From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #756 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, August 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 756 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Independence Day Question [luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria)] Re: Independence Day Question [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Independence Day Question [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead ] Re: Independence Day Question [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Chad's Itinerary and Insanity? [Tim Cain ] Mostly OT:Mike Wood; FR*SL*T extrodinaire [Laneta Hinton ] Bed and Breakfast was Re: Independence Day Question [Lawrence P Solomon <] Re: Hate letter references [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] SUCCESS!! [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: OT: DC area navigation [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Meet & Greet [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Independence Day Question ["Winnie da Fru aka Sara" >Somehow when I think "city" I think big huge Toronto/Philadelphia/Bawlmer (at >least)-sized City, Hmm...I *never* said Des Moines was "big huge". But, it _does_ count as a city. not a hometown in Vermont or Iowa or North Carolina. You mean to tell me that Philadelphia (or wherever you live that I can't remember) is _not_ where you live (your hometown)? Not >to >be an urban snob or anything, but I wouldn't *expect* smallish towns >necessarily to have hot dog stands Okay, just because I don't live in a megalopolis (sp?), doesn't mean that I don't live in a city. we just don't have hot dog stands, 'cause people know enough to not eat that crap. Actually, I think we have a law preventing traveling food places, or something like that. maria ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 04:31:15 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question joe, who did an excelent job of interpreting this song (way to go, joe) " Except for the clowns I suppose." >He was "alone", and apparently either felt that he was made >to look bad at the end, or feels residual guilt about the end. Thus, he >groups himself with the "clowns" instead of the "lovers". Plus, >everyone digs the whole "tragic clown" juxtaposition. i think joe missed one point...i think that that the narrarator also so the clows as laughing at him. he was alone...and they were mocking him...his only companions (since everyone else was coupled off or flying away) were laughing in his face. it's like those scary yellow smily faces...you know the ones i mean...the yellow ones with the black eyes and mouths...very seventies...and came back a few years ago...i had a stress ball smily that a friend gave me...i HATED it...cause it seemed to mock me. i dont know if anyone understands this post...but...*sigh* i'm tiard...i'll shut up solem genna ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 04:07:17 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question truztno1 proposed: > i've >noticed that ammf-ers do *really* nice analysises (geez, that's a really hard >word to say...) of songs, etc., and i'd be willing to compile all the >different >posts into one, probably *big* analyzation, and post it up on a web page with >the lyrics to the song(s) (unless chris o. wants it for FDC). and anytime >you'd >wonder about a song, past discussions would already be up, just for >reference... please tell me what you think (as nicely as possible.)!!! Actually I think that's a pretty decent idea -- so far this month the collective has done IWHO, MPG, Fly and now, exhaustively, Indy Day. We probably don't need all the banter/asides, but the basic analytic dialogue would be an interesting point of reference for new people asking what a song might be about. Providing truztno1 or whoever else does this project promises to compile *analyses* (probably as one big *analysis*) . - -- Lori, who thinks maybe Bed And Breakfast is ripe for some analysis. ;) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 04:44:39 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question >"The city had a hot dog stand" perhaps this seemingly pointless observation was just his attempt to show us that he was *not obsessing* over the break-up. that he was perfectly capable of percieving the world in perspective. and what a futile attempt it was! "murray, what city were you in? what was going on?" "umm...well...it had a hot-dog stand..." he didnt see anything but those things which seemed to comment on his state of being...he was lost in a daze of self pity/lonelyness/whatever else. there we go...overanalasis complete solem genna(who's thinking maybe it was just a convenient rhyme for "hand") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:58:46 GMT From: Tim Cain Subject: Re: Chad's Itinerary and Insanity? For what it's worth, this is me. Exactly. (Well, it's 25 months for me, but all that means is my friends and family are more amused, confused and bemused than yours. And I've made a few converts as well.) And I'm 40 in two weeks. I've NEVER done this road trip stuff before, and I've never had so much fun with music. - --tc >> As it is, Moxy Fruvous has brought a whole lot of fun into my life and a wonderful kind of craziness which is so different from anything else I do. And because 14 months ago, I would have thought being a Fruhead would be totally out of character for me, it's made me reflect on my life and what's important in life in general--humor and lightheartedness being among them. And in reflection, I've realized that many of the things that I think are