From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #953 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 953 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) [swingerfru@my-deja.com] Fruvous Playground Redux ["M. Timothy Swallow" ] belated st. louis review/entertaining story... [shalini trivedi ] Re: anyone going to Amhearst? [raenfaerie@aol.com (Jihead-turned-Matheson] Re: 11/7/99 Cincy Setlist: NOT a joke. [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at] Re: opening acts [michykith@aol.com (Michykith)] Re: Agrressive Threads (WAS Fruvous Playground (Moe)) [Carol Bennett ] Re: Two Keswick Tix ["Lindsay Lion" ] Re: Agrressive Threads (WAS Fruvous Playground (Moe)) [Ellen ] Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) [Ellen ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:04:06 GMT From: swingerfru@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) I never claimed I invented the haiku. Oh wait, yes I did. I also invented the question mark, the number 2, the word "the," the color teal, the entire German language, and Roman Numerals. The original CONCEPT of a Fruvous Playground-type site was mine. That's all I was saying. And here you go, telling me I'm a jackass for trying to take credit for a concept that was originally mine. I didn't even take credit for starting the Fruvous Haikus thing. I just told you who did. And I never bashed Fruvous Playground. I even said I think it's a nice site. You know what the real problem here is? All of you Fruheads need to lighten up. Seriously. You people take offense to the smallest things. It's now become a battle over who's the biggest fan. I remember way back in the day when the newsgroup was fun and nobody got into battles over anything. Which is why I haven't posted in god-knows-how-long. I still love Moxy Fruvous. They remain my all-time favorite band and I will continue to see them whenver possible (for some of us it's actually still a PRIVELEGE and not a God-given right like some of you treat it.) But, lighten up! Get a sense of humor again! A few weeks ago I went through the Power Wall archives and found the discussion about that silly Pisco bumper sticker. And you know what? I thought it was the funniest thing I've ever seen. It was absolutely hysterical. A riot. There's this one guy who's way too sensitive and takes offense at this sticker, and nobody can find any reason why he would, and he blames it on the band, and then all the band's fans say the band had nothing to do with it, and he won't listen. It went so far and ended up being really funny. My point is this: lighten up. Fruvous is a band. They are regular humans who happen to make really good music. You can enjoy their music all you want, but don't get all defensive about the littlest things. (and for those of you who are poised to tell me that maybe I should listen to myself and practice what I preach, go fuck yourselves. My complaint had nothing to do with Fruvous. It had to do with somebody using a concept that was originally somebody else's and not giving credit.) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:36:08 -0500 From: "M. Timothy Swallow" Subject: Fruvous Playground Redux O.K. Various folks have had their say. You have agreed to disagree. Families have spats, and we will no doubt disagree over something else in the future. Don't let this fester into something out of proportion that people may regret downstream. End of story. Let's move on. The common elements we share are the people comprising Moxy Fruvous, the marvelous music they produce, and the feeling of community and harmony we experience as Fruheads. Let's all find ways to make a good thing better. ~~Tim ____________________________________ Chris O'Malley wrote in message news:38288d1a.774763@news3.attglobal.net... > >>(and for those of you who are poised to tell me that maybe I should > >>listen to myself and practice what I preach, go fuck yourselves. My > >>complaint had nothing to do with Fruvous. It had to do with somebody > >>using a concept that was originally somebody else's and not giving > >>credit.) > > > >You know what? I've only been around here for a little over a year, and I > >remember the times when people would *never* say something like this. > >It's the nature of the internet, my friend. If you don't like the fact that > >there are going to be similarities between websites created for the same > >band, you're going to need to go elsewhere for counseling. > >~~Kate > > I agree...for someone who's telling everyone to "lighten up", you're > taking a very hostile attitude. > > Since I do FDC, can I bitch at everyone who makes another Fruvous > site, since I had the original "idea" for a Fruvous site? Can the > people who made The Fruvous Pages and The Fruvous Supplement yell at > me for stealing their idea? > > The Fruvous Playground is quite different than Spidey's site (which, > btw, is not even on the web anymore as far as I can tell). Yes, it has > haikus, but none copied from Spidey's site...they're all originals > typed in by the users of the site. Same for the limericks... > > Take your own advice, and lighten up. