the girls in the music *i* like. ;) both of my nieces own copies of "b." peace, ellen [1] well, it was The Cure when i was in high school. what's the 00's equivalent to the cure, anyway? - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:11:00 GMT From: trace@fruhead.com (Trace) Subject: OT Moxie on CBS Sunday Morning Submitted for your amusement. From CBS Sunday Morning Website for show airing July 30th. >Lisbon Falls, Maine, is the epicenter of Moxie, a soft drink first > marketed in 1876 to cure everything from paralysis to softening of >the brain to loss of manhood, imbecility and helplessness. It's still >chugged religiously in many parts of New England. So very close, and yet still so far away.... - -- Trace trace at fruhead dot com Maybe we're just looking at a funhouse mirror and loving our reflections ~MPG~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:08:05 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date Lori Martin wrote: >I didn't get it either. weird, that. I s'pose it only went to >the boy types on the list? > >How do you think they DO that? I wonder ... > >/clueless. here, have a clue. tastes like mock goat. it's your spam-filtering software, dear. i didn't see it because remarq caught it before it ever reached my happy little mac. i suspect AOL has something similar to protect your happy little machine. peace, ellen - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:18:24 -0500 From: Super Dave Subject: Re: cute fru moment On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Ellen wrote: >> They don't write their own music and >>they don't write their own lyrics, they don't play instraments. > >just out of curiosity, then... > >one of the things most of us seem to like about fruvous is their >ability to harmonize. i think many of us would agree that their >strongest instruments are their voices. why is it still cool >when >fruvous does an a capella number that they didn't write, but not >cool for someone else to sing and not play an instrument? There is a very straightforward answer to this. Because that isn't ALL that fruvous does. 90% of what fruvous does is totally fruvous written. Besides the covers that fruvous does generally bring a totally new dimension to those songs -- they bring quirkiness or fudge lyrics a little. Fruvous can be very original even on covers. And their a cappella songs are phenomenal. Backstreet Boys et al., don't write any of their own music, they don't play any instruments, and they have no connection to their music whatsoever. They get paid to perform (notice that I didn't say sing) -- they are performers, nothing else. Fruvous are musicians. I will never respect a group that has been manufactured. And I will never respect a group that is together not for music's sake, but only for profit. It's fuckin' ridiculous and I will not stand for that crap. There are just too many real musicians that have yet to be discovered and are not being played on the radio because they don't have big shot producers who can afford to pay radio stations to put their crap on the air waves. David - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We must love each other or die." --W. H. Auden "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." --Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:00:29 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: cute fru moment wildbill wrote: >Why not? Brittany Spears, the Spice Girls, name your favorite >boy "band" are synthized pop crap and deserve to pointed out as >such. ok, here is why i don't agree with you. for about 13 years, i've been listening to people snicker at the fact that the grateful dead is one of my favorite bands. i've heard the old, "What did the deadhead say when the drugs wore off?" joke [1] about 80 billion times. the fact that they don't appreciate long improvisational jams does not mean that those jams are not well- executed. or that they are not worth listening to. i also have a good friend whose taste in music is similar to mine, with one notable exception-- he hates fruvous. so for years, we banded together whenever someone made fun of the dead or other jambands, and said, "how is it your right to decide that your music is better than mine? i think yours is crap, too. does that make it crap?" until i got into fruvous. then suddenly, he was snickering at me too. so i got into it with him one time and said, "you know, for years, we've both been telling people that they have no right to declare the Dead crap when clearly they have touched the lives of (and been beloved by) thousands of people for 30-some years now. that just because THEY don't like it doesn't make it bad. why is this any different? you of all people should understand why it pisses me off when you say fruvous sucks." well, i can't say i made the world a better place with that diatribe, but at least he knows better than to talk shit about fruvous in my presence anymore. > They don't write their own music and >they don't write their own lyrics, they don't play instraments. just out of curiosity, then... one of the things most of us seem to like about fruvous is their ability to harmonize. i think many of us would agree that their strongest instruments are their voices. why is it still cool when fruvous does an a capella number that they didn't write, but not cool for someone else to sing and not play an instrument? peace, ellen (friday afternoon= time to stir up some trouble) [1] answer: "man. this music sucks!" - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:53:54 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date Hmm...being a girl type, I didn't get the spam thing either. But I'm amused anyway, Chad you're a riot. I did get Hot young girls on their knees take it deep, but I guess that was sent to my own email address not a newsgroup. It's this damn aohell again. I get more porn spam here. Grr. - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:56:11 -0400 From: Nafs Subject: Re: cute fru moment Ellen wrote: > one of the things most of us seem to like about fruvous is their > ability to harmonize. i think many of us would agree that their > strongest instruments are their voices. why is it still cool > when fruvous does an a capella number that they didn't write, but not > cool for someone else to sing and not play an instrument? This argument has always amused the hell out of me. Especially since there is a world full of a cappella groups who perform every genre under the sun, covers and not. To me, a vocal talent is still a vocal talent. And I've heard singer-songwriters that make me cringe, vocally.. why should their otherwise great songs be barred from being heard just because they don't have very good voices? Nafs - ------ Frucon 3: brought to you by Poverty! Because sometimes, you just can't afford to laminate things! - Kath http://frucon.