From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #998 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, December 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 998 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [Lynne ] Re: tangents (was re: rant ... post d.c. show) [Donna Hunt ] Re: Behavior during opening acts. [Alanna ] Re: A question for the american fans out there.... [Raenfaerie@aol.com] remembered some other stuff...kinda long...but not really [SugarFly26@aol] Amherst Review(long) [Luella Benn ] Re: Amherst Review(long) [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: remembered some other stuff...kinda long...but not really [Raenfaerie] PA Mike Wood fan club [cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104)] Re: Picture Time! Pittsburg Show! [cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104)] Re: What an evening!!!!! (LONG!!) [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: A Fruvous show is like sex in that... [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO] Re: Amherst Review(long) [Raenfaerie@aol.com] ot: VH [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Fruvous as Jazz [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:37 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN I am not one to be easily offended. No worries there.. I absolutely respect everyone's right not to think like me... I almost expect it. :) Anyway.. speaking of fantasies.. When I was in first grade- I used to have dreams that I was marrying David Cassidy- does that count? I'm still waiting to have one of these famous fruvous dreams, but I don't think I Sleep enough these days - -lynne cookie said: Please don't take offense. I wasn't referring to any specific situation or person. I was just commenting on the fact that some fans (in the most general of terms--not inclusive of Fruheads) take any attention from their object of affection to mean more than it actually does, and as a result, have unrealistic fantasies about their importance in the idol's life. I wonder how many serious marriage proposals Ricky Martin gets from fans who have met him once? I'm willing to bet quite a few. That's all! Have a happy day everyone!! Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 17:56:14 -0500 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: tangents (was re: rant ... post d.c. show) Bridget wrote: > --- "Katrin L. Salyers" > wrote: > > > ...Sleeping on the green couch... > > Sweetie... I *ahem* don't think it was _exactly_ > called the "green" couch... hee hee. And I can't believe we're talking about it *here*! :P ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: 04 Dec 1999 23:35:18 GMT From: hallofeyes@aol.com (Jordan QUSAK) Subject: Re: 12.2.99 review Does anyone remember what songs Sean Altman did? (besides This Ain't Your Town No More..) Did he say anything about a new album? Jordan "My father calls them "grandma's cookies" but grandma's dead"-Matthew Koff "In some ways I think death stuff is often our personal writing crutch. When you run out of ideas, get out the revolver."- John Flansburgh, TMBG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 00:04:01 GMT From: Anvilhell@aol.com Subject: Re: Amherst! Amherst was my first real show of MF (ive seen them open before). But anyway, this was a truly amazing show - PARTICULARLY the improv! Amazing stuff. Among all the wonders that were mentioned : >Half as much, Independence Day, Horseshoes, Pisco Bandito, If Only You Knew, >Sad Girl, I Will Hold On, Johnny Saucep'n, Bargainville, Michigan Militia, Splatter >Splatter BJ, Boo Time and Love Potion #9 stood out as some of the best ive ever heard. Personally, I was praying that they would play Darlington or Psycho Killer but oh well, it was an amazing show. Mike quotes something like, "Glad ya liked it, we didnt go overboard?" Like I said, the imporv was tremendous. Another little tidbit : TOBEY. His eloquent dances and his mean riffs on bass took us aback totally. He's so cool! Oh, hehe and the little prince :) Tobey claims that the lads were sick and tired. If they are capable of stuff like this, i cant even imagine how good they'd be all pumped and healthy. Anyway, if anyone's going to Pawling on Mon, ill cya there! ~Mas aka King of Mushrooms ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 01:31:38 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN >I don't think most (most!) people have been quite as harsh as you've >perceived, Lynne. Yeah, Fruvous shows are *different* from most shows the fact that anyone is this harsh is what concerns me.. >you'd (one'd) go to, where screaming teenage girls (yes!! I'm >generalizing!!! Think "the Beatles" and get over it, please.) cry and >throw their bras at the performers. This has (allegedly) happened at >BNL shows, for example. This wouldn't happen at a Fruvous show. Nor >would the thrashing and moshing that nowadays "This wouldn't happen at a Fruvous show" I don't understand that statement. Why not? It might? Or will the "dirty lookers" and "talk under your breath-ers" get to us all before it happens? <-sorry a little sarcastic, but seriously.. >Will one survive if he/she goes to a show not knowing the etiquette? Of >course. But they will get a number of weird looks, and yeah, maybe a >slap on the wrist (I'm again thinking of the battery person) if they do >something that's out of line. As would a black/african america person in a place with no black/african american people. My issue is thatpeople who have no right to create "the rules" and people who just assume "the rules" are giving others a hard time.. or dirty looks. I have a problem with this. The conversation came down to telling people how to enjoy their show. (sing-don't sing if youre gonna do thisor that, stand here or there) >also non-folk, generally) shows. So many people lack common courtesy, >it's not even funny. It might be acceptable at other bands' shows, but >it certainly isn't at Fruvous shows. And they're not alone, either. Our (not just you and I the general populations) definitions of courtesy vary. >Would you go to (say) a classical music show and start whistling or >humming in the middle of a piece? Or go to a sit-down Iron Horse show >and all of a sudden decide to start moshing? Fruvous is not a "bar >band," although they may appear that way, I guess. I dunno.. doubt it. WOuld I sing at a fruvous show.. or possibly sway the "Wrong way" during the drinking song... probably. Can I handle the dirty looks, sure. Will it make me stop? Probably not All I'm saying to "some" people is relax.. and stop letting other people ruin your show. - -lynne ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 1999 02:21:05 GMT From: Alanna Subject: Re: Behavior during opening acts. cookie wrote: : I'd like to apologize for my friend, Eli, who was in attendance. : Actually, I'm not aware that he did anything improper (and he didn't : mention anything to me other than the fact that he really enjoyed the : show and converted yet another friend.) However, just to be on the safe : side--I want you to know that he didn't mean to do whatever it was that : he might have done. :-) Well, a lot of the people who were there were perfectly polite and respectful -- considerate of the band and the other fans. But on the whole, I'd have to say that of the 6 Frushows I've attended so far, this was the rudest bloody audience I've ever seen. I'm sure your friend was one of the polite and respectful ones. ^_^ - --D - -- Denise Paolucci * alanna@cybernothing.org "A new world is open to you now. Watch out for snakes." --Milo's advice to an FF7 player who has just left Midgar http://www.cybernothing.org/~alanna/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:08:33 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there.... murmbeetle@my-deja.com (the *other* Miriam/Maryam :-) writes: > My friend Ronnen warmed to them immediately, his > all-time favorite album being "b" &, strangely enough, his all-time favorite > song being "Big Fish". Strangely, because as an American I've been told > enough times how Canada-centric that song is & how I couldn't possibly get > it > enough to enjoy it. Personally, I've always loved Big Fish; it's one of my favorite b album songs. I also always thought I "understood it," and never even considered it to be Canada-centric, etc. After all, there's that pleasant little "new mayor of Toronto" explanation in the liners. We have many of the same problems and social dilemmas here in America as are discussed in this supposedly "soley Canadian" song that can purportedly only be understood by Americans! Sure ... peace, - -a very suspicious maryam- "come on, mother" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 02:47:25 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: remembered some other stuff...kinda long...but not really Just another few things I was thinking about that happened at Amherst. People already mentioned the little prince, and Tobey. Both were awesome, and the little prince was getting into his strut pretty good. Other things, don't remember how but they got started talking about Mike's anniversary. That is, his WEEKLY anniversary. Very amusing. And there was a little bit on different types of bosses, with Jian as the employee. Mike, Dave, and Murray played bosses 1, 2, and 3 or a, b, and c. :) Very amusing, but kinda hard to describe. (Anyone who was there, I liked Murray's best. Ghomeshi, cell blah..Don't MOVE, Mr. Ghomeshi. some other stuff...Drop and give me 20, Ghomeshi. 