From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #812 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, September 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 812 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tape Trading question [Chad Maloney ] Re: both on- and off-topic: the nields ["Adam Hartfield" ] i've joined the ranks... [Bridget ] Re: Moxy Fruvous Cuts the Clowning and Jian pics [hugrod@home.com (Hugo R] Cleveland comments ["Rebecca Stevens" ] Re: both on- and off-topic: the nields ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: both on and off-topic: the nields ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: Tape Trading question ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: review of Columbus ("Everyone had a groovy time at Ludlow's...") ["Ke] Re: review of Columbus ("Everyone had a groovy time at Ludlow's...") ["Be] Re: Mike Bullard on Wed. [Irene ] Re: I didn't *mean* to go to Ohio [jbardhan@demon.ceh.servtech.com (Neil ] re: My 10-12 hr trek [CheesemonkeyGem ] columbus show ["sara clark" ] Bucks Co. article (sorta long) [Heybun@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:59:55 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Tape Trading question Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: > > I have been checking out several tape trading/bootleg pages run by MF fans, > but I'm not sure which concerts are better than others. I've heard rumors of > people's "top three" concerts, of the "fire hazard" concert, etc. Well, people's "top three" concerts and stuff like that are pure opinions based on what people liked. So there are no official top three concerts *grin* As for the fire hazard concert, I'd guess that's a reference to an Oberlin College show from maybe 1996. Either way, they aren't rumors. They are actual shows *Grin* I'd recommend picking someone who is newbie friendly person from that sexy appendage FHDC list and ask them which shows they love that they have on tape. If there's someone on the newsgroup who seems at first glance to have good taste, that'd be a good person to pick. If they reference a lot of shows or don't have time, then take their list and look through reviews at FDC. It'll help a lot. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:12:42 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: both on- and off-topic: the nields > Zoiks! I'm not clear from that whether they mean all those artists > contributed to the one song or to the whole album, but either way, damn, > I want to hear this!! It's set for April 2000 release. Just that one song, from what I understand. It's going to be awesome. > They also mention that Dave C and Katryna got married on Sept 5th. Yes, married to *each other*. :) - --Adam adamh@javanet.com no .sig, go .fig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:55:57 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: both on and off-topic: the nields Ellen wrote: >Zoiks! I'm not clear from that whether they mean all those artists >contributed to the one song or to the whole album, but either way, >damn, I >want to hear this!! It's set for April 2000 release. Nerissa has posted excerpts from her journal on the Nields-Nook (you can also see them at http://www.nields.com), and I remember her saying that one goal was to have all their musician friends play on the song "I Still Believe in My Friends." I agree, I can't wait to hear it! Even more off-topic: Dar Williams should have a new CD out in April '99, too! It's gonna be a good month. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:57:22 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: both on and off-topic: the nields Ellen wrote: >Zoiks! I'm not clear from that whether they mean all those artists >contributed to the one song or to the whole album, but either way, >damn, I >want to hear this!! It's set for April 2000 release. Nerissa has posted excerpts from her journal on the Nields-Nook (you can also see them at http://www.nields.com), and I remember her saying that one goal was to have all their musician friends play on the song "I Still Believe in My Friends." I agree, I can't wait to hear it! Even more off-topic: Dar Williams should have a new CD out in April '99, too! It's gonna be a good month. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 1999 09:54:27 -0700 From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Re: Tape Trading question In article <7rgav6$88q$1@infoserver.bgsu.edu>, Josh says... > >Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: >: I have been checking out several tape trading/bootleg pages run by MF fans, >: but I'm not sure which concerts are better than others. I've heard rumors of >: people's "top three" concerts, of the "fire hazard" concert, etc. I don't >: know which would be best of the many choices i see on the pages (drowned in >: information :). Perhaps a more experienced trade/concergoer could help me >: out? > >Top Three Frushows Ever (according to me *grins*): > >1.) MIT 5/15/97 >2.) Ann Arbor 6/15/99 >3.) Iron Horse 3/18/98 > >Even if some disagree with my placement of these, find them anyway. :-) I can't disagree with these - they're great shows! But here's a few more that haven't been mentioned... 