From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #742 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 742 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: where do YOU buy cds? [Jamal Rogers ] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) [Groovy Spice ] Re: Got It! [Fiona ] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [timiny ] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) [timiny ] Re: misplaced story ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: That Darned MPG Percussion (was Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions) [he] 21 and over shows [pookytoby@aol.com (Pooky Toby)] Which record is Dave holding? [Frances Meale ] rare live songs [CheesemonkeyGem ] Re: SSSP Review [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] RE:DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT ["andi andrzejewski" ] re: OT: strange people (was NYE & NYD) ["Snow In Summer" ] Re: a new fruvous radio station??? ["ellen p. buckley" ] My Impressions on Thornhill ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) ["ellen p. buckley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:19:15 GMT From: Jamal Rogers Subject: Re: where do YOU buy cds? On 23 Aug, DALevy was all, like: >I got weird looks from clerks at a Sam Goody store in a neighborhood that >sells mostly rap tunes. Couldn't find it at a Sam Goody in San Diego either. Hmm. I bought Thornhill from a Sam Goody in New Jersey the day it came out. Not only that, but It was in the New CDs section, and it was on sale for 12.99! I'm thinking someone in that store is a fan. - --Jamal This message brought to you by Fosters, Canadian for bass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:50:35 GMT From: Groovy Spice Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) In article <37C20C88.1C49D938@apk.net>, Donna Hunt wrote: > Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > You know, I felt this way at first -- too much info derails the intro > > -- but then I figured, if Jian felt comfortable with this audience > > knowing that much, and/or considered it important in launching the > > song to explain that part, who am I or anyone else to say he > > shouldn't do that? hmm both of you guys kind of misunderstood what i was saying. i don't wish to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. i am only expressing my reaction to a story. it will be a long time before i can listen to "misplaced" without remembering that story. it has changed the song for me, a little. i don't know yet if that's good or bad. for now it makes me a little sad. > I'm really surprised to hear sentiments like "Damn, I don't want to > know anything personal about these guys!" floating around *here*! > Amazing. It's got to be one of the signs of the apocalypse. :) or just a sign that not everyone here feels the need to consider themselves friend/confidant of the band without actually earning it. i'll probably get flames aplenty for this, but IMO, there are people here who take the Friend of the Band thing a little too seriously. something tells me that they have lots of "friends back in ontario" who they actually talk to and *seek out* to hang with when they're home. when they're on the road... we, fans/fruheads/whatever, are by and large the Nice Folks Who Come to See Us and Say Nice Things About Us and perhaps even Hang With Us After the Show. but the attitude i sometimes see presumes a whole lot more, and i just don't get it. peace, ellen (just trying to respect personal space in the hopes that others will respect mine) *************************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:26:57 -0400 From: Fiona Subject: Re: Got It! Winnie da Fru aka Sara wrote: > And I'm staring greedily at my Thornhill CD. Sadly, I can't listen to > it from work, but I can stare at the pictures...and they are nice > pictures!!!! *g* Want *really* frustrating? Try having your discman in your bag, but not being allowed to play it. Then, as I was walking out of the office, the batteries I had only recharged last night died before I was 20s into Hate Letter. Fortunately, I had a spare pair and all is now very good as I sit at home and listen to "Thornhill" for the 2nd time. Review upcoming. See you all at Harbourfront :) Fiona PS I *know* it's a street somewhere in Thornhill but that group picture on the inside could have been taken anywhere near my high school. Little too close for comfort. Good picture, but still... *shiver* Fiona - -- "Even if you don't like it a song, you can't devalue it - it came from somewhere, y'know?" - Kate Leahy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:02:26 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions >>My Poor Generation >>This is another great song. Clever, sad, true. My first >>thought on hearing the album version: What's with the >>funky percussion? >> >What's with the funky percussion is this - and Fruvous >should know better - it's recorded badly. Now, the lads are >pretty savvy, so maybe this was intentional, I don't know. >But it really sounds like a crappy garage band, doesn't it? >Too bad, too, because I agree with you - very nice song >that doesn't need all of that, if any, percussion. > The first time I heard this, with that weird percussion instrument in the beginning I thought, 'Am I listening to Hospital Food off of the Eels' album, _Electro-Shock Blues_?' I absolutely love it, I think it sounds fantastic, perhaps it's because it reminds me of that wonderful song and album? It's rather eerie and strange to me, which kind of fits in with the mood of _My Poor Generation_, "airborn with nothin' to land on", a strange, alienated '90s perhaps? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:15:16 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) >>Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: >>You know, I felt this way at first -- too much info >>derails the intro -- but then I figured, if Jian felt >>comfortable with this audience knowing that much, and/or >>considered it important in launching the song to explain >>that part, who am I or anyone else to say he shouldn't do >>that? >> >hmm both of you guys kind of misunderstood what i was >saying. i don't wish to tell anyone what they should or >shouldn't do. i am only expressing my reaction to a story. >it will be a long time before i can listen to "misplaced" >without remembering that story. it has changed the song for >me, a little. i don't know yet if that's good or bad. for >now it makes me a little sad. >>I'm really surprised to hear sentiments like "Damn, I >>don't want to know anything personal about these guys!" >>floating around *here*! Amazing. It's got to be one of the >>signs of the apocalypse. :) >> >or just a sign that not everyone here feels the need to >consider themselves friend/confidant of the band without >actually earning it. i'll probably get flames aplenty for >this, but IMO, there are people here who take the Friend of >the Band thing a little too seriously. something tells me >that they have lots of "friends back in ontario" who they >actually talk to and *seek out* to hang with when they're >home. when they're on the road... we, >fans/fruheads/whatever, are by and large the Nice >Folks Who Come to See Us and Say Nice Things About Us and >perhaps even Hang With Us After the Show. but the attitude >i sometimes see presumes a whole lot more, and i just don't >get it. > I agree with you completely in regards to being their friends. Acquaintances? yes, people who go to see them and support their music and their careers? yes. But that's as far as I see it. But I do have a question for you in regards to how the song makes you feel. If you have feelings that are detached enough to merely recognize them as a good band and enjoy their music, why does the story seem to affect you in such a way? I can understand the idea of the song affecting you in such a way, but why connect Jian's story (whom you are not a friend of, but just a fan of) with your original feelings toward the song? Perhaps I'm just trying to better understand why your feelings have changed? - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:12:13 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: misplaced story i said: > well, it brings the reality of the song crashing in. and some people thought i meant that jian shouldn't tell stories. ok, look at it this way: (i'm a metaphor freak, and yes i did actually think of this while driving home from work. you would think that driving to and from work is the only time i ever have coherent thoughts.) say the words "car accident." ok, they're words, they register, and you know what they mean, but they don't mean a whole lot on their own. now drive past a car accident. it hits a little closer to home. you wince a little when you see the twisted metal, even more if you see an occupied stretcher. now imagine you see the story on the news a half hour later. the victims' names are given. you are told that joe bob was thrown from the car before it hit the tree and is in serious condition. billy ray was trapped in his seat and lost too much blood; he died on the way to the hospital. a memorial fund has been set up for billy ray's infant son. joe bob's wife appears on the screen and sobs; joe bob's recovery is going to be long and difficult. now "car accident" has a reality it didn't have before. i'm not sure if there's a point to this. i just wanted to explain why hearing that much detail about the story behind a song has a profound effect on how i hear the song. peace, ellen (ramble ramble...) ****************************************** Once there was a time to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 22:47:41 GMT From: hero93@aol.com (Hero93) Subject: Re: That Darned MPG Percussion (was Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions) >I don't mind it. It provides a different feel underneath the wandering around >of the mainline. In my head, the melody/harmony/drum kit are on a slow >four. The funky percussion loop is on a double time of that, making me think >the entire song is on that double time really. That under-percussion makes >the song drive, even though the melody is loose. The under-percussion is >solid and keeps things moving. Normally the bass/drum kit does that, but >they are both being smooth and melodic trying to fit with the melody. Okay. My fault. I didn't make myself clear. I was using "funky" to mean "slightly wrong", not "eclectic or out of the norm," and "percussion" to just means the drums. My mistake. I really like the weird, funky percussion - the sort of off-the-main-beat thingie that starts the piece *a lot*. It's when the actual drums come in that