From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #980 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 980 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Montreal review [lawrence solomon ] extra Collingswood ticket [Alan Sigman ] Re: Skipping (was Re: Least favorite song) [cookie ] Re: Fruheads unite and..CALM DOWN [cookie ] Re: OT: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [cookie ] Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [cookie ] Re: Skipping ["Novac" ] Re: 11/27 Setlist [djablon@my-deja.com] shouldn't have wanted more (Ottawa night 2 review) [lawrence solomon ] Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [bbwminors@aol.com (] RE: Fru-Dogma ["Angela Anuszewski" ] Re: Least Favorite Song? [Ellen ] Re: Fru-Dogma [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:17:02 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Montreal review ok, lots has already been said about Rochester (none of it coincides with my opinion of it, but I don't feel like being negative at the moment, so I'll just leave it at this: Früvous played an excellent set and were very "on," but nothing else was right) so I drove to Montreal after Rochester, and, after getting lost and not really understanding people or signs, I found the venue, then found Früheads, then found food. We got into the venue and noticed that no one was up near the stage - there were tables around the edges and in the balcony, and a somewhat small open space that we all ended up standing in. Tory (or "Torry," as the tickets said) Cassis opened and was quite excellent. The audience was mostly appreciative. the setlist, and then some comments: half horse bj if only lazy boy pisco morphee (!!!) hold mpg river minnie splatter tureen sauce fly nuits king authors car psycho - -- michigan billie jean - -- gulf this was an incredible show. they were amazingly on, and the improvs and tangents were... plentiful. there was an extremely long improv after BJ that was a reggae song "in Montreal... in Montreal... Montreal, Jamaica..." and was absolutely hilarious. and they played Morphee! I couldn't believe this... it was incredible to watch - Murray and Dave on acoustic guitars, Dave using his finger picks, and Murray pickless. Mike introduced the song in French and was heckled about his accent. afterwards they mentioned that that afternoon had been the first time they'd even played the song in six years. (it sounded really good for minnie the moocher was... disturbing, to say the least... we were practically on the floor laughing for parts of it. and it was completely new... nothing recycled. nuits de reve was about the best I've ever seen it. possibly something to do with the excellent sound they had going that night. king of spain with the Canadian intro... I didn't know who some of the people Jian named were, but the "close!" one was Mike Harris, instead of George W. Bush. Gulf War Song off mic was a great closer, although it was a little hard for them to get started - there was a lot of heckling and a bunch of people shouting for the Drinking Song. Jian then, speaking in French, promised The Drinking Song for the next night... they finally got started and everyone was quiet during it. I was right in front of Murray, so I got the bass part full force and it was wonderful. um, I can't remember much else... there was quite a bit of heckling, but for the most part the audience was well behaved... - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:55:00 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: extra Collingswood ticket I have one extra ticket for tonight's show, row H, left center, for face value ($22.50). Reply to my work email address: sigmana@faatcrl.tc.faa.gov -Alan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:33:24 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Skipping (was Re: Least favorite song) Just wanted to say the subject line caught me off guard. I was thinking of "skipping." You know, that thing you do when you're not walking, yet not running. I must be tired. Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:54:04 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: FS: 1 ticket - Collingswood 11/29/99 - 8th Row again.. I am flying out of NYC as Fruvous begins their show.. :( snif - -Lynne - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:55:19 GMT From: gingee@my-deja.com To: ammf@fruvous.com Newsgroups: alt.music.moxy-fruvous Subject: Re: FS: 1 ticket - Collingswood 11/29/99 - 8th Row This ticket is still available. If interested, Please email me at gingee@my-deja.com. Thanks! Cheers! gingee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:02:05 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: Fru-Dogma Outstanding movie! Saw it at BAM in Bklyn. Say it "BAM" fun to say.. I actually mimiced the part mentioned below! ANd, of course thought of fruvous. :) - -lynne, trying desparately to get the guys I went to the movie with to go to the dec 1 & 2 shows, for me? for them? for fruvous? *al lof the above Genna said: not only did they say Larry and Barry but the referenced the million doller man quite like the KoS intro on Live Noise. "we have the technology we can make bigger, stronger, faster..." yay! i just had to chuckle quietly to myself, because the person i was seeing it with disaproves highly of my obsession ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:46:01 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..CALM DOWN Carey Farrell wrote: > > >Fishgirls= Those "JIAN!!!!!" people. > > I don't understand what fish have to do with it. Can anyone explain? > As for me, I tend to think of them as "Ji-nyboppers." OOOH! Good one! I'd just like to say that for some reason, I've been conveniently immune to the "Ji-nybopper" phenomenon. To my observation, they apparently haven't reached the LA area yet. I perceive them as I do killer bees...always a threat, yet for some reason never actually materializing. (Wierd, eh?) