From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #984 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 984 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Please help me with a song [thekingotv@aol.com (Paul Goebel)] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN ["Novac" ] Re: Least Favorite Song? ["Novac" ] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN ["Novac" ] Re: A question for the american fans out there.... ["Novac" ] Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN ["Stephanie Hodges" ] Re: NYC shows - meeting people there! :) ["^kat^" ] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [Katrin@optelnow.net (Katrin L. Salyers] Re: "sports" [The Flying Squirrel ] Collingswood Car Disaster [ScarletB23@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Song? [dmandeluxe@aol.com (Dmandeluxe)] Re: A question for the american fans out there... ["Veronika Berchtold" <] Fw: A question for the american fans out there.... ["Kathleen Cain" ] Re: this american life [Chad Maloney ] Re: "sports" [navratil@moonpatrol.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Joe Navratil)] Re: Green Eggs and Ham MP3 ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: A Fruvous show is like sex in that... [brian tivol ] Re: "sports" [Chad Maloney ] Re: "sports" ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: A question for the american fans out there.... [Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Ross Hendry wrote in message > You say you're a relatively new fan so please, celebrate a gig how you > want to, not how everyone else says you should. Erm, I see where you're coming from...just don't take flash photography :) - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:22:45 -0500 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Song? Ellen wrote in message > > Allrighty then, here goes: where did you get YOUR copy of Live Noise?? > > peace, > ellen (b/c mine doesn't have IMS on it... ;) Heh, whoops. Originally, I was looking through and decided between Incred Med Show and I've Gotta Get a Message to You for YWGM. Then, I thought about Live Noise, and figured I'd pick Message, mostly because I didn't like it on YWGM. After some consideration, I decided to drop Message from YWGM since I really did like it at times, and I did like it more than Incred Med Show. Then, going back to Live Noise, I remembered that I was gonna pick the same thing, forgetting that I had dropped Message from it. There, now you have a peek into how my mind works...scared yet? - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:25:35 -0500 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [pay close attention to 'forward arrows' here]: Mike Yoshioka wrote in message news:XYx04.4 > Novac wrote in message <81pmje$opg$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... > >Cassiel104 wrote in message > >> Well, the thing is, dearest, those that do not agree, or those that sat > Was the 'dearest' part meant to be biting and sarcastic and mean? Or is that > simply your nature? :) Just to note that I didn't write it, but Cassie did. [Note: If *I* had written it, it would have been biting and sarcastic and mean :) But, alas, I didn't, so it wasn't.] > Heh, I completely agree with Novac here. The initial post sure sounded like > it was meant to hurt somebody, not to advise everybody. Yes, point and case. - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:34:27 -0500 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there.... Paul Andrew Arbour wrote in message > I wonder how american fans find the fruvous quille? > It is obvious that you probably can't understand most of the songs from > the early years, "You probably can't understand most of the songs from the early years???" Hrmph! Using that logic, I'm sure you Canadians probably can't understand "The Greatest Man in America" or "Michigan Militia"! Hrmph. - --Novac...Americans have brains, y'know ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:30:41 -0500 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: "sports" ^kat^ wrote in message >however, of late jian seems to be usurping dave's prerogative & > saying "that's my wish again..." ahead of dave, at the "album" position. > and at one of the shows i saw recently (somerville? keswick?), dave didn't > even say the line at all--just jian. > poor dave. he needs to assert himself a bit more. I think Jian just enjoys singing a whole bunch, and gets caught up. I'm surprised that we can't pick him up more often singing other people's lines :) - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:10:48 GMT From: "Stephanie Hodges" Subject: Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Kevin the wooer of fishgirls ;) says: >tell her what she's WON, Johnny!! Yep, fishgirl == fawning fangirl, and >is generally a condescending remark to refer to those who care more about >the body of a celebrity than the work of the celebrity. it's slightly >more cynical than simply being a starstruck female. Ooh, I win something? Schweeet. ^_^ Hope it's a ticket to FrüCon. Frunique the insane chyk who used to drool over Jian then Dave until she realized she was acting like a moron and found herself a real shagadelic boyfriend one week before FrüCon 2 so she didn't do TOO many foolish things in Toronto and now brags that since she's turned 20 she's not a teenager anymore. Nyah. