From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #203 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, May 5 2000 Volume 04 : Number 203 Today's Subjects: ----------------- c album preview song [lunab1219@aol.com (LunaB1219)] Re: Pennsylvania tomorrow... ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: Welcome to the c Album [Lori Martin ] Re: Rad webpage... just lookin for attention.. check it out ["Plug" ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) [Chad ] Re: review: allentown 4/30 (way too long) [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] review: allentown 4/30 (way too long) ["Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: Pennsylvania tomorrow... >In the interest of not having people wandering all over Bryn Mawr >looking for a show this afternoon (if I'm not too late, that is) I'll >de-lurk for long enough to say that the last thing I heard about this >show was that it's a private show for students only. I could be wrong >about that but I would think that an in-store would be more publicized >because they want people to show up. Welp, my apologies. My source was wrong :). Have fun everyone . . . - --Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "And in all the idiots I see Thoughtless men casting doubts on me . . . Enlightening . . ." - --Guster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:57:38 GMT From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: Welcome to the c Album Last week, Hugo presciently said: > >Well, not having heard much TMBG in my short stilted life... I was kind of > >shocked by the circus-tune style of the welcome. and in today's mail what do I find but a suspicious yellow flyer, speaking in veiled terms of "trips" to Belize, Dave's spectacular goatee, and this statement on C: "Some people will hear this disc as a "light-hearted romp through popular culture", while for others it will simply be "circus music". Whoa! But ... the Mitosis Waltz? eeeek! is this where the Guinea Pig comes in? - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru diggin' the groovy chittychittyfrubusplane and budgiecat with pincers ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:50:52 +0100 From: "Plug" Subject: Re: Rad webpage... just lookin for attention.. check it out How do you think we feel about it as regular contributors??? 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METHOD OF PAYMENT , CASHIERS CHECK MONEY ORDER OR BANK WIRE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:19:41 -0400 From: Sarah E Robeson Subject: Pittsburgh Show- World Cafe Hey all- I was just listening to WYEP 91.3 here in Pittsburgh, PA and they gave out the info for Fruvous at the Warhol Museum on June 23rd. Here are the rules for getting tickets: 1. You must be a WYEP member to get tickets. (i just signed up myself, but all the other members got their ticket order forms today). 2. 2 tickets allowed per person 3. Can only order tickets through the mail (right now, this may change later, I don't know) 4. There are only 100 total tickets available This show is part of the World Cafe's "Week at the Warhol" tapings. The other performers that weekend are Janis Ian, Jule Shure (don't know how to spell that), and Endtrain. Also, the DJ said (and I quote), "Moxy Fruvous has new material and that's what they'll be playing for the show". yay! So, i don't know about the rest of you, but our chances look kinda bleak. Luckily, it looks like the lads will be playing an open show the next day. (?) Is this true? Just wanted to pass on that information, sarah sarah with an h periwinkle at cmu dot edu www.andrew.cmu.edu/~robeson/ westwood.fortunecity.com/naked/531 "I wake up, check my senses, all have come around./ one, two, three, four, five all here,/ six sleeps next to me,/ sleeping sound." - Eddie from Ohio, "Woman of Faith" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:04:31 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) - ---------------=======================================-------------- FAQ Comments: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html Newsgroup: news://alt.music.moxy-fruvous Website: http://www.fruvous.com - ---------------=======================================-------------- *** FAQ Update *** This is the monthly posting of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous official Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list. An updated version of this text is posted to the newsgroup on the first of each month. Updated records are easily recognizable by looking for *'s in the FAQ itself. WARNING: This posting is positively huge. It is broken into 4 parts of about 500 lines each. An HTML version of this FAQ with hyperlinks (making it infinitely more readable), is available at Fruvous Dot Com: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ is currently actively maintained and provides a centralized placed to look for answers to commonly asked questions on the newsgroup. All questions, comments, or suggestions for the FAQ should be sent to ammf-faq@fruvous.com. Discussions of the FAQ and its contents are appropriate for the newsgroup, but please cc: ammf-faq@fruvous.com also to insure the FAQ maintainer gets them also. - - Keeper of the FAQ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:21:18 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: review: allentown 4/30 (way too long) "Carey Farrell" wrote: > Alrighty, onto the show. This was my first time taking notes > on the setlist ok this was the third fruvous show where there were seats - and the first show that i actually opted to stay seated the whole show. > Early Morning Rain: YAY! I was so happy to hear this live, > and that they opened with it. It was *gorgeous*. I remember hearing this one in the dark in LA way back when after the power went out... I'm curious... if anyone was at that show: Was it just murray and a guitar there? or was dave playing guitar and murray singing like they did last night? Again, it was in the dark so i'm not really sure but maybe you guys can remember. It just sounded different this time and I can't figure out why. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jian's mic was so incredibly out there. I saw him say something to someone off at the side immediately after this song and soon thereafter the levels seemed to be back on track. I was getting at something, oh yeah, During the song I think Jian accomodated the fact that things were a bit off very well - ok, just complementing the musicians. *g* gimme a break. > But why Jian decided to use this song as > an opportunity to resurrect his old Tall New Buildings-era > dances is totally beyond me. maybe because he can, and get away with it *grin* > banter: "Are people booing the jewel of the Susquhehanna?"(Mike), > "Nooo, I think they're just booing Jewel." (Jian) the minute I heard "jewel" come out of his mouth I was waiting for a comment. THere are definitely some "Safety" people the band has that they feel comfortable constantly dissing. Not that i'm complaining in the slightest... i'm just curious to hear some of the other people they have "comments" about *grin* > "It's a good thing I brung my parachute pants." (Dave, who was all > spiffed out in a suit tonight) spiffed out is definitely a good way to describe it. > This led into banter about confused theatregoers trying to figure > out exaclt what was going on onstage ("Oh, honey, this must be > some kind of popular Canadian music," "At least in Wagner I wasn't > *supposed* to understand it") let me just chime in with a few cents here. They roped off like the first three or four front rows --- for people associated with the venue and their friends i'm sure. You could definitely tell that some of these peeps had no idea what was going on at all. The good news is taht as the show went on, most these people were grooving along. But we still could help but take notice of a few with binoculars which is all cool --- if you're at red rocks (or some other stadium venue) and sitting like a mile away. When they started playing Greatest Man in America --- let me just tell you that a few of these peeps were so excited, but by the end of the song - wooey sasparilluh. One chick on the end left. > They tried to go into YWGTTM again, but it took awhile. At one > point, Dave broke the silence by breaking out of the line and > bursting out with, "Won't you come home, Bill Bailey?" Ok, all i'm gonna say is that before this song - the lads were cracking up. I have never seen them all laughing so hard. Jian was on the floor cause they were laughing like maniacs. It was really cool because throughout the night, each of the lads had their "moment" when they just couldn't help but bust out laughin. > Song Sung Blue --> Cracklin' Rosie: yes, this did happen. There > was some kid in the front wearing a Neil Diamond Tshirt, and they > invited him to stand up in front of whoever was doing lead vocals, > and move his shirt so it looked like Neil was singing. Dave started > out with Song Sung Blue, and then went into Cracklin' Rosie. The > other guys were really looking like they were thinking, "Ummmmm, > *why* are we doing this? and *how* did this happen?" hee hee.) ok so a few things about this. Jian offered to buy the shirt off that kid. They made some comment about the younger generation digging music of the past --- which kind of irked me for some reason. MY QUESTION FOR THE DAY: after this Mike says something along the lines of "neil diamond, also who we refer to as Murray's Mom's boyfriend" Murray got this look of "aw sheeit" on his face and one of the lads said, "you knew that one was going to come up out of the shadows again, it's only a couple years old." But they dropped it about as soon as they brought it up. Did i miss something? any explanations out there? > Beatles" went on for quite awhile, with the "look what you've > done to *him*" thing, and then Mike in his little kid voice > saying, "I see dead people." can I just say that that was sooo perfect? Yeah Mike! :) Uhm, it was somewhere in Green Eggs and Ham that Dave had his crack-up moment. can't remember who made him laugh or why but he totally couldnt' stop. uhm, so yeah, that's all i had to add to this totally-rockin review. take it easy, JordAN http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ np: 2pac "changes" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:55:21 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: review: allentown 4/30 (way too long) Hello from the land of 1000 nuns[1]! Shelly and I are opting out of sleep tonight, and instead we're bringing you this fabulous review of the fabulous show tonight (er, last night, by now) in Allentown. Sooo, Gordon and I left the Land after my choir concert, and even though Allentown was apparently hours and hours away, and Mapquest had decided to totally screw with our minds, we got to the Symphony Hall before the doors even opened, and were able to join the line with everybody else in the world. So, um, hi to everybody else in the world, it was really groovy to meet you :) Alrighty, onto the show. This was my first time taking notes on the setlist (besides just writing down quotes for my infamous quote board), so let's see how this works out. Early Morning Rain: YAY! I was so happy to hear this live, and that they opened with it. It was *gorgeous*. But why Jian decided to use this song as an opportunity to resurrect his old Tall New Buildings-era dances is totally beyond me. River Valley banter: "Are people booing the jewel of the Susquhehanna?"