From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #832 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, September 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 832 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [vika@fruhead.co] Fox Thing In The Morning [starry2000@aol.comedy (Christie Flynn)] Re: Bucks County Courier Times Article ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Re: Food for thought on Tapers [SnarkiFru ] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [Lawrence P Solo] Re: Question about banter [Nate DeRose ] 10/31/98 show at the Iron Horse [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [ivywings@aol.co] more Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [SugarFly26] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [serra44@aol.com] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [SugarFly26@aol.] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) ["Cameron Ross" ] Re: Murray is God (was: Re: The Chicago Metro Show...) [srm9988n@aol.com] Re: Dave & Murray's Eyes? [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot ] Re: Murray is God (was: Re: The Chicago Metro Show...) [srm9988n@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:30:09 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) I said: >That's their prerogative. Trutzno's post wasn't inviting you to pass What I meant was "Truztno's post..." and so on. Sorry. :) - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- http://www.fruhead.com/users/vika/index.html "Please, rename the moons of Jupiter to John, Paul, George and Ringo. I've spent my brain and can't retain this interstellar lingo. Rename the moons of Jupiter, the Beatles sure won't mind. I'll do my best to ace this test and pass your course this time..." -Michael Clem / EFO ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 1999 00:37:01 GMT From: starry2000@aol.comedy (Christie Flynn) Subject: Fox Thing In The Morning Hola, folks. Since I'm currently at school in central Illinois, I didn't get a chance to see this myself yet... but I asked my mother to tape it and give me a full report. Here's what she said: "The boys played out on Michigan Avenue--to a small but appreciative crowd. There were 2 short pieces at different times to intro. the upcoming segment. Then they showed the crowd waiting at the Metro and showed a short clip inside. I saw where we were each time, but couldn't really see us. They had a little interview time... Jian was the spokesman, but the others got their chances as well. Then they played Splatter Splatter, which, by the way, they will play on Conan." Not exactly what I'd call a FULL report, but that was essentially the show. I assume that if there had been any earthshattering revelations she would have told me, so I figure it was your standard interview. =) ====== Christie ====== - -starry2000@aol.com- - -christie@fruhead.com- - -highlyillogical@earthling.net- - -overkillontheemailaliases@iknowiknow.leavemealone- ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:46:03 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: Re: Bucks County Courier Times Article Ohhh PLEASE don't mention that tune!!!! All the way through Ottawa\Toronto we sang that to count the people in the group (which didn't make much sense because there was 14 people). Anytime someone counts like that it brings back...well some fond and not so fond memories. That aside however I actually think that that particular tune could make it for Fatboy Slim. They've done enough plagerising already don't you think? :0 If you don't know what I'm talking about, Fatboy Slim stole a guitar riff from a cover of a Stevie Wonder song that was by a Calgary musician. They used it in some movie soundtrack that I don't remember but they settled out of court so now everything is all hunky-dory. - -- Cara (Laika) Kozack "It's a reference to a _____ that you've never even heard of by\in a _____ that you probably don't even like." My e-mail at fruomffan@xoommail.com My world at http://www.crosswinds.net/~fruomffan Josh Drury wrote in message >though none can compare to "One-two-three FOUR-five, six-seven-eight NINE-ten, >eleven twelve. (Doo do do do do doo, do do do do doo, do do do do, do doodoo >doo)" I'm surprised that hasn't found its way onto a Fatboy Slim song yet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:42:48 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) The Toolman wrote: > >I'll put a disclaimer on this, since it appears that some people are fairly > >anal about language usage here. > > (I guess that would be me..) no, actually. your attitude sounds reasonable to me. it's not necessarily anyone who has posted on this thread, but I know there are people who hate it when someone says a "bad word" on the newsgroup. > In your opinion. Unless you have children, and have had to deal with > this situation, you speak from little or no experience. given that I remember my childhood pretty well as it happened not very long ago, I'd have to say I *do* have experience on the issue - I've talked to my parents