From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #820 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 820 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OT: tory cassis show @ UofTO 9/18 [Taryn Chase ] Re: Gord's Gold [michykith@aol.com (Michykith)] OT: tory cassis in general [Josh Drury ] Re: I have a college pal... [Josh Drury ] Re: Earthquakes, etc. [Josh Drury ] Re: Gord's Gold [dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny)] Re: I have a college pal... [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Earthquakes, etc. [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Public Interest yesterday [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Review in Pulse! magazine [dopeytoo ] home made paraphanalia? [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: I have a college pal... [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Douglas Adams takes over the world! ["Jennifer Schlosser" ] YEAH to Re: Earthquakes, etc. [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Chameleon Club [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] Re: I have a college pal... ["Novac" ] Re: I have a college pal... ["Novac" ] Re: I have a college pal... ["Novac" ] Re: I have a college pal... ["Novac" ] Re: I have a college pal... ["Novac" ] Re: For the Mike Bullard show attendees ["Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: OT: tory cassis show @ UofTO 9/18 so, i'm half writing to *plug* this upcoming Tory Cassis show, which--according to the Resort Music site--is at Convocation Hall this saturday with John Prine... and half to ask if anyone has any details. (ya know, like what time it might start, etc.) i looked on the University of Toronto site too but couldn't find anything. UofTO students? anyone? anyone? bueller? ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 19:14:41 GMT From: michykith@aol.com (Michykith) Subject: Re: Gord's Gold > >In article <19990914181518.87725.qmail@hotmail.com>, > "Carey Farrell" wrote: >= >> finally played it for my potential-Fruhead friend Megan, who's really >into >> Gordon Lightfoot, and she was hysterical. That's the song that got my mom hooked on Fruvous. She and my dad are folk singers, so i knew she would dig the song. And she did! She's been a fruhead, not to mention a mikeperson, ever since! ~Joni (fnjoni@fruhead.com) * * * * I saw an old lady crossing the street when the sign said don't walk...So, being the law abiding citizen that I am, I ran her over. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:54:38 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: OT: tory cassis in general So, I guess at least some of you have heard him play, especially in the Toronto area. Can anyone tell me what we can expect when he opens for the Fru in western Canada? Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:38:14 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: I have a college pal... Cameron Ross perplexed me with: > > But that just doesn't fit with the rest... basically it would be saying > "most patrons rewind, but the clerks don't mind?" > > if it was that only a few rewinded it would make sense... but that isn't > what they are saying is it? :) > But, no, it's... Because... Now, if you think about it... uh... Consider... AAAUGH! I can't think anymore! Damn these unlicensed frosh week beer bashes! Josh Drury University of Someplace or Another ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:45:05 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Earthquakes, etc. Ellen wrote: > In article , > SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: > > > Maybe it makes it more effective as a hate song...quiet rather than > > loud and angry. > > i think that Hate Letter is sort of a misnomer, actually. i hear no hate > in any of the lyrics-- no emotion at all, really. i guess Indifference > Letter doesn't scan as well, though. Yes and No. The beauty of it is that it's pure evil! It's like it's saying "I don't care about you, in your face", without even caring enough to get in your face! I mean, if you write someone a hate letter, at least you acknowledge feelings for them. In this song, it's sort of a "I CAN live with or without you", so the ex is made to feel inconsequential, their existence making no difference at all. Can your standard hate letter be so demeaning? Nuh-uh. Evil! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 20:20:28 GMT From: dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny) Subject: Re: Gord's Gold Carey wrote: >Oops, while I was relating my silly story about my friend Megan and "Gord's >Gold," I forgot to include her reaction to Murray's verse (aka "The Smarmy >Verse") on "Big Fish": >"He sounds like Barry Manilow!" Heh... and then there's my friend's reaction to Murray's verse in Entropy: "Don't you think this guy sounds kinda like Wakko from Animaniacs?" Of course, she's also the one that'll listen to Your New Boyfriend and Kick In The Ass and say, "But they sound so happy about it!" Bored on an unplanned four-day weekend, Christine "The drunks are rounded up again and placed in an end zone of the football field. This time, the PA system plays a recording of a female voice