(Mike), "Nooo, I think they're just booing Jewel." (Jian) "It's a good thing I brung my parachute pants." (Dave, who was all spiffed out in a suit tonight) "Isn't Jesus from Pennsylvania?" (Jian) BJ: hadn't heard this one live yet, either. It included some little attempts at vogueing or something by Jian and then Murray. Horseshoes banter about the Bryn Mawr performance earlier that day: "It was like some pre-pubescent male fantasy . . . and that's why we paid 2 thousand bucks to play that gig." (Jian) then Dave said something about a "flagon of mead" . . . Murray: "Dave's waited for 3 years to use the word 'flagon' onstage." Sad Girl: began with a long intro about grunge culture and stuff. At one point, Jian finally asked, "Am I rambling?" and Murray replied. "I just did my taxes in my head." Jian had the Persian Cowboy hat on again ("Don't call me my name anymore -- just call me Persian Cowboy"), which led to some banter about Persian fundamentalists marching in the streets . . . Lazy Boy: yay, this one is always fun Pisco: speaking of fun stuff. Intro about C album, and how there are still 24 letters in the alphabet to go, and each will have its own album -- "Each one more expensive than the last!" (Mike) Then what started as a segue from Pisco into YWGTTM became a "the fish are coming" improv, about how all the fish are going to invade earth, and not even the little pockets in your swimming trunks will be safe. It was very ominous, esp. with Murray's spooky falsetto line going on. This led into banter about confused theatregoers trying to figure out exaclt what was going on onstage ("Oh, honey, this must be some kind of popular Canadian music," "At least in Wagner I wasn't *supposed* to understand it") They tried to go into YWGTTM again, but it took awhile. At one point, Dave broke the silence by breaking out of the line and bursting out with, "Won't you come home, Bill Bailey?" YWGTTM: another one I hadn't seen live. I loved watching Mike and Jian on this one -- they looked like they were in The Music Man or something. Elian intro-->Stuck in the '90s Minnie: Yay Grampa Fruvous! Someone else will have to help me out with the rhymes here. All I remember is "go local sports team!" At some point in here, Dave strapped on the banjo and they went into a hoedown, which preceded Michy: one of my favorite, favorite songs live. At this point some girls near the front got up and started dancing in front of the stage, and a bunch of us followed, prompting Murray to say something like, "We're glad to finally see you getting your groove thing on." Dave apologized because the rest of the show was going to be nothing but slow ballads. Tureen: I spaced out here. I don't remember anything except the line, "It's not a pot, it's a tureen." Seriously. Weird . . . Johnny Saucep'n: much faster since November, I think. Song Sung Blue --> Cracklin' Rosie: yes, this did happen. There was some kid in the front wearing a Neil Diamond Tshirt, and they invited him to stand up in front of whoever was doing lead vocals, and move his shirt so it looked like Neil was singing. Dave started out with Song Sung Blue, and then went into Cracklin' Rosie. The other guys were really looking like they were thinking, "Ummmmm, *why* are we doing this? and *how* did this happen?" hee hee.) GMIA IWHO Nuits KOS --> GEH: I think everybody was dancing at this point. OK, so this was my first time even hearing GEH live, so it was lots and lots of fun. "Not the Beatles" went on for quite awhile, with the "look what you've done to *him*" thing, and then Mike in his little kid voice saying, "I see dead people." Splatter Splatter Disco Bville: can I just tell you how happy I am that this is gonna be on the C album? Encore 1 MBLABOA: there seemed to be some confusion over whether Robertson Davies need a shave or a grave tonight :) GITC Encore 2 GWS: absolutely beautiful. One request, tho, and I mean this in the nicest possible way: if Fruvous is singing off-mic GWS and you're tone-deaf, *please don't sing along*. Just let them do it. You can sing again as soon as the get offstage. But apart from that, it was lovely. After the show we were kinda hustled out o' there, which I was OK with. Jian and Mike came out, and Jian signed my YWGTTM and talked with me about my choir concert, thanks to Gordon. We went a little picture happy, too (well, it was the first time Gordon, Shelly and I had been in the same place at the same time, outside fhdc of course, and we had to mark the historic occasion.) So, to make a long story short (too late), the show rocked, and a good time was had by all. *hugs* to everyone I met or remet, especially those who gave up time and sleep to get me there and back. Hope to see some of you at the Rams Head and Birchmere, Carey [1]my school (not its real name, just what it *should* be called. it has two theme songs.) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:04:34 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Begin part 1/4] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Questions, suggestions, and submissions to: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ last updated: 20-APR-2000 Question marked by a '*' denote content changes in this version of the FAQ. Questions marked by the '*' have been modified significantly enough to make it known, so that people familiar with the previous FAQ need only browse the '*' marks to get updated information. Questions in this FAQ: Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? 3) Who maintains the FAQ? 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? 5) Where can I get the FAQ? Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? 2) Is there an IRC Channel? 3) Is there a newsgroup? 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? 14)* Are there any major fan web pages? 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? Section: Basic Moxy Fruvous Information 1) Who is Moxy Fruvous? 2) What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? 3) What is a Fruhead? How can I become a Fruhead? 4) What is the "Fruhead Card"? 5) What is the "Frumiles Card"? 6) My Frumiles Card expires at the "end of the millennium." Is that December 31st, 1999, or 2000? 7) Where is the band currently touring? 8) Why has the band toured more in the United States than in Canada lately? 9) Why does the band frequently play at restricted venues that don't allow underage people in? 10) There seems to be frequent mention of taping at Fruvous shows and trading of these tapes. What's the band's policy on that? 11) Is there any connection between Moxy Fruvous and the soft drink Moxie? 12) I ordered my merchandise four weeks ago from Fruvous and I haven't received it yet. What gives? 13) What's the best thing I can do to help support the band? 14) What's the story behind "The Troc"? What happened? Section: Mike, Murray, Jian, and Dave 1) On stage, who is who? 2) Why is Jian's name written as Jean in liner notes and older articles? 3) How do you pronounce Jian Ghomeshi? 4) Is Dave gay? bisexual? How about Murray? Jian? Mike? Section: The Albums 1) What albums does Moxy Fruvous have out? 2) Why aren't all the albums in stores? Where are they available? 3)* What if I can't get any of the albums at stores? 4) Does the band ever put out singles? 5)* Does the band ever make videos? 6) Is there any connection between _You Will Go to the Moon_ and the children's book of the same name? 7) What is the Indie Cassette I keep hearing about? 8) Where can I get the Indie Cassette? Section: Songs and Lyrics 1) Where can I get a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 2) Where can I find the lyrics to "Johnny Saucep'n," "Your New Boyfriend," etc? 3) Where can I get translations of the French songs? 4) Where can I find tabulature for Fruvous songs? 5) Where can I find vocal sheet music for Fruvous songs? 6) Where can I find sound files of Fruvous songs? 7) Which band member wrote which songs? Do they collaborate? 8) What's the song that they perform with the refrain, "Hey little bird, fly away home"? 9) Is it a female voice or Mike's voice during the intro to the studio version of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 10) Who says "Swing it" on the studio version of "Gotta Get a Message to You"? 11) Is the "Lowest Highest Point" really in Delaware? 12) In "King of Spain," the King plays crokinole. What IS crokinole? 13) What songs that Moxy Fruvous regularly performs are actually covers? Section: Fruvous Characters 1) Who is Larry Boniface Clebdon? Who is Barry? 2) Who is Lazlo? 3) What's a Laika? 4) Who is Dusty Fosterbourd? 5) Who is Grandpa Fruvous? 6) Who is Lou? 7) Who is Marion Fruvous? 8) Who is the Naive Young Chap? Section: Fruvous-Related Links and Information 1) What other bands might a fan of Fruvous be interested in? Credits Appendices: Appendix A - An explanation of why age restricted venues exist and bands play at them Appendix B - alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup definitions and etiquette suggestions * Appendix C - common acronyms seen in alt.music.moxy-fruvous Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ (a.m.m-f FAQ, or just the FAQ from here on out) is a frequently asked questions list that is a resource for newcomers and old timers of the internet NNTP newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is intended to answer many of the commonly recurring questions that are posed to the newsgroup so that the members there are not continually answering the same questions. Note that the a.m.m-f FAQ is not gospel. It is fan maintained. Sources are cited where they are known and every attempt has been made to give information in as neutral a way as possible. But the maintainer is only human (and at this time at least, a quite opinionated human at that), and at times some inkling of their opinions may seep in. Feel free to complain if you disagree. 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ does contain some good general Fruvous information that does not relate directly to the newsgroup. Any fan may find the information here useful, even if they do not have the time or desire to read the newsgroup. Also, "Fruvous FAQ" is much easier to say and type than "alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ" or "a.m.m-f FAQ." 3) Who maintains the FAQ? The original maintainer of the FAQ was Colleen Campbell. She researched, wrote up, and maintained the FAQ from its birth until August of 1999. Her work on the FAQ is very much appreciated, and the Fruvous community owes her a debt for her hard work. The second and current maintainer of the FAQ is Chad Maloney. Chad has been a Fruvous fan since July 1997 and posts frequently (if not very frequently) to a.m.m-f. He can be reached at Chad@fruvous.com and gladly accepts any and all email. 