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris 'Father' O'Malley http://www.fruvous.com > 'Tattoo Fru' webmaster@fruvous.com > > "I like being a pretzel with you..." > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:39:23 -0600 From: shalini trivedi Subject: belated st. louis review/entertaining story... what a trip it has... now before i go on, i was supposed to pst this last week (sorry carol!), but i've been swamped with homework, etc... so forgive me! anywayour trip started out at about 4pm, when carol and i left champaign for st. louis. it's only about a 3.5 hr. drive, so we made it in plenty of time for the show. we went by wash u to pick up a good friend of carol's before the show, had pizza for dinner, and then proceeded to the venue for the show. now, when carol got the tickets, the ticket agent had made no mention of the fact that the show was 21+. we didn't find out about the smll detail until about 2 days before the show. since we'd already bought tickets, and we wanted to go visit carol's friend at wash u anyway, we went...planning on using our 'feminine wiles' to work our way into the show if we had any problems. when we got the side door, carol showed her credit card and id to the woman at the door, and she said i'm sorry i can't let you in. after a bit of pleading, she went and asked her manager if she could let usin if we hung out in back by the door, but her manager wouldn't budge. the woman sad we could sell our tickets to other concert goers, and that was about it! so we did that, but we hung around anyway (in the well lit alley) just in case her manager decided to be lenient. (keep in mind that all of us are 20. i'm 5 months away from being 21) the woman at the dor was REALLY cool and left the door open a crack when fruvous came on so that we could at least hear the band, since we'd driven al that way to go see them...(hey! i know c-u to st. luois is not that far as afr as fru-trips go, but SHE didn't know that) so anyway, we listened to: River valley Get in the Car Your New Boyfriend 3D Plus Sign (improv) Half As Much Independence Day Side Door/5 Years (kind of improv, drifting into the Bowie song) Sad Girl whil standing outside the door of the side door. Every once in a while, some one would walk in or out of the club and we'd catch them lads playing at full blast. It sounded great! eventually, the manager of the club decided to let us in if the woman at the door stamped or hands with a gigantic circle of x's. we had no objection, so they let us in, and the three of us got to see the rest of the show from the inside. and surprise surprise, they sounded even better! the rest of the show rocked (but then again, what else would it do?) the only down thing happened when the lads exited the stage after psychokiller. the crowd started shouting to hear KoS...these cheers eventually gave way to more rowdy chants, including several request to sing some guy happy birthday... anyway, i think the other reviews of this show have pretty much sid the same thing, so i'll stop rambling now. anyway, what an adventure! thanks for reading this, if you got this far...you deserve a medal or something! ************************************************ * "Those who hear * Shalini Trivedi * * not the music * Chemical Engineering * * think the * College of LAS * * dancers mad." *University of Illinois* * - Unknown * Urbana-Champaign * ************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:40:20 GMT From: jrosenburg_553203@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT: um... i dunno I was at this show as well. I can't see how anyone could possibly like phoenix TX, they're a bunch of immature idiots. They obviously know they're not good enough to make it so they're writing stupid songs like "big cock" (WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ABOUT???) so the little kiddies will think they're cool. Silverchair WAS slightly dissapointing, but I know that they would have been much much better if their damn techies could make the equipment work. Johns punched the amp twice, not for show, but because he was royaly pissed.....thats why he walked off so quickly after their early break. Most people think that the show just ended, but he walked off, hence the suprised reaction from the bass and drummer. In article , "Tim Deegan" wrote: > okay, i was in Toronto these past two days (yay!) for a Fenix > Tx/silverchair/Blink182 concert. pretty decent show... it's been a while > since my pants have vibrated against my legs cuz of the bass. *g* > > and i realized how special Früvous shows are. fenix tx was good, i enjoyed > them for not really knowing anything by them. and silverchair, who i have > loved dearly since i was but a wee lass in the seventh grade (six years > ago), were so... disappointing. every spoken word out of Daniel Johns' > mouth was so incredibly trite. crap like "we love toronto because we're > silverchair... and we love toronto and you love us because we're > silverchair" and other babble like that. twas awful. and what i figured > out is that Früvous is *infinately* better than any other band in the world > and i will appreciate it more than ever. > > end of my manifesto. > Maggie > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:22:22 GMT From: swingerfru@my-deja.com Subject: RE: Regarding: Fruvous Playground That's okay. :-) It's really not that big a deal. I just wanted to make sure you had some knowledge of the origins of this stuff. Don't take down