From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #839 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, September 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 839 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Arab names ["Zainab" ] Re: second Conan song ["Kate Leahy" ] Dirty Banter Words ["Novac" ] Free Web Site Analysis [] Re: Bucks County Courier Times Article [thewolkes@earthlink.net (Fred Wol] Re: *itinerary* [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [ross_hendry@big] Re: Question about banter (kind of long) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross H] Re: *itinerary* [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: THE OFFICE GIRLS WANT FUN XXX [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: Question about banter (kind of long) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross H] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [ross_hendry@big] Re: aol sig preferences [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: alternative interpretations [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: Food for thought on Tapers [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [ross_hendry@big] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [Heybun@aol.com] Re: Food for thought on Tapers [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] 2nd song rip-off [Tamra ] Re: *itinerary* [Joe Navratil ] Re: 9:30 Club vs. The Birchmere [Katherine Bunting ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:51:10 -0500 From: "Zainab" Subject: Re: Arab names Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote in message: >As a student of Arabic, I feel I can safely comment on these: >Bilqis was the name of the actual queen of Sheba, wife of Solomon. Khadija >is the name of the wife of the Prophet Muhammad [1]. Wafiqa ... i suppose >you're right on that one. I just dunno. But as for Arabic names with cool >letters, try Zahra (beautiful) or Layla (meaning "night", also an Eric >Clapton song :). Maryam works well too - heehee. It means mother of Jesus, >simply another form of Mary or Miriam. Nice choices. I made up the name Ummallayla...which means mother of the night, roughly I like Aisha...who was Muhammad's favorite wife at the time of his death. Jannat...which means heaven, and is pronounced differently than Janet Latifah...which means nice or gentle Sonay...which is probably Turkish Perihan...which is definitely Turkish and means fairy princess Riyadh...which is a male name but still is awesome! Zainab [who was one of Muhammad's daughters] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:25:15 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: second Conan song >This is the _writers'_ definition of "really great material" we're >going by, right? Well, prolly the producer. I really don't know who has final say in what makes the show and what doesn't. My guess would be that Lorne Michaels has final veto. ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:53:32 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Dirty Banter Words > is f**k even a bad word anymore? 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I know precisely what song you're talking about! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:50:17 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: *itinerary* anitra@wpi.edu writes: << I'm going to college in Worcester,MA, >> Wasn't there a Boston (or somewhere to the effect of) on there for late November? You could try that. And depending on when you're go back to New York, Amherst December 3. - --------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:53 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) Just as an afterthough, I would happily watch a film full of swearing with my parents or go to a show but I would never, ever watch Chasing Amy with them! Weird huh? Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:54 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (kind of long) On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:29:41 GMT, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > >To summarize: Shit is worse than an orgasm. Anyone disagree? :) > >A.J. Well, if I was a parent I think I would be more tolerant of my kid saying "I need a shit" rather than "I need an orgasm!" ;-) Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:25:15 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: *itinerary* >so would anyone named mikewood who has seen them more than 20 times please >stop >whining about no TO dates.... Ok . . . I'LL whine. I bought my non-refundable flight tickets for Friday morning to get to the Rochester show. They moved it so I paid $25 to switch it to a night flight so I would get a full day's work in, now they cancel Toronto. This is eating into my travel budget and putting a crimp on getting to OTHER FruShows. :-P ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:56 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: THE OFFICE GIRLS WANT FUN XXX On 21 Sep 1999 00:54:40 GMT, Kerry Kent wrote: >THE GIRLS IN THE OFFICE WANT FUN > >COME TO OUR AMATEUR SITE XXX > >http://194.75.152.218/~monica_james/blink/officegirls.htm > > >AND THE REST OF THE AMATEUR GIRLS > >http://194.75.152.218/~monica_james/blink My mum's more worried about this kinda shit rather than me listening to swearing I reckon! Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:54 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (kind of long) On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:53:44 -0500, Chad Maloney wrote: > >At all-ages shows, the band makes a conscious attempt to not yell out of >fuck at each opportunity. The word is a part of their vocabulary and >they use it when they deem it appropriate. As good, responsible performers, >they do their best to modify their vocabulary to the audience. > Strangely, I reckon there's less swearing on my Metallica boots than on some Früvous. I'd've thought it would have been the other way around. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:52 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:13:03 -0400, Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > >They're just words. They don't hurt anyone. Tell your parents that. Tell >everyone that. It's a valuable lesson. "Oh no! That concert has warped my fragile little mind!" My friend and I went to see the South Park movie the other day and just about wet ourselves laughing. The best bit was that there was only about 8 people in the cinema and seeing grown people sing "Don't f*** with me unclef***er" and "Kyle's mom's a bitch" is a very funny site. Especially as audience participation (ie hooting, hollering, cheering clapping etc.) just does not happen in UK cinema's. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:51 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: aol sig preferences On 20 Sep 1999 21:43:14 GMT, dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny) wrote: >Genna wrote: >>I have tried to fine this alleged "signature (set in Preferences)" but i >>think >>it's a myth, must like the Loch Ness Monster. If you figure out how to make >>it >>work, let me know! > >Go to keyword: Newsgroups, click on "Set Preferences", and then the "Posting" >tab. You should be able to put in your signature there. > > >Christine > Well gee, there's an obvious way of doing it! :-) Every time I hear someone say "oh yes, computers are much easier these days. Anyone can use them" I have this urge to remove their lungs with a crowbar. I can't remember how many people I know who have paid £1500 or whatever on a system from PC World and then just leave it to sit in the corner cos they can't use it. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:55 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: alternative interpretations On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:48:26 GMT, "Leah W." wrote: >So the first time I heard the song "I Will Hold On" I didn't like it at >all, another silly love song & all that...Until I realized that it's not >about love at all. It's not even about a PERSON. > >it's about rugby. > >because in rugby, when you have the ball you will most likely get tackled. >When this happens you shouldn't just toss the ball, because then the other >team will most likely get it, and that's not good. You need to HOLD ON to >the ball until you hit the ground. I Will Hold On, you think, as you get >the wind knocked out of you. I Will Hold On and the rest is just >metaphorical for more rugby stuff. > >and suddenly I like the song so much better. > >leah > How to piss off an American Football fan 1) Yell "He passed the bloody thing *forwards*" all through a game. 2) Sigh audibly every time some idiot drops the ball and they have to stop and restart etc. ScotFrü It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:50 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers I shall just say that tapers are my bestest friends in the whole wide world! How else would I ever get to experience live Früvous?[1) Yes, there's LN but it's not quite the same cos of it's copy and pasted style. Really, I don't know what the people were complaining about? A 1/2 inch pole? They should try coming to the Cathouse in Glasgow, it has pillars in front of the bloody stage! Muckle big foot wide square pillars at either side. Now that is obstructive. I haven't really managed to win anybody over yet to Früvous using studio albums but if I put a bootleg on then they'll listen. Even my mate Phil (who hates MF on the principle that I like them, long story) seemed to be cocking an ear when I had the Story of BJ and Rachael on (cheers Chad). Just goes to show. Anyway, I prefer boots to studio albums 90% of the time anyway for all bands. There's just a better atmosphere with them. Doesn't mean to say I don't buy the album's as well (only two MF cd's to go! Easy b'day and xmas pressies for mum and dad!) so I'm not robbing anyone of money. Anyway, I shall