about it. Now, I'll grant that my parents are pretty liberal people, so maybe they're not the best example, but they always taught my brother and me from the beginning that the words were not harmful but that people wouldn't really like it if we used them. But they did not, by any means, try to prevent us from hearing them or tell us about the "bad words" in that way. > >The words by themselves, unless specifically intended to hurt (like derogatory > >terms for specific groups of people) are totally harmless. > > Until a kindergardener says 'F***ing Nap Time Again??' and how is that harmful? > No, a parent who tries to prevent their children from hearing the > words are trying to structure an environment that they feel is the > proper one for their age group. Teaching a child to swim is always > best done before throwing them into the shark tank. erm, those statements seem to contradict each other. I think it's best to make children informed about things before they are in situations where those things will matter. In this case, I think it's better that the children are aware of what the words are, what they mean, and why a lot of people consider them offensive. Once they reach a certain age or maturity level, they will have the responsibility to know what's appropriate at what times. Until that point, though, the parental guidance should be such that they don't just think of the words as bad, but know that a lot of people don't appreciate them being used. > I think you should probably give parents the benefit of the doubt > here. After all, they have to do it 24/7. There aren't 'days off' > from parenting. We're all doing the best we can. It's not like we > had to pass a test to become parents. We just do it one day at a > time. well, yes, but I've done some casual observation of people and how they interact with their parents, or what they've told me about their home environment, and I can't help but notice a connection - those who grew up in a very sheltered environment are now highly repressed and overly cautious about *everything*. But the parents who don't keep their kids from anything, and follow it up by telling them "No, no no!" are also an extreme - by clamping down so hard, the children will rebel as soon as they get a chance to. (and no, I was not a psychology major, nor did I ever take a class in it - these are just my personal observations) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:37:22 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: OT: confusing letters In a message dated 9/20/99 6:04:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, umdruryj@cc.umanitoba.ca writes: << LOL! But I'm pretty sure that if I had the choice of which five successive consonants I could fit into MY name, they would definitely be T, Z, S, C, and H. >> Another one...kid I know from school, born and raised for a while in Poland. His last name is spelled (let's see if I get this right) Brzykcy. Pronounced Brick-See. - --------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:31:39 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: OT: spelling Nietzsche (was the Murray/God thing) In a message dated 9/20/99 4:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, navratil@umich.edu writes: << -Joe, who actually thinks 'Nietzsche' is the least memorable combination of letters possible. >> Lol. Spelling test. Teacher: Okay, there's one bonus question. First who said "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."? Class: ::smile. thought bubble:: . . o 0 (this is easy). Teacher: "Spell it." - ------------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:54:18 -0400 From: truztno1 Subject: OT: "appropriate" language (was Re: Question about banter) Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > truztno1 wrote: > > > [a bunch of stuff about your parents attitudes snipped] > > don't tell your parents about it, and get someone else to take you. I mean no > offense to you or your family, but it sounds like your parents have serious > sticks up their asses. I don't think any serious offense was meant, and I've already been spoken for by Vika and Tim, so I won't say any more about your choice of wording. : ) That said, I'll just say one more thing and shut up. WARNING: This is sort of being redundant to what Tim said about hearing young children say, for example, "IT'S F****** NAP TIME," etc., if parents don't set down rules. Anyway, my point is that, if somewhere along the way, there are no standards, it may just get a little bit out of hand. Sure, I may be old enough to hear the stuff, and I don't think my parents are sheltering me, IMHO. I think they're just trying to protect me from overexposure- as a kid, I can still say that whether one's parents tries to protect one from bad language, etc., us kids will still hear it anyway ! And I think most parents know this, and are just trying to do their job. I don't really agree with their actions, but I don't hate them for it, either, because I can see where they're coming from; nobody's perfect. I think that the guys will excercise good judgement and use language somewhat "better" in an all-ages venue than an 18+ bar/club. And my parents already know that they may not use "appropriate language" at most shows, I was just worried about extreme cases. ~truztno1, whose post has once again become longer than it was supposed to be... *sigh*. homework, here I come! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:51:26 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about banter Mer said something to the effect of: Ln ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:54:55 GMT From: seqiro@mail2.nai.net (Paul D. Beasi) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:54:39 GMT, sittin'onthecouch@home.com (The Toolman) wrote: >We took our 10-year old daughter Kelsey to 2 shows so far. The first >was at Maxwell's in Hoboken NJ. She was right up front, and the first >time the word 'f...' was said, Jian apologized to her for it, but the >running joke was that it was nothing she hadn't heard in school. That was you folks? I think we might have talked to you in line at one point! Unless that was someone else, who knows I can't remember what I had for lunch today. :) Anyway, I have that show on CD, it's one of my favorites. :) Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:57:37 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: alternative interpretations Leah W. wrote: > So the first time I heard the song "I Will Hold On" I didn't like it at > all, another silly love song & all that...Until I realized that it's not > about love at all. It's not even about a PERSON. > > it's about rugby. (Keanu voice): Whoa... Actually, I was just in one of my Hydraulic structures lectures today, y'know, talking about the n coefficient for Manning's equation and such, when I was suddenly reminded of the "start off straight but I get to meander" line from Earthquakes, and I realised: wait a minute, that's what all good streams do! As a stream matures from a relatively straight mountain stream into a mature river, it meanders more and more as its decreased slope and wide flood plain will allow. Wow, good metaphor, Dave! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:48:33 GMT From: SnarkiFru Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers Josh responded to a comment from Mer, and Frances responded to Josh thusly: >b) And I'm sure your acts are appreciated by many, but maybe you should >consider > the purpose of a concert, and the reason Fruvous tours constantly >(i.e., > promoting > new release, growing fan base) Maybe your activities that evening were >to the > detriment of the band's efforts to attract new fans/sell records. I have to speak up for Josh and the other tapers on this one. Fruvous encourages taping of shows so long as the tapers don't sell the recordings for profit. It is in fact one of the many valuable tools used in spreading the gospel of Fruvous. Remember that MF touts itself as a band performing on a grassroots level, and for the most part a good portion of their fan base has perpetuated because of word of mouth from other fans... and the sharing of live concert tapes. Sure, anyone who wants the live experience can go out and buy Live Noise (which, if I'm not mistaken, one of _Josh's_ recordings made it onto the album)[1]. There are some people that only after hearing a recording of a live show will actually make the trek to go and see for themselves what sounded like such a good time on tape. Sure, the tapes are also incredibly valuable to those of us who have milestone or memorable shows and want to have that preserved for all time as well (my wish list is huge, but I can't afford blanks just yet to send out). The other nice thing about the tapers is that fact that they are cool people in general, and what better way to get to meet someone than to go to FHDC and find a taper with show XX/XX/XX and start up email, and then realize you'll be at the next show and if you give him/her a blank tape they'll hook you up with that show... next thing you know you've got a new friend (Right Dan? Paul B?). It is a shame that some of these fruvirgins were inconvenienced, and I would hope that their experience wasn't ruined... otoh it takes nothing to go up and ask kindly what's going on or if they can move or what have you. Dealing with tapers is the same as dealing with the 7 ft. tall guy who was waiting at the door since 5pm to get a good spot for Fruvous when they come on at 11:30p and he's blocking someone's view. Be nice and ask, he might say that he was there first, but you never know until you try. The other thing to consider is that most fruvirgins are associated with fruheads of some sort and if they just ask they usually will find out what's up with the tapers and such... and again would hope it doesnt' result in them being so disgusted they never return (most people, when finding out the show is being taped, will probably end up lurking around the tapers to find out if they can get a copy of that show anyway...) Ok, so I said a hell of a lot more than i intended... and probably ended up not being that much