From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #752 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 752 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thornhill reflections revisited... ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) [carr] Re: BNL & MF [carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759)] Re: BNL & MF [bballmick@aol.com (Bballmick)] Re: BNL/Moxy Fruvous [carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759)] Re: Independence Day Question [FruKid ] Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) [srm9] Re: BNL & MF [bnlwildy@aol.com (Bnlwildy)] Re: OT:ID4 [Donna Hunt ] Re: Thornhill reflections revisited... [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at] Hey! Not the Beatles! [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com] Dreaming about Frvous... is that wrong? ["The Marvelous Myla Fantastik" <] Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) [srm9] Using Newsgroups now!! ["Dante Bucci" ] Re: Using Newsgroups now!! [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot] Re: Independence Day Question [Leah Bridgers ] Re: Frvous Spirit [Leah Bridgers ] Re: splitting jersey up [truztno1 ] Re: splitting jersey up ["Dante Bucci" ] Re: misplaced story [" Arbie" ] Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) [Brid] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:38:23 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Thornhill reflections revisited... Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > I think in my case > it's become the latter -- much as I adore them and look forward to > their shows, I Frütrip for the whole atmosphere, which includes > seeing new places, meeting new people, and having a blast of an > evening or a weekend or a mini-vacation. ...are any other deadheads out there chuckling right now? peace, ellen ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:17:20 GMT From: ctyner@my-deja.com (Adam Tyner) Subject: Re: BNL/Moxy Fruvous It'd be great if BNL doesn't play to the traditional BNL-sized crowd. Does anyone else miss the days when BNL used to play clubs and theaters? This amphitheater/arena stuff sucks. :-) - -Adam On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:27:05 -0400, "barenakedladies" wrote: >I think it would be great. New years Canadian style in Buffalo. SEE YOU ALL >THERE!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:19:45 GMT From: ctyner@my-deja.com (Adam Tyner) Subject: Re: BNL & MF FWIW, I used to think BNL was one of the best bands I'd ever heard up until '97, when I picked up "Bargainville" after far too many people on the TMBG list recommended it. I can't listen to BNL the same way anymore...especially after they put out an album as mediocre as "Stunt". Yikes. - -Adam On 26 Aug 1999 18:33:04 GMT, bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) wrote: >Which of course isn't even worth responding to, since as far as I know, almost >everything posted on this board is "a matter of opinion, isn't it"? That's >kinda the point of these boards ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:38:54 -0400 From: "Bonnie Conrad" Subject: Re: OT: priceline.com (this is not spam) They got me an excellent deal for Baltimore to San Diego ($150) for Labor Day weekend. I also used them for the same trip in May for slightly less ($130) & everything went well. I just showed up at the airport with ID & they gave me my boarding pass with no problems. The only thing is you don't get to pick times or anything, & you do need to supply a credit card - which is billed immediately if they find tickets for you. I'm not familiar with calling when an offer is turned down, though - that must be a new thing; they always just said no to me. $250 to Buffalo sounds great to me - especially on NYE. Bonnie (who will be working on New Year's Eve - have fun everybody ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:08:48 GMT From: Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter) Subject: Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) - --- "ellen p. buckley" wrote: live music makes me very happy. my family thinks i'm nuts. ;) i don't much care. i put my energy into seeing shows because it gives something back to me. and as long as i have no kids or other responsibilities i'm shirking, it hurts no one. that's all that matters to me. - --- end of quote --- Ellen and Chad, thank you so much! Like Angie, I too was beginning to wonder a) what the lads think of people like me, who will go see them numerous times in a short period, and b) whether I really was as crazy as my friends and family think I am for going to so many shows... All this comes on the heels of my decision to spend my last weekend before school begins seeing Fruvous 10 hours away in Ohio... in general, my friends' response have been something like, "You're going where to see who??" and various other incredulous, 'Amanda, you're nuts' responses... I was also nervous about the lads' response being something like what Murray said to Angie. {Imaginary conversation: Frulad: "Aren't you from upstate NY?" Me: (sheepishly) "Yes..."