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? Your input to this FAQ is very valuable. If there's something you disagree with, that you want said in a different way, or that you want added to or removed from the FAQ, please email the current FAQ maintainer. They should happily talk with you about your addition and give you feedback on the request. The email address ammf-faq@fruvous.com is setup for the current FAQ maintainer. Please do NOT post your FAQ input to a.m.m-f. The FAQ maintainer needs to keep a record of all requests so that they are processed accordingly. Due to problems with newsfeeds, every post to a.m.m-f may not make it to the maintainer. Please DO email the FAQ maintainer at ammf-faq@fruvous.com. 5) Where can I get the FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ is available in a couple of different ways. It is posted monthly to the newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is also available on the web at http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html. You can also request the FAQ from the ammf-faq autoresponder. To do this, simply send an email to ammf-faq-request@fruvous.com and the FAQ, split into sizeable chunks, will automatically be emailed to you. Finally, you can request that the FAQ be emailed to you by emailing ammf-faq@fruvous.com and requesting the latest version of the FAQ. The FAQ maintainer will forward you the FAQ when they get the email. Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? Yes, there is. http://www.fruvous.com (Fruvous Dot Com or FDC) is the official Moxy Fruvous web page and an amazing resource for Moxy Fruvous fans. The site is one of the best band websites around and contains an up-to-date tour itinerary, song lyrics, articles, guitar tab, and show reviews. Reviews posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous usually make their way onto the site or they can be emailed to webmaster@fruvous.com. The site is maintained by Chris O'Malley and any questions about it should be sent to him at webmaster@fruvous.com. Moxy Fruvous Corp also has registered the domain moxyfruvous.com for future use. 2) Is there an IRC Channel? Yes, there is probably more than one. The one that many a.m.m-f denizens frequent is #MoxyFruvous on the Undernet. More information about that channel is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/irc.html. You can probably find Moxy Fruvous channels on EFNet and DALnet as well under various names. 3) Is there a newsgroup? Yes, there is. alt.music.moxy-fruvous (for which this FAQ is written) is the Usenet group for discussion of Moxy Fruvous. For a simple etiquette guide to alt.music.moxy-fruvous, see Appendix B of this FAQ. To access the newsgroup using NNTP, choose your favorite newsreader (like TIN, Netscape Messenger, Outlook, etc) and look in the alt.music hierarchy for moxy-fruvous. You also need a news provider. If you are in school, you may have to request that alt.music.moxy-fruvous be added to your school's news server. You can also use a free NNTP service like Deja.com to read the newsgroup or there are several great news service providers that are available for relatively little money. NewsGuy, for example, works extremely well for some people ( http://www.newsguy.com ) and is very inexpensive. AOL has their own newsserver and the newsgroup is available there. To get to it, go to the keyword "newsgroups", then "add newsgroup." Search the alt.music hierarchy for alt.music.moxy-fruvous and then subscribe. Note that NNTP and the graph of newsservers is not wholly reliable. Sometimes posts may be lost or come in out of order. Deja.com is usually very complete, as is NewsGuy. See question #6 for some alternatives to using a bad newsserver. 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? ammf@fruvous.com is the email address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Sending email to ammf@fruvous.com will post the contents of the email to the newsgroup with the subject provided. This is how the Mail--->News half of the gateway works, so that when you reply to a message sent by the gateway, it goes to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News gateway provides a way to receive the contents of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup without using an NNTP newsreader. Instead, once you subscribe, each posting to the newsgroup is emailed to you directly. Note that there is still an NNTP server behind the Mail<-->News gateway, so there may be posts out of order or left out, like when using another NNTP server. The contents of the list are also available in digest form. See question #9 for more information. For more information about the Mail<-->News Gateway, see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? If you aren't subscribed to the Mail<-->News gateway, something is really wrong. If you are subscribed to the Mail<-->News Gateway, then probably someone else is having mail problems and is bouncing mail to the list. Please send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com regarding the problem and they will work it out. Forward the bounce there and they will fix the problem as promptly as possible. 