afterall... but I felt I had to make a comment in support of our dear friends the tapers... they are slowly growing breed... but as Fruvous grows so does our access to all of their greatest (and not so greatest) moments... - --Angie [1] Ok, I checked FDC and it was _Jason Reiser_, not Josh credited in the Live Noise liner... but Josh has some kickin' material AND a kickin' website to boot: www.fruhead.com go there and go often!!! :^) (how's that for a recovery?) ...there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path... - --Morpheus The Matrix ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:42:08 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) (another disclaimer) Looking over this message, I *hope* I've cleared up any misconceptions about my attitude. But I do notice a bit of a tongue-in-cheek tone in parts of this. And I know I do that a lot, too. But I figure that the parts I intended to be serious and apologetic still are. Vika Zafrin wrote: > This first phrase of yours could be taken either as insulting or as an > example of careless speech. Neither speaks in your favor, Lawrence. Well, I do "call 'em as I see 'em," and in a lot of cases I will speak my mind about something I feel strongly about, and it often comes out harsher than intended. It was more to say that I've seen some debates about what is considered "appropriate content" for the newsgroup and that some people seem to be vehemently opposed to any "bad words" appearing, even in context (which is the only case I would use them[0], anyway - ironically, in a discussion about the words themselves :) and I didn't want people filling my inbox with complaints that my post contained certain words used only in examples. In any case, I did not intend to insult anyone, because hey, "what makes a person so poisonous righteous that they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?"[1] > That's their prerogative. Trutzno's post wasn't inviting you to pass > judgement on anyone's parents; the question pertained to live show true enough. I just didn't think about it enough before I hit the "send" button. > banter. Whether or not you agree with the parents of any Fruhead, > realise that there are different ways to express disagreement, and you > were less than careful in your choice of words. As a result, you came > across as rude. Yeah, and for those who know me from the TMBG list, I've often been harsher than necessary there sometimes, although for some reason, I feel less inclined to try to stay on the good side of everyone because there isn't as strong a sense of community over there.[2] Either way, I never meant to be rude (rudeness bugs me) but rather honest about what I thought. But I guess if I'm going to be *that* honest about some things, it's best for me to keep my mouth shut (or my keyboard, or whatever an appropriate analogy is) I do agree that there are better ways of saying "I think your parents are a bit on the strict side" than the way I did. :) > Not that I don't do that myself at times. Hello, kettle, I am pot. heh. I do that, too (give criticism for something I do myself), but I sometimes forget to disclaim it. which means that when I do, I come off as a hypocrite, which is the last thing in the world I want to be considered. [0][3] I don't consider the phrase "sticks up their asses" swearing. [1] Yes, I know I made a "value judgement" on Truztno1's parents and on those who seem to care "too much" about people's choice of words in newsgroup postings, which makes this an odd thing for me to say in my own defense. But I never thought less of them, just of some of their ideas. [2] Of course, those tmbg-list people who are also here aren't included in the list of "people I don't care much about" because you all are cool. :) [3][4] I put that footnote in as an afterthought, which is why it's number 0. [4] this is too many footnotes. - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:23:40 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Question about banter SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: > > Mer said something to the effect of: > > Ln She SUUUUUUUUUURE did. :) nate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:29:40 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: 10/31/98 show at the Iron Horse Hey, sorry to have to bug everyone with this post. My mailbox has been going out of control with stuff and I'm tryna do 9 million things at once, but I remember someone offering very very very very nicely ::smile:: to make me a copy of the 10/31/98 show at the Iron Horse, and I was wondering who it was so I could see about still taking them up on that offer if at all possible. If it was you, get back to me? Many thanks! - --------> Ln, about to wear out her posting welcome after the mess of posts tonight and recently. :) ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:28:32 GMT From: ivywings@aol.com (katy) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) > if they don't say "F***ing Nap Time Again" they will say "I hate Nap >Time" or "Nap Time is horrible." It's what the words mean, not the actual >words that are really important well, technically, sure... but it's not so much the word "fuck" as the sexual connotation/definition it has... hate is certainly negative, but the connotation is not of a violent rape type experience - ----------- "what should katy bring to the picnic?" "why, the incendiary comments!