From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #844 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, September 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 844 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Largest music selection with all types of music 786 [ectenv@yahoo.com] Next Submission: Fell In Love [SnarkiFru ] Re: Next Submission: Fell In Love [Nate DeRose ] Re: All of the above [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] RE:ALL OF THE ABOVE ["andi andrzejewski" ] Re: Arab names ["Winnie da Fru aka Sara" ] RE:ALL OF THE ABOVE ["andi andrzejewski" ] Re: "there but for the grace..." [Katherine Bunting ] MA 'area' shows [Ben and Tara Cordes ] RE: Arab names ["Vokes, Laurie" ] Re for norterners moving south ["andi andrzejewski" Subject: Next Submission: Fell In Love Greetings friends... I've been a lazy slug and haven't gotten around to copying this into a post, but here I am and here it is. I know I said "Hate Letter" was next... but my Muse had other ideas... I humbly submit for your approval, discussion, or target practice... my meager attempt at interpreting Fell In Love: Ok, this has long been my favorite Fruvous song, and while there are some songs that hold special places in my heart or that I play all the time… this holds fast at the top of my list. Originally I loved it for its simplicity of music, the alliteration in the verses and the fact that it’s a Dave Song… but it's only been recently that I've discovered a new take on the song (within the past few months or so). To me, there's a reason why the past tense of the word is used… FELL in love… "Something I never would have known Not knowing knowledge never ennobles All her ideas were like smoke rings, I had to know things She was a tangle of questions" Boy meets Girl, only this isn't the typical girl that Boy is drawn to. She begins to challenge him mentally. Boy thinks he's just getting into another primarily physical relationship but she has ideas and is always thinking and pondering and trying to include him in her ponderings, such as… "How many eggs make up a pound? How many ears of corn in the Niblets? I was a person who would censor "Pee Wee's Adventure" She was exceedingly liberal." Boy sees her questions as unimportant or trivial, and realizes from the beginning that they are of two different mindsets… but he's hopeful and makes the best of it because emotionally he's becoming attached. "And we fell in love As the sunshine shone from the sunshine above Fell in love, whole loaf love." Though later through the interpretation things become increasingly negative… I believe that Boy and Girl do in fact fall in [what they believe to be] love… that all-encompassing, everything around us is beautiful kind of love that hits fast and hard. The more I hear it, the more I read it… I see it as the total "blinders on" infatuation that when cultivated becomes love. I don't think they really ever make it past that intense infatuation… "Try not to think when your inside Just keep your wide eyes wide wide open" Again, this is Boy realizing that while they have the instant attraction and enjoy each other's company, he is also starting to notice some of those little nuances or idiosyncrasies that weren't obvious at first. The kinds of things you really only start to notice when you are spending every moment with someone (say, living with), and they "stop being polite." He's basically telling himself not to too think to much about it, don't dwell on the little things because love makes the little things insignificant… don’t they? "I made a meal of the lighting, this was exciting We had a real urban drama." The line "meal of the lighting" to me is an artistic way of incorporating two typical cliches… biting off more than you can chew and playing with fire. The differences are starting to become a bit more obvious, perhaps a little disagreement or spat on occasion. Because it's so soon into the relationship it's cute, it's exciting, and well… isn't that what all people in love and in "grown up" relationships do? "She always said it again Just when she'd said it that's when she'd say it (How's that again?) She said my pasta was delicious, bit repetitious That kind of thing made me crazy." Girl has become quite comfortable in the relationship and in fact has begun to nag and criticize and make comments about everything… often times comment on the same things over and over again. The "pasta was delicious" line confused me for awhile… but to take a different perspective it has nothing to do with food and everything to do with the fact that as soon as Boy comments on something or perhaps criticizes something that Girl has said or done, she accuses him of nagging or harping on her. Once this becomes habitual, Boy begins to become quite disenchanted with the one-sidedness of the relationship. (Chorus) "Take a look around, the sun has gone down And I've had a good time, have you had a good time?" Boy is realizing that the relationship has run it's course and he is no longer in love and wants out. He's no doubt confronted Girl about this, and her reaction is one of surprise and incomprehension. He's saying that while he was very happy for awhile and enjoyed it, he's ready to move on… was there ever any point in the relationship in which you were happy? "I've loved without loss, I've put down my cross You know what I know, an' I’m goin' go." Boy saying that he believed himself in love, and gave his all… but it has become a chore and a task and he no longer finds happiness in it, it no longer is worth the effort, and he's ready to admit that his efforts are in vain. She's being stubborn, but he's insisting she see it for what it is and admit that the relationship is over, he's ready to go his way, and it's time for her to wake up and go hers. "She set my schoolhouse on fire Down in the fire the Angels are singing