From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #793 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, September 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 793 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Wood typos [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] My Review [dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01)] My Fruvous related slightly OT stuff. ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Re: Sappy? ["ellen p. buckley" ] Beachfest review! [Irene ] Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) [Leah Bridgers ] Re: Thornhill = Beatles ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Indie Album ["Dan Cisecki" ] Re: IWHO (Was: Will the real Fruvous please, etc.) [fruwench@aol.com (Fr] Analness and such (was re: Wood typos) [CheesemonkeyGem Actually, you don't put capitalisation or periods inside a pair of >parentheses. ::sigh:: If we're going to get *really* picky... Actually (damn, I wish I had my style manual at home right now), that isn't entirely true. There such a thing as a parenthetical sentence, and, as with other sentences, the first word does get capitalized. At the moment I can't remember exactly where the placement of the period goes though. These sentences are, however, perfectly acceptable and grammatically correct. ~jen (for those of you who care ;-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 1999 02:26:09 GMT From: dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01) Subject: My Review Although everyone who was supposed to ride with me to Toronto, I decided to go to Beachfest anyways... When I got there, Kim Stockwood was on. She was ok.. Nothing major. Fruvous went pretty much on time. Setlist: Half as Much Michigan Milita Saucepan IWHO KOS Splatter Splatter Get In The Car A Short Set. Interesting Points: KOS was introduced by saying that they were inviting a special guest star on stage that hasn't graced a Fruvous stage in Toronto in a while. Mike popped in asking if it was "the Niave Young Chap?" I think that he's refering to Harbourmall, any old time Fruheads know for sure??? The also mentioned that another band introduced one of their characters on the Harbourfront stage. During Splatter Splatter, Jian mentioned that they were going to be on Conan Oct 12, and that they'd do this song with all sorts of Fake Squirting Blood. A very enjoyable show! Daniel "signature currently under construction... Come back soon" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 02:19:33 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: My Fruvous related slightly OT stuff. I finally finished "How the Mind Works" today and when I read the last chapter on types of communication and got to the music part and I had so many songs stuck in my head at the end of it I nearly couldn't stand it!!! First they showed a bit of "This Land is Your Land" so I got a combination of the Canadian version of the tune, GMIA, GWS, and Canada (remember the centennial tune that swept the nation, I do even though I wasn't born yet!!). Then Pinker mentioned styles of singing like "demonic horror" which got Splatter Splatter\Down From Above rolling through my mind so violently I had to put Thornhill in my computer and play wood at the same time in my CD player. Next he mentioned Lou Reed, but I've never heard actually heard Lou Reed and have only seen pictures of Mike's imitation on FDC. So I got Michy\Drinking Song going through my mind. There were LOTS more but I can't remember them all and I don't want to bore you to death. I have some more evidence that Fruvous has The Right Stuff or Wolfe has got the right meaning for "moxy". I read my version of The Right Stuff today and I noticed in the meaning for "the right stuff" it says "the ability to go up in a hurtling piece of machinery and put his hide on the line and then have the *moxy*, the reflexes, the experience, the coolness, to pull it back in the last yawning moment". This may just be a typographical error (I've noticed many other spelling errors in the book) because I do think that it should probably be spelt "moxie" (if the Oxford English Dictionary is any resource!) Fruvous is known, of course, for their improvisations and I believe that Moxy is just a corruption of moxie. There is the above evidence, the dictionary evidence, as well as the ad campaign for the Moxie soft drink that claims it gives you courage. The word fruvous itself may just be a corruption of frivolous or maybe a combination of the German word "fru" meaning mother as in "fru gosen" (mother goose) and the French word vous which is the polite or plural form of "you". Put them all together and you get "courageous mother you" or "courageous nonesense". Strange, confusing, funny, Pure Fruvous!! You can take this as you will but that is my definition of Moxy Fruvous. (PS I finally have got my sig. working!!) - -- Cara (Laika) Kozack "It's a reference to a _____ that you've never even heard of by\in a _____ that you probably don't even like." My e-mail at fruomffan@xoommail.com My world at http://members.xoom.com/fruomffan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 02:26:04 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) Loren Becker wrote: > The write-it-how-you-say-it idea doesn't really work here since there are so > many different words that sound and look fairly alike. If you write "hear" > when you mean "here," that's one more thing I have to fight with in order to > understand what you are saying. The same is true of "shell" and "she'll." It is, and I'm not advocating that someone purposefully try to make it harder for you. That WOULD be insane. However if someone either didn't notice the mistake, or is so ignorant of English that they were unaware of the mistake, I hardly see the point in blaming them. True it might be a bit more work, but as a native speaker of English, I trust you will be able to decipher their meaning in all but the most extreme cases. Besides, this is nearly a an academic argument by now, since ALMOST no one on the newsgroup writes that badly (I would say no one, but I'm told that there are one or two, although I haven't noticed them personally) > In my opinion, it's not me that you're disrespecting when you write