yelling, 'How dare you come home drunk again!', causing the drunks to panic and run about. How will this affect the time needed for the drunks to reach equilibrium?" - excerpt from a biology worksheet ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 20:20:06 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: I have a college pal... i whole heartedly agree with novac who said: >> But listen... it is "Contrary to the desperate sign, [that] most patrons >> always 'please rewind'" >> >> So if most patrons always rewind? the sign would say "Don't rewind" >correct? >> (I was going to wait for someone else to bring that up :) > >I have also thought about that in the past. But, there are other ways of >interpreting it. > >The quote, again: >"So contrary to the desparate sign, most patrons always "please rewind!" >And the clerks don't mind, they're very kind, the only stickler has >resigned" > >It could mean: So contrary to the desparate sign [of "be kind, rewind"], >most patrons always [recieve the admonishing message of] 'please rewind!'" >This interpretation would also straighten up confusion with the following >line, which notes that the clerks don't mind the patron's failing at >rewinding. Even if the sign DID say "Don't rewind", the following line would >then be saying that the clerks, if UNkind, would mind that the patrons broke >the 'law' and rewound. >Thus, it's saying that: Most patrons always fail to rewind (who wants to?) >contrary to that sign, and the clerks (or sign) screams at them "please >rewind!", but they still don't charge the fee because they're kind. >I'm sure I've confused everyone who isn't following this thread. Mission >accomplished. ive been considering this for a long time. it bothered the heck out of me. let me try and clarify what he's saying. the patrons did NOT rewind. the sign said "be kind rewind" or simething to that effect. the partrons would attach post-its that said "please rewind". allerting the video store owners that said patron had not rewound the tape. (or something to that effect). so, contrary to the despereate sign most patrons [said] "please rewind" and the clerks dont mind.(their very kind). the only stickler got frustrated with his lazy patrons and quit! get it?? solem genna ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 20:09:19 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: Earthquakes, etc. first, for those of you who dont want to read my lengthy earthquakes impression heres my quicky comment on hate letter. >> Maybe it makes it more effective as a hate song...quiet rather than >> loud and angry. i think that the indifference is a very effective tool of agrivating someone. as my AP psych teacher said when *not* yelling at someone for passing notes. "you'll find i never yell either, it's counter productive. instead i smile and speak quietly, it makes you more nervous." which it does. his little speach had me VERY frightened of him. so, i think his hate/anger is carefully controlled in order to frustrate the hell out of the recipient of the letter (note: i'm not a major fan of this song. i find that i cant concentrate on it. but i must admit the indifference of the lyrics and sound is increadably artistic). ok, now for earthquakes. i think it's a comment on aging. not dying. not god. just aging. although i consider dave young. almost-30 is not even middle age! he seems to feel middle-ageness encroaching, and he looks at getting even older that in this song. he seems a bit scared to me. and frustrated. "He doesn't care if you're punctual no reward for an early bird. And he don't care if you're dysfunctional, we've only recently heard that word. And the infamous nictotine user. I think he doesn't really care about that. The butcher, the baker, the boozer. It doesn't matter if you're skinny or fat." he=old age despite the fact that society condems smokering, red-meat-eating, sweets, alcoholl and excessive fat or lack of fat as being life shortening. we all hit the end of our life. and despite the fact that we try to be on time/early for things, it doesnt really save us time. there is no such thing as saving time. we all grow old. just as fast as we would have. "But, look at the clouds, look at the earthquakes." something i noticed about this chorus, and only the first time he sings it, is that he starts it with "but" and he seems almost to get distracted by the the clouds and earchquakes, to loose track of his thoughts that he was expressing in the first verse, and drift into this instead. i dont know if that's significant, but i thought it was. he seems easily destracted which is assosiated w/ sinility and/or stress. most likely it's stress with the young man, though perhaps he fears sinility. Look at the moon that the light of the sun makes. an appreciation for nature. a desire to slow down. stop and smell the roses. middle aged persons (at least where i live) tend to move very quickly, always in a rush, where as older persons tend to move slowly and enjoy their surroundings. (i'm not sure wheather this is because of a hightened realization as to the important things in life or rather a pleasant consequence of being physically unable to move as quickly) "Look at the