05/31/97 Kirkland Arts Cntr, Clinton Admittedly, I haven't listened to this one in a while, so it might have been the excitement over hearing the first four songs from Wood - all in sequence without any talking between. Plus they did a quick Homeward Bound off-mic while Dave was having equipment problems. And Mike did a little "Have Modem - Will Travel" tribute. What a fun show! 10/02/97 Valentine's, Albany A great example of the YNB show including A Cappella Message, Poor Mary Lane, On Her Doorstep, Fell in Love, the slow Your New Boyfriend with the WLUV intro, Signed Sealed Delivered, Full GE&H, Grunge... and most incredible version of Boo Time I've ever heard - due almost entirely to Mike's intro which seems not to have been planned at all... and yet it was *amazing*! It's there on FDC, but I think its something you have to hear to really appreciate. In all, this really wasn't the strongest show, and was marred by some technical problems, but it hit some incredible heights. 11/13/97 TLA, Philadelphia Simply one of the strongest shows I've seen. As a whole, the Albany show above can't touch this one, but it had some amazing moments. This show is a winner from top to bottom. Musically they were very tight, and having a lot of fun on stage. And of course we get some quality story time with Jian (about Some Kind of Wonderful.) And lets not forget about the 02/21/98 Fruhead Convention. I don't think I need to say anything about that. See ya, Jason jreiser@ecoutez.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:27:52 GMT From: Bridget Subject: i've joined the ranks... so i finally got myself some egg shakers... you guys should see 'em, they're so cute! and relevant to certain things duscussed on the ng these past weeks... anyone at the midwest shows this weekend come see them! of course, now i just have to actually work up the nerve to _shake_ them during a show. i enjoyed lori's at the final frucon2 show, but that was after lori and trace fed me lots of chocolate covered espresso beans... hyper city! === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines!" ~Mr. Furious, "Mystery Men" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:17:07 GMT From: hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues) Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Cuts the Clowning and Jian pics In article , SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: >Moxy Fruvous Cuts the Clowning >THORNHILL >Moxy Fruvous (Bottom Line) >On this fifth studio shindig, you won't hear about the Michigan militia, >Spanish royalty, or short works of fiction. Instead, the Toronto quartet >offers 12 harmony-laden, acoustically based relationship songs that play like >Beatles byproduct: Revolver writing and Rubber Soul production. The Fruvi >don't foreswear cleverness ("I'll hold your breath if that won't make you >blue" on I Will Hold On); they've simply cut the clown act. Let's hope it's >only a phase. Funny.. I agree with this assessment, but I don't doubt it's a phase. >-Fred Beckley, Knight Ridder This is the part that speaks volumes to me. The National Post couldn't contribute their own fricken journalist to rate the album? They had to use an American (shudder) wire service? Ouch. For comparable value, the other Canadian national magazine has nothing on Moxy Fruvous on its searchable online database, meaning it likely never even reviewed the CD. Let's go True North records! Get out there and make some noise! "And I'm pissed that I'm not getting younger / Getting pretty, getting loved, getting laid." - -- Moxy Fruvous, "Earthquakes" *MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO* Hugo Rodrigues Hugs on the Undernet Journalism Student http://members.home.net/hugrod/ Forever Fruvous!!! *MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:41:11 -0400 From: "Rebecca Stevens" Subject: Cleveland comments Well, since no one seems to really be commenting on this show...I thought I'd give it a shot. What the hey, I _did_ drive five hours each way to see the darn show... Myself and a few other Syracusean früheads landed in Cleveland with just enough time to grab some grub before being subjected to the opening act, which deserves no mention other than to say that her name was Colette and she had a CD in the back. Her music was not memorable (other than the torture factor), and all I do remember was that she kept repeating that her name was Colette and she had a CD in the back. Did I mention that her name was Colette and she had a CD in the back??? Fruvous came on fairly early (10.30ish, I