your site or anything - I think it's great. I'm not bitter. In fact I think it's cool that there's finally another site like mine. I was just a little disturbed by it, that's all. chris In article <3827560E.EEBBA761@determan.net>, Michele Determan wrote: > Chris, > > I was totally unaware of any of this history, since I am fairly new to > the Fruvous world. I would be more than happy to give Caitlin Shirts > credit for the origination of fruvous haiku. I've seen people post haiku > to the newsgroup, which is why I added it to my site, but never knew the > background. Limericks were a suggestion by a visitor to my site. > > I am also sorry to hear that your site is no longer around. I never had > the opportunity to visit it. Perhaps if it were, I would have not even > considered building Fruvous Playground. > > I appreciate you letting me know all this background. I meant Fruvous > Playground to be a fun contribute to the wonderful world for Fruvous, > and not to be a source of any bitterness. I don't consider the Fru > sites to be in competition, but collaborative - trading links, creating > a community, building word of mouth for Moxy Fruvous, etc. > > Michele > http://www.determan.net/michele/fruvousplayground > > ========================================== > > In Response To Chris Ault: > > >> Interesting site you've got here. It's got some neat stuff on it. > However, several of the ideas on it were pioneered by myself and others > as many as three years ago. Moxy haikus, which were originally called > "Moxy Haikuvous," were invented by Caitlin Shirts on the Bargainville > Discount Store (a majordomo-type mailing list that met its maker > sometime around early 1997), in the fall of 1996. At least give credit > there. > > >> My website, which was entitled "Spidey the Fun-Licker's Moxy Fruvous > Page" and was later renamed "Moxy Fruvous for Dummies," used to be > located at at http://www.frontiernet.net/~aultered . but has since been > removed due to circumstances out of my control. It featured the > original archive of Fruvous haikus, as well as Fruvous limericks, "A > Kick In the Ass," where Fruheads told what pissed them off, and other > random things such as The Hail Murray, the Moxy Fruvous Macarena, and > the Magical Fruvous Button. > > >> I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I'm a little upset that a > website was created with the same concept and even some of the same > features as mine, but also, since mine is no longer in existence, I'm > glad that something has taken it's place. At the very least, I ask that > you give credit where credit is due and mention Caitlin Shirts on your > haiku page. After all, she is what started all this wackiness with > Fruvous haikus and such in the first place. i don't mean to sound > conceited, but the fun playground-style site was my idea originally and > it annoys me that someone has gone and done the same thing. > > >> chris > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:17:01 GMT From: chrisom@ibm.net (Chris O'Malley) Subject: Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 23:54:48 GMT, swingerfru@my-deja.com wrote: >In article <38288d1a.774763@news3.attglobal.net>, > chrisom@ibm.net (Chris O'Malley) wrote: > >> Since I do FDC, can I bitch at everyone who makes another Fruvous >> site, since I had the original "idea" for a Fruvous site? Can the >> people who made The Fruvous Pages and The Fruvous Supplement yell at >> me for stealing their idea? > >Excuse me? Original idea? there were Fruvous sites long before FDC and >even long before the Fruvous Fan(atic)'s page, the predecessor to FDC. >Now you're doing the exact same thing you're yelling at me for. You even >know it - The Fruvous Pages and the Fruvous Supplement were there before >you, and you pointed that out in the very next sentence! Ummm...Chris? I was employing that rare, all too forgotten tactic called SARCASM (in fact, I'm being sarcastic in the previous sentence). The answer to both of my questions posted above is clearly NO. I don't hold the franchise on Fruvous sites. I created the 'Fruvous Fan(atic)'s Page' myself, actually. As the site grew and had more people contributing to it, the band decided it was large enough and comprehensive enough to warrant being the official site. Never once did I ask for that honour; but, no doubt, I was very pleased when it was bestowed. I have to admit, there was a short time when other Fruvous websites popped up after FDC's launch. I got a little jealous (never told anyone that they should be "removed from society", though), but then after a while, realized that the amalgam of Fruvous web sites out there makes a cohesive whole - in a much better manner than any one person/site could do alone...I link to every other Fruvous site I know about - this is because, due to the fact that the band plugs FDC, most people go there first, and it acts as a jumping point to other Fruvous resources on the net...fruhead.com is providing a similar service. >> The Fruvous Playground is quite different than Spidey's site (which, >> btw, is not even on the web anymore as far as I can tell). Yes, it has >> haikus, but none copied from Spidey's site...they're all originals >> typed in by the users of the site. Same for the limericks... > >True. Very true. But my site was, shall I