finish there as I'm beginning to go off track. Forgive my addled brain, but couldn't you plug into the soundboard and negate the need for mics? ScotFrü aka Ross [1] I'm the Scottish one It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:53 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:57:35 GMT, SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: >I totally agree. Where I live, among people my age, you hear fuck almost >every sentence, even trivial sentences like "I dropped my pencil, can you >pick it up for me?" becomes "Ah, shit, I dropped my fuckin' pencil, fuckin' >pick that up for me (insert swear meant to be teasing a friend, to the effect >of beotch, fucker, etc)?" Or "We got fuckin' gym class next, it's so fuckin' >queer, I hate fuckin' sports and the teacher's such a fuckin' jock anyway." >We hear it so often, that saying "Fuck you" to someone while being angry or >something probably wouldn't get much reaction as a not nice thing to say. >Sometimes (as in the above cases) it sounds stupid and unnecessary, but >sometimes (as in parts of Lowest Highest Point) it sounds okay, or even >right, like it should be there. ::shrug:: Just a comment. > >---------------> Ln I found it uncomfortable during LHP whilst listening to it with my parents in the car as I found the use of it unnecessary but conversely, Naked Puppets I found very funny and could laugh it even though "motherfucker" should be worse than "..state without fucking skiing". I think all parents know that their kids use such language (or at least 99% of kids) but I do believe that they need to be taught, not so much when appropriate but when it's tolerated. Say if I was at my grandparents and I burnt myself on a hot pan or something. I would hold in swear words with all my might but if I did it at home I would most likely bellow an extremely loud "fuck!" or something similar. Wouldn't have done it when I was younger (I can vividly remember reducing myself to tears when I said "the F word" in front of my mum completely by accident once. I was making up words and it slipped out in the middle of one of my words. I was so upset that I had said such a thing.) but I know now that my parents aren't gonna smack me for doing so and understand that I was justified. If I'm out with my friends then it can sound like South Park : Bigger, Longer, Uncut at times but at times it's more like Telletubbies. (Though we're only reduced to "gaga's" after a fair few beers) What am I trying to say...um...swearing is a part of life whether we choose to say Belgium or bugger, everyone has naughty words. It's all a matter of context. So really I'm just backing up what others had said. ScotFrü It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:59:40 GMT From: Heybun@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) In a message dated 9/21/99 3:04:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SugarFly26@aol.com writes: << Sometimes (as in the above cases) it sounds stupid and unnecessary, but sometimes (as in parts of Lowest Highest Point) it sounds okay, or even right, like it should be there. ::shrug:: Just a comment. >> I usually lurk around the ng, but I have an opinion on this thread. I love "Live Noise", it truly represents the Lads in their best and most exciting setting. I think Lowest Highest Point rap is amusing EXCEPT for the continual use of the f-word. (I've also noticed in the shows I've seen it's usually Mike who's throwing the f-word around. I felt really embarrassed at it's use at the King of Prussial concert last year.) Anywho, The English language has a myriad of words to use for descriptive purposes. It is a language that has seamlessly incorporated many "foreign" phrases and words (i.e., joie de vivre, schlemiel, etc.) when an English word wasn't as effective. To use the f-word so blithely indicates (to me) a lack of resourcefulness on the speaker's part. Sure, it's been around since 1503 (See "The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary" 3rd ed. edited by C.T. Onions), but that doesn't mean it's appropriate to throw around loosely. It's only in our lifetime that it's even been allowed in print! To me, it's an ugly sounding word, with violent connotations, that make it's use appropriate only for serial rapists. I'm not crazy about the way people throw the word "suck" around either. Your friendly lexicographer, Bobbi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:16:17 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers Spake ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry): >Forgive my addled brain, but couldn't you plug into the soundboard and >negate the need for mics? You certainly could. IF you have the right wires for it. Which are quite expensive, as I understand it. Of course, they're probably not as expensive as some of the mics you'll see at Frushows. :) So when're you coming to visit, Ross? - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- http://www.fruhead.com/users/vika/index.html "Please, rename the moons of Jupiter to John, Paul, George and Ringo. I've spent my brain and can't retain this interstellar lingo. Rename the moons of Jupiter, the Beatles sure won't mind. I'll do my best to ace this test and pass your course this time..." -Michael Clem / EFO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:45:53 GMT From: Tamra Subject: 2nd song rip-off No second song for Frulads??!! I protest! Guess you can tell I haven't watched much late-night TV lately....