poorly > but yourself and your ideas. If you're taking the time to post something to > a newsgroup, then it must be something you think is worth communicating. If > it's not, I'd recommend reconsidering whether to post it at all. If it is, > then you should want to communicate it as clearly as possible and therefore > you should take the time to make sure that your thoughts are presented > correctly. First of all, I am going to assume that you meant "one" not "you" in the above paragraph. :) Second, why do you assume that it is laziness on the part of the poster that results in these errors? My assumption is that the poster didn't notice them. Spell checkers ARE easy to use (essential for me in fact) but they would not have cought the hear/here or the shell/she'll instances that you cited above. Proofreading for those kinds of things tends to be pretty easy for some people (the ones who think that everyone should write "carefully") but for others (the ones who tend to make mistakes like that in the first place), many errors are really hard to notice. It isn't a question of laziness. I often couldn't spot a misspelling if it were to poke me in the eye. > I'm > not talking about one or two spelling errors in a post here, but rather post > riddled with sentences such as: "hes rilly begining too iratate me." [1] The > same issue applies with punctuation. These rules don't exist just to make > your life more difficult - they are there to facilitate understanding. Of course, and it is always preferable follow rules and be as clear as possible, but honestly, "hes rilly begining too iratate me." doesn't cost me a second to decipher I DO understand the meaning. I don't want us all writing like that, but if someone does, it isn't a big deal to me. A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:54:13 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Sappy? Gramcracker wrote: > i once wept uncontrollably through all of > Snoopy Come Home. awwwww, now you've done it. that's the other thing that gets me every time. why'd you have to bring that up? ;) peace, ellen (why oh why did you roam?) ************************************************ Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 01:28:41 GMT From: Irene Subject: Beachfest review! Walking outside today was like swimming in Lake Ontario: wet and not good for your health. But my friend Karen and I trekked down to Kew Gardens just the same. As rain was in the forecast, we donned our raingear and set out. Who would have thought that the sun would come out and grill us? I fear that my fair friend may wake up a ripe shade of lobster tomorrow morning. We got to Queen St & Woodbine about a half hour before the concert was to begin, and so we had time to wander. Perhaps it was in response to the hot weather that we entered the store, perhaps it was because we are two sick individuals. Who knows? Whatever the reason, we spent the bulk of that free time in a little, air conditioned Christmas shop, peering at snowmen and sleds as the sweat ran down our cheeks. It was a great place; it had everything from pure junk to lovely decorations. We decided we’d have to go back once the weather was more conducive to such shopping. We reached the park perhaps 5 minutes before the Frulads were scheduled to go on stage. Fortunately for us, the crowd was not as packed in as it was the last time we went; we found sitting space about 3-4 metres from the stage, stage Mike. I took a quick look around and remarked to Karen that there didn’t seem to be any Fruheads present. As if in response to a summons, Fiona appeared, greeting me with the words, "You must be totally deaf!" Yes, it seemed that she and Rosemary had been calling me the entire time Karen and I had been hunting for a seat. I thought I had heard my name… Rosemary came over shortly thereafter and congratulated me on putting one in for Fruvous. I was dumbfounded. Putting one what in where? It turns out she had heard my requests on MIX 99.9 during the Sunday Listener Mix Brunch. The songs: Space Oddity (David Bowie), Heaven Coming Down (Tea Party) and IWHO (you know who). Well, I’m glad someone heard the songs, ‘cause I didn’t! Yes, Miss Perpetually Misinformed thought that the requests would only be played during the lunch hours in the week. Wrong. You live and learn. As soon as Rosemary heard my name on the radio, she quickly started leafing through the white pages for my number, bless her sweet heart, but was at a loss when she discovered how many Gaspars live in the Toronto area. Thanks anyway, Rosemary! The concert started almost on time. That in itself left me stunned. It was an energetic set. A grin from ear to ear appeared on Karen’s face when she realized that the guys were rather awkwardly, but humourously, trying to make their way into Michigan Militia. My favourite of the set was Splatter Splatter. Their banter was limited due to the short time slot, but they did manage to sow that seeds of paranoia by suggesting that perhaps all of that construction on Queen was set up by rival radio stations who did not want people to get to Beachfest. They did, however, say that the best way to get there was to Get in the Car. Argh. That hurt, especially since my car was stolen on Saturday. (Oh, my baby!) Apparently, someone was in want of wheels for the weekend. But I did not let that get me down. Karen and I met up with Fiona, Mike and Sangitta (sp?) after the concert. We left them to harass the Lads (how’s that for ambiguity?) and proceeded to peruse the vendor tables set up around the park. We stopped off at the Christmas shop to cool off one more time, before we began the trip home. It was a short day, but a good day. Irene ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now that Physics is proving the intelligence of the universe what are we to do about the stupidity of humankind? -Jeanette Winterson, Gut Symmetries ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:20:14 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) Dorky Spice wrote: > > Just adding a "me too"...the people feeling attacked are not the > offenders here! I mentioned in my original post that I didn't think the > real culprit(s) would even notice enough to say anything, and so far, > I've