From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #740 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 740 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff [Tom Salyers ] Re: NYE and NYD [cookie ] Re: OT: chad alleges Trace gets lost easily [timiny ] Re: OT: DC area navigation [timiny ] Re: OT: Easy to Follow Guide to Living Through the Exact Same Week MC and Kath are Having Right Now in Toronto -- PART I [] Re: cd purchases [Josh Drury ] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions (kickstarting everyone else's) [srm9988n] That Darned MPG Percussion (was Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions) [Chad M] Re: NYE and NYD [Kate Leahy ] Welcome Terry! (was: Re: (Directions to columbia lakefront) OT but musical at least [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fr] Re: That Darned MPG Percussion (was Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions) [sr] Misplaced meaning to me (was Re: Ramshead and stuff) [Chad Maloney ] Got It! ["Winnie da Fru aka Sara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:20:55 GMT From: Tom Salyers Subject: Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff Geenius at Wrok wrote: > As a happily married guy who's been living unhappily apart from his > beloved since the end of May because of a botched relocation, I say that > -nobody- should go through that unless they absolutely have to. Seconded. Even though I've only been living in Boston for a couple of months(1) and they've been flying Katrin out every couple of weeks, it's been pretty rough. I don't think I'll be taking any more long-term assignments away from home any time soon. On the up side, this time next week I'll be at Logan International boarding my flight back to Denver. Woo hoo! =) (1) Doing software development as a contractor, in case you were wondering. - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:31:02 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Re: Canadian Release... >Again, I love it when I'm right! :) Tommorrow at 8:30 is when the Mix99.9 >Beachfest artists are announced. Hmm... I wonder who the next artist to be >announced is going to be?... :) Yes, but what time will they be starting at? I need to know if I have to set my alarm for earlier (in the past, they've been there for most/all of the morning show). >And the Mix is already playing the single (or so I'm told!) I listen to >the Mix at my desk all day, and I've yet to hear it, but my aunt has heard >it a bunch of times. I've been listening intently all weekend, and have yet to hear it. And I can't figure out how to make requests with them (8700-MIX is their contest line, and I've figured out that they turn it to a busy signal when there's not a contest going on). >:) Veronica (goin' to HMV at lunch time, but *forgot* my portable CD >player! ARGH! Cruel fate! No CD ROM on my machine! ERK!) I have a CD-ROM, but no headphones...except for the ones that plug into this damn phone that I'm wired to for 7 hours a day (the torture of being a telephone operator...it ruins my hair too!). Sara - trying to figure out if I can listen to my walkman with one ear tomorrow morning and my headset with the other ear. I don't think they'll like that much at work! :( ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:29:13 GMT From: hero93@aol.com (Hero93) Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions >Having said that I will admit that neither wood nor Thornhill are my favorite fruvous >albums. Frankly Bargainville is STILL my favorite fruvous album. Couldn't agree more. >Sad Girl >Wow does this sound like a Beatles song now or what? I'm always intrigued by people who say this as sort of a slam (though I realize that's not what you're doing here). I am by no means a Beatlemaniac - hell, the only album of theirs I own is Abbey Road - but there are far worse bands you could be influenced by and/or sound like. In fact, I wish more groups aspired to be as good as The Fab Four, especially in their writing. I think Sad Girl is definitely Fruvous by way of the Beatles in all the right ways. Like this song a lot. >Earthquakes!!! >I totally fell in love with this song in Windsor. The banjo version that is. Never heard the banjo version. Would like to. Regardless, this is my favorite song on the album (makes sense, remember I love Bargainville). At first I was thrown by that extra bar of two (or big bar of six), but now I really like it. Plus I kinda dig all that "background" chatter. And, damn, the vocal just rocks: very loose, awesome low notes, never trying too hard. Love it. >When She Talks >I understand Michaela called this song Beach Boysesque. As a teenage Beach Boys >fanatic I can confirm this. It sounds to me a lot like the later Beach Boys Actually, this song sounds very Fountains of Wayne to me - and quite frankly, FoW does it better. >Splatter Splatter >Ok, this is the REAL song that I think should be the single. Agreed. The song rocks. >My Poor Generation >This is another great song. Clever, sad, true. My