From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #208 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, May 5 2000 Volume 04 : Number 208 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alexandria/Birchmere setlist & review [Mike Wood ] Re: XPN Announcement... [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] Auction etiquette [address@bottom-of-post.com (Eric)] Re: MF House Party 6/4/00- XPN Benefit [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at] Re: XPN Announcement... [Michael Castleman ] Re: Alexandria/Birchmere setlist & review [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] WXPN Announcement--Cool! [miznikita@aol.com (MizNikita)] Re: 5.3.2k review [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] 4.30.2k review [dunmiram@jmu.edu] Re: Auction etiquette ["A.J. LoCicero" ] //...Advice For New Immigrants,,, [W-A-S-P@cglshxjsvm.net] Re: Another Fru-Free Folk Fest... [drea25@my-deja.com] Re: Auction etiquette [address@bottom-of-post.com (Eric)] Re: Auction etiquette [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] test, please ignore [Ofer Inbar ] OT: Hoboken Arts and Music Festival [FruCake1@aol.com] testing ["Nathan J. Mehl" ] bleh. more gateway troubles, sorry [Ofer Inbar ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:13:24 +0100 From: Mike Wood Subject: Re: Alexandria/Birchmere setlist & review ^kat^ wrote: > > yepyep... i *believe* they debuted this > little charade of theirs last december 3 in amherst. i first saw it a whole 3 years ago at the mercury lounge (it was the first of the three livenoise shows there i think) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:03:31 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: XPN Announcement... In article <20000504172420.19161.00001133@ng-ci1.aol.com>, pookytoby@aol.com (Pooky Toby) wrote: > I don't mean to slander my favorite lads, and I know > that they have to make a living somehow, but doesn't this seem a bit commercial > for a non-commercial band? i was under the impression that they were doing it to raise money for XPN. am i wrong? they're doing this for their own purposes? heh. aight take it easy, JOrdaN http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:14:23 GMT From: address@bottom-of-post.com (Eric) Subject: Auction etiquette Hey everyone, Recently I Bought an 11x17 Moxy poster off of eBay for a very reasonable price. The seller said that it would be sent between two pieces of cardboard, which was acceptable. Today, I received it in the mail, and although it was between pieces of cardboard and in an envelope that could accomodate an 11x17 poster, it was folded in half! The crease is pretty bad, right in the middle of a black section of the poster. Upon receiving it, I checked the picture in the auction listing, and, lo and behold, there was no crease. In fact, it even states, "The poster is in mint condition, with no rips, tears, creases, or staple holes." So, my question is this: I could return the item (I have 10 day return priveleges) and just lose $4 in shipping ($2 each way). However, the thing is that I want to keep it--hell, it only cost $3.25--, but am nonetheless perturbed that it has a big ugly crease in it. So would it be wrong of me to leave the seller negative feedback? I don't think it's fair that the item didn't come as described. I don't know what to do. HELP ME PLEASE! - --Eric - -- lightman "at" his.com http://www.his.com/lightman ------------------------------ Date: 04 May 2000 23:07:24 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: MF House Party 6/4/00- XPN Benefit gingee@my-deja.com wrote: >While I >love 'XPN and couldn't live without it, winning this will require an awfully >large donation. It is apparently not against the rules for up to 35 Fruheads >to band together, pool resources, and bid on this item. This is an expensive >venture and probably would require a committee of a few people to make it >work. I can imagine that they will actually get bids for thousands of >dollars, maybe even up to or more than the $6,000 "value". > >So I'd like to >either start or join a discussion with other like-minded Fruheads who >actually have the financial and logistical ability to pull this off. Oh yeah, baby, Steve and I were discussing EXACTLY this about an hour ago. We've got a house -- it's not huge, but it's big enough, has a backyard that's bigger than the Point, and I think the neighbors will be cool with it, as we have tolerated their grad parties. ;) If anyone else has a better location that's super too -- but we're only 15 minutes due west of UPenn. We'll kick in a couple hundred. I'd say let's give this thing a whirl! Let's start out by saying: email me (moonshimmer@xpnonline.net) AND Gingee with approximate pledge amounts so we can get together a list of names. We've got eight days to pull this off! - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:37:49 -0400 From: Michael Castleman Subject: Re: XPN Announcement... Pooky Toby wrote: > > Rai 'rote: > > >and on June 4th, > >they're auctioning off a HOME CONCERT. As in in your own, personal home. > >There > >are a few rules, such as "no garters." It's being auctioned off on the > >Internet at XPN.org... > > Hey, does anyone else think that this is totally weird? I checked wxpn.org > just a few minutes after the announcement, and there were