} But reading your messages helped reassure me that the journey will definitely be worth it and that Fruvous appreciates such fan loyalty. Thank you both. :o) amanda (still working on that nickname... I suppose if I wanted to go for degeneracy I could always switch to "mandi", right Lori?) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:15:11 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question ellen wrote: > all i can think when i hear this line is, "ONE >hot dog stand? only one, for a whole city?" Okay, this has _nothing_ to do with that lyric. But, my [1] city has NO hotdog stand. maria [1] oh, don't you just love it when people act like something that doesn't belong to them does? ex: "my grocery store carries..blah blah blah" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:08:48 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: Independence Day Question > > "(Murray, w/ others) Geneveive, I do believe I can't go on this way To me this represents the feeling that you know something has happened that you didn't want. Personally I must say that I really understand that feeling, the empty calm you get when you find yourself saying, "I don't know what I'm doing, but I know that I'm doing it wrong..". The feeling that you can't go on doing what you're trying to do, and this feeling comes a lot from not understanding what it is you're doing at all. You simply can't take following the shining silk thread into the pitch blackness, a situation where you've finally seen that you really don't know what else you'd do, but you just can't do this anymore. > > (All) Now I know what freedom is on Independence Day." You know you've got to do something else, anything else, to get yourse- lf free from this pit you had never realized you'd fallen into. And you don't want to be free, you want to be happy, and live the life you wanted to have thought you had been living, a sort of disillusionment of the worst kind, when you suddenly see that you've been trapped for so long. also, I wanted to add something about "the city had a hot dog stand".. it's possible that the reason there's only one in his memory is because it's one of the things he knows he's seen, one of the things that is and was true, and there is always going to be at least one hot dog stand, no matter what, somewhere out there, no matter how lost and empty you may feel. FruKid - -- "That means nothing to whatever became of me..." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:37:28 GMT From: carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759) Subject: Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) >I was also nervous about the lads' response being something like what Murray said to Angie. Yikes, what did Murray say to Angie? ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:50:54 GMT From: carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759) Subject: Re: BNL & MF The BNL/MF comparisons are getting old. They are two different bands, with some similarities. One is not better than the other really, they each serve their purpose, and reach people in all kinds of ways. They are cool bands at different stages in their careers, let us leave it at that. - -Carrie ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:45:20 GMT From: bballmick@aol.com (Bballmick) Subject: Re: BNL & MF Hey all... I am a HUGE BNL fan, but after experiencing a live Moxy showfor the first time on Aug. 16, i would have to agree that Moxy does put on a much better live show. I still love BNL but honestly I enjoy Moxy's live show much more at this point. Maria ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:31:28 GMT From: carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759) Subject: Re: BNL/Moxy Fruvous I think it would be possible for Moxy to open for BNL. Cowboy Mouth opened for BNL last year in an arena, and they are not nationally or internationally known. I had never heard of them, neither had my friends. So it is possible for a not-so-well-known band to open for a really popular one. Hopefully they won't though. Don't get me wrong, it WOULD be a fantastic show, but it is so hard to get good seats for BNL now. And it ticks me off because I like seeing bands I like up close. I want Moxy to stay an "up close band" a little bit longer. Maybe that's selfish, but I can't help it!!!! They are too entertaining to watch from the nose bleed section. - -Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:28:31 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: Independence Day Question > > > "And the people came around on Independence Day > > > And the children let go their balloons and flew away." To me this is a contrast of the children to the narrator; the children don't need balloons to fly, they don't need anyone or anything to be pleasantly free and floating. The narrator has just let go his illusion; his balloon, and now he finds out that he can't fly anymore, that he doesn't have anything left to hold him, and he's watching the children fly away and feeling like he's given up his painful balloon of untruths and he can't even fly by himself. This ties in, too, with the feeling that now, in a hope to restart it all, you've given up everything but yourself only to find that you are what hurts you the very most. FruKid, Who Seems To Have Too Much Insight Now That She's Gone To School And Found Out That She Could Really Use To Get Away From Herself Right Now... - -- When am I free.. When do I go.. Help me, child; tell me what I know.. When I'm gone I won't miss myself.. You all just set my soul up on a shelf.. And leave me there.. And someday I'll find me.. Someday I'll be free.. Without a care.. But that means nothing to whatever became of me.. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:54:44 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) Chad wrote a big long explanation of the way he maximizes his free and vacation time (and disposable income) in Frütripping, all of which I've snipped. I've been thinking about this a lot today, I guess because I'm *not* in TO and don't know at this point whether I'll go to Phila Folk Fest this weekend. Yes, I've already seen the band many many times this month. Yes, I've already made some fall Frütripping plans. Sometimes it just bothers me that even at amm-f, land of the acknowledged hippies/geeks/wackos, it seems there's some level of backlash, questioning of sanity, or possibly some disapproval of the level at which others might be happily committed to the Frütripping life -- if that commitment is to a greater level than the individual making the judgment is. It's way too easy to play the comparative game. Let's say hypothetically[1] that jen cenicola says "I'm a fan, but I'm not completely over the edge -- look at Lori, she's got a lot more stamps than me! She's the insane one!" I of course have my own version of that, hypothetically saying "I'm delusional, of course, but I'm not completely insane -- Trace has seven more stamps than me!" Hypo-Trace says "I'm not whacked -- but that Mahoney, my God he's been to 70 shows -- he's nuckin' futz!" And theoretically Mahoney says Chris O is a full blown lunatic. Is it jealousy, judgmentalism, or what? Whatever it is, I say -- lighten up. I *enjoy* these people and this way of spending time, as I said in some other post. And Chad said pretty much the same thing in his explanation. So if this is how some Früheads choose to use their spare time, if this is how they socialize and/or vacation instead of hanging out in bars or watching tv or throwing backyard barbecues -- so what? Who's being hurt by it? It's bad enough the rest of the world thinks we're raving lunatics for being so much into a band they've never heard of. We don't have to play these games, or judge each other's choices, too. - -- Lori ******************** brilliantly witty and clearly unsteady [1] Neither jen nor any of the others I've named have ever said any such thing, far as I know. :) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 00:38:16 GMT From: bnlwildy@aol.com (Bnlwildy) Subject: Re: BNL & MF My $.02... just because I happen to love both bands. Someone noted that BNL's live shows have fallen off a little as the crowds have gotten larger. I tend to agree with this. I've seen them 13 times over the past 7 years, and the energy in the live show has decreased somewhat, but I think that is somewhat inevitable. To be perfectly frank, so has Moxy's. Moxy started playing around Buffalo maybe a year later than BNL... and those early shows were amazing for both bands, because you never knew what was going to happen. I think MF have been able to keep more of this because they play smaller venues, with less staging, etc. Short of a club tour, BNL cannot even really think of that kind of spontaneity anymore. There are too many logistical concerns in a stage show that large to have the complete free reign of their early years. The best show I have ever seen was Barenaked Ladies/Waltons in 1992. A close second was Moxy Fruvous at the Marquee at the Traalf about a year later. The fact is they play different styles of music... they always have. And that's a good thing. And I'd still kill to hear them in a double bill, with a "jam-set" in the middle... Wildy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:42:23 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: OT:ID4 Nicole the Wonder Nerd wrote: > Secondly, I think it's funny to appropriate a multi-million dollar ad > campaign for a completely unrelated use. I also find it nicely ironic > to use the abbreviation for a silly overblown disaster flick for an > understated, subtle, and powerful song. I'm going to go even farther off-topic and yet bring it back to somehow cheesily on-topic, I think. :) When I was in college, we had this great Sax player who's name was (and still is,) Jim Hall. For one of our Jazz Band concerts, one of the promo posters said something along the lines of "Kenny G. Concert in Hayden Auditorium, FREE!" and in smaller print underneath, it said "Standing in for Kenny G will be Jimmy H." So when Nicole mentioned ID4, and the irony, my mind immediately jumped to "Tonight! ID4, starring Will Smith! ... standing in for Will Smith will be Murray Foster." Hee hee. > Finally, Father O uses "id4" as the hypertext anchor for Independence > Day on the lyrics page, and if you can't trust HIM, who CAN you