Notice a beautiful fire… Heavenly choir… Ahhhhh Ahhhhh Ahhhhhh " Ok, we can take this one of two ways… She's a psychotic pyromaniac with serious rejection and separation issues and has a very bad emotional reaction to being dumped, finds his beloved alma mater and burns it down… and the Angels are the sirens blaring and all he can think of is how lovely the flames look against the darkened sky… and he's filled with such anger and regret that he takes on the idea of leaping into that fire. Or, to take a more poetic meaning… "set my schoolhouse on fire"- her parting shots as leaves strike him to the core, wounding the vulnerable part of him that really did love her. "Schoolhouse" gives the image of children, and often times the sensitive easily-hurt part of us emotionally is likened to a child. Yet, even in his sadness Boy realizes that he did make the right decision, and though it was lovely while it lasted the relationship is indeed over. The "Heavenly choir" is his own quiet resignation and justification. END Yes, this is still my favorite song… I don't see it as bitter, or cynical… I think it is absolutely beautiful. I wish I had known it and loved it enough to appreciate the one or two times I heard it live early in my Fruhead-dom… and I'm sincerely hoping my request is granted in November. (Thanks for at least thinking about rehearsing it in Ohio, guys…) - --Angie Still, and probably forever a hopeless romantic. ...there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path... - --Morpheus The Matrix ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:19:11 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Next Submission: Fell In Love Incidentally, this is one of my favorite fruvous songs as well.... Sure, I am, without a doubt, a hopeless romantic... but hey... I've learned to live with that.... *grin* So... to contribute a bit...... a few of my own interpretaions of this song... these are the ones that differ from Angie's. Incidentally, I agree on most points..... but there are a few little things......... SnarkiFru wrote: > "I made a meal of the lighting, this was exciting > We had a real urban drama." > To me, "I made a meal of the lighting" means just that. I find that when I fall in love.. and I'm with that person, I try to drink in... to eat up... every thing around me during every moment I'm with them. Making a meal of the lighting is just that feeling...... just looking at the way the light falls on the walls, on the floor..... across her face. It makes you feel as if that's really all you need in life...... nothing else is important. That feeling is all there is... > "She always said it again > Just when she'd said it that's when she'd say it > (How's that again?) > She said my pasta was delicious, bit repetitious > That kind of thing made me crazy." See, I always heard it as her saying, "Well.... your pasta is delicious.... bit repetitious." and that's what made him crazy. Like, he slaved to create this dish for her.... and here she was, saying it was just like all his other pasta dishes. She's trying to be nice... and he knows it.... > "She set my schoolhouse on fire > Down in the fire the Angels are singing > Notice a beautiful fire… > Heavenly choir… Ahhhhh Ahhhhh Ahhhhhh " I sometimes also see that as: His "schoolhouse" is his innocent self. She broke through that... and showed him what true love really was..... The line "Down in the fire, the Angels were singing." Kind of makes me think that he sees this as both a blessing an a curse. On the one hand, there are angels singing.... that wonderful bliss of love. On the other hand, there is this fire they're singing in... which is the fire of "hell" or, to be more exact, the fact that that love has been lost.... and that he begins to doubt that true love really exists.... that it might just have been a figment of his infatuation. "Lo, tis a beautiful fire.... Heavenly choir." This, to me, is the part when he then thinks back on it.... remembers the beautiful things..... Yes... it was a fire, and all was destroyed.... but boy... what a nice fire it was while it lasted. I think that's what I have to say about it. I'm a bit tired..... :) Love ya, folks. nate ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 1999 11:37:17 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: All of the above *giggle* I took CDs to a friends wedding and got the DJ to play King of Spain and another one but I forget which one now. I figured he wouldn't have them, so I brought my own ammo. :-) ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:53:00 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: RE:ALL OF THE ABOVE Amy Walker wrote: "How do you feel when you imagine Moxy Fruvous as a big time, stadium playing band that never comes out after shows for fear of being swamped by the masses?" As one of those people in front (and i guess you could call me a fruhead;) ) i want to first say that i hope this does happen the lads deserve this they work hard now and have worked hard for years, they deserve the best that life has to offer. period. anything i would feel of a personal loss (and i would, just as I felt a loss when security came out at Habourfront this August and told me " the band doesn't want you around for sound check-that was personal -large crowds are not-believe compared to when i started following the band [spring/summer 1990]these _are_ large crowds)would be personal ,for me not for them. Meaning I would miss talking to them and getting to know them,Iwould not begrudge them any success they achive. They have added much to my life and for which I will always be grateful for and i may sound stupid,laigh if you want,but i pray for their happiness and sucess in life( as they see it ) daily. Anyhow, I guess my point is that having "large crowds-would change things but i have had a very unique view of the lads for some time -I realize that and am grateful for it, I will not succumb to the so-called exclusiveness that we sometimes get accused of ( not that Amy meant this ) Come one,Come all - the more the merrier andi ps I think one of the things that i would miss the most is the sense of community that fru-folk have with each other for some of us that is just as important as the band that it grew up aroung Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:54:52 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Re: Arab names >So... uh... wouldn't it make an awfully ODD name for a person? Would >you name your daughter "Ottawa"? I know someone named Paris. There are also cities named after people - Victoria (bc) comes to mind, so who knows? I also know someone named Mercedes.... Sara (how did we get back on the name-thread?