already some big > ($$$) bids coming in. I don't mean to slander my favorite lads, and I know > that they have to make a living somehow, but doesn't this seem a bit commercial > for a non-commercial band? > If I understand correctly, the money goes to WXPN, which seems to be a public radio station, not to Früvous. Someone yell at me loudly if I'm wrong. - -- Michael Castleman, mlc67@columbia.edu 1651 Lerner Hall, New York, NY 10027 Fax / Voicemail: +1 (530) 686-8623 "The minority is always right." -- Henrik Ibsen ------------------------------ Date: 04 May 2000 22:41:00 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Alexandria/Birchmere setlist & review As Kate said I also much prefer last night's version of "IWHO" ... the best comparison I can come up with is the two versions of "Long and Winding Road," one with the Spector wall of sound and the one (that you basically never hear) with just Paul and piano (not the Beatles!!!) ... I got goosebumps last night. I don't have TOO much else to add except for a few comments ... thanks to everyone who helped entertain Dana, who really was a trooper all things considered .. she threatened to conk out around "Minnie" but was back in full swing by "KOS/GEH" ... she crawled onto the stage between encores to grab Jian's set list (on her own) and I hope this was ok ... not sure if "protocol" says they can't be grabbed till AFTER last encore but since she didn't tell me she was going to do it, by the time her little toosh was sticking up for all of the Birchmere to see it was too late. LOVED Mike's bit during the "lay off the Beatles" break during GEH where he took off on Cats ... loved Dave's suit (for those who weren't there, nifty light blue seersucker with black turtleneck. He looked spectacular). ... Loved the little bit of "American Tune" they did ... Hadn't realized they were talking about "Pork Tenderloin," had thought it was supposed to be "Johnny Saucepan"all the way since Jian had the tin whistle. Did finally hear Pork Tenderloin at Annapolis though so I was happy ... My one wish now is to get a copy of "Complainte du Phoque en Alaska" after hearing it Tuesday at Rams Head. And my other wish is to finally hear "You're Gonna Lose That Girl." Queen Lisa of Darlington in Maryland, the Clown Overboard state. ------------------------------ Date: 04 May 2000 21:38:46 GMT From: miznikita@aol.com (MizNikita) Subject: WXPN Announcement--Cool! Hi all! I've decided to de-lurk for a bit and write about the WXPN Moxy Fruvous mini-interview. I managed to tape it (even though it turned out to be only 15 minutes or so), and here is the basic rundown of what happened: - --The band came on a little late, and the DJ kept saying that the band would be there "momentarily"--the DJ sounded a little flustered, it was amusing - --Fruvous finally came on, and they bantered a bit about the DJ's resemblance to a hip english professor, the type who would party with the students - --They went on about Sarah Harner (sp?) and the plethora of Canadians featured on WXPN - --They played the "sneak peek" intro of the C album (the one that is online) - --Mike (I think): "So as you can hear, its another album of depressing Moxy Fruvous songs." :) - --They played Pisco Bandito live, which is always a treat to hear! A lyric: "You may think that to steal is wrong, but he's no worse than Jean Valjean" - --They talked about the availability of the C Album, and the Appel Farm concert - --THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT: You can bid for a Moxy Fruvous concert IN YOUR HOME on June 4th! It is a concert for up to 35 people, and you can bid on WXPN.ORG They laughed and hinted that even though the contest has rules, once you get them there, there are no rules! "I bid seventeen quid on the Fruvous Lads--they can come play at my house in Ipswich" (Dave? in an old crochety English accent) They went on and mentioned that once you get them there, they are pretty much at your disposal, and if you aren't into the music that much, you can have them do chores! "I'm good at wainscotting" (one of the guys). The DJ mentioned that they could wear a little maid's outfit, and one of the guys said "well, we do that anyway!" - --Another song played from the C album, which is about killer tents from the Falconridge folk festival that were swallowing people! It is a really bizarre song! Here's a sample lyric: "At Falconridge this summer somehow we've enraged the falcon gods, and tents have turned to creeping crawling body-snatching pods." - --They thanked the DJ and that was pretty much it So that is the WXPN announcement! It sounds really exciting, and so probably if enough people in the Pennsylvania area team up and bid together, they can get Fruvous to play at their house! Sounds great--good luck bidding! *Nicole* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:44:28 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: 5.3.2k review sisterpuff@my-deja.com wrote: > Sadly, Lisa emailed me and said she wouldn't be > able to go to the show...she didn't want to drive for four > hours...even though she said that her driving limit is > 10 hours. Teehee. Sorry, Lisa...I just had to mention that. *grin* just cause everyone else isn't as much of a crackaddict - you have to be bringing it up? > Amanda was all happy because > she's from the area and she was