trust, > huh? :) That's right, Nicole. When in doubt, quote Chris O'Malley, the tattooed one. Our beacon in a strange world of ambiguity. :) ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 01:18:04 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Thornhill reflections revisited... QL queried: >So who's going to be wating on line early with me???????????? Meeeee! (Which means, by default, ladywench as well. :) ) - -- Lori ******************* she hears the lines behind the lines ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 01:32:53 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Hey! Not the Beatles! After playing Half As Much (one of the most Beatlesque tunes on Thornhill, imo) this afternoon, Shawn Stewart, WXPN's music director and substitute dj, mentioned its striking stylistic similarity to ... the Byrds. Of course, she had Byrds on the brain as this evening she was a panelist on First Impression, during which the Byrds were featured. Otoh, Michaela, while hosting First Impression, found BNL's Get In Line comparable to Früvous (in a good way -- she liked the song, as did I). I thought her role--reversal of the two bands a bit interesting, though. :) - -- Lori ********************** She knows that the glove on the hand in her lap conceals a wedding ring ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:59:52 GMT From: "The Marvelous Myla Fantastik" Subject: Dreaming about Frvous... is that wrong? Well, i think i've finally figured out how to use this newsgroup thing. So, I'm an avid frühead like yourselves. But I hardly think I'm as devoted as some of you (for example, the ones who make every show and who have every shirt and have every bit o' merchandise available). But, I've been having dreams about the lads lately. No, not *that* kind of dreams, just simple, sometimes amusing, innocent dreams. They're kinda interesting, so I decided to share them with you. Dream #1: I'm at my school dance and Moxy Früvous is playing! Whee! They played Lee and King of Spain, but then they quit playing and let this crappy DJ take over :P. So they started socializing with people and I showed them around like it was no big deal. Then they continued socializing. Me and Murray and Dave went over to the punch and spiked it, then giggled and ran away :D and then Mike pantsed this guy who's very popular at our school and ran away while Jian started a conga line and ran straight through the gym doors into the pool and into the water! me and the lads were in detention together!! :D Dream #2: me and some friends were swimming in a local creek (Ellicott creek, clean for a change if you're from around williamsville) and then I saw Murray and Jian at a camp fire on a gravel island in the middle of the stream. I swam up to a fallen tree and jumped out of the water, grabbed it and pulled myself up then climbed to the end, and Dave was sitting there, spitting cherry pits at Murray and Jian, and Mike was wrestling a fish on the other side of the fire. It was an odd, odd scene. Dave said "oh, glad you could make it" and then we swung down on a vine (note: there are no vines around ellicott creek:) and sat by the fire to dry off and then all my friends from before found me and said "hey, we shouldn't talk to strangers" and to that i replied "they're not strangers, this is my uncle dave (i do have an uncle dave) and our teacher Murray and my neighbor Mike and this is jian. we went to the same pre-school" and then they all looked up from whatever they were doing and gave a single wave, in unison, to my friends. I woke up laughing... Dream #3: I was in a jail and the lads dropped in through the sky lights on black nylon ropes, wearing spy attire and carrying a novelty sized red comb. I don't remember much more from that dream... so, what do you think? obsession? or is it just because I fall asleep every night by listening to their music? - -Myla Fantastik AKA: Madeline Franklin (happily coincidentally the same initials as the band AND their bass player :) "Hell for me? Well, that would have to be an N'sync concert. Or Ricky Martin... hard to say... what? No. I'd gladly take the little red guys poking me with pitchforks." - -me, actual conversation _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 02:04:29 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) Amanda K. Potter proposed: >I suppose if I wanted to go for degeneracy I could always switch to "mandi", >right Lori?) AAAACK! umm, please don't. Degeneracy might suit you, but I don't think "Mandi" does. :) - -- Lori ****************** I mean ... if you're going to be degenerate, you might as well be a lady about it, don't you think? ~~ Armistead Maupin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:08:16 GMT From: "Dante Bucci" Subject: Using Newsgroups now!! Hey!! After downloading close to 800 emails today I thought it was time to stop being lazy and just lookup my IPS's news server and setting myself up to recieve the posts *normally* instead of subscribing to the email list. It's much easier, I might say... so, please post away! I'm sure with the increased convenience of viewing posts in this normal fashion will encourage me to become more active in the Moxy Früvous news group! Catch me on the Wall during the day or on IRC at night. See ya at the Keswick!! - -Dante ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 02:45:55 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Using Newsgroups now!! Dante Bucci said: >Hey!! After downloading close to 800 emails today I thought it was time to >stop being lazy and just lookup my IPS's news server and setting myself up >to recieve the posts *normally* instead of subscribing to the email list. >It's much easier, I might say... so, please post away! No! Can't you tell we HATE posting around here, and avoid it whenever possible? I know I'm not the only one. Geeez. Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~~^~ ^~^~^ ~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~ ^~^ ^~^~^~ ^~^~ ^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly-updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:02:53 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Bridget wrote: > > --- Lori at fruhead dot com > wrote: > > ellen said: > > > > >only if they sell tofu pups. ;) > > > > seriously, are they any good? I was eyeing > > them in the grocery store the other > > night, wondering if non-meat hot dogs were an > > oxymoron ... > > some brands are not bad. however, my fellow > vegetarian friend jo's family has dubbed them > 'eraser dogs'... > You know, I've found that the tofu pups are the worst ones out there. The Smart dogs are good, but the ones that come closest to the hot dog experience are the Morning Star farm dogs which are in the freezer section. They're lovely! Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:22:31 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: Frvous Spirit Kate Leahy wrote: > > >Hmmmm...Is this a new way of saying "him/herself"??? (Sorry, I couldn't > >resist!) > > Whether it's new or not, I don't know . . . but it was introduced to me by > my favorite high school english teacher :). > People call me constantly on it's correctness/appropriateness/etc., but I > still like it :). > ~~Kate > This is just a silly me too message, but I have to say that I really like it also. It was introduced to me by a transgendered friend who prefered it as a way to refer to hirself. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:21:32 -0400 From: truztno1 Subject: Re: splitting jersey up Jacey7 wrote: > Trace, who forcing me down to her level, said: > > >>I would say that you can claim North Jersey...we South Jerseyans don't want > it. Unless Lori wants it...I mean there's Hoboken, but Elizabeth and Christie > Whitman come with it. :-)<< > > We'll quite happily stick with the NYers, thank you kindly. At least they know > that "towel" has 2 syllables. ok, i'm comin' in late on this, but i've been busy catching up on NG posts, so sue me (well, not really, but that's besides the point).... i've got dibs on central jersey! <> ~truztno1 _________________ Say what you mean... Mean what you say Don't let words get in your way **SoVoSo~Say** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:59:28 GMT From: "Dante Bucci" Subject: Re: splitting jersey up Well I'm from PA and I'm bigger so I win all of Jersey! "He lectured me in language strange, and scampered quickly out of range" - --Phish > >ok, i'm comin' in late on this, but i've been busy catching up on NG posts, so sue >me (well, not really, but that's besides the point).... i've got dibs on central >jersey! <> > >~truztno1 >_________________ >Say what you mean... Mean what you say >Don't let words get in your way >**SoVoSo~Say** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:40:44 -0700 From: " Arbie" Subject: Re: misplaced story Ellen said some highly reasoned and intelligent stuff and then said: >peace, >ellen (ramble ramble...) >****************************************** >Once there was a time to get back home... Actually, that's "once there was a *way* to get back home...." "and in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make" Peace (back at'cha) :-) - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc "Reply to" address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. afru@nospamdirect.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:55:39 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) - --- Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Is it jealousy, judgmentalism, or what? > Whatever it is, I say -- lighten up. > I *enjoy* these people and this way of spending > time, as I said in some other > post. And Chad said pretty much the same thing > in his explanation. So if this > is how some Früheads choose to use their spare > time, if this is how they > socialize and/or vacation instead of hanging > out in bars or watching tv or > throwing backyard barbecues -- so what? Who's > being hurt by it? > > It's bad enough the rest of the world thinks > we're raving lunatics for being so > much into a band they've never heard of. We > don't have to play these games, or > judge each other's choices, too. i think i want to forward this post to my mom... (o; === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #752 ********************************************