From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #109 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, February 26 2000 Volume 04 : Number 109 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fruvous and english nerds! ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: Question about New Fruvous Tour Dates [Chad Maloney ] Re: A suggestion to the Frucon Committee [Marge ] Re: NEWBIE [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story ["Anna!" ] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story [spin0za1@aol.co] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story [tmbgirl@my-deja] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:40:43 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: fruvous and english nerds! I wrote: Duh . . . I posted all that nonsense and forgot the best quote of the whole evening, from my friend Reyna, who misheard the title: "My baby loves a bunch of OTTERS?!" Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Question about New Fruvous Tour Dates "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Nope. She got a job with Blue Rodeo. Definitely a move up for her. > Last we heard, she was still doing fruvous stuff on the side, but I am > not sure how long that can reasonably continue. Jack Ross (Fruvous' > manager) has a new assistant named Jill Primeau but I don't think she is > taking over all of Jude's former duties. Who will do the rest of those > duties remains to be seen. By the amount of internet publicity of recent shows, I'd propose the answer that question is a resounding "no one". - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:49:29 +0100 From: Musicmaker Subject: MTV-TOP-300 & Full albums on our new server - -- Do you like new Music ? Do you like to download full albums ? All password-free ... Visit our new MP3-Archive at: http://listen.to/4-free Click on the Banner in the middle of the right frame and the secret FTP-directory opens. Try it. (Be careful not to click the advertisers). Also Pictures and TOP-Software available ... Have fun ... Sylvia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:45:52 GMT From: gingee@my-deja.com Subject: 4/19 Wilmington DE & 4/20 Mays Landing NJ FYI, Thanks, Brad, for posting these dates. I did a lot of web and phone research and would like to share with y'all some ticketing info (and no need to contact TicketMaster): 4/19/00 Grand Opera House, Wilmington, DE - $21.50 Call their box office at 800-374-7263 for tickets. They only add a $2/ticket handling charge. Their web box office (www.grandopera.org) still does not have this show posted as of 1:20 p.m. 2/25/00. (I got 6th row seats at 10:30 this morning.) 4/20/00 Walter Edge Theatre at Atlantic Cape Community College, Mays Landing, NJ - $19.50. Call Moon's Tunes (609-601-0290) or visit them in Linwood, NJ for tickets; talk to Curtis (really nice guy). He's got about 50 tickets - really goods seats, and only adds a $1/ticket handling fee. (I got seats in row "A" this morning.) I'm always happy to do business with an independent music store when possible. This theatre only has 460 seats - what a fabulous small-venue opportunity to see Fruvous! Cheers! gingee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:58:20 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?kyla?= Subject: Re: fruvous and english nerds Carey said: >>> >> >>Duh . . . I posted all that nonsense and forgot the best quote of the >>whole >>evening, from my friend Reyna, who misheard the title: >>"My baby loves a bunch of OTTERS?!" I saw the subject of this and thought of my friends' and my english projects based on fruvous- for our king arthur story video (we made up a story based on the tales) we had the king of spain (me!!) attack arthur, and then for our p.r. campaign for brutus (in julius caear) we did a parody of cedric's ballad. our english teacher thinks we are all very wierd people for so obsessively loving the lads. - --kyla ===== AIM: canadan2 ICQ: 37135028 ?:^) marion sez: hi everyone! we miss u cedric! i've flown over the cuckoo's nest and i'm never ever comin' back-- barenaked ladies, crazy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:02:10 -0500 From: Marge Subject: Re: A suggestion to the Frucon Committee Koz wrote: > Oh, come on now. Everyone knows that winter is the best season to do > everything. There's sledding, ice skating, skiing (downhill AND cross > country), walking through a quiet park in the late evening with big, > puffy snowflakes gently falling all around you, snowball fights, snow > forts, snow angels, tunnels to be dug under drifts and snow plow > leavings, tobaggening, polar bearing, and you simply *MUST* agree that > driving on snow is just an absolute *GAS*. {Seriously. Find a big, open > lot (with much distance between light poles) and just find out how fun > snow can be! <--something I think should actually be a part of driver's > ed classes.