like, I feel like I'm at home even > though I really won't be until Friday. =) did she start pointing out the local starbucks and funeral homes? > Towards the end of my stay at the hall with the > girls, it was basically Amanda ("yellow"), Atasi ("brown"), Natalie > ("black"), and myself ("white") doing stuff together. Even though > we all have these different backgrounds and stuff, we are still > this awesome group of people. I just love these women so much! oh my god, i read that and i thought you convinced natalie to go to the show with you guys! seriously, my mouth dropped open. > After Martina was finished, Amanda and I hopped out back so she could > have a cigarette you mean so she could "check the weather," right? > Again, I was feeling really tired. Man, I need to catch up on my sleep > sometime soon. aw puddin! look at us feel sorry for you for seeing fruvous like 80 times in the past 2 weeks. > So, while we're out there, I point out the Früvous van > and Amanda yet again talks about how they need to get a VW bus. She's so > funny. While we're out there, Jian comes out and he looks at us like > we're stalkers or something... dude if i saw you hanging around - i'd be scared of ya. oh wait, i mean, nm. :) > For the life of me, I can't remember what they > talked about. hahaa, maybe something to do with where you were sitting? you were preoccupied looking at other things? > We talked with Jian for a bit and he's really cool. I've never really > talked with him before...just kinda hung back while he spoke with Jordan > and stuff. i read that and i was like, "uhm, amy? i wasn't at the show." but it all came together. i don't know what you're talking about tho - i don't talk. seriously, i just smile and nod and say "yo - nice show - bye!" and then skip away. > Right now I'm working on > ideas to meet Jordan for the California shows I'm going back to cali, to cali, to cali... > The main issue is getting the money for it and dealing > with my mother. That's the only down side to moving home for the > summer...you have to deal with parents after spending a year being an > independent person. yo sp, come move in with me in d-town. > Jordan, you best be emailing me soon, yo! uhm, that reminds me - my computer is going down in a day and a half... i won't have access to one for quite some time... so if anyone out there has anything to say to me - say it now. *grin* take it easy, JordAN who appologizes for actually replying to this post. http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:45:09 GMT From: dunmiram@jmu.edu Subject: 4.30.2k review It is now Thursday and I have decided to take this time to write up my reviews for the last three shows instead of packing up for my official move to Florida (I leave tomorrow...) Ya, I'm a good procrastinator. :-) So, here it goes... 4.30.2k~Allentown~Pennsylvania I decided to go to the Allentown show due to some great persuasion by Lisa. I must say that I was a little worried about meeting up with her considering the fact that the extent of my conversations with her consisted of a week's worth of emailing. But, I decided, what the hell. A Fruvous show is definitely a good enough reason to drive up to Pennsylvania and meet Lisa. So, I told Jordan that I was headed up there and she decided to come down from the city. I was so excited that she wanted to do that because that meant that I would see her one last time before we went our own ways for the summer. So, Lisa said she would meet me outside the venue at 7pm and I was figuring to leave around 2 on Sunday...figured I would do some studying for my final that was on Monday. Well, I talk with Jordan and I find out that her bus was getting into Allentown at 11am. I didn't want her chillin in there by herself, so I told her that I would meet her at 11. Sunday morning rolls around and my alarm goes off at 5am. Yes, that's right. Amy got up at 5am on a weekend morning. Oh yay. I'm on the road by 6:30 and what was supposed to be a 5 hour trip was really 4 hours. After driving around to find a place to park, I decided to park in a lot that was labeled as parking for permits only...just like ALL of the parking lots in Allentown. What's up with that? I walk the 10 blocks or whatever it took to the greyhound bus station and there's little Jordan chillin curbside at the bus stop. She shares her stories of the bus ride while we walk uphill to find someplace to hang out until the concert. Well, sadly, :::NOTHING::: is open on Sundays in Allentown. Wendy's and Subway wasn't even open!!!!!!! We had nowhere to go. Since our list of places to hang out was limited, we decided to kick it curbside outside of the venue. It was a nice day out, so it wasn't really bad... After a while, we got onto the discussion of the Bryn Mawr show that was supposedly that afternoon. I looked to see if it was on the map that I had in the car, but it wasn't. It wasn't until we saw Gella that we found out that it was about an hour or so away. We could've gone there instead of sitting on the streets looking like two crazies. Oh well. We had fun anyway. People started to line up around 5pm and we were excited to talk with someone other than the people that work in the venue...we're sure they thought we were crazy. So, anyways, we talked with the girls next to us and there was a Fru-virgin. Both girls were awesome. They