wind... Woo! How it's loose and free..." a yearning for addollesence. the good old days. moving freely and loosely. "Look at these tiny things botherin' me." and a contrast to addollesence. STRESS also saying that he cant believe how he lets the little things get to him. when there are *clouds*, and *earthquakes*, and *moons* out there!! I've been watching for seven straight hours there hasn't been a damn thing on! boredom and frustration. perhaps foreshodowing in this persons mind his consept of retirement. he doesnt want to be stuck at home w/ daytime soaps. "And I feel like I'm losin' my powers. All my get up and go has all gone" nooooooo! it's the loss of energy that comes with age. something that comes slowly starting when your like 9 years old (come on...have you ever seen a 9 year old try to keep up with a 5 year old?). he notices he aint got the energy he used to, and has a sence of time fleeting. "And I lied to my local panhandler Said I couldn't have the change Start off straight but I get to meander I got the aim but I don't have the range" ok, this whole verse is listing his symptoms. he's lost energy, gotten cheep, lost strength (aim but not range, i assume that this is reffering to throwing a baseball or something of the sort, but...that lines up to interpretation. it *does* sound kinda dirty), he get's lost/disoriented (note: as he did with his thoughts before the first chorus) "Well, the future looks like distant thunder. Well, because I'm never sure that I'll get paid." he doesnt have much time to think about getting older, he's conserned with other things. day to day ills. it's distant, so he puts it off. it's thunder...could mean a storm...could be painfull and deadly. but it's distant. And I'm pissed that I'm not gettin' younger. Gettin' pretty, gettin' love, gettin' laid. pretty self explanitory. reminiscent to me of Bed and Breakfast. the guys kinda old, ungraceful and unromantic. but not as successful as romeo was at the "getting laid" part. but it's pretty self explanitory "And on the talk show, cat fight, playoff, well, everybody gives 'em a hand. And the radio sounds like a payoff, I just don't understand." 'back in the good old days, when TV was good, and radio played good music' you know kind of a "what's the matter with kids these days" kinda comment. he's out of the loop. and he sees it. and doesnt understand why. after all...he was COOL...his PARENTS were the ones that didnt understand. that's it (arent you glad?) solem genna ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 21:08:39 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: Public Interest yesterday >Q: What's a sailor's favorite letter of the alphabet? > > A: ARRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrr! when i read the question...i thought the answer would be 'C' (sea...you know) solem genna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:18:53 -0400 From: dopeytoo Subject: Re: Review in Pulse! magazine NovFraggle@aol.com wrote: > > "Never put salt in your eyes"--Kevin, realizing this the hard way (Kids in > the Hall) "....A-A-A-A-Always put salt in your eyes..." "AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!" ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 21:38:02 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: home made paraphanalia? i recently was approached with the idea of making fru-related iron-on teeshirts. i have a bunch of old shirts that i dont relally wear anymore, and i dont have any fru-wear (limited finance of my own and a mother who thinks that sporting a band's name puts you into the "fanatic" catagorie, and doesnt like the thought of me being a fanatic...even though i am). a friend of mine decided she was going to make us all fru-shirts. and i thought that that was a splendid idea. but i want to know what the band thinks about this. i'm *not* planning on selling them or any such thing. just wearing them (and maybe lending them to newbie fru-friends). is there any policy against this? thanks solem genna PS. we almost decided to make 4 tee-shirts (one for each of my fruhead friends who came w/ me to SSS) one with each of the lads on it. but we couldnt agree who would get whom. and the idea kinda freaked one of the girls ("could you imagine getting up on stage and seeing someone wearing your face???"). so i think it's just gonna be a budgie dog and the band name. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:08:52 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: I have a college pal... somebody wrote: << Novac wrote: > The quote, again: > "So contrary to the desparate sign, most patrons always "please rewind!" > And the clerks don't mind, they're very kind, the only stickler has > resigned" > > It could mean: So contrary to the desparate sign [of "be kind, rewind"], > most patrons always [recieve the admonishing message of] 'please rewind!'" > This interpretation would also straighten up confusion with the following > line, which notes that the clerks don't mind the patron's failing at > rewinding. Even if the sign DID say "Don't rewind", the following line would > then be saying that the clerks, if UNkind, would mind that the patrons broke > the 'law' and