From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #97 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, February 22 2000 Volume 04 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A suggestion to the Frucon Committee-WAS-Re: open letter to the frucon commitee [Frucon III Committee ] saturday's irc thingy ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: FruCon Setlist Review [SugarFly26@aol.com] Suggestion for Next Year's Con [dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01)] Re: Dayton, Ohio Info? [Lynne ] Re: A suggestion to the Frucon Committee [Lynne ] Re: FruCon Setlist Review [lawrence solomon ] FrCon [Maggie Deegan ] Re: Dayton, Ohio Info? [Lisa Carpenter ] Re: Suggestion for Next Year's Con [Frucon III Committee Subject: Re: A suggestion to the Frucon Committee-WAS-Re: open letter to the frucon commitee Hi Jill. I'm sorry that your travel plans were messed up by the weather (and hope that you get a refund from the airline since they couldn't deliver what they sold you.) (I'm also surprised that the airline couldn't get you to Toronto at all, but that's a separate issue.) Your weather points are well taken but your information isn't exactly right... The timing of the Fru-con wasn't contingent on the FFFC benefit but instead to coincide with the band's only major break from touring. When the first 'Con was arranged (informally by a bunch of us who all thought it might be fun to rendezvous in some central place, ideally on the band's home turf, at the same time the band was doing several shows), Toronto in February was the best option all around. Since Fruvous was planning several nights at Lee's, including the FFFC benefit, that was the logical time to converge, since it was the only practical time when we could 1) have the band participate and 2) catch a couple of shows, too. Since the band tours most of the year, there aren't other "down" times that work quite as well. February also offers advantages such as lower airfares and hotel rates in Toronto than if we were to meet in balmier weather. It also worked out well this year to have the 'Con over the President's Day holiday weekend since that meant many people wouldn't need to work as soon as they returned to their homes. The reality is that there's no "perfect" time to arrange any kind of group gathering. I'm sorry that this year didn't work out for you, but I hope that you'll be able to make it to other Fru-shows and fun events in the near future. Regards, Doug Levy (a member of the Frucon committee) Jill Friedman wrote: > A suggestion to the Frucon committe: (there's a long preface to the suggestion, > skip the beginning if you want) > > A very long time ago (about 4 months), I was told the date of Frucon was always > determined by the Fruvous and Friends for Choice show. I accepted this fact, > and was okay with it, seeing as how the weekend fell over President's Weekend, > making it more possible for me to go. As luck (and an even luckier deal I > struck with my mother) would have it, I was given permission to go, so long as > I paid for it myself, as I had promised. I was ecstatic. > > My ecstaticism was given a near-fatal wound on Friday night when, as I walked > in the door, my mother informed me in a sad deadpan voice: "Your flight's > cancelled." My ecstaticism was smacked down for good the next day when I spent > 6 hours at the airport trying to get on a flight with no luck. > > About a month and a half ago, it was very quietly (I didn't find out for a > while) announced that the Sunday Fruvous and Friends for Choice-the reason for > the weekend!-show had been cancelled. > [Suggestion begins here] So, to the suggestion part, I say, if there's no F&FFC > show, why have this wonderful festivity during the most snow-prone weekend of > the winter?!? No thanks to the weather, I am seriously considering dropping out > of the community for a while because this unfortunate turn of events has > seriously upset me. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just commenting on the poor > choice of weekend weather-wise. I say to you Frucon Committee people (who I > would have been next year, had I been able to get to Toronto earlier this > weekend), for the love of God, if there's no F&FFC show, don't make the Con > during the most unpredictable weather-wise month. Keep your weather-screwed > fans sane, ok? I'll get off this soapbox now. Thank you all for reading this > far. > -J > writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead > Ji-Murray person > The Leopard Lady > "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter > Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:42:51 GMT From: Melanie Subject: FruCon Setlist Review Well, I figure I can remember what happened with five songs, so I'll do my bit by trying my hand at a short review. The "venue" was a double meeting room in the hotel. Most people were sitting on the floor with a few standing on the sides & the back. There was a platform in front, with a table behind that. Two mics were on the platform and one on either side. Murray, Dave, and Jian came