} > > And now, add FrüCon to the mix. I thought the weather at FrüCon II was > perfect! It only added to the atmosphere of warmth at the Con and at > Lee's. Maybe I'm a bit sadistic, but there's something "homey" about > freezing your butt off walking somewhere and then walking into a crowd > of really friendly people when your cheeks and nose are all red. > > ... > > Although...I am originally from Wisconsin... > > Later, > Koz > I, too, have known the joy of doing doughnuts in a large, icy parking lot. It's lotza fun and has the added benefit of teaching one how to control skids. However, those who didn't grow up in the snowy climes (Rochester, NY for me), or for those who live in cold-but-not-snowy areas, winter is just one big pain in the butt. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2000 19:37:00 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: NEWBIE > I >got my hands on as many mp3's as I could, but I want a CD. I was >wondering what you guys would recommend for a first CD. Hi Rachel. Well, it seems that someone who already knows you has provided advice based on who you are... no knowing as much about you you may want to disregard what I have to say. I think the most frequently and highly recommended CD for a beginner is Bargainville. It is their first non-independent CD and *I* think is a very good sort of "meet moxy früvous" album with a mix of the silly and serious. Second would be Live Noise which gives a taste of the live show experience which is the most amazing thing I've encountered. Wood and b are sort of at opposites of the Früvous spectrum. b is their silly album and Wood is the serious album. While both are wonderful, (wood is tied with Thornhill for my favorite at the moment-- this changes frequently) normally I wouldn't suggest either for an opening because both give a rather unbalanced impression of what our lads are capable of. You Will Go To The Moon is, I think, sort of the experimental album. I went through a phase when I wasn't all that fond of it because much of it just seemed very "un-früvish" for what my impression of them was at the moment... but I trusted them enough to keep listening to it and I absolutely love it... as I do all of their albums, of course. Finally, there is Thornhill. This one sort of strikes me as the "normal" album. It is essentially where they really show their musical influences. I think that this album would be a good one to start someone off with if you want to sort of gradually mold them into liking the kind of stuff Moxy Früvous does... a mild introduction for "normal" people into our freakish freakish world. Well, this is all just my personal impression of each album. I'm sure many will disagree, but hell, diversity is what makes this crowd so amazingly wonderful! And a note about MP3's... Moxy Früvous is a grassroots band. They're not too widely known or advertised, they don't get much radio play etc. etc... If you have bunches of MP3's I would suggest that you, at least eventually, buy all of their albums. I mean I would suggest that anyway because they're so wonderful, but I think I speak for most of us here when I say that we all want to support the band as much as possible-- morally and monetarily... so it would be nice if they got some money for what they give us. Have fun!!! "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:06:57 GMT From: "Anna!" Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story frugals@my-deja.com wrote: > So, we're chilling and Martina something or other comes on...Paul goes on > stage and dances with Mindy who was standing with the > "I-have-the-touch-and-feel-me-shirt-on" group that was behind us. So, um, that was us ... and I really don't know what you're getting at with that comment about whoever (though I have a suspicion ...) was wearing whatever shirt ... or why you even felt it was necessary to point out. > The concert was pretty good. I wasn't feeling the dancing vibe too much > that night. Plus, during Present Tense Turreen the groupy girls behind > us were emphasizing the "bowl" and "pot" parts of the song whicn caught > Jian's attention I must say. Jordan and I were laughing at their > obnoxiousness and I think Jian saw us and kinda shared the sentiment. So ... as one of the "groupy girls" I feel the need to first, point out that I'm not a groupie ... and second, point out that on many occasions, both Jian and Murray seem to have been quite amused (in a good way) about our joke. If they want to tell us to stop, they have every right - which goes for you as well. Next time something pisses you off, kindly say so, rather then openly calling us obnoxious. Thanks! > The bartender that night was pretty cool. Everyone at the bar shared their sentiments about the FruHeads, their lack of tipping knowledge... *shrug* I seem to remember my little touch-me-shirted/obnoxious-yelling group tipping *VERY* well ... just ask the waitress who declared us her favorite customers. > I'll just let it rest at that and let everyone think about