From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #216 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, May 11 2000 Volume 04 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Americanism again [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] Lupo's [CLeast18@aol.com] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [Ellen A Handbasket ] Re: (Mostly OT) Dealing with people (warning: angry and irrational) [Elle] re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [Lori Martin ] Setlists (was Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00) [Melanie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 May 2000 20:41:58 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: Americanism again >First of all, you’re "reading between the lines" skills seem to >be much better developed than your actual reading skills. okay... listen to me... I'd changed the subject line because what I wrote wasn't a direct response. It wasn't really about what you said. It was something that was triggered in my head and was inspired to write about... based on my personal experience and NOTHING ELSE. It was not directly related. I'm sorry if I upset you or offended you or made you angry... but your opening statement was a nasty one and was quite uncalled for. If I were responding directly to everything you said I would have quoted you intermittently throughout the post and I would have left the subject line unaltered... and I wouldn't have said "Okay, this is going off a bit more... sorry..." You inspired me to write a little rant about my experiences in gifted frograms in NYC public schools. I'm sorry if you think that here was not an appropriate place for it. I'll just stop posting. "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:06:59 EDT From: CLeast18@aol.com Subject: Lupo's Hey Everybody! I was just wondering if anyone went to the Lupo's concert last saturday night? IT ROCKED!!!! thanks... ~Michala with NO E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:07:30 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 In article <39198EAA.8A26150E@yahoo.com>, Marie-Claude Danis wrote: > Chad, you are the New Richard :) No he isn't. Pip pippety pip pip Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:13:37 GMT From: Ellen A Handbasket Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 In article <39198EAA.8A26150E@yahoo.com>, Marie-Claude Danis wrote: > Chad, you are the New Richard :) this implies that the old Richard is not still among us somewhere. peace, ellen (and he is, i just know he is...) ************************************************* When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:23:51 GMT From: Ellen A Handbasket Subject: Re: (Mostly OT) Dealing with people (warning: angry and irrational) oy. a recommendation to people who are relatively new to internet communities and maybe even to group dynamic: this is a community of people. all kinds of different people, with all kinds of different stories and tolerances and hot points and fuses. there will be fights. there will even be really stupid fights. accept it for that. accept it for what it is. not for what it used to be. [1] or for what you wish it to be. makes things a whole lot simpler. peace, ellen [1] if it has changed, you might find that what it now is is no longer of interest to you. that's fine. move on. many many people here have already done that, and lived to tell about it. ************************************************* When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:39:17 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 said Marie-Claude: > Chad, you are the New Richard :) No! no No NO! Chad is the Old Chad. No, wait, the Tall Chad. No, wait, what I mean is Chad always has been an inspired zany-man, and there's nothing intrinsically Richard-like about that. In fact, it's intrinsically Cchad-like to write something that makes me laugh just when this newsgroup most needs an infusion of humor. > Chad Maloney wrote: > > Yeah. I wrote letters to Bear Bear myself. Like this: > > > > To: Bear Bear (c/o Moxy Fruvous) > > From: Me > > > > Yo! 'sup BB? You be havin' da rollin' da time wit' da gang, yo! Miggin' > > wid da mack an' all dat, yo! I'se come ta bring da nizzews uv our bud > > Loren. I knizzow dat I hazzn't been good wit' da writin' an all dat, > > but ah needz yah BB to be wit' me in spirit in mah hizzard lizzife, boy! Now, you are saying what is the moral of this story? Well, the moral > is be careful whom your write letter to. You never know when alleys > and urine may mix. What do alleys have to do with it? Bear Bear doesn't skulk around in alleys, does he? - -- Lori (CchadFan#1) Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru who has slithered for a setlist or two in her time, but generally is too lazy. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:19:27 -0400 From: Melanie Subject: Setlists (was Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00) > Chad Maloney wrote: >>People, it's a piece of paper. Do you want set lists to shows you haven't been at for your deathly ill cousin or whatnot? << Gotta share my setlist story. I was at a concert this year and close enough that I thought I might be able to snag a setlist. But there were a couple of girls in front of me, and it became clear that they were thinking the same thing. "Hey, it's theirs," I thought. They were closer. They would have gotten it, too, except that as the set was ending some guy came out of nowhere, lunged at the stage, and because he was bigger, aggressive, and had longer arms he got to the setlist first, but only barely. The girls did not try and snatch it back. Later, I happened to be standing next to the guy, so I said, "You got a setlist. Cool." "Aw, I've got about 2 dozen of those things," he said, clearly more impressed by his own prowess than the setlist. So the point is: To those who may make a game of getting setlists only to hoard them: It's not the brass ring. It's not a trophy. It is just paper. If you've already got one, LET SOMEONE ELSE GET IT. peace, melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:53:29 -0400 From: Melanie Subject: Setlists (was Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00) >>> Melanie wrote: >>Later, I happened to be standing next to the guy, so I said, "You got a setlist. Cool." "Aw, I've got about 2 dozen of those things,"<< A friend who was there reminded me that he actually said he had about 12 setlists. OK, so he wasn't as much of an (expletive deleted) as I inferred. But I still think he should share. melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:12 GMT From: drea25@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT: The Northern Ontario Rant > You have not heard all the inappropriate persian pastries jokes if you > weren't at the Windsor '99 show. Consider yourself fortunate. > mcee, glad she was too sick to take part in that. You may have been too sick, but you were certainly aiding and abetting.. and contributing more than a few unprintable quotes yourself dear :P I have the quotebook to prove it! (Trust me, if you've never ridden in Michelle's FruBus2 to a show with MC, Kath, Fiona, Chrissy and Michelle's husband Neil, you've missed out on an unforgettable experience *evil grin*) Drea o/~ Maybe I'll grow up before I grow old.. o/~ - Martina Sorbara Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:33:13 GMT From: Wakko Ellington Warner-Warner III Subject: Re: Setlists (was Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00) Chad Maloney wrote: : Now-a-days, people snag the set lists before the first encore! Does anyone : else see this as obscenely rude? I do. It's a nice momemto of the show : you've just seen, but it isn't worth tugging over at all. It a frickin' : piece of frickin' paper with a frickin' list of frickin' songs on it. : Woo hoo! True 'dat. I've got a few setlists, but, lately, I've stopped caring about trivial little things like that and more about the experience itself. Sunday's show was one of the best I've seen, and I don't need a little piece of paper to remind me of that. (Especially when I've got a DAT of it. :) It's more fun hanging out after the show with friends (or, sometimes, the band) than running up to the stage and fighting over a piece of paper is, anyway. (Lousy sentence construction, that) - - A.P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:04:02 -0400 From: "Gramcracker" Subject: Re: Setlists (was Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00) > Now-a-days, people snag the set lists before the first encore! hey, shush, i did that once. it's a long story. smoochies, meghan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:01:53 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: Setlists (was Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00) well, I'm gonna jump in here, as someone who has reached for setlists, even held myself up with one hand on the stage at times... I'm not necessarily responding to this message, but the thread in general... I like getting setlists. I collect a lot of things. I especially tend to go for setlists that have songs I don't have on other setlists (in Mays Landing, Down from Above, in NYC, Kick in the Ass, and in NoHo, Grunge of Spain, for example) I *always* wait until after they have completely left the stage after at least one encore, and usually take a look around to see if the other setlists have been snagged. If *no one* is going for them, I'll wait until the show ends. Otherwise, I figure it's fair game at that point, and try for it. If someone else already has a hand on it, it's theirs, or if I can't reach it without pushing people or running all over the stage I'll give up. I'm not in the business of taking other people's souvenirs. There have been a couple of setlists I've even given away because people wanted a "first setlist" or something like that. I won't push people out of the way, either. If I'm not right up front, I can't get a setlist. Oh well. A setlist is a good souvenir from a show. It's unique from a ticket stub, a CD, or a t-shirt. Fruvous are very good about them - whenever I see TMBG, we're yelled at by bouncers if we put our hands on the stage and we're yelled at by TMBG if we take a setlist before they're done using it. We have to ask the crew, and usually they're pretty busy doing the teardown. I think Fruvous are pretty unique in this respect. a setlist is also harmless and not "sick." It's the people who go after half empty coffee cups, beer bottles, cigarette butts, towels, and chewing gum[1] that we should be worrying about. [1] I've never seen anyone take it, but I have observed people touching the gum on Jian's drums. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:38:17 GMT From: murmbeetle@my-deja.com Subject: OT: thoughts of a zionist fruhead Appropriately enough, happy Israeli Independence Day, everybody . . . Having the day off, I took the opportunity of catching up on the last several months of ammf, and ran across an impassioned thread about Anti-Arabism and growing up Jewish. I both can and can't relate to what you're saying, Gella. I also went to a nominally Orthodox Jewish school while growing up, but (perhaps because Columbus, Ohio is a much smaller place, in Jewish terms, than Brooklyn) the student body was hardly monolithic. There were people who thought that an egalitarian synagogue was the work of the devil, but nobody who thought it was an unheard-of, alien concept. So I can't argue with you when you talk about the messages you got, implicit and explicit, when you were growing up. You were there, and I wasn't. But they seem to have given you the wrong impression that you can't celebrate the Jews' history in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranian Sea (whew! Avoided calling names!) without denying the rights and history of the people who have lived here (I'm writing this from Jerusalem) for the past 1300 years, and that you can't consider one Jew killing another a tragedy without condoning killing non-Jews. The first question is _way_ too long to get into now, but I'd like to say a few words about the second. If you are reporting their attitudes correctly, your teachers and fellow students would seem to have been on the right wing, to say the least. Thus, Yitzchak Rabin would hardly have been their favorite person. That is a side point. The main point is, why were they more dismayed to find that a Jew had killed Rabin? Doesn't this smack of bigotry, double standards, the view that what is okay for Arabs to do is wrong for Jews? Well, no. I mean, let's say (God forbid) your little sister is murdered. You probably feel pretty upset about that. Then you find out your brother killed her. Worse, right? Does that mean that you would feel good about a total stranger killing your sister? There is a problem with this logic, of course. It assumes that Jews should feel closer to each other than they do to other people. And isn't this bigotry in and of itself, seeing as how all people were created equal? On the other hand, is it bigotry to feel upset about the murder of your sister when thousands of people are murdered every day? You could say that it is. But you've already said that you feel responsible for the Anti-Arabism of your fellow Jews. How is this different than the Jews who feel partially responsible for Yigal Amir's assasination of Rabin? What upset me more than the indignation at a Jew killing the Jewish Prime Minister was the number of people who said, in one case the very same day, "Of course it's very sad that he was killed, _but_ . . ." and listing all of the evil things about Rabin. My sister had to hear this from the mom dirivng our carpool after being the only one in her class crying at the funeral telecast. I think the several fruheads were right who said that the way to overcome the shame of Jewish Anti-Arabism is to work to fight it, not to distance yourself from the Jewish people. Naomi Libicki, sister of M.B. Libicki and Miriam Beetle Libicki nlibicki@netvision.net.il yes we're a professional cynic but our heart's not in it Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:21:47 GMT From: Maggie Deegan Subject: Re: Brittany vs Jian- A Battle of Authors P.S. With much credit given to my best friend, fellow Fruhead (I converted her!), and partner in crime, Allison Heneghan, here's another thought raised by Brittany's book: "Sure, Brittany Spears can write a book, but how many of her fans can actually read it?" the question that immediately came to my mind was... wait, boobs knows how to write?!? - -- ~Maggie~ "The Hawaiian alphabet has 22 letters, 6 of which are K." ~ Taylor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:26:58 GMT From: Maggie Deegan Subject: Re: MBLABOA > "Now THAT'S a sexy chess move!!!" my friend Gabrielle once spent an entire spanish class (during which we discussed a Marquez novel) doodling in her book. Gabrielle *never* doodles, messing up her paper is a sacrilege. anyways, at the end of class this doodle is shoved in my face and Gabrielle says "now that is one SEXY hydrangea!" ps - i apologize if that wasn't funny, but... twas funny at the time. /me shuts up now - -- ~Maggie~ "The Hawaiian alphabet has 22 letters, 6 of which are K." ~ Taylor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #216 ********************************************