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:51:39 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: RE:ALL OF THE ABOVE Carey asked: That got me wondering: have any of you ever tried requesting Fruvous songs, at a dance, or a reception/party, or another event like that? Even more importantly, if you have done that, did it work? I asked for and got fruvous at my brother's wedding.Sadly the dj wouldn't even consider Blue Rodeo though. I've also had dj's play my Fruvous disks at alomost every function I've been dragged to (I'm not a social creature!) if they on't have it and you do most dj's will at least try to accomadate you. trying never hurt andi Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:57:04 GMT From: Katherine Bunting Subject: Re: "there but for the grace..." josh drury writes: >"there but for the grace of God go I" > and coments about this phrase: and then: > my favorate adaptation of this was by Phil Oches My favorite use of the line is from Simon and Grafunkel's "Kathy's Song," "There but for the grace of you... go I." loves, Kate ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:20:51 -0400 From: "Anitra Setchell" Subject: Re: umulats > katy said, re: umlauts: > >>ah... and how exactly do you make one? or do all of you have amazingly cool >>keyboards? For those of us who have Macs out there, it's really easy: 1. Hold down the option key (or alt key), and type u. 2. Then release the key and type u again. Voilá! ü! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:04:20 +0000 From: Ben and Tara Cordes Subject: MA 'area' shows hi gang, long time no post. that's what I get for having a good job. bleah. Ben and I are planning on going to the Amherst, Somerville, and Clifton Park shows at the least, and possibly the ROchester show depending on when we move that weekend. (marlborough to tewksbury for those that know MA). I will probably put this on fruhead.com as well, but we can take people to any/all of these. we can take 2 or 4 people depending on how many are interested since we have 2 cars. we also have crash space. I think we'll be staying overnight at the NY shows. we will also be getting some darn fine sushi at the Clifton park show, so we'll be going early in the day. interested parties should reply :) coming soon: writing inspired by my poor generation. - -gothrfu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:34:47 GMT From: "Vokes, Laurie" Subject: RE: Arab names I have a musician friend named Paris - great guy! - -----Original Message----- From: Zainab [mailto:MAYALIN@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:03 PM To: ammf@fruvous.com Subject: Re: Arab names You could name some one London or Paris! I think there's a lot of name/place name crossover. Zainab ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:21:34 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: Re for norterners moving south before i get killed that was a mistake my brother sent it to me and i was trying to forward to a storage box -but out of habit put ammf's address sorry for any offense taken andi Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:18:36 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: Fwd: For Northerners Moving South - -- - --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:05:22 From: "Amy Simeister" To: salley@niktow.canisius.edu, djharkavy@aol.com, mattmor@yahoo.com,scottje@ns3.potsdam.edu, AlphaGarou@wolf-web.com, andi_3k@mailcity.com >-----Original Message----- For Northerners Moving South 1. Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later how to use it. 2. If you forget a Southerner's name, refer to him (or her) as "Bubba". You have a 50% chance of being right. 3. Just because you can drive on snow and ice does not mean we can. Stay home the two days of the year it snows. 4. If you do run your car into a ditch, don't panic. Four men in the cab of a four wheel drive pick up truck, with a 12-pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don't try to help them. Just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. 5. Don't be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store 6. Do not buy food at the movie store. 7. If it can't be fried in bacon grease, it ain't worth cooking, let alone eating. 8. Remember: "Y'all" is singular. "All y'all" is plural. "All y'all's" is plural possessive. 9. There is nothing sillier than a Northerner imitating a southern accent, unless it is a southerner imitating a Boston accent. 10. Get used to hearing, "You ain't from around here, are you?" 11. People walk slower here. 12. Don't be worried that you don't understand anyone. They don't understand you either. 13. The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner's vocabulary is the adjective "Big ol'", as in "big ole truck" or "big ol' boy". Eighty-five percent begin their new southern influenced dialect with this expression. One hundred percent are in denial about it. 14. The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. 