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:38:39 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: OT: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Mysterious Mocksie wrote: > > Let me try this one again. > > Fishgirls = 13 year olds (whether they are *actually* 13 or just act like it > that swoon solely over Jian... the kind of people that scream when he breathes > in their general direction... the kind of people that run up to Murray and > scream "Where is JIAN?!?!?" (heh). > > Better? OK. I now understand your meaning. However, I still don't understand the terminology. Are you implying that Jian is a fish??? If so, what brought you come to that conclusion? (I would have come up with the much less creative term of "Jian-girl.") Sorry to be a pain, but I'm still a little confused, and I'm dying to know the origins of the term. Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:52:24 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: and now you're paid in full (Ottawa night 1 review) Got to Ottawa pretty early and checked in, found people, hung out, ate food, and went to get in line around 7:15 (doors were supposedly at 8) and there was NO ONE there. not even staff of the club. the doors were unlocked. so we opened them and went and stood inside since it was raining. stood around for a while, finally got in around 8:15, and found spots. zaphod's is an interesting club... very much a nightclub more than a standard concert venue. and a VERY small stage... set: river I Saw Her Standing There (improvved, not on setlist) car shit moon half indy sad girl lazy la complainte jockey (with Tory) boo time michigan sauce kids hold mpg splatter king darlington lp#9 - -- video - -- lose that girl drink *two* Beatles songs. wow. I should probably say something about La Complainte, but I don't know what to say... it was nice, but I have no clue what they were singing about. :) Jockey was interesting, and pretty good... Boo Time was really well done, with an improvised line to go back to the main song (instead of "Growin'/smokin' a little boo with the Früvous crew...") Johnny Saucep'n was interesting because somewhere, somehow, they missed a beat after the first verse and couldn't start the refrain, so Dave counted off the beats to get everyone back on track (the whole time everyone was still playing, so the song didn't just stop) The Kids Song was a lot of fun...with the corrected pronunciation of Pinochet, even... which makes it that much funnier, really. :) King of Spain was really neat... the first verse was completely improvised with lots of talking (he didn't even say "Oh, my unspeakable wife Queen Lisa" or "And now I work at the Pizza Pizza") Darlington Darling was... interesting... the accordion solo actually seemed to be the part that goes under "In Darlington, lies my darling one..." and during Jian's refrain Dave sang the responses rather than playing the accordion lines... not sure if it was intentional or what, but it certainly caught some of us by surprise. :) (based on the look he gave Dave I think it caught Jian by surprise, too :) The Drinking Song was good, except for the fact that one line was going the wrong way... and I was on the end of it and kept crashing into the other line... (everyone should start in the same direction, at least! :) and then immediately after the Drinking Song was over, almost even before they left the stage, the Way Too Loud House Music came up, eliminating any possibility of conversation. So I left, figuring I'd get some rest while I was in the city for two days and had more time to do stuff... and then on to then next show. :) somewhere there was an improv "Everything happens to him..." or something but I don't remember where and I don't remember all of it, but it was a great improv (I've noticed that since the no taping/taping thing the improvs have become a lot longer and more free flowing, even now that taping is being allowed again - it's great!) - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:17:11 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..CALM DOWN cookie wrote: (Wierd, eh?) > > Cookie Actually, I REALLY typed "(Weird, eh?)". Honest. Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:13:53 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Stephanie Hodges wrote: > From what I've picked up, a fishgirl is a fawning fangirl (feel that > aliteration!) (never mind that I can't spell it) that gets all gibbery when > talking to her favorite lad (and not to generalize, but he's usually Jian) > and usually pouts when he doesn't make an appearance after a show. Am I > right? I'm allowed to guess, eh? Sure! Your guess is as good as mine! (Yet, what is this "fish" thing?) An obsessing Cookie (Curiouser and curiouser) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:10:38 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Genna wrote: > New fans do not have > as clear of a view of show etiquette as those more seasoned fans, thus they act > in ways which they will later learn is inappropriate. Dang! I wasn't aware that there was any etiquette involved for attending a show!! (I didn't get the manual. Rats.) I'd like to extend an apology to the band and the applicable audiences for my behavior of ceremoniously throwing my undergarments on stage and ravaging anyone even *remotely* connected with the band. I was most likely just caught up in the moment. (OK...and probably drunk. Sorry.) ;-) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:11:17 -0500 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: Skipping cookie wrote in message > Just wanted to say the subject line caught me off guard. I was thinking > of "skipping." You know, that thing you do when you're not walking, yet > not running. Weird, I kept thinking about what I used to do in school all the time. Honest! - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:37:37 GMT From: djablon@my-deja.com