20 what, sir? Pushups. Right here, in front of you? Someone in the audience yelled do it!! to the pushup part.) Someone was holding up a bottle of Moxie for awhile and one of the guys commented on it. Things I loved about this concert over the one I saw last year: Stage, lower. Me, closer to it. :) I knew more of the songs this year and more about the guys. I sang along to most of the songs, though rather quietly. :) One thing that was really cool were their smiles. Some of the smiles that just say they love what they do. Caught Jian's eye once (he has pretty eyes...I love eyes.) while I was singing and watching his facial expressions and drum playing, he kinda smiled. Spivey. They seemed to have quite a bit of energy, particularly Jian and Mike. Dave and Murray didn't say a heck of a lot compared to Jian and Mike but what they did say was hilarious. Jian mentioned a group of women protestors at UMass trying to get better campus security and how that was a really good thing. He said that a few years ago in Canada a guy shot a bunch of women and it was a good thing that people were trying to get improved security. He said he used to do that, and someone yelled What, shoot women? He said no, improve security and said that wasn't a very funny joke and continued. Well. I hope I don't forget stuff considering I probably won't get to see them again til NEXT year..Although, does anyone know if the Iron Horse is sold out? Probably. Also, did anyone tape that concert? More specifically, anyone I could ask to make a tape for me? :) - -------------> Ln, happy fruhead maybe about to sink into post-concert depression. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:43:40 -0500 From: Luella Benn Subject: Amherst Review(long) Thanks to the overwhelming kindness of a fellow fruhead who didn't even have a ticket to attend the show (Thank you Jake), I arrived at Amherst just as the lads took the stage. >From Dave's set list: 1/2 Horse BJ If Only Medicine Boyf. Indy Sad Boss Pisco Booty Michi Splatter Ash Hold Tureen Sauce KingGEH Potion - ----------- Video - ----------- Lose That Drinking [Note: KingGEH & Lose That Girl where never actually performed- whether this was due to Dave's sickness or the *incredible* improvs is undetermined] Banter highlights: - -- Since there was no-one to open for them the lads picked a young boy from the audience to do it. Jian pulls this boy up to the stage and as he's telling him what to say the boy is like "Yeah, yeah whatever I got it covered", and he just belted out "Ladies and Gentlemen: Moxie Fruvous". - -- Before If Only Jian says something about how at the NY shows earlier in the week people had been whining to him about not being able to get tix for the Amherst show. And because of it being such an intimate venue (200 capacity according to Tobey) that the unmarried members of the group, like Mike, thought that it might be a good night to meet their future spouses. U-Mass Amherst obviously being the place to meet intelligent, attaractive, educated, *rich* people. Jian asks Mike something about him agreeing and Mike answers "Well, I met my wife on a Friday." To which Murray replies, "Tonite's a Friday, so it's your anniversary of sorts." Mike: "Hey, honey I was do you know what day it is. No? It's our weekly anniversary." - -- A very long tangent about the protests that had been staged at U-MASS schools earlier in the month to protest outbreaks of violence on campus. Murray's "Go U-MASS!" - -- The examples of three different different kinds of bosses before Boss. Murray: "I want you to drop and give me twenty." Jian: "Twenty what?" Murray: (with that ' what an idiot look on his face') "Twenty push-ups" from *somewhere* in the audience: "Do it!" - -- Jian commenting on how this crowd was his favorite crowd in a while. I can only shake my head and wonder what drugs the boy was on... Nobody was moving, at least 1/3 of the room knew none of the words. I dunno, maybe it was better towards the front, but Debs and I were stuck in the back where our (specifically my) dancing was blatantly stared at and made fun of at least once. - -- Before splatter the differences between Americans and Canadians banter. Americans love those gory-bloody horror movies. "And we're glad you do." - -- After Splatter Mike continues the conversation about the differences between Americans and Canadians. Some banter about how it's becoming