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:52:08 -0400 From: Nafs Subject: Re: cute fru moment Super Dave wrote: > Backstreet Boys et al., don't > write any of their own music, they don't play any instruments, and they > have no connection to their music whatsoever. They get paid to perform > (notice that I didn't say sing) -- they are performers, nothing else. That's a huge judgement call. To claim that an artist (and yes I am going to apply 'artist' to "Backstreet Boys et al.") has no connection to their music is... I'm sorry but have you developed telepathy? > I will never respect a group that has been manufactured. I don't believe anyone's asking you to do that. Simply asking you to refrain from deriding people who choose to listen to music you don't happen to appreciate. I was reading an article from the Arizona Daily Wildcat the other day that has something to do with this subject http://www.backstreet.net/bulletin/bulletin1770.html Nafs - ------ Frucon 3: brought to you by Poverty! Because sometimes, you just can't afford to laminate things! - Kath http://frucon.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:56:06 -0700 From: wildbill Subject: Re: cute fru moment Okay, here is where I am going to clarify... I have the right to my own opinion. I think Brittany Spears and their dervitatives are crap. Plain and simple. I will probably believe that until the cows come home (*and anyone in the know, knows that the cows reside in Erie, PA*). Whether or not you believe that is completely irrelevant to me. As long as I'm not stopping you from listening to Brittany Spears, there shouldn't be an issue. >i also have a good friend whose taste in music is similar to >mine, >with one notable exception-- he hates fruvous. so for years, we >banded together whenever someone made fun of the dead or other >jambands, and said, "how is it your right to decide that your >music is better than mine? i think yours is crap, too. does that >make it crap?" until i got into fruvous. then suddenly, he was >snickering at me too. My point exactly. You might think that someone else's music is crap and dismiss it as such. You might hate fruvous. All the more power to you. I'm not going to stop listening to fruvous because you think its crap or not. I think only the people who are easilly swayed actually give a shit about someone else's opinion (unless its someone who they actually trust giving it to them). Sure its an ego blow when someone you like doesn't like your music, but thats life, everyone's tastes are different. But I'm not going to refrain from having my opinion because it makes a few people uncomfortable. Of course, if I were trying to sway someone into listening to my music, I wouldn't start off by telling them that the music they listen to is crap. [ snipity snip snip ] You enjoy the Dead, great. I don't. A lot of people do, great. Just because it is a movement that a lot of people have gotten into doesn't mean that it has to be so for me. I don't enjoy their music, I can understand why some people do (and on occasion I actually get in the mood to listen to 20 minute jams, but then I usually listen to pink floyd). You think their music is great, I think their music is bad. Its kind of what makes me, me and you, you; differences in opinions. There are so many things that I have started listening to just because I KNEW people didn't like it. Some of these experiences have been bad, others I have found things that I didn't expect. >well, i can't say i made the world a better place with that >diatribe, but at least he knows better than to talk shit about >fruvous in my presence anymore. exactly, you said I don't appreciate your opinion on the subject and lets drop it. i.e. lets agree to disagree. >> They don't write their own music and >>they don't write their own lyrics, they don't play instraments. > >just out of curiosity, then... > >one of the things most of us seem to like about fruvous is their >ability to harmonize. i think many of us would agree that their >strongest instruments are their voices. why is it still cool >when >fruvous does an a capella number that they didn't write, but not >cool for someone else to sing and not play an instrument? Ahhh.. but you see, fruvous does play its own instraments and writes its own songs. Now if fruvous didn't do that, if all they did was do cover tunes and had to have someone program their movements, I would have to say they would land the crap bucket with their counterparts. Of course we could then go into the slippery slope of people like Michael Crawford who have albums of songs from musicals or John Tesh who happens to play music and write songs (I think). I think I can sum it up like this (who said I couldn't be long winded): All music has quality to it. All music is valuable. What makes it crap is my opinion of it. This is my opinion. Whether or not I wish to share that opinion or whether or not you wish me not to share it, is a separate issue entirely. "wild" Bill (opinions are like noses, everyone has one.. and some unlucky people have two) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. 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