took a picture of us because we were their "first FruHeads." Ya. Anyways, so after a while, the guys pulled up in front of their hotel and eventually they came down to the venue. They seemed in great moods considering they had just performed a concert in Bryn Mawr, drove to Allentown, and were headed in for yet another concert. The dedication they have is just amazing. I found Lisa thanks to the help of some peeps from the newsgroup and I was totally excited. She's one of the coolest people I know. J I was definitely glad that I came up to meet her. Jordan, Lisa, and I talked the entire night about some fun topics and stuff. So cool that she's in our mind set. Doors opened at 7:30 and we got our seats in the center of the fourth row. The three rows in front of us were roped off for the people that have season passes or whatever. It was quite amusing to watch them during the concert. One couple in the third row had a pair of binoculars so they could see the stage better. Very interesting. During the show, some of them seemed to really enjoy the music and banter...except for that one woman Jordan mentioned...she left during Greatest Man in America and didn't come back. The concert was great considering it was a sit down concert. During Michigan Militia, a whole lot of people ran up to the front of the stage and stayed there for the rest of the concert. They were mostly high school students and they were having a good ol' time. That night was the first time I actually felt old. There's these young adults still in high school having the time of their lives...and then there's me...just about to graduate and enter the real world. Ah. That's the way life goes. I'm trying to remember the banter...Dave was wearing the Liz Claiborne suit again. =) Jian mentioned that after the show they were headed out to get blitzed in Allentown...ya, drinking in Allentown on a Sunday night...I don't think it's going to happen, Jian. Mike said that he heard there was a rave somewhere around there and they were going to that. Dave mentioned that he brought his parachute pants... Jian was like, Whenever I look at you Dave, I think of sitting with you on a front porch sipping a mint julip. Hahaha. There was this kid in the audience that had a Neil Diamond shirt on...it literally had Neil Diamond on it...so, he was pulled up on stage and Dave started a medley of some Neil Diamond tunes. The guy stood in front of Dave, moving the shirt to make it look like Neil Diamond was singing. It was pretty funny. And, that's about all that I can remember...it's been a long week, kids. I'm surprised I've remembered all this... After the show, Lisa heads out and Jordan and I hung around. We talked with Mike for a bit and then with Jian. He signed my shoes...didn't seem to mind having to do that which is cool. Jordan and I headed out for NYC and got into her place around 2am. We both crash... The alarm went off around 8:15am. Jordan headed to class and I headed home. I got in around 2:30 and tried to cram for my final that was at 4:00. The bad news: I didn't know anything going into that exam...and it was cumulative. The good news: I went in with a C and came out of the class with a B for my final grade. Pretty cool, eh? Amy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:42:55 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Auction etiquette BBWMinors wrote: > > Question though ... have you tried first contacting the seller and explaining > your concerns? I definitely don't think leaving negative feedback is wrong in > this case at all, but since you are feeling potentially guilty/bad about it, > contacting the seller first might make you feel better I disagree with the last two posters. I think that before you leave negative feedback you MUST talk to the seller about it. Maybe it was just a mistake. I don't know why He'd have folded it if it had never been folded before. There ought to be some explanation. Negative feedback damages the reputation of the seller and makes it harder for them to sell on ebay in the future. Before you go doing that to someone, you ought to get their side of the story. Maybe if it was a mistake he'll give you a refund or a partial refund or something. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2000 02:38:23 GMT From: W-A-S-P@cglshxjsvm.net Subject: //...Advice For New Immigrants,,, If you are feeling unwelcome in a country they just recently kicked the door down on, perhaps they could take a few tips to ease their adjustment. And a few social tips: 1. Understand you are in a foreign country, probably illegally. 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Well, unless there are other bands at the WFF that you want to see, I say go for the Hip show :) Just watch out for the One Way Streets from Hell when you get to Mpls *bad flashbacks from driving to the Oct 98 show..