more acceptable to admit to having smoked marijuana in the US, but it's still taboo. A story about the Prime Minister of Canada who admitted to smoking up often. Mikes impression of said Prime Minister upon entering the country and being being barraged by reporters about wether or not he had ever smoked marijuana-- (all wide eyed and porper sounding) "In Canada?" ==> Jian's discussion of how his Middle Eastern family gets together on the holidays and how the opium they do gets the conversations going ==> Ash Hash - -- Jian before IWHO "Here's a love song from our new album Thornhill." And that was it. Say what???? Improv Highlights: - -- When they pulled the same boy from the begining of the show back up to the stage. Something about "The little prince" and how the little prince was like Alice in Wonderland and on mushrooms. Dave: "*Sitting* on a mushroom, of course." Mike: "Tobey, can we get the boy a giant mushroom?" This kid was incredible he strutted across that stage like nothing I've ever seen before: Jian better watch out or this kid just might take his place as biggest ham on stage. - -- The jam with Tobey. My god! That man can work the bass; I was impressed. No really, f*cking amazing... and later (maybe during bootime?) "Fruvous plus Tobey is the buttermilk five") - -- The "another bites the dust" improv -- or whatever that would be called -- that seemed to have replaced King/GEH. I can't believe they played that. The lads seemed really into the music and really into the crowd, but it was obvious that they weren't feeling very well. Musically the show wasn't nearly as tight as normal. Dave barely said a word all night. I found their perpetual mock Brittish accents to be highly entertaining though. A few personal highlights: * I got my first ever set list; due only to the fact that nobody in the crowd seemed at all interested in retrieving them post show; I snagged Murray's to give to Deb also. * The look on the faces of the girls who had been standing behind us and making fun of Deb and I, when between songs Tobes locked me into a bearhug lifting me off the ground and swung me around. Heh! * Tobey on the bass; Rock On Tobes! * ^kat^'s "Sexiest Man Alive" magazine cover. Girlfriend; I would *love* a copy of that. * Being hit on the shoulder with a sharpie... to the guilty party I say only that there is another letter forthcoming, just wait. I've never written a review before because I thought that I could not possibly find enough to say. And now maybe I've said too much. But I hope that at least some of you have enjoyed reading this, and if I get enough positive feedback maybe I'll even try it again sometime... - --luella ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:25:19 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Amherst Review(long) I was dancing a lot. My friend Aaron said he felt weird because a few people around him were singing, but he didn't know any words, except to King of Spain. (He's new to Fruvous. :) I was near the front and there wasn't a lot of dancing or singing their either. ::shrug:: <^kat^'s "Sexiest Man Alive" magazine cover.> Say what? (considering I didn't meet Kat.) Okay, I'm really done now. Just that I get so excited about seeing a show and it happens so rarely. :) Imagine if I ever get to meet them, lol.. - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:30:00 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: remembered some other stuff...kinda long...but not really as "---------->Ln" most excellently noted: > ust another few things I was thinking about that happened at Amherst. People > already mentioned the little prince, and Tobey. Both were awesome, and the > little prince was getting into his strut pretty good. Oh, he was genius. That little man could have run the show on his own. But what was the "mushroom"?? > Other things, don't > remember how but they got started talking about Mike's anniversary. That is, Mike mentioned that it was Friday night . "You know, my wife and I met on a Friday." This all had something to do with Mike being married and no one else in the band knowing what it was like to be similarly attached. Which they thought was . . . good . . . ! > his WEEKLY anniversary. Very amusing. And there was a little bit on > different > types of bosses, with Jian as the employee. Mike, Dave, and Murray played > bosses 1, 2, and 3 or a, b, and c. :) Very amusing, but kinda hard to > describe. (Anyone who was there, I liked Murray's best. Ghomeshi, cell > blah..Don't MOVE, Mr. Ghomeshi. some other stuff...Drop and give me 20, > Ghomeshi. 