first thought on hearing the album >version: What's with the funky percussion? What's with the funky percussion is this - and Fruvous should know better - it's recorded badly. Now, the lads are pretty savvy, so maybe this was intentional, I don't know. But it really sounds like a crappy garage band, doesn't it? Too bad, too, because I agree with you - very nice song that doesn't need all of that, if any, percussion. I have to say my initial thoughts were pretty disappointing ones, but, like many have said here, it has grown a bit on me. But part of that I think is fandom. Moxy Fruvous is this really great band, so I *want* to like it regardless. In fact, the fifth time through the CD I realized that I was giving them a lot of benefit-of-the-doubt's. Sigh. I really, really like these guys, but this just isn't *that* album, you know? - -Dave p.s. Someome said it took them, like, a month to finally come around to Wood... Um... Should it really take a month? I'm against knee-jerk first impressions (especially negative ones) as much as the next person, but a month? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:01:11 -0700 From: "Jacey7@aol.com" Subject: Re: Meet & Greet Well, since I was in on the scribble session, I think its a great idea. Now granted, I'm not technically in the Philly area, but if you get a group together on a saturday where I can drive down, I'm in ;-) ~jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:54:55 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: NYE and NYD CheesemonkeyGem wrote: > > cookie humoured us with: > > >But, isn't the world going to end at midnight? I've > >decided when the > >comet hits the earth (or however the end arrives,) > I'm >going to be > >hanging off a lamppost with a bottle of Moet in my > >hand while kissing > >the cutest guy (or two) in the immediate > >vicinity--whomever that may > >be! > > >Wheeeeeeeeee! > > hahahahaha that sounds like a plan to me! only instead > of Moet (whatever the hell that is) hit me with the > Captain [Morgan]instead! It's champagne. After all, it IS New Year's Eve! Besides, after a half a bottle of that, there should be a LOT of cute guys in the vicinity. ;-) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:30:32 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: OT: chad alleges Trace gets lost easily The worst is when you're not even trying to go into DC and you ending up right next to the Watergate Apartments and the Kennedy Center like I did yesterday. One moment I'm in Arlington, the next I'm on I St. taking 47.6 degree turns that DC loves to throw at you, trying to find I-66 to get out to Crystal City. On top of that I was late where I had to be and missed the person I was supposed to meet! Must drive through Alexandria next time. What a bugger! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:32:52 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: where do YOU buy cds? The Sound Garden in Baltimore has been seeling Früvous since Bargainville came out and they have had Wood and B for years now (on import at the time). They're usually very good for more obscure bands and definitely good for Früvous (although I bought my Bargainville at Record & Tape Traders in 1994). - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:35:25 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: OT: DC area navigation >ummmm... where to start. taking 695 into DC would require >bending some laws of physics, since 695 circles baltimore, >not DC. ;) and 295 *is* the b-w parkway, so i'm glad you >can find it from there. ;) > This is not entirely true. State road 295 is the B-W Parkway, BUT, Interstate 295 is Indian Head Highway, I believe (southeast out of DC towards Charles County). It is true, though, that the 295 she was thinking of is the B-W Parkway. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:05:40 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: OT: Easy to Follow Guide to Living Through the Exact Same Week MC and Kath are Having Right Now in Toronto -- PART I MC & hKath wrote: > 8. While speeding (160 km/h) on the 401, get a flat. A very *flat* flat. It doesn't matter what number you put in brackets, "speeding on the 401" is an oxymoron. > 13. Realize that you have to cross the 401. On foot. > 14. Realize that you DON'T want to cross the 401. On foot. > 15. Cross the 401. On foot. (Talk about jaywalking!) This is something I don't even want to see on Guinness Primetime. Even trained professionals know better. Next time, call for an airlift, or tunnel under. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:57:56 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: cd purchases Tim Deegan wrote: > cdnow.com perhaps? i've never used it, i'm lucky enough to have a wonderful > store Record Archive that carries all the fruvous cds. :) but um, maybe > borders... maybe amazon.com... Y'know, when Thornhill first came out in the States I was considering ordering it from Amazon.com to get it as early as possible... then I found out the CD would cost me more than in Canada with the exchange rate, plus in order to assure it would be delivered earlier than the Canadian release date would cost me almost 20 dollars, U.S.! So I decided it would be worth waiting. Just another seven and a half hour 'till I can get my hands on it... On the same topic, I woke up this morning after dreaming that I tried to find the CD at Walmart, but it was sold out. They told me they could order it in by Friday. Scary, I know. First time I ever dreamed about a CD release. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:57:33 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions hero93@aol.com (Hero93) said: >What's with the funky percussion is this - and Fruvous should know better - >it's recorded badly. Now, the lads are pretty savvy, so maybe this was >intentional, I don't know. But it really sounds like a crappy garage band, >doesn't it? Not to me - I thought it was intentional distortion. I like it, too. :) >p.s. Someome said it took them, like, a month to finally come around to Wood... >Um... Should it really take a month? I'm against knee-jerk first impressions >(especially negative ones) as much as the next person, but a month? Well, it depends on how often you play it. :) Seriously, though - Wood having been only the second "official" release, the first one being *much* more diverse and generally "fun" (though I'm not sure I agree that Wood is somehow less "fun"), it must've been quite a shock to people, so a month or even several seems like a good amount of time to give oneself to adjust to a very different vision of the band. - -v Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "Great, I'm a landmark now." -FatherO ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:29:17 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions (kickstarting everyone else's) Maria said: > I think something is needed here to >>do what >>Organ Grinder does on wood. > >Hmmm. I really dislike Organ Grinder on wood. Instead of "taking the piss" >away from wood, it seems to take away the message of it. Agreed. I don't mind Organ Grinder on its own, and i adore it live, but I *hate* it when it catches me unawares at the end of wood (like, say, I'm preoccupied and forget to pop the CD out after Sad Today). I can't listen through, be settled into that lovely introspectively mellowly quirky mood, and then make the transition that quickly. >decided that it was too serious, so they added Organ Grinder at the end. It >breaks the whole mood of the album. Granted, they set it off as a bonus >track, >but it's like being awakened from a dream by a bright light. I think Chad M. said it scared him. Me too! Like chalk on a chalkboard ... I think the >same >would have happened (to me) if they put a bonus track such as Pisco on >Thornhill. I don't think I could handle hearing Pisco after MPG. Ditto ... ditto ... ditto ... ditto! Or after Hate Letter, or after IWHO, or after Downsizing, or after ID (let me join the line on this one; not sure it's my favorite track, but it and MPG are certainly tied at least). That's why, after reading the track list, I wasn't unhappy that Pisco was excluded from this CD. I trust it *will* be on another one. :) - -- Lori ************** I mean ... if you're going to be degenerate, you might as well be a lady about it, don't you think? ~~ Armistead Maupin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:31:24 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: That Darned MPG Percussion (was Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions) Hero93 wrote: > AJ: > >My Poor Generation > >This is another great song. Clever, sad, true. My first thought on hearing > the album > >version: What's with the funky percussion? > > What's with the funky percussion is this - and Fruvous should know better - > it's recorded badly. Now, the lads are pretty savvy, so maybe this was > intentional, I don't know. But it really sounds like a crappy garage band, > doesn't it? Too bad, too, because I agree with you - very nice song that > doesn't need all of that, if any, percussion. Ok, my take on the percussion people seem to not like: I don't mind it. It provides a different feel underneath the wandering around of the mainline. In my head, the melody/harmony/drum kit are on a slow four. The funky percussion loop is on a double time of that, making me think the entire song is on that double time really. That under-percussion makes the song drive, even though the melody is loose. The under-percussion is solid and keeps things moving. Normally the bass/drum kit does that, but they are both being smooth and melodic trying to fit with the melody. It also puts a really nice stress on the downbeat and on two which is what makes me sway around when I hear it. The other parts of the song aren't as solid (probably because of the content of the song) and the pocket for the song is big. Listed to how good the freaky percussion sounds during the guitar solo. I don't think it's recorded badly or