into the room, guitars and sheets of paper in hand. As they got situated, they decided to leave the mics where they were. Just about the time I was wondering if Mike was coming, he walked in and said to the others, "I was waiting for you guys by the elevator." They got into place, Dave & Murray by the two lower mics, Jian and Mike on the platform. Mike said, "Jian and I are sharing the gold. Dave and Murray take silver and bronze." A group of folks, many holding cameras and camcorders, were standing off to the side. One of the guys said, "Those must be the people with media passes." Before they started singing, Jian explained that, two years ago, there were a number of songs that they hadn't been playing regularly in concert, so it was easier then to come up with a setlist of those for FruCon. However, since they try very hard to do different shows every time, now there's not a lot that they haven't played regularly because, "Well, look at the roads we've been traveling." So the few obscure songs available were now apparently gone from their brains so they had to relearn them. But since they'd been working so hard practicing for the three nights of concerts they hadn't had much time to practice for FruCon, "So some of us are 'on book' this afternoon," Jian said as he brandished a fistful of papers. Mike was the other one holding papers. (Apparently, they really had been practicing upstairs in one of the hotel rooms.) They started "Big Fish" to much applause. They messed up some of the lines which was endearing in a way, since they hardly ever do that in concert. I think one of them said something like, "You probably know these lyrics better than we do." (We probably did, but people were pretty much listening, not singing along.) I almost called out "You can get the lyrics off of fruvous.com," but I didn't want to sound snotty. Then I noticed that Mike HAD gotten his lyrics sheet off of fruvous.com. Cedric & Entropy were good, fun to watch. Not much to say except that Entropy was about over almost as soon as it was begun. In true Fruvous fashion, they did it up tempo. I think after Cedric, Dave or Murray said, "This is fun. It's like we're playing in your living room." It had a quality of performing, for sure, but also just having fun. Misplaced was great. Jian explained that this was specifically requested for FruCon, because it doesn't get played often. He said that they work really hard on setlists for their concerts, but they can only play so many of this type of song. (I'm figuring he meant, slow and mellow ones.) Since this is probably my favorite Fruvous song, I was mesmerized. It was done only with guitars--Dave and Jian playing. Harbormall was up to Moxy Fruvous's creative and satirical standards. This was also fun, as my daughter and I had driven down to the water and had lunch inside at Queen's Quay (which is pronounced "key" for all you other Yankees who might not know this), so we had a sense of what they were talking about. The group really responded to the set, but Moxy Fruvous could've sung the alphabet to that crowd, and we'd have loved it. Maybe that could be a suggestion for next year. :-) Just a word about FruCon. I arrived late, because I just wasn't sure about the whole thing. I now wish I had gotten there earlier. It was a great deal of fun, and not weird at all--well, relatively speaking. The whole thing is a bit weird, but we all know that, don't we? Many thanks to the organizers. And many thanks to Moxy Fruvous. I'm really glad that I decided to take the time and drive the 8 hours to Toronto which is a neat city. If the ng doesn't get flooded with people's recollections of the concerts, I'll drop a line about that later. melanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:38:53 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: saturday's irc thingy First, welcome back to all the Fru-Conners! It sounds like you guys all had a great time, and hopefully I'll be among you next year. I was wondering, and I think someone else asked this, too, if there was a record of the IRC play-by-play thing that occurred on Saturday. I actually ended up having all sorts of stuff to do, and not getting online til extremely late, so I missed it all. Carey, being pretty quiet for having a day off and all ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:14:29 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: FruCon Setlist Review In English or French? Mwahaha..yeah. Says the Spanish/French student. :) - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2000 23:42:22 GMT From: dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01) Subject: Suggestion for Next Year's Con Put up an evaluation form on the web.. I never seem to find one at the con, and can't put my suggestions for next years con... Plus, I'm sure others forgot to turn theirs in.. Daniel When Cows Laugh, Does Milk Come Out Their Noses? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:39:00 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: Dayton, Ohio Info? I know FHDC is the more proper place for this, but is anyone driving from SW Michigan or NE Ohio to the Dayton Show? I have a 9am meeting on Wednesday morning that I can NOT sleep through and can't go uinless I can try to sleep on the ride home... Please, let me know. My other option will be to see the Arrogant Worms which are playing here at BGSU for FREE, but I've never heard their stuff... lynne "new experiences are good" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:32:24 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: A suggestion to the Frucon Committee Hello all! Had a wonderful weekend, thanks to all the planners -- Angie is a KICKA%@ MC!! and thanks to all the attendees!!! Another small, more humourous thanks to Angie and Phil for puting up with "my new boyfriend" on Saturday night! I love Toronto, and the ONLY thing I wish could change would be the weather.. it was way too cold to enjoy all that can be enjoyed there! But I enjoy being able to actually see the places where the guys began.. and recognizing backgrounds in the video! I think that's a big part of what FruCon is about! I'm thankful, since I was not part of the planning committee, that the people who do organize the event take on the responsibility. I believe the purpose of a committee is to create a group of people who can get the work done for a larger group; and we have to have faith that they will do what's in most people's best interest. There are a number of reasons for having the event in Toronto (at least 5 come to mind immediately), and personally I am not travelling to Ohio for FruCon.. even if I DO live here right now. :) In any case, my vote's for Toronto (but didn't Lee's feel a bit cramped as the evenings progressed! <- that's a whole other thread!!) - -Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:46:32 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: FruCon Setlist Review Melanie wrote: > The group really responded to the set, but Moxy Fruvous could've > sung the alphabet to that crowd, and we'd have loved it. Maybe > that could be a suggestion for next year. :-) hmmm.... something that I think would be kind of neat to hear at FC4, if they decide to play, would be a set of some of their regular show numbers, but done acoustically. Can you imagine songs like Michigan Militia, Video Bargainville, or Splatter Splatter played with just an acoustic guitar? or a capella, even? didn't think so. neither can I. :) the idea actually kind of frightens me, but it's not something I'd put past Früvous... :) - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:55:24 GMT From: Maggie Deegan Subject: FrCon well, this was my first Con and i *truly* enjoyed myself. the committee did a wonderful job with this. you guys did very very well. i liked the puzzles, they were very cool. i can't really think of any other specifics, but... i can't wait for next year's!! i'd like to throw in a big THANK YOU right about now.... so.... thank you FrüCon committee members! ~Maggie - -- "I don't like Elmo. He rubbed me the wrong way." ~ Gella Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 02:29:28 GMT From: Lisa Carpenter Subject: Re: Dayton, Ohio Info? Lynne wrote: > My other option > will be to see the Arrogant Worms which are playing here at BGSU for FREE, > but I've never heard their stuff... > lynne go see the worms!!! they are hillarious and, if that isn't enough, they're canadian! i've never seen them live personally, but from what my brother tells me you'll be rolling on the floor. and, hey! it's free! if you can't see the Lads, the worms are a great substitute. prarieFrü ******************** and these were our words our words were our songs these songs are our prayers these prayers keep me strong and i still believe..... ******************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:32:28 -0800 From: Frucon III Committee Subject: Re: Suggestion for Next Year's Con Evaluation forms were inserted into the programs Saturday unless you arrived right at 11 before the printing was finished... But no form is necessary. Send comments to frucon(at)pacbell.net and they'll be routed to the committee. We'd really appreciate feedback on what you think worked, what didn't, what could be better, what you really liked--and most importantly, what you'd like to see if there's a FruCon4. We've already got many good suggestions, so keep them coming. Thanks Doug Levy on behalf of the committee DGodwin01 wrote: > Put up an evaluation form on the web.. I never seem to find one at the con, and > can't put my suggestions for next years con... Plus, I'm sure others forgot to > turn theirs in.. > > Daniel > When Cows Laugh, Does Milk Come Out Their Noses? ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2000 03:42:04 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: unhappy =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FC?= moments >but i did want to say thank you for your kind, supportive and insightfull >words. >they truly mean a lot. ::sniff:: you're so sweet! >hug< Yeah, Lori rocks. You rock, Lori. :) "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #97 *******************************************