20 what, sir? Pushups. Right here, in front of you? Someone in the > audience yelled do it!! to the pushup part.) Oh, there was Dave as the forgetful boss, and Mike as the flattering boss, or vice versa. Jian received his Chrismas cup. How generous. But Murray's *was* the funniest. You forget - Murray is God. > Someone was holding up a bottle of Moxie for awhile and one of the guys > commented on it. I must say that this is probably *the* most disgusting drink that ever has, does, or ever will exist. (As Jian noted, notably. :) I picked some of it up on a deserted island in Maine once and nearly threw up. Of course, I *had* to drink it. :) > They seemed to have quite a bit of energy, particularly Jian and Mike. Dave and > Murray didn't say a heck of a lot compared to Jian and Mike but what they did say > was hilarious. See, the thing is, Murray does talk. And he is often funny. But strangely . . . no one seems to hear him. Or maybe it's just a massive conspiracy - - - > Jian mentioned a group of women protestors at UMass trying to get better > campus security and how that was a really good thing. He said that a few > years ago in Canada a guy shot a bunch of women and it was a good thing that > people were trying to get improved security. He said he used to do that, and > someone yelled What, shoot women? He said no, improve security and said that > wasn't a very funny joke and continued. In fact, he said that the date of the anniversary of that (or something associated with it) is December sixth, so those of you who are going to Pawling might hear further details on the issue. > Well. I hope I don't forget stuff considering I probably won't get to see > them again til NEXT year..Although, does anyone know if the Iron Horse is > sold out? Probably. Also, did anyone tape that concert? More specifically, > anyone I could ask to make a tape for me? :) I spied two tall mikes at an outpost in the back near the soundboard. But I don't know what's up with the taping. If indeed it happened, I'd dearly love a copy. The improvs are to die for. peace, - -mm- "as soon as you're born you start dying, so you might as well have a good time" ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1999 03:35:41 GMT From: cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104) Subject: PA Mike Wood fan club I uh...I for one think it's a GRAND idea... PA Mike Wood ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1999 03:32:34 GMT From: cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104) Subject: Re: Picture Time! Pittsburg Show! Hey man..I'd love to see them all...I was at that show and it was a blast! Michael Wood ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1999 03:31:41 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: What an evening!!!!! (LONG!!) Cheryl... >"I'm still learning things I ought to know by now"--Vertical Horizon VH!!!!! I. Love. Them. Loooooove them! Angel ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1999 03:36:56 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: A Fruvous show is like sex in that... there's a good chance that certain people in the crowd have had the experience with certain other people in the same crowd before... *grin* Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:55:53 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Amherst Review(long) > <^kat^'s "Sexiest Man Alive" magazine cover.> > > Say what? (considering I didn't meet Kat.) *^kat^* was there? Geez, I didn't get to pay my proper "thank-you"'s. Well, thanx a bunch anyhoo. I had no idea... peace, - -mm- still confused ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1999 03:57:06 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: ot: VH ok, kids, it's Christmas list time. And as I'm sure many of you have also taken to doing, I've discovered many of my now favorite bands right here on this little spot of the modem-connected world (Guster-- love 'em; Great Big Sea-- love 'em; Gomez-- awesome; and that's only the "g"s ;-) Anyway, this vertical horizon outfit has me intrigued, so what's the best album of theirs to start with? ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1999 04:58:29 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Fruvous as Jazz It all of a sudden hit me at the other day. The lads incorporate many genres of music in their work. Jazz isn't one of them, but their comedy is pure Jazz. One Frulad starts a theme, another then picks it up and does some riffs on it. They pass it around, each doing their solos and playing off each other, No one knows where its going but it's fun getting there. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #998 ********************************************