anything. When the song picks up and ramps up with the entire kit coming in, the freaky percussion drives one and three to keep the feel as ramping up. Maybe, if anything, it's a little high in the mix during the quiet parts. But when the song picks up the volume, it fits right in. It's not hidden, because I can still hear it fine. Hee hee. Thanks everyone for making listen to My Poor Generation on repeat for like the past half an hour. It's my favorite Fruvous song for a reason and I still love it each time it repeats *Grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:15:05 GMT From: Kate Leahy Subject: Re: NYE and NYD > It's champagne. After all, it IS New Year's Eve! > Besides, after a half a > bottle of that, there should be a LOT of cute guys > in the vicinity. ;-) *shaking my head* Champagne goggles are more dangerous than beer goggles :). At any rate, you better start buying that champagne now . . . word has it the world's gonna run out :). ~~Kate === Kate Leahy Student, Live Music Addict, Queen of Randomized Knowledge kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "Record labels often like good, clean, wholesome band members who thank Jesus in their liner notes. It also helps if you can dance." --Josh Drury __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:44:24 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Welcome Terry! (was: Re: (Directions to columbia lakefront) OT but musical at least Terry wrote: >Sorry- I just read my own post, and aside from not remembering >I posted it an hour ago, I have no idea what I was saying... Oooo, it's catching! :) > >Let me paraphrase, en anglais: Let me welcome you again, en francais ... >> -Terry (maryland fruhead, who managed to lurk for, oh, 15 minutes b4 >> piping up) That's okay, irrepressible is A Good Thing(tm). Or at least I think so. :) Anyway, now that you've found this lovely hallucinatory pocket of the web, make sure you check out http://www.fruvous.com for all your fru-info, and the lovely new amm-f FAQ listed below, which our dear Tall Chad has just spent untold hours revamping into a more updated if less wieldy form. Then kick back, enjoy, and post early and often! :) - -- Lori Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~ ~^~ ^~^~^~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 16:00:24 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: That Darned MPG Percussion (was Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions) Chad said: >Ok, my take on the percussion people seem to not like: > >I don't mind it. It provides a different feel underneath the wandering around >of the mainline. In my head, the melody/harmony/drum kit are on a slow >four. The funky percussion loop is on a double time of that, making me think >the entire song is on that double time really. That under-percussion makes >the song drive, even though the melody is loose. The under-percussion is >solid and keeps things moving. Normally the bass/drum kit does that, but >they are both being smooth and melodic trying to fit with the melody. > >It also puts a really nice stress on the downbeat and on two which is >what makes me sway around when I hear it. The other parts of the song >aren't as solid (probably because of the content of the song) and the >pocket for the song is big. > >Listed to how good the freaky percussion sounds during the guitar solo. >I don't think it's recorded badly or anything. When the song picks up >and ramps up with the entire kit coming in, the freaky percussion drives >one and three to keep the feel as ramping up. Maybe, if anything, it's a >little high in the mix during the quiet parts. But when the song picks up >the volume, it fits right in. It's not hidden, because I can still hear >it fine. Okay, huge sign that I've been around here too long: I understood one of Chad's musical deconstructions. - -- Lori, no longer just a wannabe bass/low end person, I guess. Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~~^~ ^~^~^ ~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~ ^~^ ^~^~^~ ^~^~ ^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly-updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:13:58 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Misplaced meaning to me (was Re: Ramshead and stuff) Ok, since I love lyrical discussions, here's my (ever-present) input on Misplaced. This is one of the stronger songs on Wood to me. Warning that I like analyzing lyrics and reading into them. Your mileage may vary. "Your phone call from Montreal said I was back into you But as I listened to the words fall I treaded as the artist drew Me down on my knees with liquid eyes begging please Won't you stay for another course But if I was you, I'd agree with what you chose to do" To me, the most important thing about the first verse here is showing the detachment with himself the narrator feels. It wasn't one of the people on the phone that said he was back into her, it was the phone call. The true narrator himself just sat and listened as what he