From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #765 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 765 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Independence Day Question [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead ] OT: the lake, sort of (was: Re: Independence Day Question [chad schrock ] Re: Poor Mary Lane [serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman)] Re: seen at the local Borders... [ksucy@nospam.eznet.net (Shilfiell Nels ] Re: Question: [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Independence Day Question [chad schrock ] Re: Hate letter references [Donna Hunt ] Re: Independence Day Question [chad schrock ] Re: funny old Fruvous stuff ["Ken Perschke" ] Re: Question: [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: New Frudegreen [michykith@aol.com (Michykith)] Re: Bed and Breakfast (was: Re: Listening to Fruvous Albums (was Impressions) [chad schrock ] Re: Hitchikers at the Folk Fest [FruCake1@aol.com] random French music question [acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78)] Re: Bed and Breakfast (was: Re: Listening to Fruvous Albums (was Impressions) [Bridget > can anyone here think of any part of the US where it'd be cool >> enough to wear a coat on ID? even a raincoat? well, seattle maybe. > >ummm... How about Alaska. That's still a state, right? :) It would have to be a pretty lightweight coat -- Alaska's quite temperate in July. Maybe at night ... - -- Lori ************************** I do believe I can't go on this way ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:29:15 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: OT: the lake, sort of (was: Re: Independence Day Question maria wrote: > [1] oh, don't you just love it when people act like something > that doesn't belong to them does? ex: "my grocery store > carries..blah blah blah" Or the people that think that they play for a pro sports team? "Well, we had a tough game yesterday." "Do you play for the _____?" "No, I'm just a big fan." "Then you didn't have a rough game yesterday, did you?" - -- chad at radix dot net (borrowed a little, from "Coach") ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1999 02:07:41 GMT From: serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman) Subject: Re: Poor Mary Lane To me, Poor Mary Lane sounded like a bad situation of a female college student. Blackmail, skanky professors and being in the wrong place at the wrong time sound like they are what this song is all about. Even worse, it sounds like the "guy(s)" who were/was the "Knight" was a friend of Poor Mary and got sucked into the problem. That's just my $0.02. - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Member of the Jian fan club Owner of all the MF albums and all of Ani DiFranco's "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:13:34 -0500 From: ksucy@nospam.eznet.net (Shilfiell Nels Rada) Subject: Re: seen at the local Borders... In article <37C88915.608C@toad.net>, epbuckley@toad.net wrote: > woo hoo! didja hear that? fruvous is *punk* now! i guess i should dig > out my fishnets and dog collar. > This is more fodder for my theory that Früvous is simply a more mature, talented incarnation of the fairly obscure three-chord Canadian band of days gone by, Teenage Head. They're dressing better these days, at least. - -kimberly - -now listening to Nina Hagen's cover of "White Punks on Dope" for no reason. - -- "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- Vice President Al Gore ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1999 02:55:18 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: Question: kate said > I have my >unofficial suspicions that Jude Coombe looks through it occassionally, too . she posted sometime last month! (unless that was another jude and i'm an idiot) solem genna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:19:35 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Independence Day Question "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > can anyone here think of any part of the US where it'd be cool > enough to wear a coat on ID? even a raincoat? well, seattle maybe. ummm... How about Alaska. That's still a state, right? :) - -- chad at radix dot net Josh.... booooooooo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:59:40 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Hate letter references Wayne Drury wrote: > Speaking of which, why are they saying "Totally Sony, totally great" in this song, > when it seems that a mere two years ago, they were fondly reminiscing about how they > "gave the finger to Sony" in Your New Boyfriend? Have they really changed that much > since YWGTTM? Yes. ;) Actually, what I think they're referencing when they mention Sony in Hate Letter, it's again a flash back to the late 70's/80's where Sony was cool... because Hey! Look at this cool Stereo! Kind of stuff. I think it is EXACTLY pointing out how far they (and hopefully most folks) have come since those days. Besides, they gave the finger to Sony in college, while doing all kinds of other "left-wing" activities. In Hate Letter they're just remembering a time when Sony was cool... and dude, do you remember those rubber bracelets everyone used to wear?? :) ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:46:40 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Independence Day Question "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > > I've been at a loss over this one for awhile -- it seems unnatural, > > an artificial observation. And I think maybe that's the point -- > > **A** hot dog stand in any city is utterly inadequate, insufficient, > > a sight notable for its singularity > > artificial observation indeed! it totally messes with the mood begun > by streamers and fireworks. all i can think when i hear this line > is, "ONE hot dog stand? only one, for a whole city?" which makes me > think, "ok, then either it's got a line that stretches around the > block (which is an image that doesn't fit in the song), or it's just > representative of a desolate scene he's trying to paint." but that > doesn't work either, because the rest of the scene isn't desolate > at all; it's celebratory. i'm stumped on this one. Now, I think the two of you are being a bit too literal for your own good here. When I hear the song, I get the picture of a Murray-like person walking in a park (maybe something like the park along the Charles River in Boston) in the Fall or Winter, sometime