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:23:25 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: more Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) zaph commented: << In this case, I think it's better that the children are aware of what the words are, what they mean, and why a lot of people consider them offensive. Once they reach a certain age or maturity level, they will have the responsibility to know what's appropriate at what times. Until that point, though, the parental guidance should be such that they don't just think of the words as bad, but know that a lot of people don't appreciate them being used. >> For the mostpart I agree, but I also think it depends on the child, whether or not they should be told what a certain word means. I think it takes a certain maturity level to first tell them the meaning of the word and that you're doing it at the right time, and that it gets explained "right" and then at the 'next' maturity level the child be old enough to tell whether or not it's appropriate. - ---------> Ln, commenting from a teen point of view, and thinking of younger siblings and hoping that all made sense. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:19:00 GMT From: serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) I went to Rocky Horror with a bunch of friends the other night, and they brought their friend, we'll call her M. M was an RHPS virgin, and went up to take part in the "let's fake an orgasm" contest that they do every week for the Rocky virgins. The contest was over, and M sat down in her seat next to mine. She turned to me, and completely seriously asked me, "Jill, what's an orgasm?" The girl is 18 years old. IMO, that's being innocent for a little too long. The thing that baffled me, was that she was knowledgeable about other things that would imply knowing what an orgasm was. Note 2: I told my friend Kigho who's a fruvirgin, but is looking forward to seeing them, about Jian's "naked orgasm" comments. We laughed about going to a show naked and doing just that. (we were joking, don't worry!) - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Member of the Jian and Murray fan clubs Owner of all the MF albums and all of Ani DiFranco's "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:11:47 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) sittin'onthecouch@home.com writes: << Until a kindergardener says 'F***ing Nap Time Again??' >> Being a sophomore in high school and watching/meeting the incoming freshmen and the incoming 7th and 8th graders who happen to share our school...it wouldn't altogether surprise me, as it seems (at least around here) that while some kids are getting 'better' a lot are getting 'worse', my class included. Picking up my 4th grade brother to walk him home from school and hearing a 5th grader and his 8th grade brother (who I happen to know) running down the hallway swearing and shouting something about "getting laid by his girlfriend that night" (who I also happen to know) isn't what I'd have expected my 9 year old brother to be hearing. Even with the lecture the boys got from the principal. Also unexpected were the comments coming a few days later by the 7 and 11 year old siblings of one of my friends such as "What's a virgin and a condom?" when I see them standing near the curb waiting for the bus. What the heck do I say to that? I asked where they had heard that, to which I was replied with at recess. And the persistent, "Well, what is it?" Pretty much speechless, I said something to the effect of a virgin being someone not totally grown up and at that moment their bus came. I mentioned it to my friend, and she thought she should probably tell her mother. ::shrug:: Makes me glad to have had the parenting I did, though sometimes they drive me crazy. ::shrug again:: - ---------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:23:26 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) >Face it. These kids will grow up and be PART of that 'society' Yes, and although the society teaches that they are bad words... it also uses them constantly. >> >>The words by themselves, unless specifically intended to hurt (like derogatory >>terms for specific groups of people) are totally harmless. > >Until a kindergardener says 'F***ing Nap Time Again??' ...So? if they don't say "F***ing Nap Time Again" they will say "I hate Nap Time" or "Nap Time is horrible." It's what the words mean, not the actual words that are really important >>> There is also the aspect of how one wants their children to >>> communicate to the rest of the world. My kids know all the words, but >>> (to my knowledge) don't use them randomly sprinkled through their >>> vocabulary. Until kids mature