From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #792 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, September 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 792 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fruvous Videos ["Hell Hotel" ] OT: Labor/Labour Day [Donna Hunt ] Wtd - WXPN 11/13/97 Morning Show w/Michaela Majoun ["Ken V" ] Re: Down From Above video [McCown ] OT: Mike Nesmith [cookie ] Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO [srm9988n@aol.comicre] Re: Wood typos [Fred and Evelyn Wolke ] Re: Wood typos [Fred and Evelyn Wolke ] Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO [Lawrence P Solomon <] Re: OT: Peter Tork ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: www.jian.com [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO [Queen Lisa ] Re: EFO review [Donna Hunt ] OT: r.e.m. [remcoat@aol.com (m.d.)] Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO ["^kat^" ] Re: EFO review [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Sep 1999 16:50:02 GMT From: "Hell Hotel" Subject: Fruvous Videos With all this talk about the lads almost unattainable video's I might as well add my post to the masses. If any of you fortunate fortunate people out there who have the video compilation feels generous enough to be willing to make me a copy I can send you a blank video tape and return postage or a great video copy of 2/4/99 Pittsburgh, PA. Please if someone could get in touch with me about this, I would be eternally greatful to you. Eric J ericJ@fruhead.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:57:39 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: OT: Labor/Labour Day Happy Labor Day, Folks! I had to laugh at my calendar at work. You know how they'll put the Holiday name, and then if it's not a US holiday, they'll put the country in Parthenthesis? Like: Victoria Day (Canada) Today my calendar says: Labor Day (US) Labour Day (Canada) Makes me laugh... because once you throw that 'u' in, it changes the whole day! :) Have a good day off, folks Canadian and otherwise, who got one! ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:35:56 -0400 From: "Ken V" Subject: Wtd - WXPN 11/13/97 Morning Show w/Michaela Majoun Greetings all, I'm looking for anyone with a recording of the Moxy appearance on Michaela Majoun's show on WXPN, Phila., on 11/13/97. My friend Patty was Michaela's studio assistant during that broadcast. She made them homemade " Fruvous cookies" and they thank her on the air during the interview. They sing "Message" live accapella at the beginning, play "Sahara" from the album, and also sing "YWGTTM" live. Much silly "hockey" banter. See my trading list at http://www.fruhead.com. Many Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: 06 Sep 1999 16:50:41 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) Loren said: > I'm >not talking about one or two spelling errors in a post here, but rather post >riddled with sentences such as: "hes rilly begining too iratate me." [1] >[1] This is just an extreme example. No. Unfortunately, it's not. And neither was Katrin's much earlier example of a run-on, unpunctuated, not-even-a-sentence post. I find myself bemused however that some of the clearest writers on this ng (namely, AJ and Maria) are the ones taking umbrage at my, Katrin's, Loren's and Lois' request for others to put a little more care into making their posts clear. If everyone wrote like AJ and Maria, even though they may occasionally make "mistakes" (which I rarely notice), I believe this issue never would have arisen. - -- Lori, sorry if the wrong people feel they've been scolded. For that matter, I'm not trying to scold anyone at all, just to ask that we all write in the clearest way we can. I won't ask more than that, I promise. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 1999 16:45:42 GMT From: "Hell Hotel" Subject: Re: EFO review > well, i didn't have pen, so couldn't write it all out, but perusing this > weeks' Entertainment Weekly while on my way to Lake George [1], I saw they You were on your way to lake george?? I'm so sorry. I live in Queensbury just 10 min south of there, I try to stay away from lake george if i can. Working food service there for 2 summers was more than anyone should have to endure. > reviewed the new EFO album. The most interesting part: it was under the > "country" heading. Anyhow, they seemed to like it plenty, and gave it a B+ they reviewed the new EFO album...hmm maybe i'll have to pick up a copy of this. Now if they could only review thornhill..... > > ~jen (feeling the sudden pressure to actually proofread her posts for a change. > Don't fret, though-- this too shall pass.. ;-) > > [1] where the main road is "Canada Street," and the one that runs parallel to > it is "Ottowa." Can't escape this, I tell you.... ;-) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 > "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover > "Measure your life in love."