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? You have a couple of choices. You could pay for a better NNTP service from a company like NewsGuy ( http://www.newsguy.com ). If you have patience, you can use a free NNTP service that has a good newsfeed like Deja.com. The interface to Deja is a little awkward, but it does work. The web site http://www.fruhead.com has a web interface into a.m.m-f available as well. Finally, you can subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway which is already hooked up to a good newsfeed. To subscribe to the Mail<-->Gateway (which will email you everything posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous and allow you to email ammf@fruvous.com to post to the newsgroup), see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. It has information on the Mail<-->News Gateway. Note that the web interface on FHDC uses the Mail<-->News Gateway for its newsfeed. 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? To unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway, you need to unsubscribe from the mailing list ammf@fruvous.com. If you are unsubscribing from the address that is subscribed to the list, you simply need to send an email to ammf-request@fruvous.com with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Otherwise, you're request will need to be authorized manually. You can email owner-ammf@fruvous.com for help with that process. If you are subscribed to the digest version, send your email to ammf-digest-request@fruvous.com following the instructions above. Please don't include your .sig in messages to the ammf-request address as it may mess up the automatic processor. See http://www.fruvous.com/other.html for more Mail<-->News gateway information. 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? Nope. Sorry. The mailing list software behind the Mail<-->News gateway is Majordomo, which doesn't allow you to remain subscribed, while temporarily shutting off distribution of mailing list messages to your email address. To do this, you'll have to unsubscribe then resubscribe when you return. 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? The best thing to do is to subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway in digest form. In digest form, you will receive one large email containing a number of posts to the newsgroup instead of each one individually. You can then read the one message, instead of individually reading the 40 messages contained in it. To do this, email ammf-request@fruvous.com with the message body containing "subscribe ammf-digest". 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? There are two easily available archives of the newsgroup. The first is provided by the Mail<-->News gateway, which archives all digests it sends. They are available for download at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ammf but you can't search or easily navigate through the digests. Deja.com archives a great portion of Usenet for your use. It provides robust searching of newsgroup articles back to 1996. 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is the old Moxy Fruvous newsgroup. People now use alt.music.moxy-fruvous for discussion of the band Moxy Fruvous. The newsgroup in the alt.fan hierarchy is no longer used because it was not petitioned properly in alt.config before the "add group" message was given to NNTP servers. Because of this, the alt.fan group is not available in many places. The alt.music group was (eventually) properly setup and should be available on a wider range of servers. An attempt was made to remove the alt.fan group from Usenet, but this isn't really feasible because NNTP servers aren't organized at all. Most posts to alt.fan.moxy.fruvous get immediate replies from kind fans referring them to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? alt.music.moxy-fruvous is a pretty cohesive fan group and many of us have developed a taste for meeting up with each other at Fruvous shows. To identify each other, the newsgroup came up with the a.m.m-f pin, originally distributed by Vicky Brasseur to those who sent her an SASE. There are a limited number of fans still using these old buttons, but Vicky is no longer distributing them. If you are at a show, look for Fruheads wearing a 2" white pin with black lettering, "alt.music.moxy-fruvous" on the top, "have modem - will travel" on the bottom, with the "Barry" creature (from the back of _The B Album_) in the center in full color. An image of the a.m.m-f pin (or ng pin) is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/frupin.gif The newsgroup pin seems to be in less use than it was during '97. Many of the newsgroup regulars became very familiar with each other in that period and identification pins became rather extraneous. There are a lot of new a.m.m-f'ers out there, though, and it would probably help us all meet each other if we kept the pin in common use. In August of 1999, Chad Maloney ( Chad@fruvous.com ) had a new batch of the old buttons reprinted. He has information on how to get an ng pin available. See http://www.fruhead.com/users/Chad/ammf-pin.html for more information about getting a button. 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? Jian has admitted in front of fans that he does skim the newsgroup occasionally. It's also been said that Murray and Mike have seen the newsgroup before. Even though members of the band occasionally see the newsgroup, the newsgroup is not for communication with the band members. Many, many people read the newsgroup to discuss Moxy Fruvous, and the last thing they want is people posting personal messages to Murray, for example. There are much better ways to communicate personally with the band than to use the public newsgroup. Please remember that the newsgroup is a public forum and what you write may be seen by any number of people, including band members. 