important in life are reflected in Fruvous songs. My family and friends are by turns amused, confused, and bemused (as I am myself) by this obsession. But a lot of younger folks who know me think it's cool. The wonderful thing about this news group is, I don't have to explain this obsession to any of you. It's a given. Yeah, sometimes some comments feel judgmental, but I usually attribute them to the inadequacies of the electronic medium. (Giving the benefit of the doubt.) << === "It's just goes to show you, it takes all kinds, except for 'little people' and radiologists." -- Jim Thielman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:20:14 -0400 From: Laneta Hinton Subject: Mostly OT:Mike Wood; FR*SL*T extrodinaire Mike Wood, has been officially titled as the new reigning king of all illicit fruhead activities. He has a "boat in every port"; and from what I hear he could frutrip forever without deprivation of any sort. His harem of young girls includes Frubaby, Fruinfant, and Red (from Fraggle Rock)... This disturbs me, and it should disturb you too. In the hotel room in Toronto last nite, Mike looked at me over the crack pipe (which I had tried, and tried to remove from his grubby fingers) and stated that no matter what the cost to himself or anyone else, he will seduce every female fruhead under the age of 8 by the time Frucon arrives this winter. I beg of any concerned friends to help stage an intervention. E-mail, write and phone Mikey, and let him know that you care, that you're listening and that you'll hold his hand if he just needs a friend. Don't let this unfortunate situation spiral out of control into the most fantastic tragedy in AMMF history!* - --luella *this public service bulletin was sponsored by Tinky-Wink Telletubbie, the society for prevention of cruelty to fescue (who do you think posts all those "do not walk on the grass" signs?? huh?)' & Gabrielle Garcia Marquez ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:16:11 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Independence Day Question truztno1 wrote: > and i thought, hmmm, what do you guys think of putting this up on the web? > i've noticed that ammf-ers do *really* nice analysises (geez, that's a > really hard word to say...) of songs, etc., and i'd be willing to compile > all the different posts into one, probably *big* analyzation, and post it up > on a web page with the lyrics to the song(s) (unless chris o. wants it for > FDC). and anytime you'd wonder about a song, past discussions would already > be up, just for reference... please tell me what you think (as nicely as > possible.)!!! if you don't like it, just say so, please don't give me 50 > billion reasons why it might be such a crappy idea. one reason is sufficient > enough to kill the idea. ; ) I think it's a great idea, and I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't seen anything like it before... over on the TMBG side of the net, we dissect all their songs to no end. There's been a bunch I've been wondering about, but I've had nowhere to really look... howabout It's Too Cold? Does anyone have *any* clue at all what that's about? 'Cause I sure don't... :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:32:20 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Bed and Breakfast was Re: Independence Day Question Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > -- Lori, who thinks maybe Bed And Breakfast is ripe for some analysis. ;) I actually thought that Bed and Breakfast was fairly straightforward. In a metaphorical kind of way. But I'm not sure where the "Bed and Breakfast" part fit in to the story, unless it's meant to imply a one night stand with no hope for anything beyond that... The thing I'm wondering is if it's just a coincidence or if the title *is* an intentional play on words, because I can't think of the phrase "Bed and Breakfast" being used to describe anything at all without referencing the concept of what a Bed and Breakfast is. (I mean, without B&B's, the song might be called "Sleep and Eat" or "Sex and Food" :) Ok, really I'm just babbling. The whole point of this message was to see how many times I could write the phrase "Bed and Breakfast" in one post. :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 19:59:31 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Hate letter references Isn't it Jos Louis?? And if not, what the heck have I been eating?! No, don't tell me... they're yummy (albeit likely toxic) and I don't want to spoil the illusion of beign actual food. :) Veronica (I haven't had one of those since they changed from round to bar shaped... not as much fun in a bar...) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 18:56:08 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: SUCCESS!! IWHO is now playing on Mix99.9!! I mean *right* now, as I am typing this, the radio beside me is playing the song! Whee!! Sounds better on the radio... :) Why does this make me so giddy? 'Prolly just 'cause of last night's comments... :) :) Veronica (it's been a long time since I heard "... the new single from Moxy Fruvous" on Toronto radio!) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 19:54:14 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: OT: DC area navigation Several people commented: >meets the 110 doesn't say exit 110 North or South, it says >"110 Pasadena," or "110 San Pedro." I STILL don't know >where San Pedro is. > Ahh, but this is not just a phenomenon in SoCal, they do this in the DC area, too! And, in this, you have summed up the *entire* reason that I get lost while driving in the US, even with a map!! :) Veronica (who hails from a place where the roads have different numbers, the exits are labelled, and the highway signs are labelled with major cities - Kingston, Toronto, London - and directions! *And* to top it off, east means east, west means west, north means... you get the idea.) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 12:42:43 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Meet & Greet Soooo . . If I manage to get to Denver in October . . .I can get help with transportation and crash space?? HMmmmmm? Not likely that I'll have the time or tavel $$$ then, but just possibly. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:36:16 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Re: Independence Day Question >Actually I think that's a pretty decent idea -- so far this month the >collective has done IWHO, MPG, Fly and now, exhaustively, Indy Day. We >probably don't need all the banter/asides, but the basic analytic dialogue >would be an interesting point of reference for new people asking what a >song >might be about Sounds like a good idea to me - however, I would also say there should be a header paragraph or something on the site, saying that these are the views of some of the NG - not neccessarily all (there are some lurkers out there) and not neccessarily what the author or the band as a collective feel about the song. The idea should be to get people rolling with some ideas of what the song *may* be about, because we must remember that we are not the definative version of what the song is. Sara, hoping that didn't sound snarky, but more along the lines of helpful suggestions ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 13:32:21 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: RE: BNL/Moxy Fruvous/National Anthems I really think they should also do an anthem at a Blue Jays game ... I was chatting a little bit with Mike after the second Borders in-store and he seems to be a pretty big Jays fan ... he mentioned that they seemed to be a good group of guys and I have to say that they are probably one of the best teams I've dealt with in terms of just having really cool, nice people on the club. (The Jays, the Indians especially now that Lofton is on the DL and the Marlins get my votes offhand) ... PLUS, I know the front office is familiar with Fruvous because prior to FruCon I was joking to one of them that I wished I could come up with a good off-season story that would take me to Toronto so I could combine it with an event I wanted to attend and when he asked me what it was he knew exactly who I was talking about ... the next time I talked to him, a few months later, the first thing he asked was whether I'd gotten up to see Moxy Fruvous that time! My .02 ... QL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:55:21 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Chad's Itinerary and Insanity? In a message dated 8/27/99 7:09:00 PM Central Daylight Time, Melanie@redeemer-cincy.org writes: > As it is, Moxy Fruvous has brought a whole lot of fun into my life and a > wonderful kind of craziness which is so different from anything else I do. > And because 14 months ago, I would have thought being a Fruhead would be > totally out of character for me, it's made me reflect on my life and what's > important in life in general--humor and lightheartedness being among them. > And in reflection, I've realized that many of the things that I think are > important in life are reflected in Fruvous songs. > > My family and friends are by turns amused, confused, and bemused (as I am > myself) by this obsession. But a lot of younger folks who know me think it's > cool. And in comes Fogeyfru (Lois) to agree with you, Melanie. I certainly had no idea that I could "still" fall under the influence of a band. Thought I was too "old" for such a thing. In fact, I have never been as taken with a band as I am with MF. I agree that it has something to do with the desire for some fun and lightheartedness. I also think it has a lot to do with the values expressed and my current desire to pass those along to my kids. Of course, I have to thank Maria for this as she got me to *really* listen to them along with several other performers as well (EFO, Susan Werner--I LOVE her, Guster, etc.). I would have to say that she keeps me young. (I never thought I could handle jr. high-age kids--until she was that age and I found myself coaching a 7th grade Mock Trial team and an 8th grade Odyssey of the Mind team. Both were great experiences!! Now I'll have to see how I handle high schoolers...) I just really wanted to say how much I identify with your comments, Melanie. Right on!! As we used to say in "the olden days." *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:09:45 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Independence Day Question I think posting the analyses is a great idea!! (And putting them together with the lyrics really helps.) I'd love to go back and look at some of the older ones if they are still available. If not, that's okay. I just think that people on this ng do a very good job of it. *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:19:32 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Independence Day Question In a message dated 8/28/99 12:50:43 AM Central Daylight Time, luckydabed@aol.complexity writes: > Okay, just because I don't live in a megalopolis (sp?), doesn't mean that I > don't live in a city. we just don't have hot dog stands, 'cause people know > enough to not eat that crap. Actually, I think we have a law preventing > traveling food places, or something like that. Just have to add a bit to Maria's message-- Des Moines DOES have food stands (rolling kiosks) on a central plaza in our downtown area. She has never worked in that area so isn't aware of it. (They only come out at noon during the summer.) There are, however NO hot dog stands!! They sell pizza, burgers, sandwiches, ice cream, etc. but no hot dogs. *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:41:13 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: Re: OT: priceline.com (this is not spam) >Hey, if William Shatner endorses it, how could things go >wrong???!! "And yeah, we can take this ensign in the red shirt along with us on the away mission" - - Life101 - you asked :) "I get lost and found so many times in a day" Andrea Florian - -=( http://www.mental.nu/~life101 | ICQ:39307347 )=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:55:15 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: Re: First Impressions - Thornhill Review (probably long) Winnie da Fru aka Sara wrote in message <19990825182903.81563.qmail@hotmail.com>... >Tried that - but I'm cheap when it comes to paper. In Netscape, it's about >19 pages. Cut and pasted into word - turned out to be 29! I've been >editing it down (changed font, cut out spaces, etc) and I'm down to about 15 >and halfway through. I'm working on it though. :) I got it down to 2 (double sided) pages in Works! I put it in Times New Roman in size 7.5, with 3 columns (no spaces between) and the spacing on the borders as: Top=1.4cm Bottom=0cm Left=2cm Right=2 cm Header=1cm Footer=0cm For the bit in Sad Girl where Jian sings one part, Dave & Murray sing another, and Mike sings yet another I put Jian's lines normal, Dave & Murray's in italics, and underlined Mike's. It is pretty easy to read when it is printed. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 18:51:37 GMT From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78) Subject: my mom has come to her senses! My mom is the one who's convinced that Fruvous sings out of tune and that it's all a conspiracy to see how many people they can fool into actually thinking they're musicians. She's always said this stuff in a sort of facetious way, but I know she means at least the first part. So . . . I did what you lovely ammf-ers suggested, and made her listen to GWS, and she liked it!! Her actual response was, "Why don't they always sing like this?" At least now she knows they can. Carey ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 19:25:39 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Didn't mean to offend Maria (or anyone else who doesn't live in a bighugemegalopolis) when I said: >not a hometown in Vermont or Iowa or North Carolina. >You mean to tell me that Philadelphia (or wherever you live that I can't >remember) is _not_ where you live (your hometown)? Well actually Philly's not where I live, so it's not my hometown. Philly is a city. It has numerous hot dog carts. My hometown, Upper Darby, isn't a city; it's a township to be precise. Population around 85,000. We have no hot dog stands/carts either (unless you count the indoor stands at places like KMart or various supermarkets) although there are assorted restaurants and ice cream/water ice emporia. My point being, dog carts are a business-district streetcorner thing in my humble experience. I've never seen them in smaller towns/cities/boros/whatever you call them. I've seen them in Manhattan and Ottawa and Montreal and Chicago and Philly and ... I think y'all get the picture, eh? >Okay, just because I don't live in a megalopolis (sp?), doesn't mean that I >don't live in a city. we just don't have hot dog stands, 'cause people know >enough to not eat that crap. Oh come on, in IOWA, hog capital of the US, people don't eat hot dogs? Actually, I think we have a law preventing >traveling food places, or something like that. Now that's a zoning thing, not a size thing. Actually I'm surprised Des Moines itself doesn't have a dog stand or two. As for Carroll[1] or Boone[2] - -- those are the type of "cities" I certainly wouldn't expect to find even one dog stand in, because I'd doubt their population or daily traffic is sufficient to support such a business. - -- Lori ******************** And now you're paid in full [1] a "county seat' which is basically a crossroads [2] see [1] ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 19:47:36 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast was Re: Independence Day Question Lawrence said: >I actually thought that Bed and Breakfast was fairly straightforward. In a >metaphorical kind of way. Doesn't mean it can't be analysed. Doesn't mean we can't spin a thread dedicated to it, because we do adore this song so much, and there are shows coming up in Cleveland and Bowling Green and Columbus :) >The thing I'm wondering is if it's just a coincidence or if the title *is* an >intentional play on words, because I can't think of the phrase "Bed and >Breakfast" being used to describe anything at all without referencing the >concept of what a Bed and Breakfast is. (I mean, without B&B's, the song >might be called "Sleep and Eat" or "Sex and Food" :) B&Bs are "supposed* to be a romantic experience, a getaway from ordinary life, right? And that's what our Romeo (and perhaps Juliet too, although we don't get as much of her pov) are looking for, in all the wrong places, with inadequate results ... because romance, and the sex they want (not the sex they wind up having), is really a frame of mind, not a series of calculated, gamelike maneuvers in a bar. I'll not do a line-by-line analysis here, but rather a short criticism. I've always adored this song, in part for its obvious flaws. It stretches so far in its metaphor that it falls, and I suspect