From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #983 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 983 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OT: Michael Shelley!? Re: NYC shows - meeting people there! :) [cookie ] Thanksgiving Fruheads: An Open letter of Apology [Donna Hunt ] A Fruvous show is like sex in that... ["Aye, who's asking whom?" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:32:41 -0800 From: cookie Subject: OT: Michael Shelley!? Re: NYC shows - meeting people there! :) tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > A picture of me can be found at: > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3404/jordan.html Sorry to jump MASSIVELY off topic, but I checked out your webpage and noticed you mentioned Michael Shelley as a favorite musician. Which Michael Shelley do you mean? Are you referring to the Michael Shelley *I* know? Is he from LA? Does he play occasionally with Mike and Dave from Baby Lemonade, or is this an entirely different Michael Shelley? I'm just terribly intrigued to find out if he has more of a following than I'm aware of. (Sometimes I feel like I live in a high-powered vacuum.) Cookie For Kathleen (Yes. I called you "Kathleen"): The Dave I'm referring to is Dave Green! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:00:38 GMT From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: Amherst again..sorry! > Hey...okay, does anyone know where specifically the concert is on Friday and > how I get there? I know how to get to Amherst College and fortunately so does > my ride (yay!) but uh, where do we go from there? Thanks! It's in the Keefe Student Center, a yellowish building on a hillside. To get there by car, go in the main entrance of the college (on Route 116 right near the intersection of Routes 9 and 116), go straight, then go 3/4 of the way around the square and turn right. This will be as if you went straight from the main entrance, but the square is one way so you can't go directly down the short end. Anyway, after you have turned right, you'll go down the hill, and the student center is on your right. There's a plaza in front of the building with a low hip wall around it. Park wherever you can, I guess. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:37:47 -0500 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Thanksgiving Fruheads: An Open letter of Apology Hey hey, to all y'all who hung out in the Great White North during or shortly after Thanksgiving. I'm sitting here in my apartment, eating the pumpkin pie [1] I bought Wed. with the intention of bringing it to have in line for an US Turkey Day celebratory thing... but alas, I forgot. But, I wanted you all to know (Trace, Lori, Steve, Lawrence, Angie, Amanda, Lisa, Paul, Andrea, Dante, Susan, and, whoever else I'm forgetting) that I'm thinking of you, celebrating Thanksgiving late, and love all of you just as much as you would think I did if I had remembered the pie. Thanks for being part of my Thanksgiving. And not to slight all the beautiful Canadians with whom I spent inordinate amounts of time with this weekend... but I'm not sure y'all care about the pumpkin pie. :) I think "Bed and Breakfast" may have overshadowed the pumpkin pie anyway. :) [I was *there*!] ciao, donna ~one of those people who breaks the laws of time and space to see Fruvous over 3,000 times a year--but refuses to believe that I frighten 4 grown men from Toronto. [1] I just got back from a roadtrip, man! There's nothing else to eat! ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 03:12:19 GMT From: cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104) Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Oh well, the underwear thing..i do it too, so let's not get hasty : ) Y'all started having an INTELLIGENT discussion and it's all because of ME! MEEE! MINE MINE MINE! AHH HAHAHAHAHAAAAA I AM THE DEVIL! or...maybe not. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 1999 03:02:05 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there... HEY!!!!! TTTHHHHPPPFFFFTTTT!!!! ;P Only those from areas other than Vancouver, Montreal, or southern Ontario are real Canadians? Since when?! :) Veronica (only partially insulted on behalf of all of us from Southern Ontario) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones; | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:24:15 GMT From: "Angela Anuszewski" Subject: RE: A question for the american fans out there.... We have river valleys too here in the US - they made a point in Rochester to mention the Genesee. And although I don't know Mike, I know the kind of person he is. I listen to them all the time. As sorta new to Fru, I am more curious about Jenny Washington (a Jerry Springer type I guess) and just who Mary Lane is supposed to be. Angela - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ammf@fruvous.com [mailto:owner-ammf@fruvous.com]On Behalf Of Paul Andrew Arbour Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 9:56 PM To: ammf@fruvous.com Subject: A question for the american fans out there.... So basically... being a true canadian, and by that I one that DIDN'T grow up in Vancouver, Montreal, or Southern Ontario.... I wonder how american fans find the fruvous quille? It is obvious that you probably can't understand most of the songs from the early years, or even those from the last few albums, such as Big Fish, or River Valley.. do you skip over these songs, and say to hell with it? or do you listen to them, just for the musical genius? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:22:55 -0500 From: "Aye, who's asking whom?" Subject: Re: and now you're paid in full (Ottawa night 1 review) >I should probably say something about La Complainte, but I don't know what to >say... it was nice, but I have no clue what they were singing about. :) Okay, here's the 411 on that. If you want the translation as well as the original words in French, pick them up at fdc. The meaning, on the other hand... ...well, it just doesn't work in English. Just as roknrol is inherently an English-language phenomenon, the works of the chansonnier (folks like Edith Piaf, Gilles Vigneault, and Serge Gainsbourg) fit French perfectly and taste like weak tea in English. We can argue about roknrol's reasons for days (many critics have made their careers on just that). A base-level answer is that rock has a 4/4 beat (one-two-three-four), and each word in the beat is monosyllabic. In many languages, the word for "four" is either two syllables or, like the French "quatre", it has too much sonic tail. You can't run a punk-tune count-off in French without losing the beat. Meanwhile, the francophones of the world have a different concept of love than we have, or so you'd think from their musical topics. La Complainte du phoque en Alaska, for example, is about a seal being glum because his girl has left to work in a circus in the U.S. (which we assume to be the Lower 48). Yup... girl. Not a woman, but his "blonde". This was written in 1974. No excuses about it: Quebecois French is still missing some feminist terminology. Anyway, he cries to himself and dreams of her. To nail it on the head, he trips out on snow blindness and stares at himself. Does he get a day job himself? Does he look for a new local girl? Does he even get off the glacier for ten seconds to scam some fish? Nope. He mopes. The chorus decides to take his side: "It's not worth the pain, just to leave those you love, to go out in the world, and spin a ball on your nose. (There's a line you couldn't do in rock.) "Sure, it makes children laugh, but that laughter won't last, for the children won't laugh when the children have grown." Not worth the pain? Okay, you try poverty in your home town and then try a day job in a big city and tell me which you prefer. Sure, you miss home every once in a while, but the fat pay check and hot action downtown make up for it. Sheesh, what this phoque... er, I mean, seal... needs is a degree. Now, up to this point, you're wondering how I can stay obsessed with this song if I've trashed it like this. It's a catchy song! When Fruvous sing it, they turn the chorus into a luscious, four-part harmony festival! Heck, if I had a recording of the Hallowe'en 1998 version, I'd be exceedingly happier than attending any five concerts could make me because they did it that well. Even the original by Beau Dommage (of which I have two copies) is amazing. It nails that sentiment of loss and pathos so unerringly that I cry. There you go. I first heard the song in May of 1998. The entire crowd at the National Gallery of Canada sang along with Fruvous, and I felt like I'd missed a meeting somewhere. This song, for many Quebeckers, harkens the feeling that they lose a part of themselves every time they speak English. I'm half Sicilian, and while I was born in America (as was my dad, a full Sicilian), I can feel that loss the song discusses. I am a rotten Sicilian, after all: I can't go out in the sun, I can't speak Italian, and I have never been to my homeland. Mind you, I'm also part Scottish and part English, yet I haven't killed myself to avenge my clan. At best, I've celebrated the Dutchman in me by smok... umm, I'm a rotten ethnic. Sure, our seal is a phoque: he sits on his arse, he pines for the past instead of getting on with the day. Still, he has a past. I think it's hardest for Americans to understand this because our relatives came here specificaly to forget their pasts and live in the tasty, wealthy present. It's as if someone were trying to sell you a cruise to the Middle Ages: either you're keen on it before the opportunity, or it will never make sense to you. So, the French lust for things lost and Americans lust for things yet to be had. Is either culture better? Officially, the answer is no. Actually, the answer is more like a synthesis -- revive the loves of the past as we build the future, and we define the culture again and again. So, I got caught up in finding a copy of this song. Eventually, I was singing along when I heard it the fourth time. I hope some of you are interested in this song now. If you'd like to hear the original, there is a downloadable MP3 of it available. (I am not publishing its whereabouts in this article, as it would be unlawful for anyone to download this song as it is to download any unlicensed song. It's also impossible to find a copy in the United States and thus Beau Dommage and their lawyers should be forgiving of this single exercise as it may encourage further legal purchases of their fine catalogue. So, if I were to tell you about a web page at dreamscape dot com under the subdirectory based on the initial of my first name and the whole of my last