I think the recording engineer really botched the job. Especially from about 1:58 to 2:07. Could this be someone other than Jian drumming? Could they really have meant to keep those cymbals that hot? It's really quite poor (hey... maybe the engineer was grounded with nothing to stand on :-) ). Hmmm... this is perhaps a crazy notion, but I also think "lost in Union Station" is a fairly weak lyric considering there are quite a few rhymes for "generation"... maybe the song is supposed to sound like it *comes from* my poor generation..? Okay, perhaps a stretch. One again, just trying to give the benefit of the doubt to my favorite band. Also: >Wood having been only the second "official" release, the first one >being *much* more diverse and generally "fun" (though I'm not sure I >agree that Wood is somehow less "fun"), it must've been quite a shock >to people, so a month or even several seems like a good amount of time >to give oneself to adjust to a very different vision of the band. This is a really good point that I hadn't thought of. Thanks, V. - -Dave ------------------------------ Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:03:30 GMT From: pookytoby@aol.com (Pooky Toby) Subject: 21 and over shows I recall that a while ago there was a post about how someone under 21 could get in to a 21 and over show if they were with a parent...is this true? Does anyone know? I'm 17, and I want desperately to go to the NYE show at the Tralf, but it's 21 and over. ~Erin~ "Not knowing knowledge never ennobles" -Fell in Love ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:50:54 -0400 From: Frances Meale Subject: Which record is Dave holding? Hi. I wanted to ask members of the band this question when they were in MA last, but was too tongue-tied/shy. So here goes: Which album is Dave holding in that picture at the back of the liner notes (the one with Jian and Murray standing, Mike sitting and Dave squatting). The purple label makes me think it's a Capitol Records album, but then again, I haven't seen vinyl since the early eighties. Just curious...discuss amongst yourselves. - -Frances :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:00:12 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: rare live songs A.J. wrote: >Other than those, Morphee, and Hate Letter I've >actually seen them play all of their published works >at least once. I >guess patience >pays off. Now guys, how about Bed and Breakfast? andi wrote: >but A.J.,I remember seeing Morphee eons ago during the >"Bargainville" >tour. ahh yes, the Bargainville tour... back then they played every song on bville, including the (now) very rare treat GWS. if i had known back then that i would probably never hear some of these tunes live again, i would have made myself remember every sound, every moment, every memory of the experience of my first show. i do, however, vividly remember the amazing experience of hearing GWS live... i dont think i could ever forget that! -jen the reminiscing cheesemonkey === __________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:35:50 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: SSSP Review In article <19990823070654.05310.00003197@ng-fe1.aol.com>, fruwench@aol.com says... > You sure that isn't Fordy-fides? Juicified and electrified. k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:06:51 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: RE:DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT Thank You Fionna !!!!!!! Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:48:23 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Meet & Greet In article <19990823184652.2922.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com>, frulove@yahoo.com says... > --- Lindsay Lion wrote: > > So I was > > thinking that maybe we should > > all get together. Maybe for dinner or some > > other activity where we could > > all get to know one another. > just my $0.02... we did this in denver and had a > blast. of course there're only about a dozen > fruheads in denver, but we're a _fun_ dozen! i > think the gang (dubbed denver frucrew) still gets > together from time to time... (bridget hasn't > seen anyone since the june concert in boulder... > eek!). You know, I always imagine *everyone* on this newsgroup who is not in Colorado hanging out together all the time, going to see shows that we can't, being best buds with one another, getting together to listen to the band on those radio stations we don't get. The Denver (and don't forget Boulder and Fort Collins) FrüCrew has had a blast - it's been too long since our last official meeting, and I'm looking forward to the next one this Friday at the Market. Anyone in the vicinity (just in case some of you aren't on our mailing list yet) is welcome to show up! Yeah, yeah, even that one, I guess. k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:49:52 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: Re: People poll (was: SSSP Review BBWMinors querried: I know we've had little straw-polls and surveys online before so I was >> wondering ... who wants to up and declare themselves as specific >> "whoever-people" just for sheer fun here? ok -i'll bite - but i won't play by the rules i'm a Mike's person because he is one of the few people who can get me to smile and relax -even when i don;'t want . he's fascinating to talk to and never ceases to amaze me not only with the range of subjects he can talk about but his general personality is just one of warmth and stregnth. for me he makes the world a happier place. but then I'm a Dave's person 'cuz he's so gentle and sweet and always makes you feel like he's really listening to you when you talk to him. his intellect is so very attractive, and he gives such wonderful hugs . he's one of the only man i know that i'm always open to seeing (_I am definately a people person!