been right. > > > k@ > I'm not going to comment on the grammar controversy. Frankly, it doesn't interest me much. As far as line length goes (since some people have been complaining about this) I wonder if those who continually write messages with a paragraph spread across one line realize this. It may be that on their news viewing service, it appears normally. Perhaps when people complain about this they ought to mention who they are complaining about. It's difficult to fix something if you don't know that you are the problem. That said, I would hope that if anyone has problems with my posts, they will tell me. Leah - -- ********************************************************************** "We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of the dreams" ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 02:19:34 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: Re: Thornhill = Beatles I hate to read "me too" posts a much as anyone else but I have to agree that Thornhill does sound quite a lot like the Beatles! That is defiantly *not* a bad thing!! When I first listened to it I had to double check to make sure that I was listening to the CD and not the Sgt. Pepper record (but then again I was really out of it and I put the CD in upside down at first). The one that I really noticed a similarity to for some reason was "If Only You Knew". I have NO idea why but it seemed very Beatlesque to me. Maybe Fruvous is the musical reincarnation of the Beatles!! I believe that it is definitely a possibility and a very good one at that. Look at the evidence 1. Fab-Four=Fru-Four 2. The Lads from Liverpool=The Lads from Thornhill (more or less) 3. Paul is Dead = Murray is dead (J\K) ;-) 4. Both have slightly crazy fans 5. Strong harmonies and good vocals for both as well as excellent instrumentation 6. Close relationship in between band members. Now there quite a few differences as well but I was listening to Thornhill today and my mom finally overheard it. Now my mom was one boomer that grew up in the '60's that didn't like the Beatles at all. When she heard Thornhill she said "I don't like that music very much, it sounds strange." Now she didn't make any comments like that for ANY of the other Fruvous albums that I know she's heard (all of them except for the indie). She actually liked Bville and some of wood, but there was no comment on YWGTTM (IMHO a very 60's sounding album). However I'm just rambling and don't really know what I'm saying (my mind is numb from analyzing the Napoleonic Wars). - -- Cara (Laika) Kozack "It's a reference to a _____ that you've never even heard of by\in a _____ that you probably don't even like." My e-mail at fruomffan@xoommail.com My world at http://members.xoom.com/fruomffan Jill Friedman wrote in message <19990906100048.19049.00002211@ng-fg1.aol.com>... >I was listening to Thornhill in the shower this morning (you know, but the >stereo in the bathroom, then jump in the shower), and when Downsizing came on, >I *honestly* thought it was Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. Obviously it wasn't, >but it really sounds similar. Especially in that part in the bridge where they >say, "PICTURE YOURSELF!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 03:32:39 GMT From: "Dan Cisecki" Subject: Indie Album Would anyone have a good mp3 copy of the Indie Album they could spare? ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 1999 03:14:51 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: IWHO (Was: Will the real Fruvous please, etc.) I believe (I could be wrong, I've slept since then) that at Ocean City, Jian commented that SOME people saw this as a love song, while SOME people saw it as an obsessive song about loving someone too much. Or something like that. I remember thinking he was really covering his bases with the intro. ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 03:49:55 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: Analness and such (was re: Wood typos) Ln commented: >I'm one of the people who usually doesn't use caps or >correct punctuation. As am i, and I have a feeling that the people who have posted to say they do not like reading posts that don't contain caps or correct punctuation may be alluding to my posts - maybe not in particular - but i know I am one of the perpetrators. I am a fast typer and usually can't be bothered with apostrophes or capitalization (whereas I am concious, to the best of my ability, of proper grammar and placement of commas and periods; I would have to say I'm anal about that). I also tend to overuse elipseses (elipsi?) and sometimes brackets :) I hope some people aren't disregarding my posts or thinking of them as ineffectual or inferior because of this. I am capable of articulate writing, and I have a pretty good grasp of the English language as well as a love for it, but when I type on the NG, I am not as careful and particular as i would be writing a story or an English paper. >In my case it's >not really disrespect for the reader, disrespect for >the language, or lack of >education. It's a pretty tenuous excuse, but it's >that I just usually don't >bother with it, or don't remember to. This is true in my case as well. It's not that I think any of you unworthy of a proper post, but like I said, I save the meticulousness for the English paper. I sincerely doubt that anyone who fails to use caps or correct punctuation is trying to disrepect anyone! >I specifically >try to remember to use >correct punctuation in words that can have completely >different meanings. (i.e. >shell/she'll, hell/he'll, shed/she'd, ill/i'll.) But >sometimes I forget. Same here... or I just get lazy and leave them out. Apostrophes are the work of the devil ;) Anyhoo, now I'm incredbily concious of what I say and how I say it... (there's that damn elipses again)... I will try to make my posts more legible in the future by capitalizing and using proper punctuation. - -jen, who purposefully added caps and apostrophes to her post, but is not cap'ing her name :) P.S> Can someone inform the ignorant cheesemonkey as to what this "line length" business is all aboot? === __________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #793 ********************************************