15. Be advised: The "He needed killin'" defense is valid here. 16. If attending a funeral in the South, remember, we stay until the last shovel of dirt is thrown on and the tent is taken down. 17. If you hear a Southerner exclaim, "Hey, y'all, watch this" stay out of his way. These are likely the last words he will ever say. 18. Most Southerners do not use turn signals, and they ignore those who do. 19. Northerners can be identified by the spit on the inside of their car's windshield that comes from yelling at other drivers. 20. The winter wardrobe you always brought out in September before can wait until after Thanksgiving. 21. If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the most minuscule accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It does not matter if you need anything from the store and don't ask why; it is just something you're supposed to do. 22. Tornadoes and Southerners going through a divorce have a lot in common. In either case, you know someone is going to lose a trailer. 23. Florida is not considered a southern state. There are far more yankees than Southerners living there. In Florida, the farther south you go, the farther north you get. 24. You can ask a Southerner for directions, but unless you already know the positions of key hills, trees, rocks, and "where the ol' schoolhouse used to be," you're better off trying to find it yourself. 25. Remember that Spam is a delicacy down here. 26. So is "Beanie Weanie". Don't ask. 27. Speaking of meat, down here the word "barbecue" is a noun, not a verb or an event. Down here, we eat "barbecue" that has been prepared during a "cookout". We do not invite each other over for a "barbecue". 28. The proper word to say upon picking up a ringing phone is "Hey".> Do not use "Hello" unless you want to blow your cover. 29. Remember that when your hear the name "Jesse" down here, we're talking about "Helms", not "Jackson". 30. Always identify people in your yard before shooting at them. 31. Never forget that a college athlete's eligibility is grounds for acquittal on most minor criminal charges. As in "Aw heck, Your Honor, he didn't mean nothin' by it. He's just a sophomore is all." 32. NASCAR is a valid religion. True fanatics spray paint their favorite driver's number on their own car. 33. Speaking of paint, there ain't no better way to profess your love for your sweetie than a can of spray and a highway overpass. 34. There are only two kinds of music ... Country and Western. These are not the same thing. 35. The first day of deer season is an acceptable excuse for skipping school. I'm not kidding. 36. The term "you might could" is actually used and understood in casual conversation. 37. Upon meeting someone for the first time, you may get asked your church before you get asked your name. 38. Down here, Andy Griffith is the finest actor who ever lived. Don Knotts is a close second. 39. And that Dukes of Hazard show was really a documentary that the rest of y'all just didn't get. 40. If you drive a pickup down here, make sure it has a gun rack. Any pickup without a gun rack is an "import". ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:40:39 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:16:17 GMT, vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) wrote: > >So when're you coming to visit, Ross? > > When's the cheque for the plane ticket arriving? Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:40:40 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers Wow, that's a real eye opener folks. I always thought that a soundboard boot was a prized possession. Coo, you learn something new every day. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:40:41 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) On 22 Sep 1999 20:34:27 GMT, spychicr@aol.com (Rachel Marie) wrote: > --Rachel, who has tabs, yet no umlaut on this computer. Which is better? >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >Gag me with a spork. >Or not. > If you're using a Windows pc then hold down Alt and then press 0 2 5 2 on the numeric pad. That gets you a umlauted u. ScotFrü It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:40:41 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:52:17 -0400, Nate DeRose wrote: >Speaking of which... the first time I saw Rocky Horror Picture Show, I >watched it with my Mom. >:) > >I was about 13 or 14? > >*That* was a tad uncomfortable. > >hehehe >nate > > Fnar fnar, that's another good one though I think my parents are less bothered by that. Mind you, my mum does give me odd looks when I sing "Sweet Transvestite"! :-) ScotFrü It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:21:38 -0500 From: moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous) Subject: Washington Hi all! It appears from the discussion that I omitted the Washington info on the itinerary! The show is Saturday, November 20th at the 930 Club. Happy fru-tripping! Jude Judith Coombe Management Assistant, Moxy Fruvous 416-368-5599 moxy@passport.ca ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 1999 16:44:49 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Washington Whew ... THAT's a relief!!! Thanks Jude ... ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 1999 16:43:43 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Arab names >So... uh... wouldn't it make an awfully ODD name for a person? Would >you name your daughter "Ottawa"? And for all Wisconsinites, there are only about a million and a half Madisons! ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 1999 16:43:13 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: RE:ALL OF THE ABOVE Question -posed ... <> Well, if you're ever at a wedding or party in the DC/Va/Md. area with a band called Special Delivery, try asking the keyboard player to play something by Fruvous (my hubby). QL ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #844 ********************************************