their > behavior at that point. Everyone? You too?! I'm not entirely sure what else you had to say about us, because I didn't feel like wading through long descriptions about Jian drinking your beer. spuh. - -anna- "the road is better than the inn." -cervantes ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2000 13:07:19 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: Re: Tickets on sale now! >What she neglected to add was that she has appeared onstage at this very same >Mays Landing venue on numerous occasions. Which means the guys literally >will >be following in her footsteps! > >I am sure they will be awed by this thought. :) > >-- Lori > ducking Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru > > Hee hee! My brother and I were in a play there once, and the stage manager, as it turns out, is a fan! I saw him at the Collingswood show, and we had a lovely chat. He's really nice too. In fact, my brother's old English teacher taught him. The guy at Moon Tunes, Leah was praising, is a really nice guy, and is very excited about the whole thing (I got my tickets yesterday). That whole Thornhill buying thing is a story in itself which I will let Leah share if she wants to :-) - -Saph (Once again proving that everyone in South Jersey is somehow related to everyone else. ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:35:37 GMT From: melinda klump Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story okay, i almost never post, but this was just too much. i was at frucon, and i was there with gella. on thursday night i actually stood outside with her at 4:45 and froze until i thought i would die. i earned my spot in the front row that night. its not as important to me as it is to her, however, so the next couple of nights i came later, waited less, and would not have deserved to be in the front even if i had scammed my way in one way or another, or snuck up to the front to be with gella which i did not do. this is not an essay on me and my virtuous concert-going, i would just like to establish that i believe in concert ethics (which are really just human ethics) and that i'm not a hypocrite about them. if you don't feel that way, there is nothing i can do- and i'm not going to let it upset me that much- i'm a grown adult and i can take care of myself. what i DO have a problem with is you attacking gella for trying to stand up for herself when you called her brainless, among other things, because that's who you were talking about, after all. not just gella, of course, but all of us foolish non-tipping fruheads (that non-tipping part is just not true about a lot of us- especially those of us who have waited tables, but that's hardly my point at the moment). gella is not only one of the truest and most sincere souls i have known in my 30 years, but also one of the smartest. she is also completely devoted to the things she believes in and the people she loves, and some of those people are moxy fruvous. > > Yes, i feel sorry for each of you that you're "very sensitive." > I'm not - i'm 100% pure bitch and i love it. ok? well, obviously, but no, not okay. > Ok, here's my summary and why i think that you have absolutely no basis > for being upset with me or my friends. We went into the bar before > you, you got mad. You could have gone into the bar with us, but > didn't. oh, and btw, WHO CARES? first of all, its not true. there were times that first night when we were begging to get in, and weren't allowed by the door guys. second of all, if i understand correctly, she's not so much upset at you for going in while she was cold- in fact, she endured the cold in a way i never could- what she's upset about is you using the fact that you went inside early to cut in line! you said yourself that as soon as the doors were opened you stopped having your casual drink and ran down to the front row to save spots for yourselves and your friends who were outside. you say all this as though you didn't care about being up front, and that fruheads who do are petty or ridiculous, but you were doing the exact same thing- just with a lot less integrity. i don't care what you do- i don't care if you cut in line, i don't care if you complain about fruheads- i don't care if you come right back and insult me for writing this. what i do care about are the feelings of someone like gella. i have rarely met someone who's feelings are more real, sincere, and honestly very generous, so i just can't let your comments go without speaking up. that's all for now. melinda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:45:04 GMT From: frugals@my-deja.com Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story Hey Anna! As you have shown in your reply to my post, everyone is free to their own opinions. I'm sorry that you had to wade through long descriptions about Jian drinking my beer...As i remember, it was only two sentences or something. Sorry it was that long. Oh well. I felt it was important to