14)* Are there any major fan web pages? FDC has a links page for many fan pages in its "Moxy Online" section available at http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. http://www.fruhead.com is a fan web page and resource for Fruheads kept up by Josh Woodward. It provides many great functions like sending messages to other fans (Frumessages) and trip planning/coordination. You do have to be a member to use some functions, but membership is free. Also, FHDC has a "Fruhead Links" section with Fruvous-related links on it. Most of the band members also have fan run sites dedicated to them: - - http://www.WayToGoMurray.com is a Murray Foster fan site - - http://www.MyPoorGeneration.com is a David Matheson fan site - - http://www.GoJian.com is a Jian Ghomeshi fan site (and of course there's http://www.JianKillsCats.com for details of one of Jian's oddest proclivities) 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? Bill Bowen's page called the "Fruvous Supplement" lost web space quite a while ago. He has since allowed Chris O'Malley to include his web page on FDC. Josh Cragun's, which was originally the "official" Fruvous homepage, but hadn't been updated in over a year, disappeared from the web awhile ago. The "jcragun" account was removed from the server, possibly because Josh is no longer at school. Chris has, however, moved some of the articles, lyrics, and other tidbits from those pages to FDC with the permission of their previous owners. 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? An umlaut is the technical name for the two dots that are above the "u" in Moxy Fruvous in all the band's printed materials. In other languages, things like umlauts modify the pronounciation of a specific letter. For example, the u-umlaut in German sounds like a ue, and is sometimes written that way in electronic media where no umlaut is available. How to make an umlaut on your computer depends on the computer you use and the character set it is configured for. On most Windows PCs, the ascii code 129 is used for the lowercase u-umlaut. To make it, hold down the ALT-key and, using the numeric keypad on the far right of your keyboard, type 129 then release the ALT-key. The result should be a lowercase u-umlaut that will be visible for people using Windows. But, for some people using a different character set usually on UNIX, what you just made will show up as junk. It is this character set difference that keeps this FAQ from using umlauts for Fruvous and that causes many people to not use them in IRC or on the newsgroup. Not everyone sees it as an umlaut. Normally, when someone sees a word that is Fr^vous for example, they realize what it says, but it's usually best to stick to Fruvous without the umlaut if you want it to look decent on all computers. 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? Don't panic. a.m.m-f gets a lot of traffic and you probably notice when something is awry with some part of the Mail<-->News Gateway. There are a couple steps in the process that could be the problem and any diagnosis you can do on your own will benefit both you and others. The first thing to check is your email account. Do you have an email quota that you are violating because of too much mail? If you are in violation of your quota, your ISP may be automatically bouncing new messages addressed to you back to the sender. Are you getting other email alright? If so, there's probably nothing wrong with your mail account. Your ISP can probably help you figure out if you are having problems with your email service. The Mail<-->News Gateway works by taking mail from an NNTP newsserver it uses and forwarding it to a majordomo mailing list. There are a couple places where this whole process can be gummed up. The newsserver the Mail<-->Gateway uses may be having problems, there could be space problems on the machine that manages the majordomo list, or any of myriad of other problems. The proper thing to do when you've determined the problem isn't your email is to send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com and explain your problems. They will help you as soon as they can. Please don't send "I'm not getting any posts" messages to the newsgroup. The correct and direct way to get the problem fixed is to alert owner-ammf@fruvous.com of the problem. 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? To send posts to the newsgroup through the Mail<-->News Gateway, you have to send email to ammf@fruvous.com. This is the correct address and the only address that will post your message to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News Gateway is currently housed by smoe.org and ammf@smoe.org is a valid email address, but is NOT the address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Mail sent to this address will be distributed only to those people who subscribe to the gateway. People who use NNTP news services or Deja won't see the post. The solution is to use ammf@fruvous.com, which will automatically submit a NNTP news post for you that will then be distributed to Deja and other NNTP news service providers, including the Mail<-->News Gateway itself. [End part 1/4] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #203 ********************************************