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:02:55 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: NYC shows - meeting people there! :) yay jordan for starting this thread! i'm gonna be there too, and you can find a picture of me here: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/4014/katsch.html i dare say the second picture is a better match for the way my hair looks (i've since seen the light & have sworn off using my hairdryer), but i'm definitely not that tan anymore (the picture was taken days after falconridge). i'll be there with my friend vid, a tall indian guy. he's not a fruhead--but he hasn't seen them live yet. *grin* i'll have an ammf button someplace, too, so that'll be a clue. and if you don't say hi to me, i'll probably start talking to you. :) god, i'm living & breathing fruvous anymore. thank heavens they're back in the northeast-- ^kat^ "the streets are paved with diamonds, and there's just so much to see..." http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:22:12 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Luella Benn wrote : <> luella, thank you. that was amazingly well said & encompassed all the uncomfortability i've been feeling in reading this thread. there really *is* a stigma attached to being a fan of jian. it's almost as if the *real* fruheads are "beyond" that stage of fandom, that only the "screaming teenage girls" can be a fan of jian. granted, the "fishgirls" (and i find it amusing that the original person to post that term hasn't even responded to our discussion about it yet) do seem to gravitate toward him, but i believe luella was right in attributing it toward his innate sociability. i can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times i've seen all the lads come out after a show, but i don't think i've seen a show yet (going on 17 now) where jian didn't circulate and greet people after the show. that kind of loyalty to followers of the band would certainly breed devotion in new fans, even if older, more seasoned fruheads are jaded by his long line for a conversation. i fear the fishgirls as much as anyone else on this newsgroup seems to, but i believe a distinction should be made between fans of jian and *worshippers* of jian. one is a matter of personal preference. the other is poor etiquette. let me say it shamelessly: jian is my favourite frulad. and you can bet i'll be waiting in line to talk to him after the show tomorrow night. ^kat^ "what makes a person so poisonous righteous that they think less of anyone who just disagrees?" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:48 -0700 From: Katrin@optelnow.net (Katrin L. Salyers) Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN In article <81vn6p$1urc$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, jesmore@prodigy.net says... > Just to note that I didn't write it, but Cassie did. And I think that's "Cassiel" - a.k.a. Michael (not Mikey) Wood. BTW Michael, I like that handle. k@ "I can't see you, compadre, but I know you're there" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:34:21 GMT From: The Flying Squirrel Subject: Re: "sports" On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:30:41 -0500, "Novac" wrote: >I think Jian just enjoys singing a whole bunch, and gets caught up. I'm >surprised that we can't pick him up more often singing other people's lines >:) >--Novac I have noticed Jian mouthing the words or possibly even quietly singing along with the lead whenever he's not singing a part of his own. Sarah the Flying Squirrel "Discarded pizza boxes are an inexpensive source of cheese" -Herb Powell, "The Simpsons" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:44:16 GMT From: ScarletB23@aol.com Subject: Collingswood Car Disaster Hi all it's after 2:00am and I guess I just needed to express my anguish of tonight disaster. The day had been going well. My boss was actual letting me leave work early so that I could drive from NYC to the show. I couldn't believe my goodluck. I was all psyched since I had a seat in row1, what more could one want. Well, I got out of Manhattan fine. Not too much traffic even throught the tunnel. So I driving down the NJ Turnpike and just before exit 8 my car starts knocking really loudly. I begin praying that it just something not too bad. I actually make it to the next rest stop and have the gas station guys look at my car. Of course, it's not good. They tell me it a rod loose in my moter and that continuing to drive it my ruin my car. Sadly, I know that making the show now is not an option and I spent the rest of my Fruvousless evening get my car towed home to Long Island. Thank goodness for triple A despite that they take forever to get there. The only thing that keep me sane as I waited for the tow truck was that I seeing Fruvous both nights in NYC this week and I can