me. As for thinking about people's behavior, I was referring to Saturday night, if you followed along with the chronological order of the post. As I recall, I didn't see you guys anywhere near us, so I don't think that it was pointed to you and if you feel that I did not act properly during Saturday night's concert, please let me know what I did to offend you. I will state that I am proud to be considered a Dave groupy. I think everyone should be proud to be any kind of groupy...esp. with Moxy Fruvous. But I do not become obsessed like some people (and that is not directed at you at all). And for the tippping, the bartender was referring to everyone in general. Sure, there were some good tippers in the crowd, but speaking from experience, you tend to remember everyone that tips poorly. I do think that the bartender that night was a littly bit snippy with people. At one point, Paul went to get a beer and was about to tip her, but she made a remark that he did not know how to tip and was wondering if that is the standard from where he came from. So, he did not tip her at all. I think on Saturday night the tipping thing was due to a continuous cycle. She wasn't tipped, so she became short with people, continuing the lack of tipping cycle. Or she was short with people first and so on from there. And to everyone in the newsgroup, if you feel that anything of mine was long-winded or what have you, I apologize. That's just the way that I write (for example, I had a paper due this past week that was only supposed to be 6 pages long and it turned into 14 pages). Thank you for giving my post the large amount of time it took to read it since it is kind of long. I just hope that you can read it with an open mind. This is coming from a person that was not welcomed at all into the "community" at any point during the weekend and my bitterness did not beging until Saturday night so you can't use my "behavior" (though I behaved very well during the weekend) as an excuse as to why you didn't open the "community" to myself or my friends. Amy In article <38B7A570.B882C87A@tiger.towson.edu>, "Anna!" wrote: > > > frugals@my-deja.com wrote: > > > So, we're chilling and Martina something or other comes on...Paul goes on > > stage and dances with Mindy who was standing with the > > "I-have-the-touch-and-feel-me-shirt-on" group that was behind us. > > So, um, that was us ... and I really don't know what you're getting at > with that comment about whoever (though I have a suspicion ...) was > wearing whatever shirt ... or why you even felt it was necessary to > point out. > > > The concert was pretty good. I wasn't feeling the dancing vibe too much > > that night. Plus, during Present Tense Turreen the groupy girls behind > > us were emphasizing the "bowl" and "pot" parts of the song whicn caught > > Jian's attention I must say. Jordan and I were laughing at their > > obnoxiousness and I think Jian saw us and kinda shared the sentiment. > > So ... as one of the "groupy girls" I feel the need to first, point out > that I'm not a groupie ... and second, point out that on many occasions, > both Jian and Murray seem to have been quite amused (in a good way) > about our joke. If they want to tell us to stop, they have every right - - > which goes for you as well. Next time something pisses you off, kindly > say so, rather then openly calling us obnoxious. Thanks! > > > The bartender that night was pretty cool. Everyone at the bar shared their sentiments about the FruHeads, their lack of tipping knowledge... > > *shrug* I seem to remember my little touch-me-shirted/obnoxious-yelling > group tipping *VERY* well ... just ask the waitress who declared us her > favorite customers. > > > I'll just let it rest at that and let everyone think about their > > behavior at that point. > > Everyone? You too?! > > I'm not entirely sure what else you had to say about us, because I > didn't feel like wading through long descriptions about Jian drinking > your beer. > > spuh. > -anna- > > "the road is better than the inn." -cervantes > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:53:27 GMT From: frugals@my-deja.com Subject: Disclaimer this is something that i should have added to my original post concerning frucon weekend... 1. I am a bitch. I tell it like it is. I tell it the way I have perceived it and felt it. 2. Anything said in the post should be read with an open mind and an understanding from where I am coming from, not from being on the inside of the "community" and taking what is written as a full frontal attack on you personally. 3. Everyone is free to their own opinions and should be able to share them, especially within the "community" as they see fit. I share mine, and you share yours. It's a two way street. 4. During the year that I have been a fan of Fruvous, I have never been taken into the "community" and therefore do not know anyone in the newsgroup, as you do not know me. I have not passed judgement on you so please do not pass judgement on me, if you have. You may feel that I have, but all adjectives and adverbs in the post are quotings or what have you from people that I overheard throughout the weekend. 