name, you'd have to type it yourself but you'd get the concept. - -believe it or not, dblando ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:41:03 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: A question for the american fans out there.... Paul Andrew Arbour wrote: > > So basically... being a true canadian, and by that I one that DIDN'T grow > up in Vancouver, Montreal, or Southern Ontario.... I wonder how american > fans find the fruvous quille? > It is obvious that you probably can't understand most of the songs from > the early years, or even those from the last few albums, such as Big > Fish, or River Valley.. I'm so glad the boys have decided to start singing in American now. That Canadian language was a bit difficult to follow in the early recordings. Cookie (Just being a smartass for no real good reason.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:46:24 -0500 From: "MJ (truztno1)" Subject: Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Queen Lisa wrote: > But I digress. I think some of us should give little teenage Fruvous > fans a break. Not all are crazy harmone-driven spazzes. Or stop going > to all ages shows if it's such a big deal. I know that many "adult" FruHeads aren't picking on us teens on purpose, but for those occasions that DO seem to arise, may I say, "Well put, QLOS!" ? I agree that these occasions (with "fishgirls") probably occur frequently of late, but could we just tone down all these generalizations that are (or have been) flying around? The majority of FruTeens are very mature and responsible, as many FruHeads are quick to admit... Just my $.05. ~truztno1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:18:52 GMT From: StarflashJ@aol.com Subject: Re: NYC shows - meeting people there! :) well i plan to be at the NYC shows this week...... next Thursday is my Bday so I figure i will start the celebration a little bit early! I can't wait to see the guys... i will have my AMMF pin w/ me so keep your eyes open for it! Look out for me...... i'm sure i will figure something interesting to stand out! ~*Jen*~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:10:21 -0500 From: Frances Meale Subject: Re: Montreal review lawrence solomon wrote: > and they played Morphee! I couldn't believe this... it was incredible to > watch - Murray and Dave on acoustic guitars, Dave using his finger picks, and > Murray pickless. Mike introduced the song in French and was heckled about his > accent. To be precise someone yelled "Je trouve ça adorable, ton petit accent francais" (I find your little French accent adorable). It was delivered sarcastically and was wholly inappropriate. I think Dave was annoyed by the comment as well, judging by how he responded. I find it interesting that one of the Quebecois' major gripes is about language, and how Canadians in general don't bother to learn French. Yet there was Mike, being conscientious of the Francophone contingent in the audience, and he was mocked. Welcome to Québec. > nuits de reve was about the best I've ever seen it. possibly something to do > with the excellent sound they had going that night. The sound as excellent, and the light show was incredible. It really brought out something extra in the live performance! king of spain with the Canadian intro... I didn't know who some of the people > Jian named were, but the "close!" one was Mike Harris, instead of George W. > Bush. I believe Jean Chretien was mentioned (Prime Minister of Canada) and Lucien Bouchard (Premier Ministre of Quebec). > Gulf War Song off mic was a great closer, although it was a little hard for > them to get started - there was a lot of heckling and a bunch of people > shouting for the Drinking Song. Jian then, speaking in French, promised The > Drinking Song for the next night... they finally got started and everyone was > quiet during it. I believe it was Mike speaking again in French, explaining that the acoustics of The Cabaret were perfect for an a capella song, which seemed to calm the crowd. > um, I can't remember much else... there was quite a bit of heckling, but for > the most part the audience was well behaved... I think it's one of the best shows I've ever attended! The songs were beautifully performed, the venue was excellent, and the band seemed to be having a great time. Murray seemed a little quiet though. À la prochain! FM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:04:39 -0500 From: "Aye, who's asking whom?" Subject: A Fruvous show is like sex in that... Before I start, I love seeing the sundry "somebody else wrote this" symbols that appear in long Usenet strings. A simple set of quotation marks would do the job, but instead... well, look at these: >: >A Fruvous concert is like sex, see. If it's done >: >right, nothing >: >will ever surpass the first time... >: >: Don't you mean: a fruvous concert is like sex... even >: if it's bad it's still pretty damn good!! > > Well, that's not actually what I meant in this particular case, >though it certainly is true enough. I'm certain we could assemble >a long list of reasons why Fruvous concerts are like sex, though, >and have us a high old time in the process to boot. > > In fact, were I not a recently decloaked lurker who really was >planning on returning to lurker status, I'd suggest a *newer* new >thread- Why Fruvous concerts are like sex. > > Umm... let's