take the the train. Please if anyone taped this show I would love to get a copy since I could make it there in person. I would be much it debt. Atleast I could listen to my missed show :( Hope that this never happens to any other traveling Fruhead, since this is about the worst traveling hell. (I guess I be renting a car to actually get to Albany this weekend and hopefully I have better traveling luck.) Peace and thanks for letting me vent, Anita (most undoubtly a Sad Girl tonight) "Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of place if you look at it right." - The Grateful Dead ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 08:27:43 GMT From: dmandeluxe@aol.com (Dmandeluxe) Subject: Re: Least Favorite Song? Wow. To me, "When She Talks" is a great piece of underproduction. Of all the Jian tracks, this one works the best for me. Beautifully written, performed, and understated all the way thru. Sure it's a softball tune, but sure isn't Phil Collins (thank GOD.) My least favourite track is easy to pin down. "Half As Much" just completely misses for me. It just begs to be a hit single, but (to me) lacks any real memorable hook. I'm real disappointed that they've been beating it to death (on 'XPN, anyway) as the breakout single from the album. Oh well..... Not that I have much room to talk. It would rake a nanosecond to count my ZERO hit records. Michael D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:14:02 GMT From: "Veronika Berchtold" Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there... Wouldn't that say that the guys are no real Canadians either? Veronika| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:37:52 GMT From: "Kathleen Cain" Subject: Fw: A question for the american fans out there.... >So basically... being a true canadian, and by that I one that DIDN'T grow >up in Vancouver, Montreal, or Southern Ontario.... I wonder how american >fans find the fruvous quille? >It is obvious that you probably can't understand most of the songs from >the early years, or even those from the last few albums, such as Big >Fish, or River Valley.. >do you skip over these songs, and say to hell with it? or do you listen >to them, just for the musical genius? Living in Minnesota, I consider myself a good translater of Canadian, so if anyone else in the U.S. has any problems with this complicated language (and its references), please let me know and I will attempt to help. All kidding aside, I'm interested in the comment that its "obvious" that Americans can't understand most of the songs from the early years, etc..... Why do you find it obvious? Do we stand at shows with confused looks on our faces, silently mouthing the words searching for their meaning? Enquiring minds want to know. : ) Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:51:53 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Fruheads: An Open letter of Apology In a message dated Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:04:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Donna Hunt writes: > I'm sitting here in my apartment, eating the pumpkin pie [1] I bought Wed. with > the intention of bringing it to have in line for an US Turkey Day celebratory > thing... but alas, I forgot. I still have not had pumpkin pie!! I will never forgive you!! HAHA :) >>that I'm thinking of you, celebrating Thanksgiving late, and love all of you just as much > as you would think I did if I had remembered the pie. Thanks for being part of my Thanksgiving. DITTO CHICA!! xxoo Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:39:10 -0500 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Collingswood Show -- Review Just wanted to embarass that fan by pointing out that it was Kevin "Way to Go" Way, who rocks the party that rocks the body - and I was the woman in the dunce cap who applauded for him. It was a birthday hat, BTW. As Michelle Tanner once said, "Happy Birfday to me!" :) ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:18:28 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: this american life rv@tankgirl.ultranet.com wrote: > I'll listen to the show when I get a chance. I love the program, and I > even I think I heard this one when it first aired, and enjoyed it a > lot. I believe that TAL also used some BNL music for incidental filler > ("Lovers in a Dangerous Time"(?) or something like that) too. This episode of This American Life you guys are talking about it pretty good. I think it talks about spotting Canadians amongst us for a bit and I recall a piece about Canadians calling the Space Shuttle "The American Space Shuttle with the Canadian Built Arm" which was pretty entertaining. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:37:07 GMT From: navratil@moonpatrol.