that's why we don't hear it live -- the guys know this But I'm enchanted by the literary attempt anyway - imo it's better to stretch creatively and not quite reach what you're going for, than to play it safe all the time, and I think that's what whoever wrote these lyrics (I suspect Murray) did. The Romeo and Juliet part falls flat every time I hear it, yet the song as a whole wouldn't have nearly the impact without the name usage (and the rhino imagery :) ). It showcases a writer's struggle for meaning and verbal elegance very clearly, and I think that's why I like it -- sometimes the words that say what you want most clearly and succinctly (Romeo Rhinoceros, Juliet Gigantic) just kill an otherwise elegant piece. That said, my favorite Früvous line has to be: She knows that the glove on the hand in her lap conceals a wedding ring. The aural flow of this phrase is amazing. All syllables are accented equally, which means it just rolls over me. All words are monosyllabic except two, which means an incredible amount of meaning is crammed into a rather short phrase. It stuns me everytime I hear it. That's all, I think. At least until someone else comes up with some other brilliantly witty and clearly unsteady remarks. :) - -- Lori ************************ Bed and Breakfast, guys. Please. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:21:35 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast was Re: Independence Day Question Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Doesn't mean it can't be analysed. Doesn't mean we can't spin a thread > dedicated to it, because we do adore this song so much, and there are shows > coming up in Cleveland and Bowling Green and Columbus hint> :) I'm thinking more New Year's - doesn't the Tralf have an actual piano? (or am I thinking of another venue they like?) > I'll not do a line-by-line analysis here, but rather a short criticism. I've > always adored this song, in part for its obvious flaws. It stretches so far in > its metaphor that it falls, and I suspect that's why we don't hear it live -- > the guys know this But I'm enchanted by the literary attempt anyway - imo it's > better to stretch creatively and not quite reach what you're going for, than to > play it safe all the time, and I think that's what whoever wrote these lyrics > (I suspect Murray) did. I think more to the point is that the lyrics may fall a bit short of people's expectations but the music is still wonderful. I love some of the chord progressions, especially on "Who'd have known you would be so predictable?" and the piano solo. I think another reason we don't hear it much is about the same reason we don't hear Sad Today or Misplaced all that often. Not that they're hard to play (although I can't imagine Sad Today being easy to play, either) but that they won't really work in a club atmosphere, like the Vault or the 9:30, and that's the majority of their shows these days. It's probably not worth it to them to re-learn the song for just one or two shows, because I can't see it ever becoming a regular part of the setlist the way Horseshoes and Fly have. > The Romeo and Juliet part falls flat every time I hear it, yet the song as a > whole wouldn't have nearly the impact without the name usage (and the rhino > imagery :) ). It showcases a writer's struggle for meaning and verbal > elegance very clearly, and I think that's why I like it -- sometimes the words > that say what you want most clearly and succinctly (Romeo Rhinoceros, Juliet > Gigantic) just kill an otherwise elegant piece. I wouldn't say it totally falls flat for me, but I kind of wish the imagery there wouuld continue into some Shakespearean type of story... it seems similar to saying to someone "You made your bed,"[1] but not completing the metaphor. I'd kind of end up going "So?" But I realized while listening to it today that there really is no story... it's more of a glimpse into the lives of these two people, who come off as being kind of pathetic because they are looking for something deep and significant in something they both know is meaningless. Of course, we're all doing the same thing just by analyzing the song itself - maybe it's supposed to be meaningless, and yet we're all looking for some deeper meaning in it. :) > She knows that the glove on the hand in her lap conceals a wedding ring. > > The aural flow of this phrase is amazing. All syllables are accented equally, > which means it just rolls over me. All words are monosyllabic except two, > which means an incredible amount of meaning is crammed into a rather short > phrase. It stuns me everytime I hear it. I've never thought of it that way, but I agree that it's a wonderful line, and a good transition into the refrain. [1] The rest of the phrase, of course, being "Now make your Breakfast." :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 1999 21:25:44 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Lori said: >Oh come on, in IOWA, hog capital of the US, people don't eat hot dogs? weeell, farm prices ARE down, which means farmers can't sell their products--and when they can it's for less than it took to produce the product. Or maybe hot dog producers don't want to get all that extra meat that they don't need. You know, the *quality* stuff. ;) maria i really do know that the farmers can't sell their products 'cause they simply have _too_ much to sell ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ Sigh. If you're still reading this you need to get out more. Especially Maria! - --Lauren Scott, written on her website. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #756 ********************************************