see, besides the two above... Well... > > (and take all of these examples with a grain of ;) > >* A Fruvous concert is like sex: it's more fun with other people. > >* A Fruvous concert is like sex: it's a lot harder to get if you're >not old enough to legally hang out in bars. > >* A Fruvous concert is like sex: you spend a lot of time thinking >about Murray. (Or Jian, if you're like my ex-SO. Boy, would Kam >have freaked when Jian visited the Stage Murray balcony to see >the opening act incognito.) > >... and others, in even more dubious taste. I'll leave it to any >regular a.m.m-f habitues with even fewer scruples than someone who >lives in D.C. and works in the legal biz to list them. Should such >a thing exist. Right, umm... A Fruvous show is like sex in that: I've driven more than two hours to get either one. There's foreplay (opening acts). You wouldn't let your sister see you. Oh wait, many fans have brought their sisters... You may need a couple drinks before facing the crowd. The first time is... oh wait, that's been done and anything else I may have to say on that end is just too close to the quick. You wind up wanting to light up afterwards. You should use protection (earplugs, for example). People tend to cuddle after all that (Drinking Song). You can't trick Murray into performing Love Set Fire (not actually part of the list -- simply a thought). Someone will say something embarrassing eventually. To eh... v'rything. Someone hits up somebody for a signature. Well, maybe on a summons for a paternity suit. Someone has to close the door, although occasionally it's al fresco. Hotel bills. And the flames look like an... gels' wings. Okay, I've done my job -- that is, I've played my part. Who's next? - -with paper hearts, Dante ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:48:36 GMT From: "Eric Fiedler" Subject: Collingswood Show -- Review Hi everyone, I have never posted a review, or anything for that matter, but this show warrants such an action, and as I'm probably one of the first to get home after tonight's show in Collingswood, N.J., I feel it is my responsibility to give the Frupeople what they want, which is a semi-accurate synopsis beginning with a major run-on sentence. Anyhoo, here's how it went down... The short version: AWESOME SHOW, MAN!!!! The uncut version: First Dave enters, says incognito as the mayor of Collingswood, and introduces Micheala (sp?) from XPN. I had no idea until later that it was him, and I suspect I was one of many. She in turn introduces 'local talent'... First Mike enters the stage, sings a delightful beanie baby song... He leaves, and Murray enters and does 'Bittersweet' solo with just a hint of awkward guitar.. It really was, well, a bittersweet version... Then Dave comes on and sings a nice country-ish tune, sorry I don't know the name but his performance was great. At this point Jian enters and prefaces his song with a story about a letter the band received. A faithful FruHead wanted to take his Mother, who had recently become a FruFan, to the Troc show in February, but she was ill and could not attend. Some time after that the fan's mother passed away, and he wrote the band and asked if a song could be played in her honor. Jian played 'I Will Hold On', a beautiful solo version that captured the essence of his sentiment... Very special. After a very short break, Jian again introduced the band and they launched into 'Half as Much', which i've heard live twice now and both times it sounded a little... off. Maybe because it's the first song? Next was Horseshoes, very tight. I don't have a full setlist, but highlights for me included the off-mike 'Boss' and 'Spiderman', during which they raided the crowd and managed to snag a Canadian and a Flyers flag. The acoustics in the Scottish Rite auditorium suited these songs well, although I'm not sure how well the people in the back could hear. LOTS of banter followed with topics ranging from the bluntness of Jerseyans to the Flyers and their 'Frat-Boy' coach. Other highlights included 'Darlington Darling' and 'MBLABOA', both of which I had not had the pleasure of meeting in concert before. Mike also told a great story about the Canadian Football League's lack of coverage in USA today. Other songs included (not in any order) Jockey, My Poor Generation, Michigan Militia, a French language tune about hockey stars and doctors migrating south, Greatest Man in America, Johnny Saucep'n, King of Spain (No GE&H!) Love Potion #9, Get in the Car, and Fly. And probably a couple more that I can't recall at the moment. By the second encore the Frucrue looked tired (they had opened for themselves after all) but managed to come out and do a very energetic 'Splatter Splatter', and finished with the 'Gulf War Song' off-mike. The experience of hearing this song performed right in front of you without the aid of electricity is... It's why music exists. Honestly, I can't tell you anything i've ever heard in concert or on a CD that comes close to GWS tonight. I wish all the FruFans could have been seated where I was tonight to experience this. So an incomplete but punctual review of what I felt was an amazing performance by the one band who can give a one-of-a-kind show almost every night: Moxie Fruitloops. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #983 ********************************************