_) and talking with and I'm a Jian's person because he always make me think - even if the opinions he expresses are not one's i agree with he makes me re-examine my beliefs about myself and most topics i hold dear. i would love to be able to sit for awhile and talk to him about just _almost_ anything.Jian is also one of the few people whose recommendations for books always send me to the book store. and I'm a Murray's person because he'w always been sweet to me - and it's taken me sometime to get to know him because for many years i was afraid of him (and yes he does know this) and i am grateful thank he doesn't hold it against me and then I'm a Tobey's person 'cuz he always has a kind word and a hug at the ready and his sense of humour is killer,and he still remembers reading "Wrinkle In Time" and enjoying it enough to be excited when I gave him a copy for his bithday. and I'm a Cal's person because he has that great smile and is so wiling to share his knowlege with the fans and he understands my Sid Vicious allusions and I'm a Jude person because she always so willing to answer questions wheather over the phone by email or in person and her warmth and kindness have made many a fruhead life much easier I guess you could say i'm everybodies person :) andi Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:07:55 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT Fiona wrote: > > Since no one asked me for directions last time, and a considerable > number of Americans got LOST... Well, you know what happens to us Americans when you put us in a city where east means east, west means west, etc... :) > here are my various directions for getting to Harbourfront, and > navigating the large area that IS Harbourfront, in order to > find Molson Place. great, thanks. :) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:22:12 GMT From: "Snow In Summer" Subject: re: OT: strange people (was NYE & NYD) CK proclaimed: Obviously, you've never been to the bus station in Buffalo - at any time of the day or year. ;) i have to agree w/ Chrissy on this one. i've spent my time in the Bflo Bus Station, and i've heard the stories upon picking Jeff up from there. just remember: never make eye contact & don't touch anything (ew). - -Amy, missing Jeff muchly after 4 months :-( Banky: I don't know. Get a pizza. Watch Degrassi Junior High. Holden: You got a weird thing for Canadian melodrama. Banky: I've got a weird thing for girls who say "aboot." --Chasing Amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:26:16 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: An OT FAQ comment Chad Maloney wrote: > Trace wrote: > > A > > possible alternative though, could be for Chad to post the FAQ URL > > once a month, along with an order for everyone who has not already > > done so to RTF :-) > > I asked this exact question on the newsgroup yesterday and got > no responses. I'll consider this one response in favor of posting > the URL once a month *grin* And this is a post in favour of posting the whole thing once a month. Three reasons: - not everyone has a web browser/web access - it should be automagically picked up by rtfm.mit.edu. :) - usenet tradition chad - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:06:06 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: a new fruvous radio station??? Kristin wrote: > even though I don't live in the DC area, or even in that region of the > country. i felt that it was my duty as a fruvous fan to call them. wow. *applause* now that's dedication. ;) peace, ellen ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:42:58 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: OT: DC area navigation timiny wrote: > This is not entirely true. State road 295 is the B-W > Parkway, Actually, no it isn't. :) The B/W Parkway runs from where 50, NY Ave, and DC295/Kenilworth Ave come together in Northeast north to about MD175 north of Fort Meade. From there to Baltimore it is MD295. (This is important if you get a ticket on that blasted road. South of 175 and it's a federal matter, and you'll be in court at the federal courthouse in Upper Marlboro. To the north, it's only a state thing that is far easier to deal with at the state court in Glen Burnie or downtown Baltimore.) < BUT, Interstate 295 is Indian Head Highway, I believe (southeast > out of DC towards Charles County). Well, DC295/Kenilworth Ave turns into I295 somewhere around Pennsylvania Ave and continues as an Interstate to the Beltway. At the Beltway, just before the Wilson Bridge, it ends. Indian Head Hwy is MD210, that runs from DC to the Navy base at Indian Head. (DC295 and I295 is part of the SE-SW, NE-SE, NE-NW, and NW-SW freeway thing that was never built. Well, except for the SE-SW freeway and part of the NE-SE one.) > It is true, though, that the 295 she was thinking of is the > B-W