--Rent > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:43:04 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: Down From Above video chad asked: <> Alright, I have to say that I haven't seen the video (okay, I saw a little bit, but it was fast forwarded through to get to more...lighthearted, shall we say, videos), and I basically have a whole different idea of the song than those of you who have seen the vid. But I was going over the lyrics this morning, just because this discussion came up, and I realized I'd never thought about them that hard before. So, I just wanted to share a couple of things. First of all, when I got to the line "Daddy's voice like an intercom/connected to a hidden room/where yellow roses bloom," I immediately remembered something and had to go downstairs to look for this book my mom has called "Multicultural Manners" by Norine Dresser. I was reading it when it was lying on the table a few months ago, and it's pretty interesting, and there is a section in it on yellow flowers: "In Armenian culture, when you give someone yellow flowers, it means 'I miss you.'...[but] in Iranian culture, yellow flowers represent the enemy, and giving someone yellow flowers means that you hate them. It can even mean that you wish the person dead...Peruvians have this same belief about yellow flowers...Among Mexicans, as well, yellow flowers have a negative connotation, related to funerals. They are always used for Day of the Dead celebrations." Perhaps I am reading *way* too much into this, but I still thought it was kind of interesting. Also, I was talking to my mom about the song, because I was telling her about the flowers, and I asked her, what did she think the line "Now there's a scar upon your forehead" meant, and she brought up the end of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (which I have neither seen nor read) when the main character is lobotomized and you know this because he has a scar across his forehead. Anyway, now that I have thoroughly given myself the creeps, I think it's time to stop. love Lizzi(e) (watching her grammar and punctuation, etc. I've got to get ready to go back to school anyway...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 10:23:49 -0700 From: cookie Subject: OT: Mike Nesmith Kate Leahy wrote: > > Also, Mike Nesmith's mother had something to do with the invention of either > Wite-Out or Handi-Wipes (I know it's a product with a ridiculous > phonetically spelled brand name). He's independently wealthy, and has > therefore never had to do the reunion stuff for extra cash. His mother invented White-Out. I believe he also has a very successful production company, which is why is doesn't have time to do the Monkee reunion stuff. I do remember watching a mid-season series of his called "Television Parts" sometime back in the 80s. He started the first show by saying he wanted to mention that his mother invented White-Out, but the network wouldn't let him, so he grabbed a script and whited it out with White-Out. Pretty funny!! Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:29:16 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) In article <19990906125041.20990.00004667@ng-fw1.aol.com>, srm9988n@aol.comicrelief says... > Loren said: > >[1] This is just an extreme example. > No. Unfortunately, it's not. And neither was Katrin's much earlier example of > a run-on, unpunctuated, not-even-a-sentence post. > > I find myself bemused however that some of the clearest writers on this ng > (namely, AJ and Maria) are the ones taking umbrage at my, Katrin's, Loren's and > Lois' request for others to put a little more care into making their posts > clear. If everyone wrote like AJ and Maria, even though they may occasionally > make "mistakes" (which I rarely notice), I believe this issue never would have > arisen. Just adding a "me too"...the people feeling attacked are not the offenders here! I mentioned in my original post that I didn't think the real culprit(s) would even notice enough to say anything, and so far, I've been right. In fact, simple courtesy aside, one reason I haven't mentioned any names is that I can't remember how to spell the chief offender's name, and IMO (let me repeat that - IMO!) misspelling a person's name is disrespectful. Yes, I'm aware of the irony of that statement. No need to flame me for it. k@ - -- The Katrin(tm) (white baked epoxy enamel) Toilet Tissue dispensers are made with 22 gauge steel, which assures security and minimizes vandalism and waste. They are equipped with a slotted viewing window for a quick check at a glance. All Katrin(tm) dispensers share one universal key. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Sep 1999 18:01:56 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO Lawrence wrote: >I'm not sure the person grew up in that atmosphere, but was pulled in in >their >youth or something. The first two verses seem to be the brainwashing - "You >don't know your parents. We're your family now." That kind of thing. > >The third verse is the rescue - your friends have infiltrated and sucessfully >liberated you, and now they have to bring you back to reality. Aaack. Wouldn't you know, I had this song coursing through my subconscious all night long. NOT a pleasant dream state, as you can imagine. What my dream-resolution tells me is that Down From Above may well tell the story of the childhood of the adult in It's Too Cold (as deconstructed by Chad M. last week.) The cultlike atmosphere set up is not necessarily that of an organized cult, but rather that of an oppressive family structure, led by a dominant "Daddy" who firmly believes that how he runs the household is God-ordained ("the threat of God's love") in whatever vaguely Christian belief system he subscribes to. Mother is a cipher to her children, a sad, vague ("you don't know her at all") but loving and gentle figure who perhaps has retreated to mental illness ("connected to a hidden room/where yellow roses bloom") in the face of this oppressive life. Children -- "you" and whatever siblings you may have -- emotionally isolated by this brutal father and non-present mother, make the best that they can of this oppressive life (hidden probably behind the most ordinary of facades -- a house like any other, in a town like any other.) They probably don't even understand, in their limited experience, that this is not an optimal situation, not what we like to think of as "normal". The third verse is the rescue, from outside, as friends (from school? how did "you" meet these people, within the strict limits of "your" life?) introduce "you" to wider experiences -- even to ordinary events such as Christmas and Groundhog Day. Yet "you" continue to guard the secret, out of loyalty or faith in Daddy or shame ... "they" already have broken your will, so you'll "tell nobody that you've been here, don't breathe a word that's been said". The "scar upon your forehead" may well be an internal one -- the brain lies behind the forehead, and the brain has been scarred by these experiences even though physically "you" are free of the narrow confines of the home environment. We see just how scarred "you" are in ITC. Uggh. One more note: there are several lines I find exceedingly striking in this song, but one that always gets my attention is "Jesus high on wine, weeping turpentine." The image I have is Christ on the cross, sap from the wood oozing along the nails and mixing with his blood, turning even his tears into instruments of torment rather than relief. Horrible. chad s., it was your idea that we work on this one ... now it's time for you to chip in your .11! :) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:37:10 -0400 From: Fred and Evelyn Wolke Subject: Re: Wood typos Nate DeRose wrote: > Oh christ. > > Now we're getting trolls. > :( > > nate Now? You mean "We're still getting trolls..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:32:59 -0400 From: Fred and Evelyn Wolke Subject: Re: Wood typos "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Ln wrote: > > But sometimes I forget. (Yes, > > I know you're not supposed to start a sentence with and or but. :) > > Actually there is nothing wrong with starting a sentence with And or But > if used appropriately and sparingly. Style books tell you not to do > this, because if you do it wrong or frequently you sound illiterate. > However consider the following: > > I'm completely fed up with this discussion! (And that is all I have to > say about it.) > > The above is a completely correct set of sentences. Don't believe > everything you read in a grammar book! Actually, you don't put capitalisation or periods inside a pair of parentheses. I'm completely fed up with this discussion! (and that is all I have to say about it) Is more correct. Also, "I'm completely fed up with this discussion! And that is all I have to say about it." is also correct. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:29:27 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Aaack. Wouldn't you know, I had this song coursing through my > subconscious all night long. NOT a pleasant dream state, as you can > imagine. Well, I've had the song running through my head all month, but that's because I've been attempting to record it for some unknown reason. I've finally come up with what I consider to be a suitable recording (suitable meaning I hit the right strings on the right beats :) and have made an mp3 of it... but... it's huge. And I don't know how they feel about unauthorized covers, so I'm not going to put it on my page just yet. I suppose if anyone really wants to hear it, I *could* send it to you (it's about 4MB) as long as it doesn't get spread around or anything... > The third verse is the rescue, from outside, as friends (from school? how > did "you" meet these people, within the strict limits of "your" life?) > introduce "you" to wider experiences -- even to ordinary events such as > Christmas and Groundhog Day. Yet "you" continue to guard the secret, I see this more as just dates and events being blurred together in the person's mind. They don't know what day it is anymore in the real world. And there's also the comparison of Christmas, an important Christian holidy, and Groundhog Day, a silly and meaningless event that people only care about in one little town in Western Pennsylvania. That is to say, because the person has been hidden away in this place for so long, the significance of real holidays is completely lost. - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:26:41 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: OT: Peter Tork Well, I'm not Chrissy, but, as one of the resident amm-f Monkee nuts (and the one with the Peter quote) I'll add to this anyway if that's OK. Kate wrote: >Peter Tork has begun a rather successful solo music career. Well, >successful enough that he played the Tin Angel in Philadelphia. Actually, Peter's involved in 2 different projects right now: a blues/dance band called Shoe Suede Blues, and an acoustic duo with James Lee Stanley. I saw him and James doing one of their Two Man Band shows in Timonium in May, and it was a lot of fun. They each play a solo set (Peter's included everything from Bach to Beatles to Appalachian ballads, and the requisite Monkee song or two), and then they play a set together. Watching them, you can tell that they've been friends for more than 30 years, and that they're having even more fun onstage than the audience is. >Also, Mike Nesmith's mother had something to do with the