5. I am a fan first and a groupy second. Never allow the obsession for the guys take precedence over the love of the music. That's my philosophy. and that's not directed at anyone in particular or anyone in general...I'm just sharing my philosophy because that is what the newsgroup is all about. 6. Think before you act. Have empathy for those as you read their postings. Put yourself in their place. 7. Have good humor and a good attitude about anything that is said. Coming from a person that takes things personally, you need to learn to have a good sense of humor about things. I have not yet been offended by anything that has been said in response to my post...and some pretty bad things have been said. We're all human here. And that's about it. If this post pisses you off, I'll hear from you... Amy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:42:33 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Disclaimer > frugals@my-deja.com wrote: > this is something that i should have added to my original post > concerning frucon weekend... let me add one... Just because I'm replying to the flames amy's post got - it doesn't mean that i *am* amy or the "frugals". sure we went to the show together and sure we may share some of the same sentiments... but please - do not put her words in my mouth. Just because we're friends - we don't opperate on the community with only one idea system, ok? so when you reply to my post and say "YOU said that fruheads were blahblah" that pisses me off because i never said any such thing. just asking people to be alittle more careful, ok? take it easy, JOrdaN "fighting till death" *grin* http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2000 23:38:59 GMT From: skystar117@aol.cometracer (Deb ) Subject: oh boy! *another* roadtrip to pawling!! s'right everyone! i just got my town crier mailing list email and guess what i saw: *** Wednesday, 4/26 Moxy Fruvous (tentative)*** hehe....well on that fateful, rainy afternoon of 12/6 i found out that i can make it from scarsdale to pawling in about 30-40 min...so, who's up for another roadtrip? (spuh, right) But really...i'll take people from NYC/NJ if y'all want...that place is really cool, i saw the nields there last fall anyway, s'it for now:) have a great friday night! - -d "The world is collapsing around our ears - I turned up the radio"-Mike Stipe(swoon) "I'm Canadian That's like an American, But without the gun." - - a Kids In The Hall Haiku that I found on some weird site while watching the Com.Cental KITH marathon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:21:59 GMT From: "Rodney K.Elin" Subject: Re: Big Fish On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:10:06 GMT, Kaitlyn.S.Chantry@Dartmouth.EDU (Kaitlyn S. Chantry) wrote: >Why would I love to hear "Big Fish"? > > >Because they haven't played it since they recorded it (until now, I suppose), so it's more than a rareity. Also, it's a fantastic example of what makes Früvous Früvous! Each lad gets a feature and it's packed with harmony and wit and amazing lyrics. > > >Beyond that, I also happen to love the message... it's great on so many levels. What person alive hasn't felt the pressure to "do the right thing"? And note how Mike finds justification for his choices... it's amazing the conclusions people will draw when they want it badly enough. Am I overanalyzing the psychology of it? Probably. > > >But it's still a great song. > > >Plus, they use the phrase "messianical rapidity," which is cool. I always thought it was "messianical rabidity > >Kaitlyn visit my personal home page, a humorous look at marketing in today's siciety http://www.rff.org/~elin/Bananas.htm and please let me know what you think of it - -------------------- you'll have to remove the x from my reply-to address to properly reply to me ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2000 16:08:41 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story Jordan, I could go through your post and refute everything you said, but I won't Instead I'll just go with what's loudest in my head in whatever order it comes. I like you. I'd considered you a friend. I didn't speak up about any of this before because I didn't want to lose you and I still don't. When I finally couldn't hold it in anymore I was crying and shaking as I typed because I knew I would lose people as a result of what I said. I was upset outside Lee's, but not because of the cold. I have my ways of dealing with cold. I was having a lot of fun sliding around in the snow which is a lot more fun than our dirty slush. I wasn't even the most upset that these people were cutting in line. In fact, when other people were being vocal about it I kept my mouth shut to the point that THEY were almost angry at ME for not vocalizing