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Joe Navratil) Subject: Re: "sports" ^kat^, who hasn't been seen at a midwest show in far too long ;-), wrote: > >Carey Farrell inquired: >>And while we're at it, what does Jian mumble during the instrumental part of >>"Michigan Militia" (before "That's my wish again . . .") I noticed it during >>the 9:30 show and couldn't make out what he was saying. > >well, i noticed when _live noise_ first came out that dave said "that's my >wish again..." a couple beats later on the live version than the studio >version. Well, yeah, Jian now sings Dave's line at the timethat Dave sang it on the album, and Dave (usually) echoes it in the next bar to lead into the chorus -- but what I'd like to know (and what Carey was asking, I think -- I could be wrong) is what Jian is saying *before* that line. There're about eight bars (sorry, I don't have a copy with me to check) of lyrics directly before "That's my wish again..." that Jian mumbles to himself, usually while shaking his head with the beat. My initial thought was that he was just singing the rhythm to himself or saying the "That's my wish again..." line over a few times quietly before singing it full out, but it really doesn't look like that at all to me. And I'm really curious as to what it actually is :-) -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:44:51 -0500 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Green Eggs and Ham MP3 >Does anyone have it? if so, can you email it to me? or post a link here. Hey Kyle. Glad to see that you enjoy the song :). Anyway, I thought I'd just mention for the hell of it that we really don't promote the trading of MP3s around here, mostly because the band doesn't really endorse it. I know that there are arguments about the relative value of MP3s as ways to get music out there and how they're a more accessible way to spread live music and hard-to-find stuff . . . but the band has pretty much made it clear that they're not fond of the MP3 across the board. However, if you mosey over to www.fruhead.com, you'll find a list of tapers most of whom have the indie tape that the song is found on and most of whom are totally newbie friendly who would gladly dub it for you, probably with some filler 'cause Frütapers are *just that cool*. That way you'd have five songs, not just one, you'd be honoring the band's deepest wishes, and you wouldn't be wasting unecessary space on your hard drive! Now doesn't that sound better than just downloading a nasty ol' MP3 :) ? ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 10:20:49 -0500 From: brian tivol Subject: Re: A Fruvous show is like sex in that... "Aye, who's asking whom?" writes: > Okay, I've done my job -- that is, I've played my part. > Who's next? ...someone behind you will start shouting out "King of Spain!" - --brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:21:02 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: "sports" Carey Farrell wrote: > > And while we're at it, what does Jian mumble during the instrumental part of > "Michigan Militia" (before "That's my wish again . . .") I noticed it during > the 9:30 show and couldn't make out what he was saying. > I've tried to figure this one out a bit at shows when they play Michigan Militia, but haven't recognized it. My first thought was that is sounded a lot like the Bobby Brown song from the Ghostbusters II soundtrack. "Too hot to handle, too cold to hold We call the Ghostbusters and they're in control" Or something like that. Of course it isn't that, but hell, that'll fit *grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:16:27 -0500 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: "sports" >I think Jian just enjoys singing a whole bunch, and gets caught up. I'm >surprised that we can't pick him up more often singing other people's lines >:) Heh. Last night he appeared on stage to do his opening turn and started an extended story about Starbucks. A lot of audience members felt the need to make comments even before he started talking. "How come when *I* come out here there's all kinds of heckling?!" :) ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:45:59 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there.... Paul Andrew Arbour wrote: > > So basically... being a true canadian, and by that I one that DIDN'T grow > up in Vancouver, Montreal, or Southern Ontario.... I wonder how american > fans find the fruvous quille? By quille, I'm guessing you don't mean Quill and rather mean something like reportoire (or however you spell that). Well, a lot of the earlier earlier stuff they just don't do anymore. It was pretty much too timely and Toronto-centric. By earlier I mean the Bargainville era stuff that filled out the shows before they had enough albums. Songs like Harbourmall and Canada We Love You. Some of them they still do, usually surrounded by explanations if they are playing the song somewhere where people may not get it. Marion Fruvous is a good example. Or Cross-border Shopping. For Marion Fruvous, they spend a couple minutes explaining Loblaw's, Equinox, blue boxes, the Don, etc before launching into the intro to the song. For Cross-border Shopping, they pretty much only play it in Buffalo where people know what Tonawanda, Cheektowaga, and News 4 are. When the band decides it appropriate to play one of these more Canadian or Toronto oriented songs, they usually take the time to set the song up so people who are listening won't