say, unique as far as the >other Fruvous websites go. Now there's another one with the same concept >- Fun with Fruvous, basically, whereas other sites are mostly >discography, lyrics, tour dates, etc. I'm a little shaken by that. >Sorry. I realize my site is no longer up. I am no longer even on that >ISP. And I said that I'm glad there's another one like it. I don't have >anything against the Fruvous Playground. All I asked was that Caitlin be >given credit for coming up with Fruvous haikus. And look at where this >has gotten us now. True, you didn't ask for credit to be given to anyone but Caitlin, specifically. And Michele conceded...saying she would give credit where credit was due. But then you had to get extremely defensive and say "go fuck yourself" in the midst of a sentence, and of course, that's gonna start pushing people's buttons (most of the time, I can ignore it, and do so for my own sanity, but you and Matt had really upset Michele with your comments, only to say later it was really a joke...sick joke, IMO). BTW, there are other Fruvous websites that aren't just tour dates and discographies - fruhead.com, for example. But I can honestly say I don't think Josh would raise a stink if someone made a site similar to his - ESPECIALLY without them knowing it existed, and even more so if it wasn't even online anymore. >Maybe I should go back to not reading this NG anymore. Maybe you should. I, for one, have had enough of dealing with blatant immaturity for one day (and so there's no confusion warranting a response post, I do mean you, Chris Ault). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris 'Father' O'Malley http://www.fruvous.com 'Tattoo Fru' webmaster@fruvous.com "I like being a pretzel with you..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 23:54:48 GMT From: swingerfru@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) In article <38288d1a.774763@news3.attglobal.net>, chrisom@ibm.net (Chris O'Malley) wrote: > I agree...for someone who's telling everyone to "lighten up", you're > taking a very hostile attitude. > > Since I do FDC, can I bitch at everyone who makes another Fruvous > site, since I had the original "idea" for a Fruvous site? Can the > people who made The Fruvous Pages and The Fruvous Supplement yell at > me for stealing their idea? Excuse me? Original idea? there were Fruvous sites long before FDC and even long before the Fruvous Fan(atic)'s page, the predecessor to FDC. Now you're doing the exact same thing you're yelling at me for. You even know it - The Fruvous Pages and the Fruvous Supplement were there before you, and you pointed that out in the very next sentence! > The Fruvous Playground is quite different than Spidey's site (which, > btw, is not even on the web anymore as far as I can tell). Yes, it has > haikus, but none copied from Spidey's site...they're all originals > typed in by the users of the site. Same for the limericks... True. Very true. But my site was, shall I say, unique as far as the other Fruvous websites go. Now there's another one with the same concept - - Fun with Fruvous, basically, whereas other sites are mostly discography, lyrics, tour dates, etc. I'm a little shaken by that. Sorry. I realize my site is no longer up. I am no longer even on that ISP. And I said that I'm glad there's another one like it. I don't have anything against the Fruvous Playground. All I asked was that Caitlin be given credit for coming up with Fruvous haikus. And look at where this has gotten us now. Maybe I should go back to not reading this NG anymore. chris Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:03:33 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: anyone going to Amhearst? hey, hey. Anyone going to Amhearst in December? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:24:58 GMT From: Melanie Subject: OT: Ignore This (or not) It's amazing what kind of posts will get a response on this newsgroup. In case you're curious, there's something wrong (really wrong) with the mailing list. I've been able to read messages through deja.com but it's cumbersome. So, I've been working on accessing the newsgroup by other means--like a newsgroup reader. What a concept! melanie ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 1999 03:35:11 GMT From: raenfaerie@aol.com (Jihead-turned-Mathesonite) Subject: Re: anyone going to Amhearst? >hey, hey. Anyone going to Amhearst in December? Yep, I'll be there with four friends and 'rents in tow. I'll see you all there - - I hope it's a good show! [1] peace, - -maryam- [1] but, like, duh, of course ;-) ****************************** "Not knowing knowledge never ennobles ..." ****************************** ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 1999 02:47:43 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: 11/7/99 Cincy Setlist: NOT a joke. Josh Woodward said: >Gord's Gold (full band jam at end) excuuuuuse me? Full Band Jam of WHAT, exactly? This is too intriguing to let pass with a five-word tease, Josh! - -- Lori **************** Is it too much to demand I want a full house and a rock and roll band... Shouldn't I have this, shouldn't I have this, shouldn't I have all of this? ~~ Lucinda Williams ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 1999 20:22:01 GMT From: michykith@aol.com (Michykith) Subject: Re: opening acts >So. Anyone else have a favorite opener? I'd say Butch Ross Band at that unspeakable venue in Philly last February. They were really energetic and had a violin player! Unfortunately, I've been trying to get out to see Butch Ross playing locally, and just am always too busy :( ~Joni (fnjoni@fruhead.com) * * * * "This is a tune in the traditional celtic style called...funky." davy steele/battlefield band 11-9-99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:46:41 GMT From: Carol Bennett Subject: Re: Agrressive Threads (WAS Fruvous Playground (Moe)) FruWench wrote: > > I have never seen threads get so violent and bitter as I have > here on AMMF. Ha. You haven't been on a.c long enough. :) Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:52:40 -0500 From: tcain1@NOSPAMwebmart.net (Tim) Subject: Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) Frankly, I'm a little annoyed that you're all ignoring that I invented the Internet. That's right, it was me, and none of you are old enough to prove otherwise. And Al Gore was looking over my shoulder the whole time. There's got to be some way I can work Moxy Fruvous and the Beatles into this message. All right. There you are then. - --tc - -- "Trying is the first step toward failure." -- Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:25 +0000 From: Ben and Tara Cordes Subject: Re: anyone going to Amhearst? SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: > > hey, hey. Anyone going to Amhearst in December? ayup, ben and I will be there. taught the woman selling me the tickets how to say fruvous. heh - -tara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:56:57 GMT From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: Re: Two Keswick Tix Make sure you reply to llion@biosyn-inc.com otherwise I can't get the email! > My parents aren't going to the show with me anymore - so I have 2 tix for > the Keswick show. Email me if you are interested. First come, first serve, > and i'm selling for face value - no scalping here. > > Lindsay > > -- > --- > Lindsay Lion > Manager of Operations & Technology > Biosyn, Inc. > llion@biosyn-inc.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:10:00 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: Agrressive Threads (WAS Fruvous Playground (Moe)) In article <19991110073636.10511.00001429@ng-co1.aol.com>, fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) wrote: > Its interesting. I have never seen threads get so violent and bitter > as I have here on AMMF. And yet in person, we are all nice people. *snort* Let me introduce you to some other newsgroups I've been on, then. peace, ellen (the people here are kittens, trust me) ************************************************* As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take What looks like the easy way out. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:21:33 -0500 From: hawley_at_plinth_dot_org@hotmail.com (hawley) Subject: Re: anyone going to Amhearst? In article <382A130D.5D563C7B@mediaone.net>, Ben and Tara Cordes wrote: >SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: >> >> hey, hey. Anyone going to Amhearst in December? > >ayup, ben and I will be there. > >taught the woman selling me the tickets how to say fruvous. If you don't have tickets, you may be SOL unless you have other connections. The ticket office said that we bought the last two general admission tickets... Steve Hawley Bit Banger hawley_at_plinth_dot_org - -- "I am not a vegetarian because I love animals. I am a vegetarian because I hate plants" -- A. Whitney Brown http://www.plinth.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:43:20 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: opening acts In article <80c8a0$f4q$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, "Kate Leahy" wrote: > I have yet to get down to Fell's Point on a Monday night to see his > solo gig. He does the occasional Weds night (or maybe it's Tuesday) show at a place in Ellicott City, too. > I don't know *how* Ellen managed to miss Susan Werner, who is among my ummm, well, I've never seen her open for Fruvous, which sort of excludes her from my list. ;) I'd tend to put her in with the Headliners in Their Own Right group anyway. peace, ellen ************************************************* As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take What looks like the easy way out. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:08:02 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: Fruvous Playground (Moe) In article <80ac86$oen$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, swingerfru@my-deja.com wrote: > All I asked was that Caitlin be > given credit for coming up with Fruvous haikus. Oh. So it *wasn't* actually you that said this?: > The original CONCEPT of a Fruvous Playground-type site was mine. > That's all I was saying. And here you go, telling me I'm a jackass for > trying to take credit for a concept that was originally mine. (Sure sounds like you were wanting credit for something.) Just trying to get my facts straight here. Thanks. peace, ellen ************************************************* As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take What looks like the easy way out. 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