outrage. I was more upset that someone who I know and like (you) was the object of anger for other people I know and like (Fruheads... not that there's a distinction... you are also a Fruhead.) and I didn't know what to do about it. Yes, I was a little mad at you, not because you were warm and I was cold, but because you showed to what extent you just don't seem to care about people who you call friends. (At least, I had thought you were my friend... please, was I mistaken?) I'm not into the whole elite "FruHead Community" thing where you are looked down upon if you haven't been to enough shows. I've experienced that bit firsthand and it makes me want to curl up and die. I've only been to 13 shows myself... and I keep track in the back of my journal, not on a frumiles card. I keep track of my shows because they're important to me. They're the time when I get to see some of my closest friends and experience the magic that is the Früvous concert. Not because I want to fill up a card and/or get stuff. (If I get stuff from the band I want to pay for it.) There's no initiation into the true community. You like Fruvous, you're in. There isn't even an in or out. It's just a bunch of people standing around who like the same thing. It just happens that there seems to be this bond between most of these people and they seem to, for the most part, care about each other. When people forget that... well, I cry. I don't get angry, I internalize the bad stuff and I cry. What I wrote wasn't angry, it was sad. And it was scared. I only started going to shows a year ago and I'm starting to feel like I was late. Like this wonderful fruhead phenomenon has come and gone and now it's breaking up into these solid cliques, as you said. I am almost done with highschool, I've been sick of the whole clique thing for years. Yes, life is pain. I've experienced that firsthand. But in dealing with pain you can take one of two things from it... Stop caring about people because they don't care about you and just survive... or care about people more because they're suffering too and you know what it's like and want to make it better. I'm not looking for pity. I'm not trying to say that I'm better than you because I'm not. No one here is any better than anyone else, and I truly believe that. When things hurt me and people I love I have trouble staying quiet about it. I spent much of the ride home from Toronto discussing the elitism in the "inner community" and how sickening it is. But I feel like I'm caught in the middle with nowhere to go and everyone labeling everyone else before they even talk to them and find out what they think and feel... it hurts. That's all I was ever trying to say, is that it hurts. If you don't care, I can't make you. I just needed to say it. I'm sorry if I made you mad or hurt you in any way, it wasn't my intention. And a side note... a bunch of my friends asked if they could stand in line with me and I told them no, it wouldn't be fair. I am NOT a hypocrite. "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:11:37 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story > melinda klump wrote: > okay, i almost never post, but this was just too much. > i was at frucon, and i was there with gella. on thursday > night i actually stood outside with her at 4:45 and froze > until i thought i would die. i earned my spot in the front > row that night. its not as important to me as it is to her can i just say that i think that's totally awesome that you'd do that for a friend? See, i love some of the ways of the fruhead community - don't get me wrong - i think you guys are totally amazing when it comes to loyalty (to each other and the band) and whatnot... > so the next couple of nights i came later, waited > less, and would not have deserved to be in the front > even if i had scammed my way in one way or another, or > snuck up to the front to be with gella which i did not do. ok, i totally repsect that and just becasue i was addressing "fruheads" in general - it is refreshing to know that sterotyping is stupid and there are always going to be the exceptions... but i sat outside for that amount of time and watched as several newly arriving fruheads arrived and just smushed their way into the front of the line (yes, i know they had just gotten there based on their conversation - no one was "holding their spot" or anything). Such that the front of the line as a big circle and the back was the typicle "line" you'd expect. now, sure, they all started out up there on the premise that they were just chatting with their friends but when the doors did open, i saw them trotting in with the rest of the people that had been standing up there for 4hours, not behind the other people that had already been in line when they got there. > to establish that i believe in concert ethics (which are > really just human ethics) and that i'm not a hypocrite > about them. exactly, but many people are. and that's when the whole