invention of > >either Wite-Out or Handi-Wipes (I know it's a product with a >ridiculous >phonetically spelled brand name). He's independently >wealthy, and has >therefore never had to do the reunion stuff for >extra cash. Mike's mom invented liquid paper (pretty much the same thing as wite-out). He just wrote a novel a year or 2 ago, called _The Long Sandy Hairs of Neftoon Zamora_, and it's good if you like mystic/bordering-on-pretentious Southwestern fiction. Stopping now before I start lecturing you guys about Micky's stint on "Circus Boy" or the time I saw Davy on the Teen Idols tour, Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 06 Sep 1999 21:00:23 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: www.jian.com > JIAN and its >officers, employees and assigns are not liable for the improper use How do you get to be an officer of JIAN anyway? And if you are one, can you be a master at every art? Angel >"In no event shall JIAN be liable for any special, indirect or consequential >damages I'm sure! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:31:44 GMT From: Queen Lisa Subject: Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO Just a quick question for those who have seen them: what are the videos for Fly and Get In The Car like? L Moore Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Sep 1999 22:08:39 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: Re: OT: Mike Nesmith >He's independently wealthy, and has >> therefore never had to do the reunion stuff for extra cash. > Mike Nesmith actually was one of the early rock video pioneers. And among his claims to fame: I believe he produced the Stone Ponies, Linda Ronstadt's first band. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:37:43 GMT From: Melanie Subject: IWHO (Was: Will the real Fruvous please, etc.) Others said: > >At the concert, Jian commented on how this was being received as a love song, which, for him as the writer, it was not.<< and >>That's weird, b/c at OC he specifically said it was a love song.<< If I remember correctly, at Ann Arbor, he said something like "When I first wrote this (I Will Hold On), I meant it as a love song. But now, it makes me kind of sad." So, I've been thinking about this in light of the current discussion. At first blush, IWHO strikes me absolutely as a love song. But, depending on the mood the listener is in, one could get quite maudlin listening to it. It's wonderful. As a woman, I'd love to have someone who feels that way about me, whom I feel the same way about. My guess is that many guys would love to have a woman whom they could feel that way about, and who'd return the feeling. At the moment, I don't have that. Many of us probably don't. So, the song could end up being poignant and sad. And even if someone had or has such a love, that kind of intensity never really lasts. I mean, the feeling probably does, but the intensity of early, passionate love tends to ebb in light of everyday activity--in life. So, eventually the guy might say, "Honey, I just don't want to hold the mirror today." It doesn't mean the love is gone; it may now just be a strong steady ember rather than a torch. So there might be some sadness there as well. I prefer to hear the song as one moment captured in time with the future being "happily ever after." However, if I get sad listening to IWHO, all I need to do is remember Jian's face when he sings, "And I'll hold my ground when people stop and stare." It always makes me smile, though it does make me wonder just what the people might be stopping and staring at. But I'll say it again, the man sure can sell a song. Hope I spelled and punctuated everything correctly. :-) Actually, I agree that it is VERY hard to read uncapitalized, unpunctuated messages, so I usually don't try. melanie melanie@redeemer-cincy.org "Love--and a bit with a dog. That's what they want." from Shakespeare in Love. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:09:41 +0200 From: cqvztn@yahoo.com Subject: largest selection of music on the net 5763 Largest Selection Of Music Any Where http://bestmusic.rvx.net jpghohoqybkutydqilpuktjrrjjkppwfgrqztwgeswrrzsiltncwqutpkwrsqppbshurfzqvfuxygtbzhpyzwcuzwldbxbflu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:20:57 -0700 From: Nat Gertler Subject: C album? Shouldn't it be "Songs For Nat Gertler, Volume C"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:29:58 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: EFO review Ok, for those of you interested, here's the official EFO "Looking Out the Fishbowl" review from Entertainment Weekly: They're really from Virginia, and the lead singer isn't Eddie, but Julie Murphy Wells. So What? On their third [1] studio outing, this "folkternative" quartet charms with an irresistible cache of smart, quirky songs that goose the imagination--a goldfish and a dog plotting to escape their dull suburban home, an international love affair that never gets past the language barrier. Guests John Jennings and Sam Bush sit in, probably just for fun. B+ My personal footnote, not EW's: [1] This isn't right, is it? I count 4 others, not counting Portable... am I delirious? I'd also personally give "Fishbowl" an A-, but then, I don't write for EW. :) I'm just pleased they made the cut. I know, I know, take it to alt.music.efo. :) ciao, donna "Your father and I are thinking of getting a computer because we feel obsolete." --My mom. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Sep 1999 23:34:05 GMT From: remcoat@aol.com (m.d.) Subject: OT: r.e.m. i've just witnessed my first r.e.m. show, which i have been waiting to see for about 8 years. god, it was incredible. if i were to list it into my top greatest shows ever seen, it would come in second, being beaten out only by the king of prussia moxy show from i think it was two summers ago (in the gazebo). it totally made me fall in love with them again. beautiful boys. m.d. "you know that it sounds childish that you've dreamt of alligators." http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/6393/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:40:46 -0400 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: Down From Above video (was: Re: IMPORTANT INFO > Just a quick question for those who have seen them: what are the videos > for Fly and Get In The Car like? whoa... i had no idea i'd opened such a can of worms when i made my first post. ;p anyway, i in no way meant to criticize the meaningfulness of the "down from above" video--it certainly illustrates the idea of conformity and oppression quite effectively--but boy, is it *bizarre*. *spoiler space--turn back now if you ever want to see the video on your own* ok. they're both done in sepia-tone, kind of in the same vein as the "wood" theme. down from above opens with this strange masked child-like figure hanging clothes on a clothesline. the mask is of typical baby-doll style, except the "child" has very little hair and an egg-shaped body. then, the 4 aggressors appear: our frulads, dressed in tall white dunce-type caps, fake teeth & hideously long & pointy nails, corset-like body coverings, tights, and high heels. they entice the "child" to follow them, luring him onto a carousel and then into a house. they play cat's cradle around him, show him those paper-folded "fortune-teller" toys, give him food to eat (and then watch him throw up). they then let the child go. the child returns to hanging laundry... then feels compelled to return to the house. he is welcomed by the 4 figures, given a hat, and shown into the basement, where he is locked in with about a dozen other children, all wearing hats. ed. comments: psychologically disturbing. creepy. bizarre. but fruvous in high heels? that really makes me want to laugh... it's just too absurd. now, fly... still in sepia-tone, the basic premise is that there is a couple experimenting with human flight (goggles & flight gear, big wings, leaping off ladders & trees, etc). the woman becomes disillusioned and abandons the man, who then tries his own flight--which results disasterously. the video ends with the woman tying herself to the man's limp (but not dead) body, spreading her wings and preparing to jump together from what looks like a steep precipice. all the while, the storyline is punctuated with shots of fruvous singing and playing in an outdoor setting. ed. comments: sweet, poignant... the "flight" scenes are done flickery, very silent-movie-esque. it really does a beautiful job of personifying the emotions felt by those the characters in the song. my only gripe is that it lacks adequate jian-camera-time, considering he's the lead singer. but that might not bother all of you. *grin* time to study music theory & stop procrastinating. bah. it's labour day--aren't we supposed to *rest*? *sigh* ^kat^ "was it just a fool's impression?" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:45:47 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: Re: EFO review > Guests > John Jennings and Sam Bush sit in, probably just for fun. B+ > Sam Bush? *The* Sam Bush?? Mandolin great Sam Bush??? Very very cool! I'll be seeing him as part of the Bela Fleck "Bluegrass Sessions" tours, in October. Can anybody tell me exactly what he does on the album? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 00:28:33 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: EFO review >they reviewed the new EFO album...hmm maybe i'll have to pick up a copy of >this. YES, YOU SHOULD. :) You should also hie yourself on over to Pollstar, find out when they'll be within hailing distance, and GO SEE THEM LIVE. >> On their third [1] studio outing, >My personal footnote, not EW's: >[1] This isn't right, is it? I count 4 others, not counting Portable... am I >delirious? EFO's first album was recorded at a venue (the Birchmere, sans audience) and so is not--technically--a studio album. It also contains three live tracks. Their second album also included some live tracks (although it seems niggling to deny it the name "studio album" just because of that). Only _I Rode Fido Home_, _Big Noise_, and _Looking Out The Fishbowl_ have no live tracks whatsoever. The confusion probably stems from the band itself, who have this to say about LOTF (www.efohio.com/fishbowl.html): "While it [LOTF] is our sixth, it's only our third full studio album... " They likely included this or a similar statement on the promo materials, and EW condensed it somewhat. > >> Guests >> John Jennings and Sam Bush sit in, probably just for fun. B+ >Sam Bush? *The* Sam Bush?? Mandolin great Sam Bush??? Very very cool! I'll >be seeing him as part of the Bela Fleck "Bluegrass Sessions" tours, in >October. Can anybody tell me exactly what he does on the album? He, Bela Fleck, and John Jennings sit in on "The Old Dominion". It sounds *real* cool. :) - --nicole the wonder edhead *** "Never chase anyone off a cliff."--from Due South Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #792 ********************************************