after the trees have lost their leaves. It's a cold and cloudy day, with the wind blowing down the river. The lone hot dog stand is there as he walks past; the owner is hoping that he might be able to make a couple of dollars of the handful of people in through the park. Old streamers, from some previous celebration, are hanging from street lights, faded and worn from the weather. I don't know quite how the clowns fit in, but to me this song could very well be talking about someone that is along on one of the major winter holidaze (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's Eve, etc...) As I write this, I'm thinking that NYE might be the best match. Lovers would be walking hand in hand, there might be real fireworks. (Although, I see lights on a string between the street lamps.) Everyone, except the singer, are happy with the person that they love, then it rains..... The singer is expressing his independence from his relationship and from the year that brought it. YMMV, of course, but that is the mental image that I get when I hear the song. (It also might explain why I love it so much, but I don't know.) > the hot dog stand line also puts me in mind of A Confederacy of > Dunces every time i hear it, and that's entirely inappropriate > to the mood of the song. ;) Behave. ;) (It's been entirely too long since I have read that book.) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:03:36 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: Re: funny old Fruvous stuff > > Even older than that, Ken -- just go up a couple directories to > http://www.mit.edu:8001/mj/ > > According to their site: "(11/19/94, unearthed from the archives 5/10/96)" > One word: wow. Thats old :) Ken ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:05:06 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Question: Genna said: >> I have my >>unofficial suspicions that Jude Coombe looks through it occassionally, too . > >she posted sometime last month! (unless that was another jude and i'm an >idiot) She posts tour updates as they come about. Whether she reads the rest is a matter of conjecture: I vote yes. - -- Lori, who always thinks it's a good idea to assume Important People Are Reading. :) ********************* I wonder how I'll celebrate? ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:16:09 GMT From: michykith@aol.com (Michykith) Subject: Re: New Frudegreen My dear friend Adrienne misheard the Drinking Song the first couple times she listened to it. She though "He said we're like cows in the grass" was "He said, Look, that cows in the grass." But my fave misheard lyric by Ady is actually a Nields song. It is "She has long purple skirts and an old mutt she get in college. Long purple skirts and a dog" She heard..."She has long purple skirts and i know what she does in college, long purple skirts and a dorm." ~Joni (fnjoni@fruhead.com) * * * * - -You could hit him with a banjo - -A _banjo_ Bob? - -Yeah, I saw a guy get hit by a banjo once...and he went down. (bob and red, That 70's Show) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:20:59 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast (was: Re: Listening to Fruvous Albums (was Impressions) Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Lawrence observed: > > >[1] the more we say the phrase "Bed and Breakfast" on the > >newsgroup, the more they may be reminded that it exists. :) > > I'll bite. Bed and Breakfast. Stick it in every header. > Reference it in each post. Can't hurt can it? No it can't. This way, they'll be ready to play it in Southern California in October. :) > Shouldn't have wanted more .... :) No, you shouldn't have. - -- chad at radix dot net Vodka from a Mason jar.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:16:23 -0400 From: Fiona Subject: Another Thornhill review (That's all we need) However I *said* I'd do it, and I'm pretty good about doing what I say, even if I do tend to take my sweet time about it. All those "wood" comparisons I was reading while waiting for True North to release "Thornhill" made me rather uneasy. I still am not sure I'd ever use the term "like" to describe my reaction to "wood". "Not actively dislike" is usually as far as I'd go, unless we're talking about *live*. I wasn't happy about the notion of relating to the most anticipated album of the year that way. Fortunately I have only the foggiest notion of where people got the idea "Thornhill" was "wood: the second coming". (I have even less than the foggiest notion of why people worship "wood" anyway, so that kind of makes sense.) If I *had* to compare it to a Früvous album, I'd say it was "Bargainville", all grown-up. But it's not "wood", it's not "Bargainville", it's *certainly* not YWGTTM - it's "Thornhill". And what a lovely album it is. I'm in love with this album. Not ecstatically bouncing-up-and-down WOW in love, just quietly, deeply, reflectively in love. It's like a very very good friend - the one you can't believe you only met a year ago. "Thornhill" is what I never thought Moxy Früvous could be - subtle. There's gentle humour, and hidden irony. There's a surface simplicity which is really deceptive. When She Talks is a great example of this, but I'd rather not spend 5000 words on this review so I'll use Earthquakes. It's the most overtly spiritual song I've heard from Früvous, but unless one is really in the mood to ask the very simple question "Who's "he"?" it's just a slightly goofy song about keeping things in perspective and stopping to smell the roses. Musically speaking (and I really have no business speaking about this side of it but anyway) it's one of those that has to be "dumbed down" to be played onstage, yet I can't help but visualize Dave wandering around the crowd with a hat in his hand as he's singing. Favourite song? Despite the fact that I love every single song for different reasons, I'd have to say "Downsizing". I've always been fond of Früvous' political songs, and this is a masterpiece. I could probably listen to it all day. That said, "Too Careful" is a song that's keeping me sane. I'm going to have to play it a lot over the next couple of months to get myself back into the headspace I lost sometime during university. F*ck the real world, I have things that need doing or I'll end up taking a permanent job at this bank. And Independence Day... they need to do a video for this song, it's so intensely visual, which is something I love in a song. Hate Letter. I was so glad there was one song on the