believe). As someone already posted a setlist, I think I will just elaborate on banter, whatnot. opening comments...glad to be doing a "rock show" sick of all those "folk festivals"... General trends: Murray talked. A lot. Dave didn't talk. Jian, also very quiet. Which left some lovely song-banter led by Mike/Murray. I must say it was very strange to see Jian so un-banter-ish. However, he did have some comments on a "gum incident" and the MTV Video Music awards ("are we in the _same_ industry?" and "the one thing I could relate to were all the dancers, because I just wanna dance"--intro to Disco Bargainville). At some point someone in the front offered up food, apparently having something to do with Rosh Hashanah, which led to an improv on Renegade Jews. Memory escapes me at this point, but I think it was during Renegade Jews that Murray was on drums (Sad Girl), at which point (Jian pointed out) he used the "shut the fuck up" drum beat, which Murray claimed was the first thing they teach you in drum school. And the show went on... Musically, DAVE ROCKED. I must admit here that I am a Murray's people [1] but since Thornhill's release I seem to be becoming a Mathesonite. His voice...and those guitar solos!!!! At some point, props were given to Don Dixon, who was there...some harassment of Jian by Murray... My first time for Pisco...great song. Great fun to watch! Independence Day, for me, was what I describe as the most "religious" part of the show. I just love the second verse, and Murray's voice just filled the Odeon...mmmm......definitely a solidified memory. I had resigned myself to not jumping around (my version of dancing) too much, but Disco Bargainville killed that idea...great energy... Boo Time-another first for me, so much fun in concert! and Mike going nuts as usual... Too Cold--a surprise, very nice, much like Nuits...sound was just really good IMHO, IWHO. ok. I cried. personal experience, I know, but man, Jian can really get that emotional expression out there and suck you in... Drinking Song...so glad they wrapped up with this. By psycho I was REALLY pumped up and totally not ready to leave, so I needed something to bring me down. Jian seemed very affected. Easily half the venue was arm in arm, I sang at the top of my lungs, and it was just great to be with friends at a früshow. An all-around excellent show, full of variety, not _too_ Thornhill heavy. And I believe someone already mentioned Tobey's dance...you had to be there. You just had to be there...there is no explaining it... AND I was glad to have a KoS/GEH-less show, especially since the group of people to my left were screaming at the top of their lungs for KoS, not to mention the "spiderman" hecklers who were met by dave with "I've forgotten all the chords..." Tobey confirmed that they will be in Rochester on Nov 24, but I guess that's up on FDC already. He also mentioned that they're between two venues...we tried to get a plug in for Syracuse... So it was well worth the pain of driving from Syracuse starting at noon on Friday and getting back in Syracuse around noon on Saturday. A lot of driving for Buford (my car), which has now officially been frütripping initiated! Well, back to lurking for awhile. Obscure art history texts await me... - -becca [1]when, milleniums from now, they write the bible of Früvous, it will go something like this: "and Murray's people begat more Murray's people, etc...because this is what happens when you are a convert and your friends are Murray's people, and then your converts become Murray's people... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:05:49 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: both on- and off-topic: the nields >Yes, married to *each other*. :) "He's taking her last name, she's taking his first." :) ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:02:23 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: both on and off-topic: the nields >Nerissa has posted excerpts from her journal on the Nields-Nook (you can >also see them at http://www.nields.com) From what I can gather, Früvous (along with Dar, Jump Little Children, and a whole slew of other artists) sang backup on "I Still Believe in My Friends." Anyway, that studio journal is some pretty heavy stuff. Nerissa gets pretty deep and pretty personal. - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:04:51 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Tape Trading question >As for the fire hazard concert, I'd guess that's a reference to an >Oberlin College show from maybe 1996. Also referred to, I believe, as the "Shirtless Persian" show :). I actually haven't found "show labels" to be as common among Früheads as they are among Phishheads (sp?). It seems that every single Phish show is identified by some label or by some preordained phenomenon that happened to occur at it (Triple Nipple, for instance [don't ask - just go to www.phish.net for an explanation]). ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:57:53 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: Re: review of Columbus ("Everyone had a groovy time at Ludlow's...") > > You're Going To Lose That Girl - !!! That's all I have to say. > > Your New Boyfriend - with the intro coming right from the previous song ("And > after he lost her... she went out with someone else...") fast version, and > quite good. Anotehr one I've never heard live before (and I'm looking forward > to Kick in the Ass next week[1]. Double Wow there!!! Amazing. I really wish I could have been there (wherever there was). I was convinced they'd never do You're Going to Lose That Girl again after NoHo. Did Mike sing all of the lyrics this time? :) It's great to hear they haven't forgotten YNB! Maybe they can put it back into the set a little more? > > My Poor Generation - well, we hadn't heard it two nights in a row, so they had > top play it there. :) This is definitely a good closer, and a very nice > change from the Drinking Song, which, despite having seen my first three > Frushows ever and *not* seeing it, I'm kind of glad to not be hearing *every* > show anymore. Change is good. :) > While I really like MPG, I don't think it works as a set closer. They need something that's really going to grab everyone one last time, and MPG just won't do it in this role. The Drinking Song works because everyone is involved singing, and GWS is just so totally riveting that everyone is going to shut up and pay attention. To me, MPG doesn't have these qualities. I'd much rather hear it in the middle somewhere and end with the Drinking Song. Just my opinion. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:59:48 -0400 From: "Bell'occhio" Subject: Re: review of Columbus ("Everyone had a groovy time at Ludlow's...") "You guys have self issues. The last time we were here the mod paper said 'This is the 267th time Früvous has played in our stupid city." Just a few notes. All in all a pretty good show, even if the violin, Jenny, and Piece of Mind from soundcheck didn't make an appearance. There was a good bit of random singing, if nothing else. I started feeling terribly ill during the opening act, but we can just assume it was the effect of the music. :) > Get in the Car Jian: "Murrman, and I call you buy your given name." "My pet name.. I thought it was just for in private, I feel so violated now" ... "And I say, 'Murrman, pass me the remote.' And you say.." "I say nothing" ..... "And I was saying how if the cell phone had been invented before the corded one, people would think the corded was cooler. 'You can drop the phone and know right where it is!'" > Sad Girl - I don't remember how they got on the subject, but they were > talking about writing waltzes, and Jian started playing the chords to Sad Girl > in 3/4 time, and then *singing* it in 3/4 time. Which was hilarious. Then Jian starts talking about "nin" ("Nine Inch Nails. Those of us on the inside call them 'nin'") and mentions "the knights who say nin" to which the audience goes crazy. I love geeks. :) Then Dave plays a bit of La Vida Loca on the keyboard. > If Only You Knew Jian complained about his monitor not working right, then they played Last Time, with a bit of Bad Moon Rising thrown in, otherwise known as the Fix The Monitor Song. > Psycho Killer - with numerous false starts, and Jian directing the audience to > increase and decrease the volume of its clapping during the bass intro. He asked for the lights to be dropped, and they came back up, with disco ball, on the live wire line. Now why they didn't turn it on during Disco B'ville... > You're Going To Lose That Girl - !!! That's all I have to say. Wow, it was great to hear this. I think it was during this song I looked up at Dave and he had a huge toothy grin on his face that just killed me. He was rather animated last night anyway. > I Will Hold On - introduced with a note that someone had passed up to the > stage (and if you pass a note onto the stage it will always get read :) from a > guy who just got engaged and wanted the song dedicated to him Not just some guy. Francis The Drunken Frat Boy from the 06/23/98 show. I must've been the only one within a five person radius who was there, because I didn't hear any nearby laughter. And to everyone I met but never got a chance to say "Bye, nice to meet you" to, bye, it was nice to meet you. :) Lacey "Everybody needs good advice... what difference does it make if it comes from Jesus, Buddha, or Elvis?