(sigh) and I don't even get NBC from my DSS dish anymore (evilness is the local affiliate who denies me a major network) tamra, in the foothills of the Green Mountains where nary a TV broadcast signal doth penetrate....cable? whats that?? methinks I'm gonna write me a letter..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:28:17 -0400 From: Joe Navratil Subject: Re: *itinerary* Gramcracker wrote: > > Am I the only person on earth the nov.24 in rochester date is > reallyreallyreallyreallyreally reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally good > for? Meghan -- no, it's the day after my birthday (and the Worms somewhere close, I can't remember where) and only a six hour drive away, on effectively a Friday-ish Wednesday. So it's really^5 really^6 good for me, too. We might be the only two, though. -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:18:45 GMT From: Katherine Bunting Subject: Re: 9:30 Club vs. The Birchmere In Re: The Birchmere vs. The 9:30 Club as a venue... * * * * <<(as much as I'd rather see them at the Birchmere or something...)>> > why would you rather the birchmere? You can't even dance there and they have those darn no talking or standing signs on every table. -nov * * * * Personally, it's a physical thing. I can only stand up for just so long; I'm having knee surgery (likely) later this year. I only survived the last 9:30 Club show because we were sitting on the stools in the balcony. (Thanks, Kelly MacD, for that idea!!) The last couple of shows at The Vault in Baltimore have been really tough; the last one, in particular, because they didn't even have stools at the bar like they did at the prior show. While I *love* to see the Lads do a rockin' show in a rock club, I can't stand through an entire set. They're *gifted* in their ability to play really long shows, but for folks like me (at 23, sadly; most knee replacements happen to people 60+) who need to *sit down* at some point, venues with seating (assigned, or otherwise) are often a better bet. Also, seated venues can often help avoid the "Hey, I'm five feet tall, what's this six-foot-four guy [apologies to tall folks] doing standing in front of me, I can't see!" thing; also, avoids things like being knocked into by obnoxious people, or danced into by those who aren't terribly adept at keeping within their own personal space. (Before the flames start roaring on that one, I know not all dancing folks do this! However, it's been a problem at past concerts, and has been discussed in-depth here, so it bears mention.) In regards to things like the "no talking" signs-- you're also going to have a better chance (usually) that the staff of the joint will respect that as well-- unlike the folks at The Vault who feel compelled to crash beer bottles at quiet points of songs... !! Just $ .02. It comes down to this: if there's no opening act, I can stand through the set. If there's an opener, plus waiting time, I can't do it. Which stinks. loves, Kate ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:15:52 GMT From: Heybun@aol.com Subject: Re: *itinerary* In a message dated 9/22/99 9:05:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, navratil@umich.edu writes: << Gramcracker wrote: > > Am I the only person on earth the nov.24 in rochester date is > reallyreallyreallyreallyreally reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally good > for? >> Not at all! My daughter is a senior at U. of R. Instead of her rushing home to Pennsylvania after classes on Weds. for a frantic Thanksgiving weekend, I'm going to have a leisurely drive up so she and I can see Fruvous together. This is very, very good. Now if only I knew EXACTLY WHERE in Rochester I'm going for htis concert! Bobbi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:58:19 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers In article <37E7A3A0.C71F575B@earth.goddard.edu>, Nate DeRose wrote: > However, they're playing huge venues.... statiums, open fields, etc.... > whereas fruvous is playing mainly small clubs. as i said yesterday, i saw phish in 92 playing a club that holds *maybe* 4 or 500 (ziggy's in winston-salem, nc.. hi joe! ;). there were fewer tapers then, but they had their setup. it doesn't have to be roped off or anything-- it can work. peace, ellen *************************************** We are islands to each other Building hopeful bridges On a troubled sea. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #839 ********************************************