described as "me down on my knees..." happened. I get the feeling that the narrator is actually saying all this, but doesn't feel it is truly him that is saying it, hence the detachment. "And I tried and tried and tried that night I cried and cried so that we would fight And distance was the accomplice that saw me lose The most that I ever knew, Everything, if not the sun In the space that could handle two You were gone." And because of irrational feelings and detaching his true person from reality, the narrator lost the best thing he's ever had. "You gave me your heart and habits Proverbially at my side And though maybe I took advantage You know I never really lied I was out in the field collecting strength for my shield And I misplaced what made me real" His partner showed herself completely in the relationship, but the narrator didn't do the same. Maybe that's taking advantage of her openness. The narrator doesn't feel he lied to her, he just thought too much on his own about it and built up unnatural defenses that he feels weren't true to himself and a side effect of these defenses was a change in behavior that cheats his true self, hiding. His true self was misplaced, and replaced by an artificially created shield-self that wouldn't be harmed as easily. "I can't ask you to wait around But you know, you can't deny That I tried and tried and tried that night I cried and cried so that we would fight And distance was the accomplice that saw me lose The most that I ever knew Everything, if not the sun In the space that could handle two You were gone." The two line leadin to the chorus makes the song sound like a confession and kinda plea to his partner that even though he wasn't completely open, it wasn't truly him that was doing it. He knows that because of it, he lost everything he had. He is now alone with the shield that he worked so hard utterly useless, nothing to defend against. And there ya go. That's what the lyrics to Misplaced say to me, and darned good lyrics they are at that. Note that I couldn't do the above with When She Talks. Maybe that's why that song doesn't appeal to me as much *grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:55:30 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT: DC area navigation Matt said ellen said: >>ummmm... where to start. taking 695 into DC would require >>bending some laws of physics, since 695 circles baltimore, >>not DC. ;) and 295 *is* the b-w parkway, so i'm glad you >>can find it from there. ;) and then Matt quibbled: This is not entirely true. State road 295 is the B-W >Parkway, BUT, Interstate 295 is Indian Head Highway, I >believe (southeast out of DC towards Charles County). >It is true, though, that the 295 she was thinking of is the >B-W Parkway. >Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. See, Trace, it's NOT us. :P - -- Lori, Queen Of The Road Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~~^~ ^~^~^ ~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~ ^~^ ^~^~^~ ^~^~ ^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly-updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:58:02 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: OT: chad alleges Trace and Lori get lost easily Nope. I was talking about the one coming south out of DC, which then meets up with the B-W Pkwy (also 295) Thanks for confirming that I'm not *completely* nuts! :) :) Veronica (good grief, look what I've started!) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:09:15 GMT From: "A.T. Schrader" Subject: bye for now.... well, it's that time of year again...time to get back the ol grind and hit the books at school. seeing as this is my last year (ihopeihopeihopeihope....) i really should be consentrating on trying to get outta here on time. unfortunatly, that means i really won't be able to read the posts as much as i like so until an undisclosed date, i must bow out and say 'bye-bye' to y'all! it's been a great year and 1/2 here ^_^ thanks!! i'll see you folks around!! much love Amy ps: Oh yeah...and about the Lit Mag...i am still working on it....um...it isn't dead!!!!! if anything, it'll definatly be out by next FruCon, that's all i can say right now...... "Omlette du fromage!!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:20:13 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Got It! Just got back from lunch (in a record 6 minute trip from the Eaton Centre!). And I'm staring greedily at my Thornhill CD. Sadly, I can't listen to it from work, but I can stare at the pictures...and they are nice pictures!!!! Wanted to say that at HMV & Sam's on Yonge & Dundas, there are copies a plenty, and they are proudly on display on the new releases wall! Yeah! :) But I was sad this morning when I checked the Toronto Star's new releases in the Entertainment section this morning and it wasn't mentioned. At least HMV & Sam's know to give them the attention they deserve. Sara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #740 ********************************************