Subject: Re: 11/27 Setlist > I'm green. Extended *Sahara*? Bed and *Breakfast*???? OK, forget the > asterisks. STUCK IN THE 90'S ????? !!!! ??? > ack > yeah, worth the drive up from boston... *always* show up when they play the same place on two consecutive nights. :-) (of course, after saying that, i'm probably not going to nyc...) this was the first time in many months i've had a chance to hit the road, and i must say it was a lot of fun. swinging from the back of the cage during the drinking song was an altogether new experience. and ottawa is such a great city. and it was great to see chad and jo. (and i now have a fresh supply of coke and dr pepper made with *sugar* instead of corn syrup. fortunately the customs agent didn't ask for clarification on "we're bringing back some soda.." 720 cans is enough to significantly change the handling of my car... :-) ) see lots of you at the iron horse on dec 30, i'm sure... - --Dan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:12:15 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: shouldn't have wanted more (Ottawa night 2 review) after a day of doing stuff in Ottawa, we got to the venue around 7:30, and this time there were a lot of people lined up and they were making sure the front doors stayed closed this time. and we waited. and waited... and waited some more... and waited... and froze... and waited. and finally at 8:30 they let us in. Surprisingly, Tory went on at 9, despite the delay in people getting in (although there were still a lot of people coming in when he went on) and played a pretty different set, this time using Murray as his "token guest musician" (he had Dave play some accordion the previous two nights) and I don't know that song (I had no Canadian cash on me, so I couldn't buy his CD, but I plan to buy it in NYC :) but it sounded really great... their voices go very well together. Then Früvous set up, and there was a chair and a Dumbek front and center... so we were all pretty sure we'd get the extended Sahara. set and then comments: (I know Trace has already posted this, but I figure I'll put it in for easier reference within this post anyway :) sahara half horse too careful fly b&b boss stuck minnie bj raja tureen sauce hold nuits splatter car shit psycho - -- michigan - -- kingreen - -- drink wow. what a set. and really, it *wasn't* Bed and Breakfast that "made" this set, either... it was just an incredible show. the Extended Sahara intro was a little different - Jian and Murray came out while the house music was still playing, and then the loop started... and it was in a different key than usual (leave it to me to notice these things :). the intro was good, and they looked quite cramped on stage (because there wasn't really room for the chair, so Mike was slightly displaced) Too Careful was... confusing, I think. I actually liked the version they did, whether it was intentional or not - they left out the solo and last refrain. instead they repeated the refrain a few times after the second verse and ended the song. it's much shorter this way, but I think that makes it better suited to a live show (and if they could find a way to reasonably shorten Downsizing, it would be cool, because maybe we'd hear it live more :) it was also played very fast, and introduced with a slight B&B tease - talking about meeting someone at a bar for a one night stand... going on to the idea of being careful about things, but... You can't be *too* careful... Fly was good, and Mike commented afterwards that he was thinking about the video the whole time and ended up coming in on the percussion about "a minute and three seconds early." Right after Fly, Mike took his position behind the keyboard and Jian went back to the drums and grabbed the brushes. There was a bit of improv about musicals, and a bit of a possibly unintentional Entropy tease (Mike was playing the piano and it sounded just like Entropy) and then they introduced a song that they "practically never played" and went into Bed and Breakfast, with a bit of an extended intro (a couple of chords right at the start to get the timing right) and the audience went crazy... the song was really performed well, and kind of made me wonder why they haven't done it before... everything seemed on for it - perhaps that it was well rehearsed because they hadn't played it in so long, or that we were all just so glad to hear it. but I'd say it was definitely a strong enough performance that I hope they do consider doing it again and not just burying it forever... Stuck in 90s was good to hear - yet another song I hadn't yet heard live Minnie was again different (although there was one more verse that was the same as Montreal) and sick and funny... BJ was introduced with a Pisco tease (lots of teasing at this show!) and had the last line something about Zaphod's... and Raja was great! much better than in Rochester... I think the audience was a bit more appreciative this time. introduced with Jian saying something to the effect of "Well, all Middle Eastern songs sound pretty much the same..." among other things... They didn't get lost in Johnny Saucep'n this time... Get in the Car was very good this time, with LOTS of extra lines thrown in an generally everyone having a good time Your New Boyfriend was introduced with what one would expect, and a line where Jian said "My new boyfriend... er, my ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend... is a right wing shit!" Psycho Killer was similar in that respect - a LOT of fun was had by all during this song. and part of the intro included snapping as the volume level rose... First encore of Michigan Militia... started with a drum/bass/keyboard jam that was really great sounding, and was just "on," like everything else at the show. King/Green. I usually don't comment on these. I've seen King of Spain... a lot... :) but I really enjoyed this performance of it. lots of improv, even right in the middle of