Parkway. > Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think you were right. You hit enough of the 295s, you'll get to the parkway. ;) This history and navigation lesson brought to you by a lack of sleep. For when you don't have the good graces to snooze. Recommended by... well, not recommended by anyone actually. - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:58:08 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: My Impressions on Thornhill Okay, after a WONDERFUL trip to the dentist (Perfect Exam!) I had to sit in the truck for another hour to get to Grande Prarie (The local store I had mentioned was bought out by a oil company and there are no more tensions between me and the former store owner as I had mentioned before in "Compliment or Insult"). All right, after getting to Coles and buying the books I wanted, I made a beeline for the ONLY store in the mall that carries music. First I checked the New Relases but no Thornhill (but they had Ricky Martin and Big Shiny Tunes 3?!?) So I went to the back of the store for the M's in rock and there it was, right infront of LN. So I put down my $25.67 and then had to wait until I got home eight hours later to listen to it. (I could have listened to it in the truck but I made a deal with my brother that if I got Thornhill he could listen to his music all the time, but if I didn't I got to listen to the CBC!) Then I put the CD in after I dug it out of my Coles bag, and well was a little surprised with what I heard. It was unexpected which was what I expected from Fruvous but not exactly what I had in mind. I wasn't vehemently replused by Thornhill, yet I did not find it to be within my VERY narrow spectrum of excellent musical compostitions. I was taken aback by the sound of Half as Much and double checked to make sure that I did buy a Fruvous CD. I wasn't worried too much by my reaction because I was almost disgusted with wood when I first heard it. However I grew to really really enjoy it after a few listenings. I found it [Thornhill] a little too mainstream for my taste, but I did like most of the songs. I didn't particularly care for Half as Much, When She Talks, and If Only You Knew (To a certain extent, for the lyrics. Unlike the others I like the music of it) . I did like the little snippets of conversations about the music at the bookends of the songs. I'm listening to it for the second time right now and hearing Downsizing completely for the first time. I don't really mind it that much. I really really like Earthquakes and Splatter Splatter, as well as My Poor Generation. I miss the sounds of the accordion and banjo as well as the strong voice a cappela backup that IS the essential Fruvous in my opinion. Not meaning to while I also would have kind of liked a bit more of the electric guitar. The sound of Hate Letter, however, is really having a good effect on me but I can hear no plausible reason why in the song! No doubts about it, Bville is still my favorite album and sorry to say it, but Thornhill is at the bottom of my list of Fruvous albums. Don't get me wrong, it is a really well put together album and everything about it is outstanding in the preformance sense. It's just not my idea of a good listen when I want something that makes me want to sing along. I guess my vision was interpertated wrong (not the first time). I guess all the crowds represented the sound of the album, very modern and mainstream. I think that I will like the C album a lot more when it comes out. Thornhill is a little too mushy and lovelike for me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:54:57 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: a new fruvous radio station??? > ellen wrote: > > >this must be rectified. show that smartass that i'm right. > >410-269-1031. well, ellen, I called this morning on my way into work. the non-smartass host was cool and said that he had gotten a 'bunch of calls' about thornhill. Through the miracle of RealAudio, I listened to them some throughout the day, but never heard a MF song. :\ - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:36:44 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) timiny wrote: > If you have feelings that are detached > enough to merely recognize them as a good band and enjoy > their music, why does the story seem to affect you in such a > way? I can understand the idea of the song affecting you in > such a way, but why connect Jian's story (whom you are not a > friend of, but just a fan of) with your original feelings > toward the song? hmm... the best thing i can do to explain is say, go find my second post, about the car accident. ;) once the story has names or faces and details that go along with it, it becomes more personal. it no longer allows you any detatchment. see what i mean? i absolutely don't mean to say, "i want nothing to do with any of the band." they seem like perfectly nice guys and i'm sure i would like them a whole lot if i did know them on a friend-type level. but i'm not at that level, so it does feel a little odd to have bits and scraps of personal info thrown at me (and 250 other people). peace, ellen (perhaps i should just drop the subject, as i'm beginning to get that you're-all-looking-at-me-as-if-i-had-two-heads feeling) ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #742 ********************************************