spend the time going "Who the hell is Peter Mansbridge". > It is obvious that you probably can't understand most of the songs from > the early years, or even those from the last few albums, such as Big > Fish, or River Valley. I don't quite understand how that is obvious. I'd guess that for most people, the Canadian politics doesn't hit as close to home as people who live in the middle of it. Oh, and "last few albums" would be Thornhill (1999) and You Will Go To the Moon (1997) not Bargainville (1993) and "b" (1996). > do you skip over these songs, and say to hell with it? or do you listen > to them, just for the musical genius? Personally, I'd love to hear older one shot songs like Harbourmall or Canada We Love You. I agree I may not truly "get it", but I'd enjoy it. I think a lot of people here on the newsgroup would agree that Moxy Fruvous has really heightened the awareness for many many fans of happenings in Canada. To me, this is important to both the band and to Canada itself really. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:45:19 GMT From: mroats@aol.com (Mr Oats) Subject: Fruvous Videos I really want a copy of all the videos that they have made. I know that you could get some of them if you had gone to 12 shows with the fruhead card. But dose anyone know where, and/or how to get a copy of the videos now? Or if anyone has them and is willing to copy them for me? Peace, Love, Diggety WACK!, Mr Oats mroats@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:54:01 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there.... Kathleen Cain wrote: >>I consider myself a good translater of Canadian, so if anyone else in the U.S. has any problems with this complicated language (and its references), please let me know and I will attempt to help. << Kathleen, sign me up for your course. I actually thought I understood those songs, so I must be really confused. :-) melanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:14:09 GMT From: Queen Lisa Subject: Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN In article <3843488F.3CC8D0B3@hotmail.NOSPAM.com>, "MJ (truztno1)" wrote: > I know that many "adult" FruHeads aren't picking on us teens on purpose, > but for those occasions that DO seem to arise, may I say, "Well put, QLOS!" > ? > > I agree that these occasions (with "fishgirls") probably occur frequently > of late, but could we just tone down all these generalizations that are (or > have been) flying around? When I first started going to MF shows (1992 or 93), there were MANY fawning girls screaming every time Jian (Jean then) said anything. So for me, "fishgirls" aren't a recent thing. When "Stuck in The 90's" came out and they were on Much Music all the time and it was really cool to like them in Canada, there were many such fans. At the most recent shows I've been to, the crowds have been older and less energetic and fanatical. Both types of crowds, I think, have their advantages and drawbacks. A show with an appreciative, enthusiastic audience with lots of energy is cool, and so is a more thoughtful, subdued one. QLOS > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 16:47:01 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?RnL8dm91cyBvbiBXRlVW?= To those in the NYC listening area. I happened to be listening to WFUV and it was just announced that they will be on tomorrow (that would be Wednesday) afternoon. Sorry but no exact time was given. peace jude "start out straight but i get to meander, i got the aim but i don't have the range" Moxy Fruvous ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 16:53:10 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEZy/HZvdXMgb24gV0ZVVg==?= >To those in the NYC listening area. I happened to be listening to WFUV and >it >was just announced that they will be on tomorrow (that would be Wednesday) >afternoon. Sorry but no exact time was given. > Sorry i take way to much for granted. That would be WFUV 90.7 on your FM dial. once again, peace, jude "start out straight but i get to meander, i got the aim but i don't have the range" Moxy Fruvous ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 08:12:25 -0800 From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Re: Collingswood Car Disaster *EVERYONE'S FINE* In article <0.6809e2aa.2574d831@aol.com>, ScarletB23@aol.com says... > > Hi all it's after 2:00am and I guess I just needed to express my anguish of > tonight disaster. [story of missing the NJ show due to a car break-down deleted...] Okay, maybe it's just me, but when I read a subject line that includes the words "car disaster," I start thinking the worst. With all the travelling we do to follow this band, and meet up with far away friends, maybe an accident is an inevitability. Hopefully not, but I sure wouldn't want to read about it like this. When I was in kindergarden and the school called home about something trivial they would always open the conversation with, "hi, this is so-and-so from Hillcroft school. Jason is fine..." - - Jason jreiser@ecoutez.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #984 ********************************************