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:42:10 GMT From: Irene Subject: Re: Mike Bullard on Wed. Fiona wrote: > > Hi Irene > Once I stop playing phone tag with Open Mike, I'm reserving 11 tickets. > Shall I reserve one more? > > Fiona Do! Please let me know if my message has made it to you in time. If I have missed your reservation call, I'll phone them later or tomorrow and get myself a spot. Irene - -- The bad news is your Neon was stolen; The good news is it was totalled. -my mechanic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:52:37 GMT From: jbardhan@demon.ceh.servtech.com (Neil Bardhan) Subject: Re: I didn't *mean* to go to Ohio On 13 Sep 1999 11:24:34 GMT, fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) wrote: Hey! Ohio isn't so bad! I've been there between 14 and 18 times in my life. >>"Bunnies!!" 11/9/99 >Nice date. Let me know where you got your time machine, mine needs a tune up. Oh, don't get silly... it's the "proper"(meaning, the way everyone but the US) way to write dates: day/month/year. To avoid confusion, I write something like 13 Sep 1999. Glad we cleared that up:P As free as a bird now, Neil Neil Bardhan: jbardhan@servtech.com The Official Flavor of the New Milennium ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:05:07 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: re: My 10-12 hr trek >Although the show was FANTASTIC, the HIGHLIGHT OF THE >EVENING was meeting and >greeting the ammf-folk--CheeseMonkey, MARIA, >FogeyFru, AMANDA POTTER,Mollie, >VINCENT, Paul M., DONNA, Lisa, TRACE, Lori, & >KIMBERLY. (If I"veforgotten >anyone PLEASE forgive me!! It's been a long day! :) ) >You guys really made the trip worthwhile!! I have >absolutely NO REGRETS and >I thank you *profusely* for that. :) Woopwoop! thank you lisa, and it was great to meet you too! I would like to stop at this juncture and take a moment to publicly state that i think Lisa Bills is the coolest Jihead-turned-Mathesonite I've ever met :) I would like to say a big yello!! to all those i met/saw again in BG, it was worth the trip for me too... hehe here i am thinking "oh my god, this is soooo far for me to come to see a frushow", meanwhile people are making trips twice as long as mine... behold the power of fru! - -jen the "I would never pass for lisa's daughter *any* day" cheesemonkey === __________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:40:24 GMT From: "sara clark" Subject: columbus show First things first--I have never posted before, but since I walked away with Jian's setlist last night, I thought maybe I should. So I will keep it short. My first thought walking into Ludlow's last night was Wow! the stage is so small that it doesn't matter where you stand because you'll be able to see all the guys. But, I conveniently took my place along side Donna at stage Murray. Although I could see Jian's setlist throughout the show--which in itself is funny because at Bowling Green, I could see Mike's--I tried to control my curiosity and let the show be a surprise. Alas, I found my eyes straying and eventually asking Donna if she could see so that I wasn't the only one. However, even with being able to see what was next, the whole show was still full of great surprises... 1/2--3 days in a row, but still quite nice LAIKA 2 CARE CAR--just an all around fun song, I was surprised to hear it 3x's as well VIDEO--call me crazy but I like this Disco version SAD RUSH--we had no idea what this was until it was played--I had just listened to the "b" album before the show for the first time :) so it was a real treat LAZY--another fun one GREEN--another nice surprise SAHARA IF ONLY--one of my faves INDY MICHY ORGAN--big surprise, that's the first time I've heard it live SAUCE--still don't quite have all the words SPLAT--another fave of mine PSYCHO encore1 LOSE BOY encore2 HOLD MPG--this is such a wonderful song Altogether quite an enjoyable show. To everyone I met this weekend "Hello!" and also to those I haven't Thanks for the patience of listening to a newbie. Talk at ya later-- Sara---the girl with the fluorescent slinky (yes, that was me!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:23:22 GMT From: Heybun@aol.com Subject: Bucks Co. article (sorta long) I came home from work this afternoon and decided to look at this morning's Bucks Co. Courier Times (our local paper) which doesn't arrive until AFTER I leave for work, but that's not the point here, is it? No, the point, is that Monday is Teen Reality Day in the Feature section, a day when Teens review CDs and write articles. My day was brightened to find that today's issue included a very positive review of "Thornhill" from a person who listens to music for enjoyment, not a living, AND a very professional half page Jian/Dave interview by William Tennent High School's Katie Nicolais (no I'm not her mother), titled "Folk Festival's 'Frulads' take five with Katie'. Katie, if you're reading this, nice job! The paper's website is Phillyburbs.com - I searched it and couldn't find the article there. Guess features aren't considered net-worthy. If there's a demand, I'll try to summarize or transcribe for y'all. Bobbi ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #812 ********************************************