rewound. > Thus, it's saying that: Most patrons always fail to rewind (who wants to?) > contrary to that sign, and the clerks (or sign) screams at them "please > rewind!", but they still don't charge the fee because they're kind. > I'm sure I've confused everyone who isn't following this thread. Mission > accomplished. > --Novac >> Wow, I had to read that like 8 times very slowly before I (think) I got it. Except, I still don't get it cuz I still keep thinking of it like so, contrary to the desparate sign, most patrons always 'please rewind'. as in they do rewind. Ah, nevermind. I probably will never get it, if there's really anything to get. :) - ----------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:31:58 GMT From: "Jennifer Schlosser" Subject: Re: Douglas Adams takes over the world! someone said: >Zaphod Beeblebrox 2 and then katy said: > does that mean there's *another* bar named zaphod beeblebrox? There are two. Zaphod Beeblebrox and Zaphod Beeblebrox 2. Both in Ottawa. Yay for Ottawa. :) Jennifer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:29:55 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Earthquakes, etc. Ellen wrote: << i hear no hate in any of the lyrics-- no emotion at all, really. i guess Indifference... >> Yes, and I'm not trying to push my point on anyone, but in my experience indifference and no emotion can be more effective and drive someone crazier than yelling or being really angry sometimes. Like have you ever heard someone say or thought yourself "It would have been a little easier to take if he hadn't said it so calmly, if he'd yelled..." I know I have. Eh. But not always. - -------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:34:41 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: I have a college pal... Lizzie insightfully wrote: << Possibly what it's saying is "most patrons rewind, but the clerks don't mind [if the patrons rewind or not, at least now that] the only stickler has resigned"? Does that make sense? love Lizzie, home from school because of the hurricane (and I live in Philly!) >> Yes it does make sense. I'm gonna think that unless I hear something else I think works. They might cancel school in little ole Ware Mass for the hurricane and heavy winds and rain we're supposed to get through the weekend...that would mean no school for me tomorrow. Hope... :) - --------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:19:30 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: I have a college pal... Lori said: << is when Jian's college pal in the final line isn't Roger but Raja. >> Oh. I've always been interpreting the song as in the college pal and Roger are completely different people, that the college pal is sending this person to see Roger. For example if your friend Sue says "Just ask for Tommy" she's not talking about herself. Or the way people sometimes reccomend their dentist or something, "Go see Mr. X, he's a great dentist, tell him I sent you." I never really thought of it as Roger saying to go see him (Roger) when he was working someday or something. Wow...interesting the things you can get thinking about here. - ----------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:19:51 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: OT: tory cassis in general Josh Drury wrote: > > So, I guess at least some of you have heard him play, especially in the > Toronto area. Can anyone tell me what we can expect when he opens for the > Fru in western Canada? Tory is very good. Tory with his band is even better! I don't know which you'll see, but either is worth it. He's a very competent songwriter and has an incredible voice. The times I've seen him live it's been him and his guitar and he's captivated the room. He did a couple Tom Waits covers and many tunes from his band done up for solo. His first album was released in August on True North and it's very very good, especially the strong start it has. I highly recommend it. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:40:03 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: YEAH to Re: Earthquakes, etc. josh wrote: << Yes and No. The beauty of it is that it's pure evil! It's like it's saying "I don't care about you, in your face", without even caring enough to get in your face! I mean, if you write someone a hate letter, at least you acknowledge feelings for them. In this song, it's sort of a "I CAN live with or without you", so the ex is made to feel inconsequential, their existence making no difference at all. Can your standard hate letter be so demeaning? Nuh-uh. Evil! Josh Drury Winnipeg >> Exactly how I wanted to say it, plus some. :) - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1999 22:50:52 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Chameleon Club >Last night, I saw Great Big Sea in Lancaster, PA at a place called the >Chameleon Club. It is a really cool club. Decorated like Lee's Palace but >with a stars and motion theme instead of the goth style of Lee. It has a >balcony, and a cool 2nd floor bar called Milliways. OOOOHH, a Hitchhikers Guide reference. For those of you who don't get it, Milliways is the Restaurant at the End of the Universe. That settles it, Moxy has to play there! Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:19:41 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: I have a college pal... >rythym (i *know* how to > spell "rythym and that looks wrong somehow. oh well, it's early). Well, now it's 7PM, and it's "rhythm" :) - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:22:42 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: I have a college pal... > >... But that just doesn't fit with the rest... > > it rhymes, people!!!! :) The primary point of music is *definitely* not to rhyme (see Alanis M), but to communicate some sort of idea. Oh, and a catchy rhythm helps. And rhyming. - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:26:58 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: I have a college pal... > >Possibly what it's saying is "most patrons rewind, but the clerks don't > >mind [if the patrons rewind or not, at least now that] the only stickler > >has resigned"? Does that make sense? > > You've perfectly communicated the sense of how I interpret those lines. I'm > right there with ya. You've also explained it more clearly than I would've. I think everyone tends to agree with that, but this quote above fails to include the confusing addition of "Contrary to the desperate sign". It also omits "always" and "And", and adds "but". :P - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:34:32 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: I have a college pal... > Wow, I had to read that like 8 times very slowly before I (think) I got it. > Except, I still don't get it cuz I still keep thinking of it like so, > contrary to the desparate sign, most patrons always 'please rewind'. as in > they do rewind. Ah, nevermind. I probably will never get it, if there's > really anything to get. :) Most people who know me realize that this is my mission. Also, do you realize that we've got enough posts to start alt.music.moxy-fruvous.pleaserewind ? I'm sure some of the NG readers WISH this thread had its own separate NG :) - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:32:58 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: I have a college pal... > Oh. I've always been interpreting the song as in the college pal and Roger > are completely different people, that the college pal is sending this person > to see Roger. This can really go either way: (1) Roger is a friend of Mr. X. Mr X also has another college friend--Jian. Mr X informs Jian about the special Bargainville deal. Jian tells us that he has a college friend who says we can pay one price for two--just ask for Roger at VB. (2) Roger, a college friend of Jian's, works at Video Bargainville. Roger has told Jian about the deal. Jian tells us that he has a college friend who says we can pay one price for two--just ask for Roger at VB. Thus [putting on my logic proffesor voice] the line neither necessitates nor negates the notion that Roger works at Video Bargainville. - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:31:27 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Re: For the Mike Bullard show attendees Irene desperately apologized: >My God, I’ve turned into one of them, one of those people who can >blather on sans probleme in a chat room, but when placed in a crowd of >strangers can hardly say a word. Shit. My behaviour was utterly shameful >this evening, and I am heartily embarrassed by it. I want to apologize >to anyone I hung around with at the Mike Bullard show for being so rude. >Next time I’ll come armed with my cure for cowardice: caffeine! Then >you’ll wish I was a mute ;) No worries Irene, I'm sure you've noticed that I'm shy as anything too, so I can understand the difficulties (of course, I too can blather on and on when I'm typing...evil computers that bring out the extravert in us introverts). It usually takes me a while to warm up to people (as Fiona pointed out after I cracked an evil comment: "either you're getting more comfortable around us or we're starting to corrupt you" - it's definately the former!). That being said, Mike Bullard was awesome...well, actually Mike Bullard is annoying and obnoxious (IMHO - I'm sure someone out there likes him since his show is on so often!). But the Fruv being on it was cool and it was fun to go to a taping. And I think Fruvous appreciated all the support. Bullard and the producers said that we had been the best audience that week (I don't know if they were truthful or just buttering us up) and wanted to know what they had done differently to make us so enthusiastic. D'uh!!! It was an audience of Fruheads!!!!!! Oh and for those who didn't see it: they sang Splatter Splatter (and I attempted to dance in my seat remembering not to sing out loud!!). And Jian and Murray were *very* briefly interviewed. It was great to get to know some of the fruheads a bit better - Chrissy, it was great to meet you (I can't believe you came from Buffalo!), hKath & MC...thanks for inviting me along, sorry I couldn't stay later, Fiona...thanks for getting us the tickets, and everyone else, it was a blast, hope to see you again soon! :) Sara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #820 ********************************************