album I'd never heard before. I can't say it rocks, because it's not a rocking song. I love the layers, the humour, the style... if they ever play this live I want to be there. Who do I bribe and with what? "Sad Girl" is a social commentary that the people at whom it's directed won't listen to, but it might just get the little ones to stay away from that kind of thinking. I hear it every time I see one of those "Gap" ads - - especially the subway posters. As for Jian's comment about his vocals.. a smooth, polished lead vocal would be totally wrong for this song. It's a criticism of the in people, the people who subscribe to media culture, the ads.. the smooth, polished images and the vocal on the album just emphasizes that. The only song I skip on this album is "If Only". It's a Mike song, and will always be a Mike song in my mind. I mind the backing vocals. I mind the drums, I *very much* mind the keyboard. The clapping hands and tambourine are enough to make me scream. Did I mention the backing vocals? Rationally speaking, I suppose it's a decent song, and considering the very strong fan reaction to it, I can see why Früvous wanted it on the CD, but I will always prefer the stark, raw emotion which the song drew when Mike stood up on the stage alone with his guitar and dedicated it to his "beloved". Other than that, I wouldn't change anything about this album. In my mind "Thornhill" does draw on everything Früvous has ever done, as well as probably the vast majority of what they've listened to. It's a very complete album, and I hope it earns them the success they deserve. Fiona - -- Jian:"If that's Jaymz, respond" *honk* Dave:"If that's my mother, respond" *honk* Dave:"If that's my mother and you're watching one of my hockey games, respond" *honk* Harbourfront, 26/8/99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:55:19 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: Hitchikers at the Folk Fest Lindsay, It was GREAT meeting you too! I definitely want to hear the full story!! You can tell me on the way to Bowling Green-- :) LOL. Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, but I just got my computer up and running after the worst move of my life--10am to 11pm!!!!!!! I haven't finished unpacking,but....... I"ve got my computer:) ---YAY!!!!!!!! Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:52:33 GMT From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78) Subject: random French music question Just wondering if anyone here has ever heard of a group possibly called Plastique Bertram? They're a French band who sing (sang?) goofy '50s-60s pop-type songs, and my French teacher in HS used to play them for us sometimes. That's actually all I know about them, so I was wondering if any of you knew more. Carey, with a big ugly bruise after the Jian lookalike fiasco last night ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:56:15 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast (was: Re: Listening to Fruvous Albums (was Impressions) - --- chad schrock wrote: > > Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > Lawrence observed: > > > > >[1] the more we say the phrase "Bed and > Breakfast" on the > > >newsgroup, the more they may be reminded > that it exists. :) > > > > I'll bite. Bed and Breakfast. Stick it in > every header. > > Reference it in each post. Can't hurt can > it? > > No it can't. This way, they'll be ready to > play it in Southern > California in October. :) or even COLORADO in october... (o; === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines!" ~Mr. Furious, 'Mystery Men' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:44:19 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Maggie's Harbourfront review In article <7qejbj$gs8@dfw-ixnews16.ix.netcom.com>, kpfruhead@aol.com says... > Side note: why would you want to replace the banjo when it has that really > cool painted head?!?! So Mike can have fun painting another one. Duh. k@ - -- The Katrin(tm) (white baked epoxy enamel) Toilet Tissue dispensers are made with 22 gauge steel, which assures security and minimizes vandalism and waste. They are equipped with a slotted viewing window for a quick check at a glance. All Katrin(tm) dispensers share one universal key. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1999 03:48:02 GMT From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78) Subject: Re: seen at the local Borders... I've learned to take the blurbs at Borders listening stations with lots and lots of grains of salt -- especially ever since they compared Lucy Kaplansky to Alanis Morrisette. When they write these little reviews, at least of more "obscure" musicians, they throw in references to other artists that they think will attract the average listener. Hence the Barenaked Ladies and punk comparisons with Fruvous. On the one hand, you could very well get the attention of people who might never have heard of Fruvous, and they oculd end up loving the band and buying all the cds. On the other hand, you could mislead people into buying Thornhill for the next "One Week" and being extremely disappointed. But Borders doesn't have a return policy, so they don't have to worry about that, now, do they? Carey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:01:32 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: OT: Katchoo, was Jesus, was Thornhill In article <7qf5tu$igk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, murmbeetle@my-deja.com says... > I find it to be the opposite, mostly. I often feel there's a real > element of competition as per Frushows logged. > I often find myself feeling bitter that I do have "a life" (I use the > term not to insult but because that's been the accepted terminology > this thread & generally)--on another continent no less, and usually > don't get the latest injoke or the oh my god no fruconcert for two > hours i'm gonna diiie. Shall we now begin the competition of who's gotten their letters and photos published in SiP? I for one am envious, but then I've never actually tried writing to Terry, *yet*. Nice job on the hat, BTW. Congrats. k@ - -- The Katrin(tm) (white baked epoxy enamel) Toilet Tissue dispensers are made with 22 gauge steel, which assures security and minimizes vandalism and waste. They are equipped with a slotted viewing window for a quick check at a glance. All Katrin(tm) dispensers share one universal key. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #765 ********************************************