* Drea (who has yet to see the Hip live *sigh*) "Maybe I'll grow up before I grow old" - Martina Sorbara Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:32:43 GMT From: address@bottom-of-post.com (Eric) Subject: Re: Auction etiquette Thanks for all your responses... here's what happened: I e-mailed the seller and expressed my disappointment with the situation, since the auction clearly stated that there were no creases. He e-mailed me back and said that the description stated that the available shipping methods were regular mail with the poster folded between two pieces of cardboard (which I had opted for) or priority mail in a poster tube. He also said that I had paid him only $5.50, instead of the $5.75 that I had owed him ($3.25 for the poster + $2.50 shipping). I responded and pointed out that it did not say that it would be folded if I chose regular mail shipping, and that in the item description it said that the shipping was $2.25. He responded saying that I was right, and that all of the information that he should have put in the item description he must have left out (he said that he usually puts that information in the confirmation e-mail after the auction closes, which I didn't get since I paid right away via PayPal). So, he said that he had a couple more of the same poster, and offered to sell me another one for $1 + $3.20 for priority shipping (in a poster tube). I felt that that was reasonable, so I took him up on the offer, and thanked him for handling the situation in a friendly and professional matter. Thanks for your responses, they are definitely appreciated! - --Eric - -- lightman "at" his.com http://www.his.com/lightman ------------------------------ Date: 05 May 2000 12:20:58 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Auction etiquette I am not in disagreement with you at all, AJ ...in fact, I'm such a wuss I didn't leave negative feedback in a situation I can't help but think maybe I should have. Instead I didn't leave any feedback at all rather than positive ... I had ordered a package of afew items and when I "won," I mentioned to the seller that I had bid really for one of the items specifically and how excited I was about getting it. Well, not only did the postage for the "huge package" cost more than the bid itself, but when the item came it was tiny and missing not only half of the supposedly promised items but one of the items missing was the piece I'd wanted. There was NO WAY in the world this package cost the postage she had said (and in fact the postage on the package was only half of the amount listed). So I called her and she swore up and down she'd put everything in there and couldn't imagine what had happened ... now there is no way that all of the items could have even FIT in this envelope. But like an idiot I had thrown the envelope (and postage) away. She was very nice and apologetic about it, though she never admitted she hadn't included everything, but all she could do to "make nice" was send me another item I liked but not as much as what I'd wanted. No refund, etc. I couldn't prove I hadn't gotten them. She had, may I add, about 350 feedbacks, ALL of them positive so I wanted to give her benefit of the doubt. But I will not leave positive feedback though she requested it and I will never bid on another lot from her. I'm sorry, maybe this is really OT by now, but I'm just saying that I'm very afraid of leaving negative feedback but when you get screwed, you get screwed. I think Eric definitely needs to give the seller a chance to make it up to him. But I wonder if I did the right thing in not leaving "neutral" feedback. Wussy QL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:27:58 -0400 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: test, please ignore Is the mail->news posting broken after cutting over to new MX? -- Cos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:37:23 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: OT: Hoboken Arts and Music Festival For those who are not going to go to the New Haven show (or that ARE and wouldn't mind making a pit-stop)Hoboken's Arts and Music Festival will be taking place on Sunday from 11:30-6:00pm. Patti Smith, Seeking Homer, Joey Ramone, Ronnie Spector and loads of others will be performing. If interested go to the link below: http://www.hobokeni.com/communityevents.htm Enjoy this beautiful weekend! Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:06:02 -0400 From: "Nathan J. Mehl" Subject: testing just a test, please ignore. - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Listen up, freaks: This is the last time I'm going to run one of your whiny, "Am I the only one?" questions. Whatever your fetish, no matter how obscure, there are other people like you out there, and guess what? Every last one of them is on-line. Crush fetishists? On-line. Plush-toy fetishists? On-line. Women-who-enjoy-decapitating-men fetishists? On-line. (--Dan Savage) ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:14:45 -0400 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: bleh. more gateway troubles, sorry The gateway failed again while I was in Virginia so I failed to notice it until Amanda told me at the Ram's Head show on Wednesday night. I hope I have fixed it again. I put a rate-limiter on it so that it will not send more than 15 messages per run (it runs once every half hour), to avoid overflowing mailboxes every time it's dead for a few days and then sends everything all at once. Off to Vermont now *wave* -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@aaaaa.org cos@polyamory.org -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ "Good literature is about Love and War." "Junk fiction is about Sex and Violence." ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #208 ********************************************