idea of "ethics" is just turned upside down and i have no respect for that. > what i DO have a > problem with is you attacking gella for trying > to stand up for herself when you called her brainless, > among other things, because that's who you were > talking about, after all. not just gella, of course, > but all of us foolish non-tipping fruheads AIGH! read the disclaimer post. i *AM NOT* amy. i *DID NOT* say those things. yes, i agree with you that those are "harsh" words and had i been editing the post amy sent - i would have cut them out. What i think is "brainless" about the whole situation is merely the illogical basis that you guys got mad at us... see below after your "WHO CARES" comment. > gella is not only one of the truest and most sincere > souls i have known in my 30 years, but also one of > the smartest. she is also completely devoted to the > things she believes in and the people she > loves, and some of those people are moxy fruvous. *sigh* i met gella briefly at the DVN show last month and i thought she was really grooves. just as has happened with many of the fruheads i've met. I'm not attacking your personal characters (at least not any more than you are mine). > > Ok, here's my summary and why i think that > > you have absolutely no basis > > for being upset with me or my friends. We went into the bar before > > you, you got mad. You could have gone into the bar with us, but > > didn't. > > oh, and btw, WHO CARES? first of all, its not true. > there were times that > first night when we were begging to get in, and > weren't allowed by the door guys. first of all, if you read the post - we were only there for the last two nights. > second of all, if i understand correctly, she's not so > much upset at you for going in while she was cold- in > fact, she endured the cold in a way i never could- what > she's upset about is you using the fact that you went > inside early to cut in line! uhm, no. did we ever say that? because if we did - wow. We went in to have a beer and to get out of the cold. we could only view standing in the cold as foolish when you could be inside, warm. The goal was never --- oooh hey guys guess what? now we can be sneaky and be in the front. NO. > you said yourself that as soon as the doors > were opened you stopped having your casual drink and > ran down to the front row to save spots for yourselves > and your friends who were outside. where the hell are you getting that from? *shrug* we didn't have any friends outside. hahaa, that's great. and if we did, i'm sure i would have told them to come on inside with us anyways... i look out for my buds and i wouldn't want them to be outside suffering in the cold needlessly. Running down to the front row is pretty funny too... especially seeing as how paul was just down there casually talking to Martina for about an hour before people were there while the rest of us were at the bar. I remember when people started coming in - giving paul my beer and wandering around and talking to some of the fruheads that i'm buds with (let me guess, not anymore, right?) and then heading up there and taking paul's space becuase people kept yelling at him and telling him to move because he was too tall. If you had seen me i was at a table in the back and i was just as happy chilling there for the evening as i was when i foudn out that paul was being forced to move by the fruhead police. > you say > all this as though you didn't care about being > up front, and that fruheads > who do are petty or ridiculous, but you were > doing the exact same thing- just with a lot > less integrity. i get the feeling that i care about being up front just as much as you do. Like, sure it's a nice bonus to the show, but i'm sure as hell not gonna fight for it. right? you sounded like you enjoyed standing in the front the first night but it wasn't worth going through the pain of standing in the cold again for the next two nights. > i don't care what you do- i don't care if you cut > in line, i don't care if you complain about fruheads- ugh!! that's the whole reason i'm up and flaming... WE DIDN'T CUT IN LINE! that's all i'm here saying. i wish you guys would recognize the fact that it's not cutting when you had just as much of a right to walk in. That's why i get so pissed off at your "who cares" statement up there becasue OBVIOUSLY you guys are caring. > i don't care if you come right back and insult > me for writing this. i sincerely hope that no where in this post have i insulted you personally, muchless the fruheads. > what i do care about are the feelings of someone like > gella. i have rarely met someone who's feelings are more real, > sincere, and honestly very generous, so i just can't let your > comments go without speaking up. gella's lucky to have you as a friend. > that's all for now. i look forward to your next. take it easy, JOrdan http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #109 ********************************************