the song... a nice rendition that pleases everyone (and they seemed to be enjoying themselves, which is always good) when they were talking about who was curious about the King's story, Jian commented "I'm actually curious about him..." pointing at Murray, the continuing "But I'm also curious about the King... I'm bi-curious..." GE&H was really great... during the "Not the Beatles" bit and the "look what you've done to him!" Mike came forward speaking French, and a good portion of the audience understood him, because they all cracked up... I found out later that he said "I am... I am a mushroom! I am a growing mushroom!" so had I known then, I would have cracked up then, too. :) and when Mr. Cheese made his offer to Sam I Am, he *almost* agreed (or seemed like he was about to), but finally declined the offer... The Drinking Song was ok - we all were swaying properly this time - but some audience members were very obnoxious during it (and the whole show, really - lots of yelling) I love shows like this. very high energy, and very good playing... lots of fun banter and improvs. if the audience had cooperated a little better it would have been perfect - even without Bed and Breakfast. but that was just a nice added bonus (and it makes me very glad I made the trip to Ottawa, too! :) somewhere in there they also teased Disco Bargainville... Dave commented that "it's great being in a rock band..." and Jian responded with "but sometimes a guy just wants to dance!" and then I drove 9 hours back to Pittsburgh with it snowing most of the way down... such great fun that is. :) - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:08:33 GMT From: Veronika Berchtold Subject: Re: ? C-Album ? Zitiere Carey Farrell : > Angela wrote: > > >Oh, and they had a 14 year old from one of the local high schools get up > on > >stage and play trombone with them at one point ..... hey, I had my > >clarinet > >in the car, I could have played ;-) > > Oh, wow, how envious am I of that 14-year-old? I got to play trombone with > one of the (I think) Air Force bands once, but I think performing with > Fruvous would be even cooler. > > Carey Yeah that'd be really cool. I play the violin and the guitar and even some piano. Maybe I could even play something else. Veronika ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 1999 12:38:01 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Fishgirls WAS: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN OK, I have to take a quick stab at the "fishgirl" analogy ... maybe it's because she stands there staring wide-eyed with her mouth all agog??? I have to admit my mental image of such a starstruck teenage fan is EXACTLY that of a fish in the presence of greatness, LOL. I'll just take my two cents and leave now. Queen L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:45:57 GMT From: "Angela Anuszewski" Subject: RE: Fru-Dogma Um, being a bit new to this - I caught the KoS thing, but can someone explain the Larry and Barry thing? Angela - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ammf@fruvous.com [mailto:owner-ammf@fruvous.com]On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 1:02 AM To: Fruvous NG Subject: Re: Fru-Dogma Outstanding movie! Saw it at BAM in Bklyn. Say it "BAM" fun to say.. I actually mimiced the part mentioned below! ANd, of course thought of fruvous. :) - -lynne, trying desparately to get the guys I went to the movie with to go to the dec 1 & 2 shows, for me? for them? for fruvous? *al lof the above Genna said: not only did they say Larry and Barry but the referenced the million doller man quite like the KoS intro on Live Noise. "we have the technology we can make bigger, stronger, faster..." yay! i just had to chuckle quietly to myself, because the person i was seeing it with disaproves highly of my obsession ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:36:54 -0800 From: Ellen Subject: Re: Least Favorite Song? In article <81spiv$3b1u$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Novac" wrote: > Live Noise: Incredible Medicine Show > --Novac, hoping to stir up some "fun" discussion. MUHAHAHAHA!!! Allrighty then, here goes: where did you get YOUR copy of Live Noise?? peace, ellen (b/c mine doesn't have IMS on it... ;) * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:23:54 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Fru-Dogma Spake "Angela Anuszewski" : >Um, being a bit new to this - I caught the KoS thing, but can someone >explain the Larry and Barry thing? The "original," Bargainville-era budgie dog is named Larry Boniface Clebdon. His "twin" from the b album is named Barry. - -v - ---------------- Vika Zafrin ---------------- vika@attglobal.net ---------------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "Only in love is reality that which elsewhere is simulated: only in love [do] you find one similar to yourself, a you in another, a being that understands you and responds to you, a thought [which is] an echo of your thoughts." - Francesco De Sanctis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:12:27 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Spake "Novac" : >Vika Zafrin wrote in message >> >I think that the reason there seems to be more teenagers, more rude >people, >> >more stary eyed droolers, more standers-at-seated-venues, and other >anoyances, >> >are simply because there are a lot of new fans. I never wrote that. I quoted it. Just thought I'd make this clear. - -v - ---------------- Vika Zafrin ---------------- vika@attglobal.net ---------------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "Only in love is reality that which elsewhere is simulated: only in love [do] you find one similar to yourself, a you in another, a being that understands you and responds to you, a thought [which is] an echo of your thoughts." - Francesco De Sanctis ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #980 ********************************************