to the point of knowing when a certain >>> word might be appropriate (hitting thumb with hammer, then saying >>> 'Aww, raspberries!' seems a little extreme..) and when such language >>> is inappropriate, a certain amount of decorum is in order. >> >>But that means you're doing your job as a parent. The parents who try to >>prevent their children from hearing the words are creating an environment >>unlike one their children might be in when they are grown and out of the >>house. I think it's far worse for someone to first hear these words, say, in >>high school, and have no idea about "appropriate" or inappropriate usage. > >No, a parent who tries to prevent their children from hearing the >words are trying to structure an environment that they feel is the >proper one for their age group. Teaching a child to swim is always >best done before throwing them into the shark tank. The one major important part with this is that it really doesn't matter. Kids will here it, it is impossible for them not to, and they will also use the language. Because while the house environment that they structure can be happy and swear-free, it is not the only environment that the child is exposed to, and probably the least influencial on the child's life (at least, that is what it was like for me) - - Life101 - "I get lost and found so many times in a day" Andrea Florian - -=( http://www.mental.nu/~life101 | ICQ:39307347 )=- ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:37:56 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Murray is God (was: Re: The Chicago Metro Show...) Jotzsch Drury said: >LOL! But I'm pretty sure that if I had the choice of which five successive >consonants I could fit into MY name, they would definitely be T, Z, S, C, and >H. >How can you go wrong? Me, I always wanted a Q. In fact I've always liked those Arabic names that end in Q, but as I don't appear to be Arabic at all, taking one would be a ... um ... misnomer. And I never felt much like a Queenie or a Quentin or a Quincey either. Any bright ideas out there? - -- Loriq Marqtin ************************* X is also an interesting letter ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 1999 03:27:49 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Dave & Murray's Eyes? Joni elaborated: >Let me add to Deb's comment only this....Murray's eyes are a dark, deep >blue. yes indeed they are. oh yes. um ... think stormclouds. or a deep still lake. >Dave's eyes are much lighter. sweet baby blues, all the way. Fordy's a blue-eyed boy, too. >Hmm, me, paying too much attention to detail? Never! Just strying to help. Oh, heck, I'm *very* detail-oriented, and I'll admit it. :> Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~~^~ ^~^~^ ~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~ ^~^ ^~^~^~ ^~^~ ^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly-updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 1999 03:14:26 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Murray is God (was: Re: The Chicago Metro Show...) The force of evil creativity that is Joe's mind said: >Actually, I'm beginning to think that Murray never actually existed, and >as such Fruheads were forced to create him. This would explain why Murray is so amenable to suggestion, and takes in good grace such indignities as being forced to perform a drum improv, or proclaimed dead. I mean, can you remotely imagine the guys doing improv with Dave on violin or Jian on bass? I don't *think* so. And what if Joe were to announce that Jian was dead? Joe's next concert appearance would be filled with all manner of Jian-sponsored abuse, is my bet. Were he to announce Fordy were dead, Joe would be leapt upon, possibly pounded, definitely called a f***er, and quite likely subdued by an excess of webs. Dave wouldn't notice, of course, because he's an alien on another plane of existence, and doesn't read the ng anyway. But Murray, as a fully operational figment of our world, just smiles graciously and says "oh, so that was you. I heard about that. Okay." Then he goes back to perfecting another bassline, which was of course our purpose in creating him, or to crushing someone in a video game, which is an uncalculated but satisfactory side-benefit. Or -- most importantly -- to projecting his consciousness to form the rest of the band. The Murray clearly is an improvement over our previous invention -- the Milli Vanilli. The Murray not only performs believably as itself, but it sees all -- knows all -- and thus generates an entirely satisfactory reality, including elves and dumbeks and a holiday called Rush Hashanah, solely for the benefit of the Frühead community. So should we quit while we're ahead -- in fact, when we can safely say we've outdone ourselves in creating this uncommonly durable crucible of all things Früvous -- or tempt the fates by trying to invent someone else, instead of leaving it all up to Murray? - -- Lori ********************** not just fictional device ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #832 ********************************************